Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[.net noobie]

the Numbers is low, but it is only a few months old, i
hope Paris Hilton switches from a iPhone to WP7
then the numbers should sky rocket ;) hehe

Paris Hilton, made the iPhone a fashion item almost with young people ;)

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:14 PM, mike smith  wrote:

> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stephen Liedig  wrote:
>
>> Cheers everyone, all good information.
>>
>> .net noobie, your Mozart review is interesting, all the others I have seen
>> have been a bit average. And the reviews on the HTC HD7 have also been
>> somewhat discouraging (not to mention I totally object to having to pay $17
>> a month just for the privilege of owning one). It seems to me that all
>> carriers are just pushing iphones and android devices. When you look around
>> at what else is on offer WP7 don't look like an attractive option. Is this a
>> failure on Microsoft's part not to push their marketing campaign further or
>> is it the carriers refusal to push it due to the popularity of iPhone? I
>> spoke to a rep in the Telstra store and he said that 55% of sales made last
>> year were for iPhones. When you have those kind of figures why would you be
>> interested in pushing the competition. Anyway, not going to analyse it too
>> much, in fear of showing my ignorance in these matters but I just find it a
>> bit strange.
>>
>> Thanks again for all your comments.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Down to 3.6% as of the last quarter.
>
>
> http://www.crn.com.au/News/258130,symbian-and-windows-phone-7-bleed-market-share.aspx
>
> Come on, Microsoft, at that level it's not worth developing for when you
> can hit most of the market by targeting iOS and Android.
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

RE: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[Bill McCarthy]

The Mozart is the phone I'm using at present. It's got lots of good features 
and some bad. In rural/poor coverage areas the battery life is terrible; but in 
good coverage areas it is fair to good in terms of battery life. The GPS in it 
seems incredibly flakey at times: last night for example it wasn't able to give 
me a position fix and was showing my last position some 20km away, whilst a 
friends Motorola Defy was working accurately within ten or so metres accuracy 
In terms of screen brightness I find the Mozart at times unreadable in direct 
sunlight. I've seen an iPhone next to my Mozart on a sunny day and the iPhone 
was readable whilst the Mozart wasn't. I believe the Defy is quite good in that 
aspect to. Of course, some of the problem may have been from the screen 
protector.
In terms of OS, WP7 is really good at reading mail and all that stuff. It's 
nice to be able to have a rough look at office documents etc... The other day I 
sent a word document attachment to a friend who didn't even realize because he 
was using droid 2.2 or there about: I just laughed.
The recent WP7 updates really did improve performance. But there's still a lot 
more to come that will make WP7 a lot more compelling. 
If you can wait some months then it's probably wise to. If not, try to lock in 
for as little time as possible; and there's new dual core phones coming out 
next month, and then no doubt more to follow. 

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Liedig
Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2011 1:14 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

Cheers everyone, all good information.

.net noobie, your Mozart review is interesting, all the others I have seen
have been a bit average. And the reviews on the HTC HD7 have also been
somewhat discouraging (not to mention I totally object to having to pay $17
a month just for the privilege of owning one). It seems to me that all
carriers are just pushing iphones and android devices. When you look around
at what else is on offer WP7 don't look like an attractive option. Is this a
failure on Microsoft's part not to push their marketing campaign further or
is it the carriers refusal to push it due to the popularity of iPhone? I
spoke to a rep in the Telstra store and he said that 55% of sales made last
year were for iPhones. When you have those kind of figures why would you be
interested in pushing the competition. Anyway, not going to analyse it too
much, in fear of showing my ignorance in these matters but I just find it a
bit strange.

Thanks again for all your comments.

Steve


On 24 May 2011 09:58, .net noobie  wrote:

> I have played with Samsung Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart 7
>
> I found the Mozart to be better, runs better, Telstra much better network
> even after the new Samsung update has been released I still think
> the Mozart runs more smoothly
>
> when i swap from the larger 4" screen to the smaller 3.8" screen, i don't
> even notice the difference in size
>
> I also think the Mozart is just a nicer designed phone, it looks nicer
>
> One advantage of the Omnia 7 is the screen in bright light
>
> I actually got Optus to test mt 3G connection because as previously
> mentioned in the threat it's not great
> I am on the Gold Coast, not a small place, but my connection switches from
> 3G to GSM all the time
> Optus actually offered me to cancel the contract due to the results of the
> test on my connection
>
> If i personally chose again I would get the Mozart, due to superior 3G
> network and the phone is just better design and also I think runs a bit
> smoother and I may still take Optus up on the offer to hand back my Omnia 7
> and get a Mozart (or some other Telstra WP7 phone) as I have really only
> used the two I mentioned
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Connors  wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Probably get the phone and plan separately.  With Android at least,
>> >> you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them
>> >> rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware.
>> >
>> > You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root
>> your
>> > phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and
>> > Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month.
>> > Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e.
>> everyone
>> > in the world gets it on day one).
>>
>> Inclined to agree, but Google go close with their own models.
>> NexusOne, etc - it deployed 2.3.4 this month.  When it falls
>> apart[1](no sign so far), or I get tired of it I'll keep buying Nexus
>> series.
>>
>> http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-google-nexus-s.html  or its successor?
>>
>> [1] It's holding together fairly well, I've got a silicone holster
>> type cover that leaves the screen exposed, and use the clear covers on
>> that.  A minor quibble is that occasionally the touch screen goe

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[mike smith]

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stephen Liedig  wrote:

> Cheers everyone, all good information.
>
> .net noobie, your Mozart review is interesting, all the others I have seen
> have been a bit average. And the reviews on the HTC HD7 have also been
> somewhat discouraging (not to mention I totally object to having to pay $17
> a month just for the privilege of owning one). It seems to me that all
> carriers are just pushing iphones and android devices. When you look around
> at what else is on offer WP7 don't look like an attractive option. Is this a
> failure on Microsoft's part not to push their marketing campaign further or
> is it the carriers refusal to push it due to the popularity of iPhone? I
> spoke to a rep in the Telstra store and he said that 55% of sales made last
> year were for iPhones. When you have those kind of figures why would you be
> interested in pushing the competition. Anyway, not going to analyse it too
> much, in fear of showing my ignorance in these matters but I just find it a
> bit strange.
>
> Thanks again for all your comments.
>
>
>

Down to 3.6% as of the last quarter.

http://www.crn.com.au/News/258130,symbian-and-windows-phone-7-bleed-market-share.aspx

Come on, Microsoft, at that level it's not worth developing for when you can
hit most of the market by targeting iOS and Android.


-- 
Meski

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[Stephen Price]

My mother in law bought a WP7 Mozart from Telstra. I was gobsmacked.
The thing is, she would have bought whatever they pushed at her. The
fact they sold her the WP7 and *not* an iPhone was hell impressive.
Big thumbs up to whoever that salesperson was, or possibly Telstra.
Their prices are pretty competitive these days, so the extra coverage
makes it a nobrainer.

Also, my mother in law *loves* the WP7. :)

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Stephen Liedig  wrote:
> Cheers everyone, all good information.
> .net noobie, your Mozart review is interesting, all the others I have seen
> have been a bit average. And the reviews on the HTC HD7 have also been
> somewhat discouraging (not to mention I totally object to having to pay $17
> a month just for the privilege of owning one). It seems to me that all
> carriers are just pushing iphones and android devices. When you look around
> at what else is on offer WP7 don't look like an attractive option. Is this a
> failure on Microsoft's part not to push their marketing campaign further or
> is it the carriers refusal to push it due to the popularity of iPhone? I
> spoke to a rep in the Telstra store and he said that 55% of sales made last
> year were for iPhones. When you have those kind of figures why would you be
> interested in pushing the competition. Anyway, not going to analyse it too
> much, in fear of showing my ignorance in these matters but I just find it a
> bit strange.
> Thanks again for all your comments.
> Steve
>
> On 24 May 2011 09:58, .net noobie  wrote:
>>
>> I have played with Samsung Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart 7
>>
>> I found the Mozart to be better, runs better, Telstra much better network
>> even after the new Samsung update has been released I still think
>> the Mozart runs more smoothly
>> when i swap from the larger 4" screen to the smaller 3.8" screen, i don't
>> even notice the difference in size
>>
>> I also think the Mozart is just a nicer designed phone, it looks nicer
>>
>> One advantage of the Omnia 7 is the screen in bright light
>>
>> I actually got Optus to test mt 3G connection because as previously
>> mentioned in the threat it's not great
>> I am on the Gold Coast, not a small place, but my connection switches from
>> 3G to GSM all the time
>> Optus actually offered me to cancel the contract due to the results of the
>> test on my connection
>>
>> If i personally chose again I would get the Mozart, due to superior 3G
>> network and the phone is just better design and also I think runs a bit
>> smoother and I may still take Optus up on the offer to hand back my Omnia 7
>> and get a Mozart (or some other Telstra WP7 phone) as I have really only
>> used the two I mentioned
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Connors  wrote:
>>> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Probably get the phone and plan separately.  With Android at least,
>>> >> you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them
>>> >> rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware.
>>> >
>>> > You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root
>>> > your
>>> > phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and
>>> > Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month.
>>> > Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e.
>>> > everyone
>>> > in the world gets it on day one).
>>>
>>> Inclined to agree, but Google go close with their own models.
>>> NexusOne, etc - it deployed 2.3.4 this month.  When it falls
>>> apart[1](no sign so far), or I get tired of it I'll keep buying Nexus
>>> series.
>>>
>>> http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-google-nexus-s.html  or its successor?
>>>
>>> [1] It's holding together fairly well, I've got a silicone holster
>>> type cover that leaves the screen exposed, and use the clear covers on
>>> that.  A minor quibble is that occasionally the touch screen goes out
>>> of alignment, but a on-off (not a power recycle) fixes that.  Could be
>>> the clear screen cover I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > --
>>> > David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
>>> > Software Engineer
>>> > Codify Pty Ltd
>>> > Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61
>>> > 417
>>> > 189 363
>>> > V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>>> > Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Meski
>>>
>>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>
>
>

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Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[.net noobie]

I have only looked/user those two phones, so that is just my personal
feelings about them

also... maybe worth noting, that apparently when the "Mango" update is
coming will also potentially be some new versions of WP's released which
apparently will have some new features, but they will obviously be a while
away and also, I do not know if/when they will be available in Aus



On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stephen Liedig  wrote:

> Cheers everyone, all good information.
>
> .net noobie, your Mozart review is interesting, all the others I have seen
> have been a bit average. And the reviews on the HTC HD7 have also been
> somewhat discouraging (not to mention I totally object to having to pay $17
> a month just for the privilege of owning one). It seems to me that all
> carriers are just pushing iphones and android devices. When you look around
> at what else is on offer WP7 don't look like an attractive option. Is this a
> failure on Microsoft's part not to push their marketing campaign further or
> is it the carriers refusal to push it due to the popularity of iPhone? I
> spoke to a rep in the Telstra store and he said that 55% of sales made last
> year were for iPhones. When you have those kind of figures why would you be
> interested in pushing the competition. Anyway, not going to analyse it too
> much, in fear of showing my ignorance in these matters but I just find it a
> bit strange.
>
> Thanks again for all your comments.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 24 May 2011 09:58, .net noobie  wrote:
>
>> I have played with Samsung Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart 7
>>
>> I found the Mozart to be better, runs better, Telstra much better network
>> even after the new Samsung update has been released I still think
>> the Mozart runs more smoothly
>>
>> when i swap from the larger 4" screen to the smaller 3.8" screen, i don't
>> even notice the difference in size
>>
>> I also think the Mozart is just a nicer designed phone, it looks nicer
>>
>> One advantage of the Omnia 7 is the screen in bright light
>>
>> I actually got Optus to test mt 3G connection because as previously
>> mentioned in the threat it's not great
>> I am on the Gold Coast, not a small place, but my connection switches from
>> 3G to GSM all the time
>> Optus actually offered me to cancel the contract due to the results of the
>> test on my connection
>>
>> If i personally chose again I would get the Mozart, due to superior 3G
>> network and the phone is just better design and also I think runs a bit
>> smoother and I may still take Optus up on the offer to hand back my Omnia 7
>> and get a Mozart (or some other Telstra WP7 phone) as I have really only
>> used the two I mentioned
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Connors 
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Probably get the phone and plan separately.  With Android at least,
>>> >> you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them
>>> >> rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware.
>>> >
>>> > You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root
>>> your
>>> > phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and
>>> > Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month.
>>> > Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e.
>>> everyone
>>> > in the world gets it on day one).
>>>
>>> Inclined to agree, but Google go close with their own models.
>>> NexusOne, etc - it deployed 2.3.4 this month.  When it falls
>>> apart[1](no sign so far), or I get tired of it I'll keep buying Nexus
>>> series.
>>>
>>> http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-google-nexus-s.html  or its
>>> successor?
>>>
>>> [1] It's holding together fairly well, I've got a silicone holster
>>> type cover that leaves the screen exposed, and use the clear covers on
>>> that.  A minor quibble is that occasionally the touch screen goes out
>>> of alignment, but a on-off (not a power recycle) fixes that.  Could be
>>> the clear screen cover I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > --
>>> > David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
>>> > Software Engineer
>>> > Codify Pty Ltd
>>> > Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61
>>> 417
>>> > 189 363
>>> > V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>>> > Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Meski
>>>
>>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[Stephen Liedig]

Cheers everyone, all good information.

.net noobie, your Mozart review is interesting, all the others I have seen
have been a bit average. And the reviews on the HTC HD7 have also been
somewhat discouraging (not to mention I totally object to having to pay $17
a month just for the privilege of owning one). It seems to me that all
carriers are just pushing iphones and android devices. When you look around
at what else is on offer WP7 don't look like an attractive option. Is this a
failure on Microsoft's part not to push their marketing campaign further or
is it the carriers refusal to push it due to the popularity of iPhone? I
spoke to a rep in the Telstra store and he said that 55% of sales made last
year were for iPhones. When you have those kind of figures why would you be
interested in pushing the competition. Anyway, not going to analyse it too
much, in fear of showing my ignorance in these matters but I just find it a
bit strange.

Thanks again for all your comments.

Steve


On 24 May 2011 09:58, .net noobie  wrote:

> I have played with Samsung Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart 7
>
> I found the Mozart to be better, runs better, Telstra much better network
> even after the new Samsung update has been released I still think
> the Mozart runs more smoothly
>
> when i swap from the larger 4" screen to the smaller 3.8" screen, i don't
> even notice the difference in size
>
> I also think the Mozart is just a nicer designed phone, it looks nicer
>
> One advantage of the Omnia 7 is the screen in bright light
>
> I actually got Optus to test mt 3G connection because as previously
> mentioned in the threat it's not great
> I am on the Gold Coast, not a small place, but my connection switches from
> 3G to GSM all the time
> Optus actually offered me to cancel the contract due to the results of the
> test on my connection
>
> If i personally chose again I would get the Mozart, due to superior 3G
> network and the phone is just better design and also I think runs a bit
> smoother and I may still take Optus up on the offer to hand back my Omnia 7
> and get a Mozart (or some other Telstra WP7 phone) as I have really only
> used the two I mentioned
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Connors  wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Probably get the phone and plan separately.  With Android at least,
>> >> you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them
>> >> rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware.
>> >
>> > You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root
>> your
>> > phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and
>> > Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month.
>> > Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e.
>> everyone
>> > in the world gets it on day one).
>>
>> Inclined to agree, but Google go close with their own models.
>> NexusOne, etc - it deployed 2.3.4 this month.  When it falls
>> apart[1](no sign so far), or I get tired of it I'll keep buying Nexus
>> series.
>>
>> http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-google-nexus-s.html  or its successor?
>>
>> [1] It's holding together fairly well, I've got a silicone holster
>> type cover that leaves the screen exposed, and use the clear covers on
>> that.  A minor quibble is that occasionally the touch screen goes out
>> of alignment, but a on-off (not a power recycle) fixes that.  Could be
>> the clear screen cover I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> > --
>> > David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
>> > Software Engineer
>> > Codify Pty Ltd
>> > Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61
>> 417
>> > 189 363
>> > V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>> > Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Meski
>>
>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[.net noobie]

I have played with Samsung Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart 7

I found the Mozart to be better, runs better, Telstra much better network
even after the new Samsung update has been released I still think
the Mozart runs more smoothly

when i swap from the larger 4" screen to the smaller 3.8" screen, i don't
even notice the difference in size

I also think the Mozart is just a nicer designed phone, it looks nicer

One advantage of the Omnia 7 is the screen in bright light

I actually got Optus to test mt 3G connection because as previously
mentioned in the threat it's not great
I am on the Gold Coast, not a small place, but my connection switches from
3G to GSM all the time
Optus actually offered me to cancel the contract due to the results of the
test on my connection

If i personally chose again I would get the Mozart, due to superior 3G
network and the phone is just better design and also I think runs a bit
smoother and I may still take Optus up on the offer to hand back my Omnia 7
and get a Mozart (or some other Telstra WP7 phone) as I have really only
used the two I mentioned



On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, mike smith  wrote:

> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Connors  wrote:
> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith  wrote:
> >>
> >> Probably get the phone and plan separately.  With Android at least,
> >> you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them
> >> rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware.
> >
> > You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root
> your
> > phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and
> > Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month.
> > Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e.
> everyone
> > in the world gets it on day one).
>
> Inclined to agree, but Google go close with their own models.
> NexusOne, etc - it deployed 2.3.4 this month.  When it falls
> apart[1](no sign so far), or I get tired of it I'll keep buying Nexus
> series.
>
> http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-google-nexus-s.html  or its successor?
>
> [1] It's holding together fairly well, I've got a silicone holster
> type cover that leaves the screen exposed, and use the clear covers on
> that.  A minor quibble is that occasionally the touch screen goes out
> of alignment, but a on-off (not a power recycle) fixes that.  Could be
> the clear screen cover I guess.
>
>
>
> > --
> > David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
> > Software Engineer
> > Codify Pty Ltd
> > Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61
> 417
> > 189 363
> > V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
> > Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

Re: Govt .net jobs?

[Scott Barnes]

Woah.. i wouldn't rule that one out just yet..depends on the definition of
"pub"  and what the client(s) want lol :)
---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Winston Pang  wrote:

> Doh :(
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Grant Molloy  wrote:
> > Wrong type of piss Winston...
> > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Winston Pang 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is this an indication that I should be hanging out at pubs to score a
> >> govt job? :p
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Scott Barnes 
> >> wrote:
> >> > love this thread. We went from Govt jobs etc to Piss... Love it.
> >> > ---
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Scott Barnes
> >> > http://www.riagenic.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:36 PM, David Connors 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:57 AM, DotNet Dude  >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Wikipedia is taking the piss itself with this quote from
> >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss
> >> >>
> >> >> Definitely wasn't written by an Aussie.
> >> >> --
> >> >> David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
> >> >> Software Engineer
> >> >> Codify Pty Ltd
> >> >> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile:
> +61
> >> >> 417
> >> >> 189 363
> >> >> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
> >> >> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Help I'm being threatened.

[Scott Barnes]

At worse its embarrassing for you that they are contacting the domain owner
about it. I'd say "damn scammers, next thing they will want your bank
account details so they can give you all that excess money thats being
stashed..."

The amount of pure cluster - f's i've had to fix for Microsoft CS in
Asia/india that is a result of dodge sub-contracts etc would be a story to
tell! :) so i wouldn't freak out to much its not an uncommon thing is my
point.

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Grant Molloy  wrote:

> This sounds like their game plan from the start..
> I would suggest informing eLance about these people, so they don't repeat
> on another poor sucker.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Michael Ridland wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I get onto my computer this afternoon and I have found that the company
>> had started publicly harassing me via social media.
>>
>> The reason I disputed was for a moral reason, in that I felt they
>> dishonored their agreement and shouldn't have promised on something they
>> couldn't deliver. It was never about the money for me, I have money to pay
>> for services.
>>
>> Since they wouldn't leave me alone, I ended up giving them a payment. I
>> didn't want to have myself get into a public debated over a disagreement, I
>> didn't want my reputation to be tarnished by this incident which was such a
>> small sum.
>>
>> Maybe this was weak?
>>
>> I'm just happy for it to be over, disaster project. Some nights I was up
>> between 1-4am fixing up issues they introduced, so it would be good for the
>> client morning.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Liam McLennan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
>>>
>>> Since you have not paid them you cannot use any of their work - that
>>> would be stealing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, David Boccabella <
>>> davidboccabe...@anubis-systems.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ok – to clarify the situation



 Your client (the domain owner) approached you – a contractor – to do
 some work i.e. Build a website

 You then subcontracted another group – the Indians – to do some of the
 work for you and they did not deliver.

 And they are now threatening your client.



 Firstly – as the Indians had no direct contact with your client NOR was
 there any agreement directly between them and your client – there is 
 nothing
 they can do.



 Any court of law would drop this immediately as the case would be
 between yourself and the Indians. And as such you have a good reason 
 (Backed
 by Elance’s refund) for cancelling the

 Contract between you and the Indians.



 So – Inform your client of the reason that you dropped the Indians from
 doing the work (you had the clients best interests at heart and the quality
 was not there), and that the Indians are trying to harass you into paying
 them for nothing.



 If really push comes to shove (and we are talking big courts here which
 I seriously doubt that the Indians can afford to do) these questions may
 need to be asked.



 1.   Who owns the copyright on the logo’s and the web design
 (usually the client or you unless you have asked the Indians to develop 
 this
 from scratch)

 2.   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
 (Although it MAY look the same – if there is significant changes to the
 functionality of the web page and/or coding) since if you can show that 
 most
 of their content was deemed unacceptable in quality and was discarded then
 likewise they have little call for recompense.

 3.   Elance is a mediator company I understand, so that they are
 there to protect both parties from each other should  things go bad (as 
 they
 have). If they have acted in your favour then likewise there is not much 
 the
 Indians can do otherwise sue Elance.



 Your position -  pretty safe.  Just make sure that your client
 understands the reasons for dropping the Indians (with examples if
 possible) and that they are just harassing. If you also have documented
 emails and details between yourself and the Indians re quality of work then
 this only strengthens your case.



 Good luck, and take a good breath.

 Dave





>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Liam McLennan.
>>>
>>> l...@eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
>>> http://www.eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[mike smith]

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Connors  wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>>
>> Probably get the phone and plan separately.  With Android at least,
>> you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them
>> rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware.
>
> You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root your
> phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and
> Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month.
> Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e. everyone
> in the world gets it on day one).

Inclined to agree, but Google go close with their own models.
NexusOne, etc - it deployed 2.3.4 this month.  When it falls
apart[1](no sign so far), or I get tired of it I'll keep buying Nexus
series.

http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-google-nexus-s.html  or its successor?

[1] It's holding together fairly well, I've got a silicone holster
type cover that leaves the screen exposed, and use the clear covers on
that.  A minor quibble is that occasionally the touch screen goes out
of alignment, but a on-off (not a power recycle) fixes that.  Could be
the clear screen cover I guess.



> --
> David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
> Software Engineer
> Codify Pty Ltd
> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
> 189 363
> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>
>



-- 
Meski

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[David Connors]

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith  wrote:

> Probably get the phone and plan separately.  With Android at least,
> you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them
> rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware.
>

You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root your
phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and
Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month.

Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e. everyone
in the world gets it on day one).

-- 
*David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
Software Engineer
Codify Pty Ltd
Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
189 363
V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[mike smith]

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:01 AM, DotNet Dude  wrote:
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Chris Walsh  wrote:
>> Reception and 3G speed.  The Telstra NextG network kills anything available
>> in Australia
>>

++

Probably get the phone and plan separately.  With Android at least,
you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them
rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware.

>
> Yep you pay more with Telstra but get a way better service. I've also
> found the Vodaphone,3 and Optus mobile boradband to be an absolute
> joke compared to Telstra
>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> 
>> From: Stephen Liedig
>> Sent: 23 May 2011 19:12
>> To: ozDotNet
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans
>>
>> Why would you stay away from Vodafone or Optus? Are they no good?
>>
>> On 23 May 2011 11:06, Chris Walsh  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you don't want a massive screen, go with the HTC Mozart on Telstra.
>>> Good pricing around the $49 plan as well, otherwise the HD7 is a good
>>> choice.  I would stay away from Vodafone and Optus though.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>> 
>>> From: Stephen Liedig
>>> Sent: Monday, 23 May 2011 12:44
>>> To: ozDotNet
>>> Subject: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> have recently returned from spending a couple of years in the uk and
>>> wanted some advice / suggestions on Windows Phone 7 mobile devices and
>>> plans. Have been with Vodafone previously and they seemed ok, but there WP7
>>> offerings are pretty slim. Can anyone suggest a decent carrier/phone? Was
>>> looking at the HD7 from Telstra the other day but almost fainted when I
>>> heard the price!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steve
>>
>



-- 
Meski

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[DotNet Dude]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Chris Walsh  wrote:
> Reception and 3G speed.  The Telstra NextG network kills anything available
> in Australia
>

Yep you pay more with Telstra but get a way better service. I've also
found the Vodaphone,3 and Optus mobile boradband to be an absolute
joke compared to Telstra

> Sent from my Windows Phone
> 
> From: Stephen Liedig
> Sent: 23 May 2011 19:12
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans
>
> Why would you stay away from Vodafone or Optus? Are they no good?
>
> On 23 May 2011 11:06, Chris Walsh  wrote:
>>
>> If you don't want a massive screen, go with the HTC Mozart on Telstra.
>> Good pricing around the $49 plan as well, otherwise the HD7 is a good
>> choice.  I would stay away from Vodafone and Optus though.
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> 
>> From: Stephen Liedig
>> Sent: Monday, 23 May 2011 12:44
>> To: ozDotNet
>> Subject: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans
>>
>> Hello all,
>> have recently returned from spending a couple of years in the uk and
>> wanted some advice / suggestions on Windows Phone 7 mobile devices and
>> plans. Have been with Vodafone previously and they seemed ok, but there WP7
>> offerings are pretty slim. Can anyone suggest a decent carrier/phone? Was
>> looking at the HD7 from Telstra the other day but almost fainted when I
>> heard the price!
>> Cheers,
>> Steve
>

Re: Help I'm being threatened.

[Grant Molloy]

This sounds like their game plan from the start..
I would suggest informing eLance about these people, so they don't repeat on
another poor sucker.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Michael Ridland  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I get onto my computer this afternoon and I have found that the company had
> started publicly harassing me via social media.
>
> The reason I disputed was for a moral reason, in that I felt they
> dishonored their agreement and shouldn't have promised on something they
> couldn't deliver. It was never about the money for me, I have money to pay
> for services.
>
> Since they wouldn't leave me alone, I ended up giving them a payment. I
> didn't want to have myself get into a public debated over a disagreement, I
> didn't want my reputation to be tarnished by this incident which was such a
> small sum.
>
> Maybe this was weak?
>
> I'm just happy for it to be over, disaster project. Some nights I was up
> between 1-4am fixing up issues they introduced, so it would be good for the
> client morning.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Liam McLennan wrote:
>
>> >   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
>>
>> Since you have not paid them you cannot use any of their work - that would
>> be stealing.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, David Boccabella <
>> davidboccabe...@anubis-systems.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok – to clarify the situation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your client (the domain owner) approached you – a contractor – to do some
>>> work i.e. Build a website
>>>
>>> You then subcontracted another group – the Indians – to do some of the
>>> work for you and they did not deliver.
>>>
>>> And they are now threatening your client.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Firstly – as the Indians had no direct contact with your client NOR was
>>> there any agreement directly between them and your client – there is nothing
>>> they can do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any court of law would drop this immediately as the case would be between
>>> yourself and the Indians. And as such you have a good reason (Backed by
>>> Elance’s refund) for cancelling the
>>>
>>> Contract between you and the Indians.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So – Inform your client of the reason that you dropped the Indians from
>>> doing the work (you had the clients best interests at heart and the quality
>>> was not there), and that the Indians are trying to harass you into paying
>>> them for nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If really push comes to shove (and we are talking big courts here which I
>>> seriously doubt that the Indians can afford to do) these questions may need
>>> to be asked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.   Who owns the copyright on the logo’s and the web design
>>> (usually the client or you unless you have asked the Indians to develop this
>>> from scratch)
>>>
>>> 2.   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
>>> (Although it MAY look the same – if there is significant changes to the
>>> functionality of the web page and/or coding) since if you can show that most
>>> of their content was deemed unacceptable in quality and was discarded then
>>> likewise they have little call for recompense.
>>>
>>> 3.   Elance is a mediator company I understand, so that they are
>>> there to protect both parties from each other should  things go bad (as they
>>> have). If they have acted in your favour then likewise there is not much the
>>> Indians can do otherwise sue Elance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your position -  pretty safe.  Just make sure that your client
>>> understands the reasons for dropping the Indians (with examples if
>>> possible) and that they are just harassing. If you also have documented
>>> emails and details between yourself and the Indians re quality of work then
>>> this only strengthens your case.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck, and take a good breath.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Liam McLennan.
>>
>> l...@eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
>> http://www.eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[Stephen Liedig]

Cheers Chris, I will keep that in mind making my decision.


On 23 May 2011 17:31, Chris Walsh  wrote:

>  Reception and 3G speed.  The Telstra NextG network kills anything
> available in Australia
>
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> --
> From: Stephen Liedig
> Sent: 23 May 2011 19:12
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans
>
>
> Why would you stay away from Vodafone or Optus? Are they no good?
>
> On 23 May 2011 11:06, Chris Walsh  wrote:
>
>>  If you don't want a massive screen, go with the HTC Mozart on Telstra.
>> Good pricing around the $49 plan as well, otherwise the HD7 is a good
>> choice.  I would stay away from Vodafone and Optus though.
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> --
>> From: Stephen Liedig
>> Sent: Monday, 23 May 2011 12:44
>> To: ozDotNet
>> Subject: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>  have recently returned from spending a couple of years in the uk and
>> wanted some advice / suggestions on Windows Phone 7 mobile devices and
>> plans. Have been with Vodafone previously and they seemed ok, but there WP7
>> offerings are pretty slim. Can anyone suggest a decent carrier/phone? Was
>> looking at the HD7 from Telstra the other day but almost fainted when I
>> heard the price!
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>  Steve
>>
>
>

RE: Help I'm being threatened.

[Anthony]

What sort of money are we talking here..i had the same situation on
elance..i didn't pay and they didn't harass me..if they did ..i still won't
pay!

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Michael Ridland
Sent: Monday, 23 May 2011 10:45 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Help I'm being threatened.

 

for the client in the morning.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Michael Ridland  wrote:

Hi

I get onto my computer this afternoon and I have found that the company had
started publicly harassing me via social media. 

The reason I disputed was for a moral reason, in that I felt they dishonored
their agreement and shouldn't have promised on something they couldn't
deliver. It was never about the money for me, I have money to pay for
services. 

Since they wouldn't leave me alone, I ended up giving them a payment. I
didn't want to have myself get into a public debated over a disagreement, I
didn't want my reputation to be tarnished by this incident which was such a
small sum.

Maybe this was weak?

I'm just happy for it to be over, disaster project. Some nights I was up
between 1-4am fixing up issues they introduced, so it would be good for the
client morning.

Michael






On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Liam McLennan 
wrote:

>   How much of the Indian's content is in the completed web page

 

Since you have not paid them you cannot use any of their work - that would
be stealing. 

 

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, David Boccabella
 wrote:

Ok - to clarify the situation

 

Your client (the domain owner) approached you - a contractor - to do some
work i.e. Build a website

You then subcontracted another group - the Indians - to do some of the work
for you and they did not deliver.

And they are now threatening your client.

 

Firstly - as the Indians had no direct contact with your client NOR was
there any agreement directly between them and your client - there is nothing
they can do.  

 

Any court of law would drop this immediately as the case would be between
yourself and the Indians. And as such you have a good reason (Backed by
Elance's refund) for cancelling the 

Contract between you and the Indians.

 

So - Inform your client of the reason that you dropped the Indians from
doing the work (you had the clients best interests at heart and the quality
was not there), and that the Indians are trying to harass you into paying
them for nothing. 

 

If really push comes to shove (and we are talking big courts here which I
seriously doubt that the Indians can afford to do) these questions may need
to be asked.

 

1.   Who owns the copyright on the logo's and the web design (usually
the client or you unless you have asked the Indians to develop this from
scratch)

2.   How much of the Indian's content is in the completed web page
(Although it MAY look the same - if there is significant changes to the
functionality of the web page and/or coding) since if you can show that most
of their content was deemed unacceptable in quality and was discarded then
likewise they have little call for recompense.

3.   Elance is a mediator company I understand, so that they are there
to protect both parties from each other should  things go bad (as they
have). If they have acted in your favour then likewise there is not much the
Indians can do otherwise sue Elance.

 

Your position -  pretty safe.  Just make sure that your client understands
the reasons for dropping the Indians (with examples if  possible) and that
they are just harassing. If you also have documented emails and details
between yourself and the Indians re quality of work then this only
strengthens your case.

 

Good luck, and take a good breath. 

Dave

 

 





-- 
Liam McLennan.

l...@eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
http://www.eclipsewebsolutions.com.au

 

 

Re: Help I'm being threatened.

[Michael Ridland]

for the client in the morning.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Michael Ridland  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I get onto my computer this afternoon and I have found that the company had
> started publicly harassing me via social media.
>
> The reason I disputed was for a moral reason, in that I felt they
> dishonored their agreement and shouldn't have promised on something they
> couldn't deliver. It was never about the money for me, I have money to pay
> for services.
>
> Since they wouldn't leave me alone, I ended up giving them a payment. I
> didn't want to have myself get into a public debated over a disagreement, I
> didn't want my reputation to be tarnished by this incident which was such a
> small sum.
>
> Maybe this was weak?
>
> I'm just happy for it to be over, disaster project. Some nights I was up
> between 1-4am fixing up issues they introduced, so it would be good for the
> client morning.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Liam McLennan wrote:
>
>> >   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
>>
>> Since you have not paid them you cannot use any of their work - that would
>> be stealing.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, David Boccabella <
>> davidboccabe...@anubis-systems.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok – to clarify the situation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your client (the domain owner) approached you – a contractor – to do some
>>> work i.e. Build a website
>>>
>>> You then subcontracted another group – the Indians – to do some of the
>>> work for you and they did not deliver.
>>>
>>> And they are now threatening your client.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Firstly – as the Indians had no direct contact with your client NOR was
>>> there any agreement directly between them and your client – there is nothing
>>> they can do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any court of law would drop this immediately as the case would be between
>>> yourself and the Indians. And as such you have a good reason (Backed by
>>> Elance’s refund) for cancelling the
>>>
>>> Contract between you and the Indians.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So – Inform your client of the reason that you dropped the Indians from
>>> doing the work (you had the clients best interests at heart and the quality
>>> was not there), and that the Indians are trying to harass you into paying
>>> them for nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If really push comes to shove (and we are talking big courts here which I
>>> seriously doubt that the Indians can afford to do) these questions may need
>>> to be asked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.   Who owns the copyright on the logo’s and the web design
>>> (usually the client or you unless you have asked the Indians to develop this
>>> from scratch)
>>>
>>> 2.   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
>>> (Although it MAY look the same – if there is significant changes to the
>>> functionality of the web page and/or coding) since if you can show that most
>>> of their content was deemed unacceptable in quality and was discarded then
>>> likewise they have little call for recompense.
>>>
>>> 3.   Elance is a mediator company I understand, so that they are
>>> there to protect both parties from each other should  things go bad (as they
>>> have). If they have acted in your favour then likewise there is not much the
>>> Indians can do otherwise sue Elance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your position -  pretty safe.  Just make sure that your client
>>> understands the reasons for dropping the Indians (with examples if
>>> possible) and that they are just harassing. If you also have documented
>>> emails and details between yourself and the Indians re quality of work then
>>> this only strengthens your case.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck, and take a good breath.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Liam McLennan.
>>
>> l...@eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
>> http://www.eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
>>
>
>

Re: Help I'm being threatened.

[Michael Ridland]

Hi

I get onto my computer this afternoon and I have found that the company had
started publicly harassing me via social media.

The reason I disputed was for a moral reason, in that I felt they dishonored
their agreement and shouldn't have promised on something they couldn't
deliver. It was never about the money for me, I have money to pay for
services.

Since they wouldn't leave me alone, I ended up giving them a payment. I
didn't want to have myself get into a public debated over a disagreement, I
didn't want my reputation to be tarnished by this incident which was such a
small sum.

Maybe this was weak?

I'm just happy for it to be over, disaster project. Some nights I was up
between 1-4am fixing up issues they introduced, so it would be good for the
client morning.

Michael



On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Liam McLennan wrote:

> >   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
>
> Since you have not paid them you cannot use any of their work - that would
> be stealing.
>
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, David Boccabella <
> davidboccabe...@anubis-systems.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok – to clarify the situation
>>
>>
>>
>> Your client (the domain owner) approached you – a contractor – to do some
>> work i.e. Build a website
>>
>> You then subcontracted another group – the Indians – to do some of the
>> work for you and they did not deliver.
>>
>> And they are now threatening your client.
>>
>>
>>
>> Firstly – as the Indians had no direct contact with your client NOR was
>> there any agreement directly between them and your client – there is nothing
>> they can do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any court of law would drop this immediately as the case would be between
>> yourself and the Indians. And as such you have a good reason (Backed by
>> Elance’s refund) for cancelling the
>>
>> Contract between you and the Indians.
>>
>>
>>
>> So – Inform your client of the reason that you dropped the Indians from
>> doing the work (you had the clients best interests at heart and the quality
>> was not there), and that the Indians are trying to harass you into paying
>> them for nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> If really push comes to shove (and we are talking big courts here which I
>> seriously doubt that the Indians can afford to do) these questions may need
>> to be asked.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.   Who owns the copyright on the logo’s and the web design (usually
>> the client or you unless you have asked the Indians to develop this from
>> scratch)
>>
>> 2.   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
>> (Although it MAY look the same – if there is significant changes to the
>> functionality of the web page and/or coding) since if you can show that most
>> of their content was deemed unacceptable in quality and was discarded then
>> likewise they have little call for recompense.
>>
>> 3.   Elance is a mediator company I understand, so that they are
>> there to protect both parties from each other should  things go bad (as they
>> have). If they have acted in your favour then likewise there is not much the
>> Indians can do otherwise sue Elance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your position -  pretty safe.  Just make sure that your client understands
>> the reasons for dropping the Indians (with examples if  possible) and that
>> they are just harassing. If you also have documented emails and details
>> between yourself and the Indians re quality of work then this only
>> strengthens your case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck, and take a good breath.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Liam McLennan.
>
> l...@eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
> http://www.eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
>

Re: Help I'm being threatened.

[Liam McLennan]

>   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page

Since you have not paid them you cannot use any of their work - that would
be stealing.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, David Boccabella <
davidboccabe...@anubis-systems.com> wrote:

> Ok – to clarify the situation
>
>
>
> Your client (the domain owner) approached you – a contractor – to do some
> work i.e. Build a website
>
> You then subcontracted another group – the Indians – to do some of the work
> for you and they did not deliver.
>
> And they are now threatening your client.
>
>
>
> Firstly – as the Indians had no direct contact with your client NOR was
> there any agreement directly between them and your client – there is nothing
> they can do.
>
>
>
> Any court of law would drop this immediately as the case would be between
> yourself and the Indians. And as such you have a good reason (Backed by
> Elance’s refund) for cancelling the
>
> Contract between you and the Indians.
>
>
>
> So – Inform your client of the reason that you dropped the Indians from
> doing the work (you had the clients best interests at heart and the quality
> was not there), and that the Indians are trying to harass you into paying
> them for nothing.
>
>
>
> If really push comes to shove (and we are talking big courts here which I
> seriously doubt that the Indians can afford to do) these questions may need
> to be asked.
>
>
>
> 1.   Who owns the copyright on the logo’s and the web design (usually
> the client or you unless you have asked the Indians to develop this from
> scratch)
>
> 2.   How much of the Indian’s content is in the completed web page
> (Although it MAY look the same – if there is significant changes to the
> functionality of the web page and/or coding) since if you can show that most
> of their content was deemed unacceptable in quality and was discarded then
> likewise they have little call for recompense.
>
> 3.   Elance is a mediator company I understand, so that they are there
> to protect both parties from each other should  things go bad (as they
> have). If they have acted in your favour then likewise there is not much the
> Indians can do otherwise sue Elance.
>
>
>
> Your position -  pretty safe.  Just make sure that your client understands
> the reasons for dropping the Indians (with examples if  possible) and that
> they are just harassing. If you also have documented emails and details
> between yourself and the Indians re quality of work then this only
> strengthens your case.
>
>
>
> Good luck, and take a good breath.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Liam McLennan.

l...@eclipsewebsolutions.com.au
http://www.eclipsewebsolutions.com.au

RE: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[Chris Walsh]

Reception and 3G speed.  The Telstra NextG network kills anything available in 
Australia

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Stephen Liedig
Sent: 23 May 2011 19:12
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

Why would you stay away from Vodafone or Optus? Are they no good?

On 23 May 2011 11:06, Chris Walsh mailto:ch...@walshie.me>> 
wrote:
If you don't want a massive screen, go with the HTC Mozart on Telstra.  Good 
pricing around the $49 plan as well, otherwise the HD7 is a good choice.  I 
would stay away from Vodafone and Optus though.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Stephen Liedig
Sent: Monday, 23 May 2011 12:44
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans


Hello all,

have recently returned from spending a couple of years in the uk and wanted 
some advice / suggestions on Windows Phone 7 mobile devices and plans. Have 
been with Vodafone previously and they seemed ok, but there WP7 offerings are 
pretty slim. Can anyone suggest a decent carrier/phone? Was looking at the HD7 
from Telstra the other day but almost fainted when I heard the price!

Cheers,

Steve

Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans

[Stephen Liedig]

Why would you stay away from Vodafone or Optus? Are they no good?

On 23 May 2011 11:06, Chris Walsh  wrote:

>  If you don't want a massive screen, go with the HTC Mozart on Telstra.
> Good pricing around the $49 plan as well, otherwise the HD7 is a good
> choice.  I would stay away from Vodafone and Optus though.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> --
> From: Stephen Liedig
> Sent: Monday, 23 May 2011 12:44
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: [OT] Windows Phone 7 & Plans
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>  have recently returned from spending a couple of years in the uk and
> wanted some advice / suggestions on Windows Phone 7 mobile devices and
> plans. Have been with Vodafone previously and they seemed ok, but there WP7
> offerings are pretty slim. Can anyone suggest a decent carrier/phone? Was
> looking at the HD7 from Telstra the other day but almost fainted when I
> heard the price!
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Steve
>

RE: Help I'm being threatened.

[David Boccabella]

Ok - to clarify the situation

 

Your client (the domain owner) approached you - a contractor - to do some
work i.e. Build a website

You then subcontracted another group - the Indians - to do some of the work
for you and they did not deliver.

And they are now threatening your client.

 

Firstly - as the Indians had no direct contact with your client NOR was
there any agreement directly between them and your client - there is nothing
they can do.  

 

Any court of law would drop this immediately as the case would be between
yourself and the Indians. And as such you have a good reason (Backed by
Elance's refund) for cancelling the 

Contract between you and the Indians.

 

So - Inform your client of the reason that you dropped the Indians from
doing the work (you had the clients best interests at heart and the quality
was not there), and that the Indians are trying to harass you into paying
them for nothing. 

 

If really push comes to shove (and we are talking big courts here which I
seriously doubt that the Indians can afford to do) these questions may need
to be asked.

 

1.   Who owns the copyright on the logo's and the web design (usually
the client or you unless you have asked the Indians to develop this from
scratch)

2.   How much of the Indian's content is in the completed web page
(Although it MAY look the same - if there is significant changes to the
functionality of the web page and/or coding) since if you can show that most
of their content was deemed unacceptable in quality and was discarded then
likewise they have little call for recompense.

3.   Elance is a mediator company I understand, so that they are there
to protect both parties from each other should  things go bad (as they
have). If they have acted in your favour then likewise there is not much the
Indians can do otherwise sue Elance.

 

Your position -  pretty safe.  Just make sure that your client understands
the reasons for dropping the Indians (with examples if  possible) and that
they are just harassing. If you also have documented emails and details
between yourself and the Indians re quality of work then this only
strengthens your case.

 

Good luck, and take a good breath. 

Dave