RE: Creating a browser-based product

[Ken Schaefer]

Well, I guess from VMWare’s PoV – they weren’t consulted or involved, have no 
idea how the thing was built, so why would you commit to supporting or 
certifying it?

On the other hand, there’s various other parties that involved VMWare formally, 
and their platforms are certified – AWS and IBM spring to mind:
https://cloud.vmware.com/vmc-aws
https://www.ibm.com/cloud/vmware


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 24 November 2017 8:59 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Creating a browser-based product

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/microsofts-vmware-azure-stack-neither-certified-nor-supported-478352?eid=1=20171124_source=20171124_AM_medium=newsletter_campaign=daily_newsletter

But yeah, VMware would say that, I guess.

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:12 PM, David Connors 
> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 12:43 Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
I haven’t seen the latest list, but my current (and previous two) employer was 
on the list a couple of years ago. And whilst we can probably get hardware 
pretty cheap, that’s not the bulk of the cost of running something on-premise. 
Talking about hardware costs is talking about the wrong thing. I’m not saying 
that cloud is cheaper (it probably isn’t), but it gives you agility and 
flexibility, and time-is-money.

Correct; and I have come to be 180 degree opposed to where I was on cloud 5-6 
years ago.

It is very easy for the anti-cloud people to point to a piece of tin and say 
'that hardware was $400K and it lasts us 3-4 years'. It is much harder to point 
to all of the operational staff costs, downtime from hardware not being run 
properly, full suites of ops software that are just built into cloud solutions.

I could stand you up a global data centre in Azure with BGP routing and all the 
active fail over DR you want in a couple of hours. Try doing that with tin and 
wan service providers.

The article says:
"First and foremost, Fortune 500-size corporations that can’t negotiate pricing 
for servers and storage comparable to what Amazon and Microsoft pay for the 
gear they use to run AWS and Azure just aren’t trying very hard. They have 
access to the same technology management tools, practices, and talent, too."

Which is just bullshit for IaaS and REALLY bullshit for PaaS solutions like 
Azure SQL Database.

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Re: Creating a browser-based product

[mike smith]

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/microsofts-vmware-azure-stack-neither-certified-nor-supported-478352?eid=1=20171124_source=20171124_AM_medium=newsletter_campaign=daily_newsletter

But yeah, VMware would say that, I guess.


On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:12 PM, David Connors  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 12:43 Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
>> I haven’t seen the latest list, but my current (and previous two)
>> employer was on the list a couple of years ago. And whilst we can probably
>> get hardware pretty cheap, that’s not the bulk of the cost of running
>> something on-premise. Talking about hardware costs is talking about the
>> wrong thing. I’m not saying that cloud is cheaper (it probably isn’t), but
>> it gives you agility and flexibility, and time-is-money.
>>
>
> Correct; and I have come to be 180 degree opposed to where I was on cloud
> 5-6 years ago.
>
> It is very easy for the anti-cloud people to point to a piece of tin and
> say 'that hardware was $400K and it lasts us 3-4 years'. It is much harder
> to point to all of the operational staff costs, downtime from hardware not
> being run properly, full suites of ops software that are just built into
> cloud solutions.
>
> I could stand you up a global data centre in Azure with BGP routing and
> all the active fail over DR you want in a couple of hours. Try doing that
> with tin and wan service providers.
>
> The article says:
> *"First and foremost, Fortune 500-size corporations that can’t negotiate
> pricing for servers and storage comparable to what Amazon and Microsoft pay
> for the gear they use to run AWS and Azure just aren’t trying very hard.
> They have access to the same technology management tools, practices, and
> talent, too."*
>
> Which is just bullshit for IaaS and REALLY bullshit for PaaS solutions
> like Azure SQL Database.
>
> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | https://t.me/davidconnors | LinkedIn
>  | +61 417 189 363
>



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