Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
Mark and Koos…. Two old dear friends! And I know that if you ever met face-to-face you would really enjoy each other. Of course you come from different worlds and meeting might mean spending some time in Pueblo Colorado (just about all mountains) or the other way … with just about no mountains. Actually we do need both. How you going to have a mountain if you don’t have a plain? Just a plain old mountain? Or something? ho From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Mark Carmel via OSList Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 10:57 AM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Cc: Mark Carmel Subject: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people" The definition of success is: The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become successful in their life? The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, safety, etc. There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success. Anyone who buys into this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion. "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM wrote: Send OSList mailing list submissions to oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org You can reach the person managing the list at oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) 2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy) 3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano) 4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler) 5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (christine koehler) 6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Marc C. Trudeau) 7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500 From: Tricia Chirumbole To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello all!! This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant! I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen. Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth, healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment practice, and collective movement. The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma, creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of arenas, applications, and communities. I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies. My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where you work? If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people with whom you work? I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space within oneself and within communities through exploration of body and movement in a way that is liberated from form, function, expectation, or expertise. I hope that makes sense! I welcome all questions as well! Thank you in advance! <3 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20191203/05ea8a43/attachment-0001.html> ---
Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
Mark, I have to disagree with you here on three points: “Respect is a two way street.” No it is not. This is the quid-pro-quo, tit-for-tat mentality that has gotten us into an immense amount of trouble already. I can very well respect a person who does not respect me. I am sure you can too. Now that is something this world needs more of! “The quote disrespects successful people and the need for more of them.” No it does not. The quote says that it is a certain kind of success that we do not need more of. The quote continues to explain what and why. What we do not need is the kind of success that is measured in amounts of money and prides itself in a large ecological footprint. That is a kind of success this world does not need more of. See my earlier comments on definitions. “I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is.” That is how bullies get away with bullying. “I just said something about the words, not about the person.” (innocent face) I can only talk for myself, but if I end my emails with a quote that is close to my heart, and someone calls that quote ridiculous, that hurts. And in my book, this is not respectful behavior. Koos Van: Mark Carmel Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 22:25 Aan: k...@auryn.nl CC: World wide Open Space Technology email list Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people" Koos, I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is. See how simply words and their meaning can be misconstrued? I agree with you on respect. Respect is a two way street. The quote disrespects successful people and the need for more of them. That is antithetical to our beloved OST. For OST seeks to liberate its participants unto freedom to pursue their personal passion and responsibility, right? To do what? Be unsuccessful? See how ridiculous that assertion is? People yearn To become successful and accomplish their aims and objectives... However that is defined by each person. All the best to you Koos, MC On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 1:45 PM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> > wrote: Mark, “THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not very Open Space-like imho. It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that quote has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went looking for the meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible meanings that made good sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by saying the person should not be here, it hurts me even more. This feels like bullying and that, my friend, has no place here as far as I am concerned. Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning: * Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that matter) * Welcoming everyone that wants to be here. Koos Van: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> > Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37 Aan: k...@auryn.nl <mailto:k...@auryn.nl> CC: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people" Koos, That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY in human understanding. The definition of success I provided is in the dictionary. Thanks for your feedback. MC On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> > wrote: It depends on your definition of success. If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that. If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are already too many of us on this planet. If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that. So it is all a matter of definitions. Koos Van: OSList mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > Namens Mark Carmel via OSList Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57 Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > CC: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> > Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people" The definition of success is: The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to pursue their passio
Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
Koos, I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is. See how simply words and their meaning can be misconstrued? I agree with you on respect. Respect is a two way street. The quote disrespects successful people and the need for more of them. That is antithetical to our beloved OST. For OST seeks to liberate its participants unto freedom to pursue their personal passion and responsibility, right? To do what? Be unsuccessful? See how ridiculous that assertion is? People yearn To become successful and accomplish their aims and objectives... However that is defined by each person. All the best to you Koos, MC On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 1:45 PM Koos de Heer wrote: > Mark, > > > > “THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not > very Open Space-like imho. > > > > It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that > quote has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went > looking for the meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible > meanings that made good sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by > saying the person should not be here, it hurts me even more. This feels > like bullying and that, my friend, has no place here as far as I am > concerned. > > > > Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning: > >- Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that >matter) >- Welcoming everyone that wants to be here. > > > > Koos > > > > > > *Van:* Mark Carmel > *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37 > *Aan:* k...@auryn.nl > *CC:* World wide Open Space Technology email list < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain > fact is that the planet does not need more successful people" > > > > Koos, > > > > That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are > KEY in human understanding. The definition of success I provided is in the > dictionary. > > > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > MC > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer wrote: > > It depends on your definition of success. > > > > If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to > deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the > statement that we don’t need that. > > > > If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus > spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian > definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t > need that because there are already too many of us on this planet. > > > > If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are > about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that. > > > > So it is all a matter of definitions. > > > > Koos > > > > > > *Van:* OSList *Namens *Mark > Carmel via OSList > *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57 > *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > *CC:* Mark Carmel > *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact > is that the planet does not need more successful people" > > > > The definition of success is: > > The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. > > > > What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action > to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become > successful in their life? > > > > The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the > sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, > safety, etc. > > > > There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success. Anyone who buys into > this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an > OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion. > > > > "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM > wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..."
Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
Mark, “THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not very Open Space-like imho. It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that quote has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went looking for the meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible meanings that made good sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by saying the person should not be here, it hurts me even more. This feels like bullying and that, my friend, has no place here as far as I am concerned. Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning: * Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that matter) * Welcoming everyone that wants to be here. Koos Van: Mark Carmel Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37 Aan: k...@auryn.nl CC: World wide Open Space Technology email list Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people" Koos, That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY in human understanding. The definition of success I provided is in the dictionary. Thanks for your feedback. MC On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> > wrote: It depends on your definition of success. If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that. If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are already too many of us on this planet. If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that. So it is all a matter of definitions. Koos Van: OSList mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > Namens Mark Carmel via OSList Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57 Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > CC: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> > Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people" The definition of success is: The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become successful in their life? The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, safety, etc. There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success. Anyone who buys into this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion. "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM mailto:oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote: Send OSList mailing list submissions to oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org> You can reach the person managing the list at oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) 2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy) 3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano) 4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler) 5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (christine koehler) 6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Marc C. Trudeau) 7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500 From: Tricia Chirumbole mailto:trchirumb...@gmail.com> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! Mes
Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
Loving words, and knowing that people write and revise dictionaries, I tried a few dictionaries online. Here's what the Cambridge Dictionary says: achieving <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/achieve> desired <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/desired> results <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/result>, or achieving <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/achieve> the result <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/result> of making a lot of money <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/money>: a successful architect <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/architect>/doctor <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/doctor>/lawyer <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/lawyer> Fortunately, my second attempt <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/attempt> at starting <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/start> a business <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/business> was more successful than my first The Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English Usage says: 1 achieving <https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/achieve> what you wanted, or having the effect <https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/effect> or result <https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/result> you intended <https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/intend> The operation was successful. a highly successful (=very successful) meetingsuccessful in (doing) something Were you successful in persuading him to change his mind?2 a successful business <https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/business>, film <https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/film>, product <https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/product> etc makes a lot <https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/lot#lot__7> of money The show’s had a pretty successful run. a highly successful (=very successful) product I love this one: the top rated Urban Dictionary entry is this! Being able say you are truly happy having <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=happy%20having> something in life <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=in%20life> that just makes you smile even through the bad <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20bad> stuff That reminds me the most of Open Space! Jeff On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:15 AM Mark Carmel via OSList < oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > Koos, > > That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are > KEY in human understanding. The definition of success I provided is in the > dictionary. > > Thanks for your feedback. > > MC > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer wrote: > >> It depends on your definition of success. >> >> >> >> If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to >> deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the >> statement that we don’t need that. >> >> >> >> If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus >> spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian >> definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t >> need that because there are already too many of us on this planet. >> >> >> >> If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are >> about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that. >> >> >> >> So it is all a matter of definitions. >> >> >> >> Koos >> >> >> >> >> >> *Van:* OSList *Namens *Mark >> Carmel via OSList >> *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57 >> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list < >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >> *CC:* Mark Carmel >> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact >> is that the planet does not need more successful people" >> >> >> >> The definition of success is: >> >> The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. >> >> >> >> What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action >> to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become >> successful in their life? >> >> >> >> The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given >> the sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health >> care, safety, etc. >> >> >> >> There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success. Anyone who buys into >
Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
Koos, Do you remember this quote? "It Depends on what the definition of is, is" - a quote from President Bill Clinton during his impeachment On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer wrote: > It depends on your definition of success. > > > > If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to > deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the > statement that we don’t need that. > > > > If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus > spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian > definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t > need that because there are already too many of us on this planet. > > > > If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are > about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that. > > > > So it is all a matter of definitions. > > > > Koos > > > > > > *Van:* OSList *Namens *Mark > Carmel via OSList > *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57 > *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > *CC:* Mark Carmel > *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact > is that the planet does not need more successful people" > > > > The definition of success is: > > The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. > > > > What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action > to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become > successful in their life? > > > > The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the > sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, > safety, etc. > > > > There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success. Anyone who buys into > this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an > OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion. > > > > "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM > wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & > without! (Tricia Chirumbole) >2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy) >3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano) >4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler) >5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (christine koehler) >6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (Marc C. Trudeau) >7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500 > From: Tricia Chirumbole > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space > within & without! > Message-ID: > a88vxxho1z6twz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello all!! > > This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant! > > I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in > respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen. > > Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in > movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth, > healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth > possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment > practice, and collective movement. > > The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of > wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma, > creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of > arenas, applications, and communities. > > I am currently exploring potential areas
Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
Koos, That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY in human understanding. The definition of success I provided is in the dictionary. Thanks for your feedback. MC On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer wrote: > It depends on your definition of success. > > > > If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to > deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the > statement that we don’t need that. > > > > If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus > spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian > definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t > need that because there are already too many of us on this planet. > > > > If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are > about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that. > > > > So it is all a matter of definitions. > > > > Koos > > > > > > *Van:* OSList *Namens *Mark > Carmel via OSList > *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57 > *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > *CC:* Mark Carmel > *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact > is that the planet does not need more successful people" > > > > The definition of success is: > > The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. > > > > What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action > to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become > successful in their life? > > > > The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the > sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, > safety, etc. > > > > There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success. Anyone who buys into > this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an > OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion. > > > > "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM > wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & > without! (Tricia Chirumbole) >2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy) >3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano) >4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler) >5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (christine koehler) >6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (Marc C. Trudeau) >7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500 > From: Tricia Chirumbole > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space > within & without! > Message-ID: > a88vxxho1z6twz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello all!! > > This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant! > > I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in > respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen. > > Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in > movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth, > healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth > possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment > practice, and collective movement. > > The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of > wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma, > creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of > arenas, applications, and communities. >
Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
It depends on your definition of success. If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that. If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are already too many of us on this planet. If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that. So it is all a matter of definitions. Koos Van: OSList Namens Mark Carmel via OSList Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57 Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list CC: Mark Carmel Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people" The definition of success is: The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become successful in their life? The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, safety, etc. There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success. Anyone who buys into this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion. "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM mailto:oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote: Send OSList mailing list submissions to oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org> You can reach the person managing the list at oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) 2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy) 3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano) 4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler) 5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (christine koehler) 6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Marc C. Trudeau) 7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500 From: Tricia Chirumbole mailto:trchirumb...@gmail.com> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without! Message-ID: mailto:a88vxxho1z6twz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello all!! This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant! I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen. Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth, healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment practice, and collective movement. The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma, creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of arenas, applications, and communities. I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies. My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where you work? If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people with whom you work? I welcome any and all insights and ref
[OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
The definition of success is: The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become successful in their life? The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, safety, etc. There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success. Anyone who buys into this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion. "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM wrote: > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & > without! (Tricia Chirumbole) >2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy) >3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano) >4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler) >5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (christine koehler) >6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (Marc C. Trudeau) >7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within > & without! (Tricia Chirumbole) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500 > From: Tricia Chirumbole > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space > within & without! > Message-ID: > a88vxxho1z6twz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello all!! > > This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant! > > I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in > respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen. > > Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in > movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth, > healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth > possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment > practice, and collective movement. > > The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of > wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma, > creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of > arenas, applications, and communities. > > I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my > practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring > within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies. > > My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for > movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where > you work? > > If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body > and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people > with whom you work? > > I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this > work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space > within oneself and within communities through exploration of body and > movement in a way that is liberated from form, function, expectation, or > expertise. > > I hope that makes sense! I welcome all questions as well! Thank you in > advance! <3 > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20191203/05ea8a43/attachment-0001.html > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 19:42:33 -0500 > From: Donnan Stoicovy > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Happy Birthday, Harrison! All the best... > *** > Donnan Stoicovy > Head of School > State College Friends School > 1900 University Drive > State College, PA 16801 > 814-237-8386 > > Board of Director - National Association for Professional Development > Schools (NAPDS) > > > > Board of Director, ClearWater Conservancy > Millbrook Marsh Advisory Council > PA Green and Healthy Schools > dmstoic...@gmai
