Re: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers

2009-02-09 Thread Ron Carson
Hey  Chris, no need to apologize, even if you are being critical. I like
to  believe  that  these  on-line  discussion  hone  my  actual practice
patterns!! Now, on with the discussion...

   ##

   Working ON occupation ~vs~ Working TOWARDS occupation: What's the
  difference?

   ##

When working ON occupation, I maintain that occupation-based practice is
a straight line from goal to intervention. Along that line, there may be
any  number  of  specific  intervention,  but  the  line is never broken
between  treatment  and goal. Thus, when I'm working on standing balance
for  a  patient  that can't stand at the toilet, I'm working on the line
between occupation and treatment.

Working TOWARDS occupation is not so direct an approach. Working towards
something is "vague" and nondescript. It's the notion that "if I improve
standing  balance"  the  patient  will  be  better  able to stand at the
toilet.  This  approach  is  NOT  unique  to  OT  and  is  used  by most
therapy-type professions. When working TOWARDS occupation, occupation is
not  necessarily  the goal. This is evident when a goal is written like:
"Patient will increase right elbow range of motion to 120 active flexion
to allow for brushing of hair".

GREAT discussion!!

Thanks,

Ron

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- Original Message -
From: cmnahrw...@aol.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009
To:   OTlist@OTnow.com 
Subj: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers

cac> You may say that you are working on occupation from the beginning
cac> of the session to the end, but it sure sounds to me that you are?at
cac> times?working towards an occupation, especially in the beginning of
cac> the treatment process.? You state that at several times you worked
cac> on sit to stands, standing, and ambulating with the patient.? In my
cac> book those are foundational skills of an occupation.that got the
cac> patient to the point in which they could actually practice their
cac> goal of getting on and off the commode to toilet.? Without these
cac> core foundational skills of an occupation?the client would not have
cac> made it off the bed or out of the chair and would be laying on the
cac> floor with a dirty pair of slacks.? I am by no means criticizing
cac> your treatment plan, because I would have done the same thing.



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Re: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers

2009-02-09 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron,
?I never did apologize. Just stated a fact that I was not criticizing you for 
your treatment plan.

It is my summation that you write about the "Philosophy of OT".? I do not think 
that if you take two seasoned OTs found in the same setting with a strong 
dedication to their clients and put them in two groups a) Working towards 
occupation and b)Working on occupation, that you would find much difference in 
their treatment plans, quite possibly their treatment interventions, and the 
natural activity progression that occurs in providing skilled occupational 
therapy.? The true difference comes from their treatment philosophy and the 
wording that they may use to describe their work.? To me personally this 
difference in philosophy and wording is irrelevent in the "real world".? But I 
do see the value of this philosophy when teaching students and therapists who 
are stuck in a rut pushing cones and peg boards off as therapy.

It is also my opinion that it is easy to switch to your line of thinking by 
just changing a few words in the goal.? Instead of writing "Increase ROM to so 
much in order to comb hair" I could simply write "Patient will comb her hair 
with no assistance".? Instead of writing "increase standing balance by so many 
minutes in order to toilet" one can write "Patient will complete his toileting 
with min assist.? I think the treatment plan and interventions would be the 
same depending on the skill level of the therapist and the motivation of the 
patient.


-Original Message-
From: Ron Carson 
To: cmnahrw...@aol.com 
Sent: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 9:59 pm
Subject: Re: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers



Hey  Chris, no need to apologize, even if you are being critical. I like
to  believe  that  these  on-line  discussion  hone  my  actual practice
patterns!! Now, on with the discussion...

   ##

   Working ON occupation ~vs~ Working TOWARDS occupation: What's the
  difference?

   ##

When working ON occupation, I maintain that occupation-based practice is
a straight line from goal to intervention. Along that line, there may be
any  number  of  specific  intervention,  but  the  line is never broken
between  treatment  and goal. Thus, when I'm working on standing balance
for  a  patient  that can't stand at the toilet, I'm working on the line
between occupation and treatment.

Working TOWARDS occupation is not so direct an approach. Working towards
something is "vague" and nondescript. It's the notion that "if I improve
standing  balance"  the  patient  will  be  better  able to stand at the
toilet.  This  approach  is  NOT  unique  to  OT  and  is  used  by most
therapy-type professions. When working TOWARDS occupation, occupation is
not  necessarily  the goal. This is evident when a goal is written like:
"Patient will increase right elbow range of motion to 120 active flexion
to allow for brushing of hair".

GREAT discussion!!

Thanks,

Ron

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Ron Carson MHS, OT
www.OTnow.com

- Original Message -
From: cmnahrw...@aol.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009
To:   OTlist@OTnow.com 
Subj: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers

cac> You may say that you are working on occupation from the beginning
cac> of the session to the end, but it sure sounds to me that you are?at
cac> times?working towards an occupation, especially in the beginning of
cac> the treatment process.? You state that at several times you worked
cac> on sit to stands, standing, and ambulating with the patient.? In my
cac> book those are foundati
onal skills of an occupation.that got the
cac> patient to the point in which they could actually practice their
cac> goal of getting on and off the commode to toilet.? Without these
cac> core foundational skills of an occupation?the client would not have
cac> made it off the bed or out of the chair and would be laying on the
cac> floor with a dirty pair of slacks.? I am by no means criticizing
cac> your treatment plan, because I would have done the same thing.



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