Re: DDD Melbourne

[David Burstin]

I think that I wasn't clear. I meant that they staggered the ticket sales
to give more people a chance *because they knew from past experience that
there would be such a shortfall of tickets.* I see nothing unfair about the
staggering.

The part I am upset about is the conscious decision to put on the event in
such a way that there would be a large number of people excluded from
attending. They could have done things differently. The ticket shortfall
was not a surprise - it was either poor planning or deliberate planning.

Anyway, that is enough of a rant from me. Let's get back to talking about
JavaScript ;)




On 20 June 2016 at 15:16, Andrew Tobin  wrote:

> I think that's fairly cynical to think they were trying to exclude people
> - they were actually trying to stagger it so more people had a chance, if
> they were unable to even get to a computer on a single particular day, from
> what I understand.
>
> I hope to see you too - and keep an eye out - there's usually one or two
> folk who can't go at last minute who look to sell a ticket.  At least it
> can work out for those in the area.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:06 PM, David Burstin 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew.
>>
>> Firstly, well done on securing tickets - I hope you have a fantastic day
>> (genuinely, not sarcastic).
>>
>> I hear what you are saying but I must respectfully disagree. Yes, each
>> room requires more management - but the jump from 2 rooms to 3 is bigger
>> than 3 to 4. If the aim is to disseminate knowledge and grow community then
>> these benefits should surely outweigh any management issues. Also, I would
>> suggest that the risk of attendees rushing one session is *reduced* with
>> more rooms.
>>
>> Clearly there was a conscious decision made to exclude a large number of
>> potential attendees, given the staggered approach to ticket sales. I have
>> yet to hear a good reason why that decision was made. Creating scarcity and
>> hype would be fine when selling an exclusive product, but is that really
>> what DDD is about? I have attended for many years and I never thought so.
>>
>> Anyway, enjoy the day and maybe I will see you there next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 June 2016 at 14:53, Andrew Tobin  wrote:
>>
>>> It happens.  We were lucky to get tickets this year, and it was only
>>> allowing 1 per login - but a few of my team got them.
>>>
>>> The thing is, I can understand the organisers not wanting to grow it
>>> bigger, and even if they had more rooms/more sessions - that would require
>>> more management, and the risk that 100% of the people try to rush one
>>> session that is full.
>>>
>>> The other issue is whether it would ruin the feel of the conference if
>>> it were to grow too big and unmanageable... and I get that view...
>>>
>>> It does say something though that each session sold out within the
>>> minute though and longtime attendees didn't even get a chance.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>>
 Given how quickly tickets have gone each week, it is obvious that a
> sizeable proportion of the developer community in Melbourne has missed 
> out.
>

 I also saw these posts and decided to not even bother to try and get a
 ticket. I did plan to email the organisers and suggest they find a venue
 proportional in size to the expected ticket demand to avoid this idiocy. If
 by some fluke tickets do become available without the need for
 embarrassed suffering, then I'd like to get one -- GK

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: DDD Melbourne

[Andrew Tobin]

I think that's fairly cynical to think they were trying to exclude people -
they were actually trying to stagger it so more people had a chance, if
they were unable to even get to a computer on a single particular day, from
what I understand.

I hope to see you too - and keep an eye out - there's usually one or two
folk who can't go at last minute who look to sell a ticket.  At least it
can work out for those in the area.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:06 PM, David Burstin 
wrote:

> Hi Andrew.
>
> Firstly, well done on securing tickets - I hope you have a fantastic day
> (genuinely, not sarcastic).
>
> I hear what you are saying but I must respectfully disagree. Yes, each
> room requires more management - but the jump from 2 rooms to 3 is bigger
> than 3 to 4. If the aim is to disseminate knowledge and grow community then
> these benefits should surely outweigh any management issues. Also, I would
> suggest that the risk of attendees rushing one session is *reduced* with
> more rooms.
>
> Clearly there was a conscious decision made to exclude a large number of
> potential attendees, given the staggered approach to ticket sales. I have
> yet to hear a good reason why that decision was made. Creating scarcity and
> hype would be fine when selling an exclusive product, but is that really
> what DDD is about? I have attended for many years and I never thought so.
>
> Anyway, enjoy the day and maybe I will see you there next year.
>
>
>
> On 20 June 2016 at 14:53, Andrew Tobin  wrote:
>
>> It happens.  We were lucky to get tickets this year, and it was only
>> allowing 1 per login - but a few of my team got them.
>>
>> The thing is, I can understand the organisers not wanting to grow it
>> bigger, and even if they had more rooms/more sessions - that would require
>> more management, and the risk that 100% of the people try to rush one
>> session that is full.
>>
>> The other issue is whether it would ruin the feel of the conference if it
>> were to grow too big and unmanageable... and I get that view...
>>
>> It does say something though that each session sold out within the minute
>> though and longtime attendees didn't even get a chance.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>
>>> Given how quickly tickets have gone each week, it is obvious that a
 sizeable proportion of the developer community in Melbourne has missed out.

>>>
>>> I also saw these posts and decided to not even bother to try and get a
>>> ticket. I did plan to email the organisers and suggest they find a venue
>>> proportional in size to the expected ticket demand to avoid this idiocy. If
>>> by some fluke tickets do become available without the need for
>>> embarrassed suffering, then I'd like to get one -- GK
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: DDD Melbourne

[Bec C]

Haha burnt ticket then... you'll eventually have to cave in Greg :p

On Monday, 20 June 2016, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Yes, I know quite a few people who didn't even bother - which is a real
>> shame as they are passionate developers (though none are as passionate as
>> GK - Greg I would give you an honorary ticket if I could).
>>
>
> You're very kind. However, I'll burn my ticket if any presentation uses
> JavaScript ;-)
>

Re: DDD Melbourne

[Greg Keogh]

>
> Yes, I know quite a few people who didn't even bother - which is a real
> shame as they are passionate developers (though none are as passionate as
> GK - Greg I would give you an honorary ticket if I could).
>

You're very kind. However, I'll burn my ticket if any presentation uses
JavaScript ;-)

Re: DDD Melbourne

[Tony Wright]

Well, there are a sizeable number of tickets allocated to the sponsors.
Perhaps we need to set up another conference: not the DDD.
On 20 Jun 2016 2:06 PM, "David Burstin"  wrote:

> 
>
> Missed out again. Again sat refreshing the page. This time I got the magic
> "Register" button, clicked it and it said "join waitlist". This was at
> 2:01pm.
>
> So three weeks in a row unable to get a ticket. Maybe some genius will
> realize that they need a bigger venue next year.
>
> Given how quickly tickets have gone each week, it is obvious that a
> sizeable proportion of the developer community in Melbourne has missed out.
>
> Totally pathetic IMHO
>
> 
>
> On 13 June 2016 at 14:50, David Burela  wrote:
>
>> Missed out today as well.
>> Well here's hoping for the final release next week
>>
>> On 6 June 2016 at 11:11, William Luu  wrote:
>>
>>> There's still 2 rounds of ticket sales to go. The next is on June 13th,
>>> and then 20th. So you still have opportunities to buy tickets from the site.
>>>
>>> On 6 June 2016 at 10:18, David Burstin  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks,

 Did anyone manage to get tickets for DDD? I was on the site refreshing
 every 5 seconds from 9:58. At 10:00 the ticket status changed from not on
 sale to unavailable! Looks like everyone had a sniper set or something.

 So, if anyone has a spare ticket then please let me know.

 Cheers
 Dave

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: DDD Melbourne

[David Burstin]

Missed out again. Again sat refreshing the page. This time I got the magic
"Register" button, clicked it and it said "join waitlist". This was at
2:01pm.

So three weeks in a row unable to get a ticket. Maybe some genius will
realize that they need a bigger venue next year.

Given how quickly tickets have gone each week, it is obvious that a
sizeable proportion of the developer community in Melbourne has missed out.

Totally pathetic IMHO



On 13 June 2016 at 14:50, David Burela  wrote:

> Missed out today as well.
> Well here's hoping for the final release next week
>
> On 6 June 2016 at 11:11, William Luu  wrote:
>
>> There's still 2 rounds of ticket sales to go. The next is on June 13th,
>> and then 20th. So you still have opportunities to buy tickets from the site.
>>
>> On 6 June 2016 at 10:18, David Burstin  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Did anyone manage to get tickets for DDD? I was on the site refreshing
>>> every 5 seconds from 9:58. At 10:00 the ticket status changed from not on
>>> sale to unavailable! Looks like everyone had a sniper set or something.
>>>
>>> So, if anyone has a spare ticket then please let me know.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>>
>