Re: [ovs-dev] Moving of the primary #openvswitch channel to irc.libera.chat ?
During the irc meeting today, a question of @openstack bot was raised. We use the bot to manage and log our weekly meetings, and we would like to continue using it after migration. I talked to openstack infra folks (specifically, @fungi), and here is what I am told: - openstack still hasn't decided whether to move anywhere from freenode; - if they move, they will move to oftc that was long time ago designated as their backup; - they pre-created all official channels for their sub-projects in oftc; #openvswitch is not openstack project and so is not owned by them there; - I am told that even the fact the bot was enabled for freenode #openvswitch was probably a mistake since they usually require ownership for the channel to do that. Regardless, https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/714174/ was merged. It doesn't seem like there are plans to ever support bot on libera network. They MAY support it on oftc is tech committee decides to move (still on agenda). If we want to continue using the bot, we will have to run our own instance (both the bot itself as well as the web server to publish logs). It may be easier to move to oftc and not libera if we want to continue using the bot without taking over its maintenance. Regardless, we may have to formally pass over ownership of the channel to openstack infra. If you ask my personal opinion, I would take a timeout and watch what other projects (especially openstack that we rely on here) do and then decide. Freenode is still operating and can serve the project needs until we have a better picture. I hope it helps, Ihar On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 4:04 PM Ilya Maximets wrote: > > Hi. > > Taking into account some very unhealthy things that happened recently > with FreeNode network and resigning of lots of its stuff [1], we > probably need to discuss if Open vSwitch project wants to change the > IRC server for a primary #openvswitch channel. User's data is the > main concern, IIUC, as it's unclear what the new management will > do with the network. > > The main alternative now seems to be the Libera.Chat [2] where most of > the former FreeNode stuff. > > Some projects already announced [3][4] movement to Libera.Chat. Others > are discussing the possibility [5]. > > So, I think, it make sense to discuss the future of #openvswitch > channel too. Any thoughts? > > Will we have an OVN meeting on a different server tomorrow? > > Best regards, Ilya Maximets. > > [1] https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_461 > [2] https://libera.chat/ > [3] > https://blog.centos.org/2021/05/centos-irc-channels-moving-to-irc-libera-chat/ > [4] https://sourcehut.org/blog/2021-05-19-liberachat/ > [5] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2021q2/006888.html > ___ > dev mailing list > d...@openvswitch.org > https://mail.openvswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/ovs-dev > ___ dev mailing list d...@openvswitch.org https://mail.openvswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/ovs-dev
Re: [ovs-dev] Moving of the primary #openvswitch channel to irc.libera.chat ?
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 09:46:01AM -0300, Flavio Leitner wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:22:58PM -0700, Ben Pfaff wrote: > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:03:57PM +0200, Ilya Maximets wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > Taking into account some very unhealthy things that happened recently > > > with FreeNode network and resigning of lots of its stuff [1], we > > > probably need to discuss if Open vSwitch project wants to change the > > > IRC server for a primary #openvswitch channel. User's data is the > > > main concern, IIUC, as it's unclear what the new management will > > > do with the network. > > > > > > The main alternative now seems to be the Libera.Chat [2] where most of > > > the former FreeNode stuff. > > > > > > Some projects already announced [3][4] movement to Libera.Chat. Others > > > are discussing the possibility [5]. > > > > > > So, I think, it make sense to discuss the future of #openvswitch > > > channel too. Any thoughts? > > > > > > Will we have an OVN meeting on a different server tomorrow? > > > > Thanks for sending such a detailed message (with footnotes!). > > I think I support the move. I have already registered the #openvswitch > > channel on libera.chat (and copied the topic across). > > Great! Thanks. > > > > I'm going to log in on both servers tomorrow but I suggest that we > > transition to libera.chat after tomorrow's meeting, since this is pretty > > short notice and I think that most of us (including me) are only light > > users of IRC. > > > > Also, I suspect that the infrastructure for recording meetings has not > > yet moved to libera.chat. (I did notice that the 'openstack' user just > > dropped out of #openvswitch. I think that's the bot that did the > > meeting recordings. So maybe that infastructure is moving across right > > as I write.) > > When things are ported, please change freenode's #openvswitch topic > to say that we are moving to the new network. That makes sense. I will do that. ___ dev mailing list d...@openvswitch.org https://mail.openvswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/ovs-dev
Re: [ovs-dev] Moving of the primary #openvswitch channel to irc.libera.chat ?
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:22:58PM -0700, Ben Pfaff wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:03:57PM +0200, Ilya Maximets wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Taking into account some very unhealthy things that happened recently > > with FreeNode network and resigning of lots of its stuff [1], we > > probably need to discuss if Open vSwitch project wants to change the > > IRC server for a primary #openvswitch channel. User's data is the > > main concern, IIUC, as it's unclear what the new management will > > do with the network. > > > > The main alternative now seems to be the Libera.Chat [2] where most of > > the former FreeNode stuff. > > > > Some projects already announced [3][4] movement to Libera.Chat. Others > > are discussing the possibility [5]. > > > > So, I think, it make sense to discuss the future of #openvswitch > > channel too. Any thoughts? > > > > Will we have an OVN meeting on a different server tomorrow? > > Thanks for sending such a detailed message (with footnotes!). > I think I support the move. I have already registered the #openvswitch > channel on libera.chat (and copied the topic across). Great! Thanks. > I'm going to log in on both servers tomorrow but I suggest that we > transition to libera.chat after tomorrow's meeting, since this is pretty > short notice and I think that most of us (including me) are only light > users of IRC. > > Also, I suspect that the infrastructure for recording meetings has not > yet moved to libera.chat. (I did notice that the 'openstack' user just > dropped out of #openvswitch. I think that's the bot that did the > meeting recordings. So maybe that infastructure is moving across right > as I write.) When things are ported, please change freenode's #openvswitch topic to say that we are moving to the new network. Usually the 'topic' is displayed when someone joins the channel, so it could help users to find out about the change. -- fbl ___ dev mailing list d...@openvswitch.org https://mail.openvswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/ovs-dev
Re: [ovs-dev] Moving of the primary #openvswitch channel to irc.libera.chat ?
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:03:57PM +0200, Ilya Maximets wrote: > Hi. > > Taking into account some very unhealthy things that happened recently > with FreeNode network and resigning of lots of its stuff [1], we > probably need to discuss if Open vSwitch project wants to change the > IRC server for a primary #openvswitch channel. User's data is the > main concern, IIUC, as it's unclear what the new management will > do with the network. > > The main alternative now seems to be the Libera.Chat [2] where most of > the former FreeNode stuff. > > Some projects already announced [3][4] movement to Libera.Chat. Others > are discussing the possibility [5]. > > So, I think, it make sense to discuss the future of #openvswitch > channel too. Any thoughts? > > Will we have an OVN meeting on a different server tomorrow? Thanks for sending such a detailed message (with footnotes!). I think I support the move. I have already registered the #openvswitch channel on libera.chat (and copied the topic across). I'm going to log in on both servers tomorrow but I suggest that we transition to libera.chat after tomorrow's meeting, since this is pretty short notice and I think that most of us (including me) are only light users of IRC. Also, I suspect that the infrastructure for recording meetings has not yet moved to libera.chat. (I did notice that the 'openstack' user just dropped out of #openvswitch. I think that's the bot that did the meeting recordings. So maybe that infastructure is moving across right as I write.) ___ dev mailing list d...@openvswitch.org https://mail.openvswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/ovs-dev
