RE: [OT] New PC no video
Could it be that someone’s already had a play with the board? Seems like an odd configuration, and if it were normal, I’d guess that it’d be the #1-10 hits on Google as every man and his dog would be running into the same problem. Also, just a thought, if the board supports Intel vPro, then the AMT feature would allow someone to reconfigure the BIOS over the LAN, thus getting around the Catch 22 situation you describe. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2016 6:04 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] New PC no video My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the motherboard, so in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked. Then in the BIOS screen he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally has to be the default), after which it works without the video card. So how stupid is that?! A perfect Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to work until you get the video working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock board come out of the factory with the wrong settings -- GK On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>> wrote: We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- GK That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these new MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a useful fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a pattern of LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board). Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
Re: [OT] New PC no video
We used to write code to play tunes on drum printers - nice and loud The most hard core lady from HP product group that I ever met when working there, could walk up to one of our green screen terminals and, from memory, enter enough machine code to make it play a car game. She'd spent way too much time in Terminals Division. Regards Greg Dr Greg Low SQL Down Under +61 419201410 1300SQLSQL (1300775775) On 23 Jan 2016, at 7:45 PM, Greg Keogh mailto:gfke...@gmail.com>> wrote: I do not think it would be as valid today with much faster clock speeds. Oh yeah, processors are so fast now, that only a dog would be able to hear the supersonic squeals of the boot sequence. But seriously, I have a 1982 vintage Sansui G-3500 tuner-amplifier on my desk, and when I have the volume way up I can hear the squawking from my work PC as it does intensive work like saving an mp3 file or doing bulk batch builds. I've never tried to correlate the sounds to the workload, but I'm sure it's an art form waiting to be discovered. In 1977 I was told by a Honeywell engineer that one of his colleagues wrote an assembler program on punch cards that could be IPLd (booted) and would play a sequence of musical notes by moving multiple tape drive heads back and forth at certain speeds. In never saw it, but I never doubted it was true. GK
Re: [OT] New PC no video
> > I do not think it would be as valid today with much faster clock speeds. > Oh yeah, processors are so fast now, that only a dog would be able to hear the supersonic squeals of the boot sequence. But seriously, I have a 1982 vintage Sansui G-3500 tuner-amplifier on my desk, and when I have the volume way up I can hear the squawking from my work PC as it does intensive work like saving an mp3 file or doing bulk batch builds. I've never tried to correlate the sounds to the workload, but I'm sure it's an art form waiting to be discovered. In 1977 I was told by a Honeywell engineer that one of his colleagues wrote an assembler program on punch cards that could be IPLd (booted) and would play a sequence of musical notes by moving multiple tape drive heads back and forth at certain speeds. In never saw it, but I never doubted it was true. *GK*
Re: [OT] New PC no video
Hi Greg, Warning tangent alert... Back in the day (early 80's) one of my mates to test the boot process of a new machine, would set his transistor radio going next to the machine. It would be totally off station so as just to hear static. Then as the machine boots, you listen to the RF interference. As the machine executes different parts of the boot sequence there were clear changes in the tone. (memory checks are long sequence of the same tone, other processes are all over the place, nothing is nothing) You need to know the sound of a healthy boot to recognise an unhealthy boot. I thought he was mad until I saw it! I do not think it would be as valid today with much faster clock speeds. This was on machines based on M6800 CPUs ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6800). Regards Greg On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, DotNet Dude wrote: > Glad it's explainable at least. Would hate to have it magically work > suddenly > > On Saturday, 23 January 2016, Greg Keogh wrote: > >> My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the >> confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the >> motherboard, so in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked. >> Then in the BIOS screen he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally >> has to be the default), after which it works without the video card. So how >> stupid is that?! A perfect Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to >> work until you get the video working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock >> board come out of the factory with the wrong settings -- *GK* >> >> On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas wrote: >> >>> We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- *GK* >>> >>> That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these >>> new MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a >>> useful fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a >>> pattern of LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board). >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian Thomas >>> >>> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia >>> >>> >>> >> >>
Re: [OT] New PC no video
> > Weird. > Yeah, just like writing software. You don't know why it doesn't work and then don't know why it does work. What CPU did you get? Is the RAM DDR3 or DDR4? Some boards can run both > types. > > Asus mainboards boast of “audio aficionado” quality chips for > sound/multimedia. My current years-old Asus board has HDMI and display port > but I don’t make use of its better features. > I think this H170 board only takes DD4 (I got 2x8GB). The processor is the lowest end i7, but it should be great for development (I have no need or interest in high-performance for gaming). This is my first new PC for about 4 years, which is a long time in dog years! The current old one is working generally well except for one thing ... *NOISE*. So the fanciest part of the new PC is the case, which is padded like a Mercedes muffler, hopefully giving me virtual silence. The old PC was nearly silent at first, but over the years the whining and humming increased and on a hot day the CPU fan whines up like a leaf blower. I could replace the fans and stuff, but it's so old that it's time for a whole new modern box. Now I'm sweating blood worried that the new case and parts won't live up to their promise of being quiet as a mouse. This leads me to wonder ... I have an iMac here which is as powerful as my new PC, and it's as silent as a cold brick, with no moving parts, even on hot days. So why do I have to get a $140 case to act as a glorified muffler around the new PC? It reminds me of something my car mechanic said in front of me 40 years ago when he was dismantling the steering column of a Holden while looking at the manual which said "remove anti-rattle screw". His comment was "if they built this thing right they wouldn't need an anti-rattle screw". *GK*
