Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 7
Developing Open Space further: Yes. Spirited Work an Open Space learning community of practice at the Whidbey Institute for almost 7 full years. I wrote a short piece about it. Contact me if you want a link (I have to find it again.) Sent from my iPhone Anne M. Stadler 18464–47th Place NE Lake Forest Park, WA 98155 206-459-0227 Skype: Anne.M.Stadler A world that works for all is a world of love made visible. www.SourcingtheWay.com www.StoryBridge.space www.CharterforCompassion.org www.thrivingcommunities.org > On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:21 PM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to >oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention (R Chaffe) > 2. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (imagi...@bigpond.net.au) > 3. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC) > 4. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Harrison Owen) > 5. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Michael Herman) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:04:13 +1000 > From: R Chaffe > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space >further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention > Message-ID: <7cfc0ebd-608e-49f5-88ab-ae1ad83ed...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Harrison, yes. > > On the other hand a client almost demanded that I increase my fee by 30%. My > comment was we had a contract and I intended to keep to the agreed cost. The > underlying issue was that my event had been so successful that it made other > similar events look very expensive. Yet all that happened was that the > process gave voice to all present. > > > Rob > >> On 13 Aug 2018, at 12:41 am, Harrison Owen via OSList >> wrote: >> >> Rob ? you have identified one of the most curious aspects of dealing with >> clients and/or potential clients regarding Open Space. It?s too simple. >> Couldn?t possibly happen, and doesn?t cost enough. I had one (major) >> corporate client who told me to double my fee otherwise, he said, he >> couldn?t possibly get the contract through the front office. I did what he >> asked and always felt rather guilty about it all. But he was very happy, and >> of course the Open Space ?worked? as usual. For obvious reasons all names >> are withheld to protect the innocent and gullible J >> >> ho >> >> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of R >> Chaffe via OSList >> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:02 PM >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> Cc: R Chaffe >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further >> in organizations and networks after the initial intervention >> >> Harrison, the process is so comfortable ie sitting in circles, speaking when >> there is something to say, listening to others, keeping our minds open to >> insights and differences etc. Yes we do it all the time! Therein lies an >> issue for those looking for the ?silver? bullet from ?outside? as the >> promise we can make is for an opportunity to explore issues and >> opportunities associated with a particular question we have little control >> on what might come and we have faith in the community of concern will have >> the best ways of dealing with their concern. Sometimes it is a ?road to >> Damascus experience and most of the time it is an insight that needs to be >> explored. This raises another issue for those who think the one meeting >> will be all that is required and blindly race into the future thinking that >> change is something that others do. Opening the space is more a process >> than an event and seeing / believing in this is one of the main stays of >> Open Space along with the faith that withi > n the community of concern we have the power to implement insights and > directions
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 7
Developing Open Space further: Yes. Spirited Work: an Open Space learning community of practice at the Whidbey Institute for almost 7 full years. We lived Open Space, and learned about how it works, to work and organize together over time: face to face and virtually. I wrote a short piece about it. Contact me if you want a link (I have to find it again.) anne.m.s...@gmail.com Also Harold Shinsato interviewed several of us about it. So somewhere there’s a video interview. Sent from my iPhone Anne M. Stadler 18464–47th Place NE Lake Forest Park, WA 98155 206-459-0227 Skype: Anne.M.Stadler A world that works for all is a world of love made visible. www.SourcingtheWay.com www.StoryBridge.space www.CharterforCompassion.org www.thrivingcommunities.org > On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:21 PM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention (R Chaffe) > 2. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (imagi...@bigpond.net.au) > 3. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC) > 4. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Harrison Owen) > 5. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Michael Herman) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:04:13 +1000 > From: R Chaffe > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space > further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention > Message-ID: <7cfc0ebd-608e-49f5-88ab-ae1ad83ed...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Harrison, yes. > > On the other hand a client almost demanded that I increase my fee by 30%. My > comment was we had a contract and I intended to keep to the agreed cost. The > underlying issue was that my event had been so successful that it made other > similar events look very expensive. Yet all that happened was that the > process gave voice to all present. > > > Rob > >> On 13 Aug 2018, at 12:41 am, Harrison Owen via OSList >> wrote: >> >> Rob ? you have identified one of the most curious aspects of dealing with >> clients and/or potential clients regarding Open Space. It?s too simple. >> Couldn?t possibly happen, and doesn?t cost enough. I had one (major) >> corporate client who told me to double my fee otherwise, he said, he >> couldn?t possibly get the contract through the front office. I did what he >> asked and always felt rather guilty about it all. But he was very happy, and >> of course the Open Space ?worked? as usual. For obvious reasons all names >> are withheld to protect the innocent and gullible J >> >> ho >> >> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of R >> Chaffe via OSList >> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:02 PM >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> Cc: R Chaffe >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further >> in organizations and networks after the initial intervention >> >> Harrison, the process is so comfortable ie sitting in circles, speaking when >> there is something to say, listening to others, keeping our minds open to >> insights and differences etc. Yes we do it all the time! Therein lies an >> issue for those looking for the ?silver? bullet from ?outside? as the >> promise we can make is for an opportunity to explore issues and >> opportunities associated with a particular question we have little control >> on what might come and we have faith in the community of concern will have >> the best ways of dealing with their concern. Sometimes it is a ?road to >> Damascus experience and most of the time it is an insight that needs to be >> explored. This raises another issue for those who think the one meeting >> will be all that is required and blindly race into the future thinking that >> change is something that others do. Opening the space is m
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 7
Yes,’please send the link! 😊 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:03 PM, anne stadler via OSList > wrote: > > Developing Open Space further: > > Yes. Spirited Work an Open Space learning community of practice at the > Whidbey Institute for almost 7 full years. > > I wrote a short piece about it. Contact me if you want a link (I have to > find it again.) > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Anne M. Stadler > 18464–47th Place NE > Lake Forest Park, WA > 98155 > > 206-459-0227 > Skype: Anne.M.Stadler > > A world that works for all is a world of love made visible. > > www.SourcingtheWay.com > www.StoryBridge.space > www.CharterforCompassion.org > www.thrivingcommunities.org > >> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:21 PM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: >> >> Send OSList mailing list submissions to >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >> organizations and networks after the initial intervention (R Chaffe) >> 2. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >> organizations and networks after the initial intervention >> (imagi...@bigpond.net.au) >> 3. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >> organizations and networks after the initial intervention >> (Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC) >> 4. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >> organizations and networks after the initial intervention >> (Harrison Owen) >> 5. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >> organizations and networks after the initial intervention >> (Michael Herman) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:04:13 +1000 >> From: R Chaffe >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space >> further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention >> Message-ID: <7cfc0ebd-608e-49f5-88ab-ae1ad83ed...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Harrison, yes. >> >> On the other hand a client almost demanded that I increase my fee by 30%. >> My comment was we had a contract and I intended to keep to the agreed cost. >> The underlying issue was that my event had been so successful that it made >> other similar events look very expensive. Yet all that happened was that >> the process gave voice to all present. >> >> >> Rob >> >>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 12:41 am, Harrison Owen via OSList >>> wrote: >>> >>> Rob ? you have identified one of the most curious aspects of dealing with >>> clients and/or potential clients regarding Open Space. It?s too simple. >>> Couldn?t possibly happen, and doesn?t cost enough. I had one (major) >>> corporate client who told me to double my fee otherwise, he said, he >>> couldn?t possibly get the contract through the front office. I did what he >>> asked and always felt rather guilty about it all. But he was very happy, >>> and of course the Open Space ?worked? as usual. For obvious reasons all >>> names are withheld to protect the innocent and gullible J >>> >>> ho >>> >>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of R >>> Chaffe via OSList >>> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:02 PM >>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >>> Cc: R Chaffe >>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further >>> in organizations and networks after the initial intervention >>> >>> Harrison, the process is so comfortable ie sitting in circles, speaking >>> when there is something to say, listening to others, keeping our minds open >>> to insights and differences etc. Yes we do it all the time! Therein lies >>> an issue for those looking for the ?silver? bullet from ?outside? as the >>> promise we can make is for an opportunity to explore issues and >>> opportunities associated with a particular question we have little control >>> on what might come and we have faith in the community of concern will have >>> the best ways of dealing with their concern. Sometimes it is a ?road to >>> Damascus experience and most of the time it is an insight that needs to be >>> explored. This raises another issue for those who think the one meeting >>> will be all that is required and blindly race into the future thinking that >>> change is something that others do. Ope
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 7
This was such a precious way to be in community. Even though I was part of it only temporarily and touched only the rim I was deeply touched and influenced. Thank you Ann for this piece and I will be happy to have more written materials. I believe it is worth a book With love and appreciation Tova Averbuch Israel -Original Message- From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of anne stadler via OSList Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:08 AM To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Cc: anne stadler Subject: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 7 Developing Open Space further: Yes. Spirited Work: an Open Space learning community of practice at the Whidbey Institute for almost 7 full years. We lived Open Space, and learned about how it works, to work and organize together over time: face to face and virtually. I wrote a short piece about it. Contact me if you want a link (I have to find it again.) anne.m.s...@gmail.com Also Harold Shinsato interviewed several of us about it. So somewhere there’s a video interview. Sent from my iPhone Anne M. Stadler 18464–47th Place NE Lake Forest Park, WA 98155 206-459-0227 Skype: Anne.M.Stadler A world that works for all is a world of love made visible. www.SourcingtheWay.com www.StoryBridge.space www.CharterforCompassion.org www.thrivingcommunities.org > On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:21 PM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention (R > Chaffe) 2. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (imagi...@bigpond.net.au) > 3. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC) 4. Re: Is there > experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Harrison Owen) > 5. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in > organizations and networks after the initial intervention > (Michael Herman) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:04:13 +1000 > From: R Chaffe > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space > further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention > Message-ID: <7cfc0ebd-608e-49f5-88ab-ae1ad83ed...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Harrison, yes. > > On the other hand a client almost demanded that I increase my fee by 30%. My > comment was we had a contract and I intended to keep to the agreed cost. The > underlying issue was that my event had been so successful that it made other > similar events look very expensive. Yet all that happened was that the > process gave voice to all present. > > > Rob > >> On 13 Aug 2018, at 12:41 am, Harrison Owen via OSList >> wrote: >> >> Rob ? you have identified one of the most curious aspects of dealing >> with clients and/or potential clients regarding Open Space. It?s too >> simple. Couldn?t possibly happen, and doesn?t cost enough. I had one >> (major) corporate client who told me to double my fee otherwise, he >> said, he couldn?t possibly get the contract through the front office. >> I did what he asked and always felt rather guilty about it all. But >> he was very happy, and of course the Open Space ?worked? as usual. >> For obvious reasons all names are withheld to protect the innocent >> and gullible J >> >> ho >> >> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On >> Behalf Of R Chaffe via OSList >> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:02 PM >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> Cc: R Chaffe >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space >> further in organizations and network
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 7
Dear Anne, As Tova says, I only touched the rim, as well but was touched deeply. I knew about Spirited Work long before Peggy invited my husband and me to join a session, because I had wanted to name a group in Phoenix that beautiful name and found your community when I Googled it. The brilliance of using one of Angeles Arrien’s seasons as the Open Space theme created immediate depth and meaning. Thank you, dear Anne and Peggy and all of you Spirited Work community members. Could there be a 📖? Namaste, Christine +1.480.882.8281 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2018, at 12:06 AM, Tova Averbuch via OSList > wrote: > > This was such a precious way to be in community. Even though I was part of it > only temporarily and touched only the rim I was deeply touched and influenced. > Thank you Ann for this piece and I will be happy to have more written > materials. I believe it is worth a book > With love and appreciation > Tova Averbuch > Israel > > -Original Message- > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > anne stadler via OSList > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:08 AM > To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > Cc: anne stadler > Subject: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 7 > > Developing Open Space further: > > Yes. Spirited Work: an Open Space learning community of practice at the > Whidbey Institute for almost 7 full years. We lived Open Space, and learned > about how it works, to work and organize together over time: face to face and > virtually. > > I wrote a short piece about it. Contact me if you want a link (I have to > find it again.) anne.m.s...@gmail.com > > Also Harold Shinsato interviewed several of us about it. So somewhere there’s > a video interview. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Anne M. Stadler > 18464–47th Place NE > Lake Forest Park, WA > 98155 > > 206-459-0227 > Skype: Anne.M.Stadler > > A world that works for all is a world of love made visible. > > www.SourcingtheWay.com > www.StoryBridge.space > www.CharterforCompassion.org > www.thrivingcommunities.org > >> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:21 PM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: >> >> Send OSList mailing list submissions to >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >>organizations and networks after the initial intervention (R >> Chaffe) 2. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >>organizations and networks after the initial intervention >>(imagi...@bigpond.net.au) >> 3. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >>organizations and networks after the initial intervention >>(Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC) 4. Re: Is there >> experience in developing Open Space further in >>organizations and networks after the initial intervention >>(Harrison Owen) >> 5. Re: Is there experience in developing Open Space further in >>organizations and networks after the initial intervention >>(Michael Herman) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:04:13 +1000 >> From: R Chaffe >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space >> further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention >> Message-ID: <7cfc0ebd-608e-49f5-88ab-ae1ad83ed...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Harrison, yes. >> >> On the other hand a client almost demanded that I increase my fee by 30%. >> My comment was we had a contract and I intended to keep to the agreed cost. >> The underlying issue was that my event had been so successful that it made >> other similar events look very expensive. Yet all that happened was that >> the process gave voice to all present. >> >> >> Rob >> >>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 12:41 a
