Re: [OTlist] Difference?

2009-08-20 Thread Ron Carson
I  would  like  the MD to have stated something like what YOU said. In other
words, that OT was using basketball to improve the patient's ability to take
care of themselves. Instead, the MD said:

 "The  OT  used  this  task for counting, visual perceptual training and
 attention."

Personally,  I don't see counting, visual perception or attention to be very
specific to OT. And that's my concern.

I  so  wish, OT would be known as the profession that teaches people to take
care of themselves, be productive and have fun. Unfortunately, it seems just
about impossible for this to happen.

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cac> PT's  walking and stair climbing goals. I'm sure working on a game like
cac> that  in OT would help with their ADL goals and the actual leisure goal
cac> of playing BB


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Re: [OTlist] Difference?

2009-08-18 Thread cmnahrwold
I'm not a big fan of that breakdown in components either, but what I 
did gather from that quote was the agitated person wouldn't do anything 
but shoot baskets, so I think that both PT and OT had to stretch a bit 
in order for the patient to get through the agitated stage from an 
inurance point of view, if you know what I mean.


From a multidiciplinary approach I can see why both disciplines would 
use that treatment choice.  I'm sure working on a dynamic challenge 
like that would assist with a PT's walking and stair climbing goals.  
I'm sure working on a game like that in OT would help with their ADL 
goals and the actual leisure goal of playing BB.  Not sure if I would 
feel comfortable with both disciplines working on it at the same time, 
for every treatment session.  That would be odd.  but I guess the world 
of traumatic brain injury is a unique animal in which treatment choices 
are limited especially during the intitial stages of the game.  And to 
let the patient lie around and do nothing until they "come around" is 
unlikely and tough on the body, mind, and soul.


I can see Ron's point about the perception of PTs using occupations as 
a modality, but when it comes down to it, I think in this situation 
they were doing all that was allowed by the patient.  I would be more 
concerned if they wrote goals that were directly occupationally based 
versus pain, steps, balance, ROM, strenght, etc.  Not trying to 
minimize the problem, just trying to provide a rational explaination, 
because it happens all of the time in acute rehab, when the patient 
doesn't feel like getting up and moving.


Chris Nahrwold MS, OTR

-Original Message-
From: Ron Carson 
To: OTlist 
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:16 pm
Subject: [OTlist] Difference?

"If a patient does not respond to a specific treatment 
intervention,
team  members  discuss what is working for them and incorporate 
that
into  the  PT  sessions.  For  example, we had a patient who 
enjoyed
playing  basketball  but  wasn't  interested in much else due 
to his
agitated  state  from  his  brain  injury. The OT used this 
task for
counting, visual perceptual training and attention. The PT used 
this
task  by  having  the  patient  stand and shoot baskets from 
varying
distances to address balance and coordination. When treating 
persons
with  acquired  brain  injury, it is essential to identify what 
will
motivate   them   to   participate   in   therapy   while  
providing
interventions  that  will  address  their impairments and 
functional

   limitations" SOURCE: (Rehab Management. Vol. 22, No.7, Page 15.)

The  above  quote  is  taken  from  a  brief physician written article 
on an
interdisciplinary  approach  to  stroke  rehab.  I  should  mention 
that the
magazines article has a picture of an OT doing UE range of motion, what 
else
right???  None  the  less,  look  at the quote. Notice that the MD 
refers to
incorporating  intervention into PT sessions? Oversight on his part, or 
just

a fact that PT IS the team?

Also, please tell me what the heck is the difference between what the 
PT and
the  OT  are doing? The whole concept of separating basketball into 
specific
treatment spectrums is just plain silly. If a person is "playing" 
basketball
isn't  he  working  on  ALL  the processes needed to through the ball 
into a
hoop?  Why would OT segment out their treatment into cognitive "stuff" 
while

the PT addresses the physical "stuff"?

In  my  opinion OT should be the ONLY discipline using basketball for 
rehab.

PT should be in the gym working on ROM, strength, pain, etc.

For  10  YEARS, I've been preaching that occupation is our bread and 
butter.
But,  phys-dys OT's are so stupidly stuck on limiting themselves to UE 
rehab
that  OTHER  disciplines are grabbing onto the VERY TERRITORY that we 
should

be staking claim to.

I  predict, that one day in the future, OT's will look back and say, 
why did

we let PT take over using daily occupation as a treatment modality.

We  are literally shooting ourselves in the foot just so we can lay 
claim to

the stupid arm! Tragic really!!!

Ron

~~~
Ron Carson MHS, OT
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[OTlist] Difference?

2009-08-18 Thread Ron Carson
"If a patient does not respond to a specific treatment intervention,
team  members  discuss what is working for them and incorporate that
into  the  PT  sessions.  For  example, we had a patient who enjoyed
playing  basketball  but  wasn't  interested in much else due to his
agitated  state  from  his  brain  injury. The OT used this task for
counting, visual perceptual training and attention. The PT used this
task  by  having  the  patient  stand and shoot baskets from varying
distances to address balance and coordination. When treating persons
with  acquired  brain  injury, it is essential to identify what will
motivate   them   to   participate   in   therapy   while  providing
interventions  that  will  address  their impairments and functional
limitations" SOURCE: (Rehab Management. Vol. 22, No.7, Page 15.)

The  above  quote  is  taken  from  a  brief physician written article on an
interdisciplinary  approach  to  stroke  rehab.  I  should  mention that the
magazines article has a picture of an OT doing UE range of motion, what else
right???  None  the  less,  look  at the quote. Notice that the MD refers to
incorporating  intervention into PT sessions? Oversight on his part, or just
a fact that PT IS the team?

Also, please tell me what the heck is the difference between what the PT and
the  OT  are doing? The whole concept of separating basketball into specific
treatment spectrums is just plain silly. If a person is "playing" basketball
isn't  he  working  on  ALL  the processes needed to through the ball into a
hoop?  Why would OT segment out their treatment into cognitive "stuff" while
the PT addresses the physical "stuff"?

In  my  opinion OT should be the ONLY discipline using basketball for rehab.
PT should be in the gym working on ROM, strength, pain, etc.

For  10  YEARS, I've been preaching that occupation is our bread and butter.
But,  phys-dys OT's are so stupidly stuck on limiting themselves to UE rehab
that  OTHER  disciplines are grabbing onto the VERY TERRITORY that we should
be staking claim to.

I  predict, that one day in the future, OT's will look back and say, why did
we let PT take over using daily occupation as a treatment modality.

We  are literally shooting ourselves in the foot just so we can lay claim to
the stupid arm! Tragic really!!!

Ron

~~~
Ron Carson MHS, OT
www.OTnow.com




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