Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Greg Keogh]

>
> That's what I was thinking.
> Could be a return or similar.
>
> Was the box all sealed when you got it?
>
> I've had an issue with a mobo before where I couldn't boot it. It turned
> out the bios version wasn't compatible with my ram, but  elevated version
> was.
>

Hello from my new PC! As I type, I'm installing VS2015, which is a fragile
experience because it seems to stall sometimes for hours, and I come back
and do something like cancel the install or reboot, and it redraws the
window and tells me it's finished okay. Some peculiar timing or rendering
"bug" there perhaps, but I've just overlooked it and never bothered to
search or ask about it.

Everything seemed to be nicely sealed, so I certainly hope they were virgin
parts. My friend did update the BIOS after he got the video working, but it
just adds another layer to the confusion about what on earth caused the
video to be initially dead.

The video misery isn't over, as the mobo doesn't support the 2560x1440 of
my DELL 2711 monitor and Whirlpool discussions explain all this and hint
that I will certainly need a video card. The details are boring and
depressing, but it's a tragedy that in this day and age I still have to use
a separate video card (more parts and noise). I get the impression the
standards about video aren't too standard.

The weirdest things are happening though, like the EPSON scanner dialog
pops-up and all of the text in the modal dialog are question marks ??,
so I guess there is some Unicode problem, but you can't make this shit up.
My wife asked me "what do normal people do to get a new PC working
properly", I said "I just don't know, I guess they finish up with a
non-optimal partly working mess full of bloatware, toolbars, shortcuts,
useless services and icons and they don't know any better". A strong
argument for an iMac and the Apple Store and it's vetting process.

*GK*

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Les Hughes]

+1. It's not new.

If you want to test the theory, reset the bios to factory default, and 
see what the video defaults to.


Cheers,
Les

On 24/01/16 16:23, Ken Schaefer wrote:

Could it be that someone’s already had a play with the board? Seems like
an odd configuration, and if it were normal, I’d guess that it’d be the
#1-10 hits on Google as every man and his dog would be running into the
same problem.

Also, just a thought, if the board supports Intel vPro, then the AMT
feature would allow someone to reconfigure the BIOS over the LAN, thus
getting around the Catch 22 situation you describe.

*From:*ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
*Sent:* Saturday, 23 January 2016 6:04 PM
*To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
*Subject:* Re: [OT] New PC no video

My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the
confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the
motherboard, so in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked.
Then in the BIOS screen he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally
has to be the default), after which it works without the video card. So
how stupid is that?! A perfect Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video
to work until you get the video working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the
ASRock board come out of the factory with the wrong settings -- /GK/

On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas <il.tho...@outlook.com
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>> wrote:

We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- /GK/

That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with
these new MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was
used as a useful fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s
guide may show a pattern of LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red
lights on the board).

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

RE: [OT] New PC no video

[Grant Molloy]

That's what I was thinking.
Could be a return or similar.

Was the box all sealed when you got it?

I've had an issue with a mobo before where I couldn't boot it. It turned
out the bios version wasn't compatible with my ram, but  elevated version
was.

Grant
On Jan 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ken Schaefer" <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote:

> Could it be that someone’s already had a play with the board? Seems like
> an odd configuration, and if it were normal, I’d guess that it’d be the
> #1-10 hits on Google as every man and his dog would be running into the
> same problem.
>
>
>
> Also, just a thought, if the board supports Intel vPro, then the AMT
> feature would allow someone to reconfigure the BIOS over the LAN, thus
> getting around the Catch 22 situation you describe.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Saturday, 23 January 2016 6:04 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New PC no video
>
>
>
> My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the
> confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the
> motherboard, so in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked.
> Then in the BIOS screen he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally
> has to be the default), after which it works without the video card. So how
> stupid is that?! A perfect Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to
> work until you get the video working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock
> board come out of the factory with the wrong settings -- *GK*
>
>
>
> On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas <il.tho...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- *GK*
>
> That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these
> new MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a
> useful fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a
> pattern of LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).
>
>
>
> Ian Thomas
>
> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Thomas Koster]

On 23 January 2016 at 19:18, Greg Harris 
wrote:

> Warning tangent alert...
>
> Back in the day (early 80's) one of my mates to test the boot process of a
> new machine, would set his transistor radio going next to the machine.
> It would be totally off station so as just to hear static.
> Then as the machine boots, you listen to the RF interference.
> As the machine executes different parts of the boot sequence there were
> clear changes in the tone.
> (memory checks are long sequence of the same tone, other processes are all
> over the place, nothing is nothing)
> You need to know the sound of a healthy boot to recognise an unhealthy
> boot.
>
> I thought he was mad until I saw it!
> I do not think it would be as valid today with much faster clock speeds.
> This was on machines based on M6800 CPUs (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6800).
>

This sounds similar to an unusual feature of the GHC Haskell runtime. From
the user manual:

*4.17.7 RTS options for hackers, debuggers, and over-interested souls*


> These RTS options might be used (a) to avoid a GHC bug, (b) to see “what’s
> really happening”, or (c) because you feel like it.
> Not recommended for everyday use!



-B Sound the bell at the start of each (major) garbage collection.
> Oddly enough, people really do use this option! Our pal in Durham
> (England), Paul Callaghan, writes: “Some people
> here use it for a variety of purposes—honestly!—e.g., confirmation that
> the code/machine is doing something, infinite loop
> detection, gauging cost of recently added code. Certain people can even
> tell what stage [the program] is in by the beep
> pattern. But the major use is for annoying others in the same office. . . ”



 --
Thomas Koster

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Bec C]

"Normal" folk get a mac or a dell and dont build their own ;)

On Sunday, 24 January 2016, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> That's what I was thinking.
>> Could be a return or similar.
>>
>> Was the box all sealed when you got it?
>>
>> I've had an issue with a mobo before where I couldn't boot it. It turned
>> out the bios version wasn't compatible with my ram, but  elevated version
>> was.
>>
>
> Hello from my new PC! As I type, I'm installing VS2015, which is a fragile
> experience because it seems to stall sometimes for hours, and I come back
> and do something like cancel the install or reboot, and it redraws the
> window and tells me it's finished okay. Some peculiar timing or rendering
> "bug" there perhaps, but I've just overlooked it and never bothered to
> search or ask about it.
>
> Everything seemed to be nicely sealed, so I certainly hope they were
> virgin parts. My friend did update the BIOS after he got the video working,
> but it just adds another layer to the confusion about what on earth caused
> the video to be initially dead.
>
> The video misery isn't over, as the mobo doesn't support the 2560x1440 of
> my DELL 2711 monitor and Whirlpool discussions explain all this and hint
> that I will certainly need a video card. The details are boring and
> depressing, but it's a tragedy that in this day and age I still have to use
> a separate video card (more parts and noise). I get the impression the
> standards about video aren't too standard.
>
> The weirdest things are happening though, like the EPSON scanner dialog
> pops-up and all of the text in the modal dialog are question marks ??,
> so I guess there is some Unicode problem, but you can't make this shit up.
> My wife asked me "what do normal people do to get a new PC working
> properly", I said "I just don't know, I guess they finish up with a
> non-optimal partly working mess full of bloatware, toolbars, shortcuts,
> useless services and icons and they don't know any better". A strong
> argument for an iMac and the Apple Store and it's vetting process.
>
> *GK*
>

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Greg Harris]

Hi Greg,

Warning tangent alert...

Back in the day (early 80's) one of my mates to test the boot process of a
new machine, would set his transistor radio going next to the machine.
It would be totally off station so as just to hear static.
Then as the machine boots, you listen to the RF interference.
As the machine executes different parts of the boot sequence there were
clear changes in the tone.
(memory checks are long sequence of the same tone, other processes are all
over the place, nothing is nothing)
You need to know the sound of a healthy boot to recognise an unhealthy boot.

I thought he was mad until I saw it!
I do not think it would be as valid today with much faster clock speeds.
This was on machines based on M6800 CPUs (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6800).

Regards
Greg

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Glad it's explainable at least. Would hate to have it magically work
> suddenly
>
> On Saturday, 23 January 2016, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the
>> confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the
>> motherboard, so in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked.
>> Then in the BIOS screen he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally
>> has to be the default), after which it works without the video card. So how
>> stupid is that?! A perfect Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to
>> work until you get the video working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock
>> board come out of the factory with the wrong settings -- *GK*
>>
>> On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas  wrote:
>>
>>> We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- *GK*
>>>
>>> That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these
>>> new MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a
>>> useful fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a
>>> pattern of LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian Thomas
>>>
>>> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Greg Keogh]

>
> I do not think it would be as valid today with much faster clock speeds.
>

Oh yeah, processors are so fast now, that only a dog would be able to hear
the supersonic squeals of the boot sequence.

But seriously, I have a 1982 vintage Sansui G-3500 tuner-amplifier on my
desk, and when I have the volume way up I can hear the squawking from my
work PC as it does intensive work like saving an mp3 file or doing bulk
batch builds. I've never tried to correlate the sounds to the workload, but
I'm sure it's an art form waiting to be discovered.

In 1977 I was told by a Honeywell engineer that one of his colleagues wrote
an assembler program on punch cards that could be IPLd (booted) and would
play a sequence of musical notes by moving multiple tape drive heads back
and forth at certain speeds. In never saw it, but I never doubted it was
true.

*GK*

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Greg Keogh]

>
> Weird.
>

Yeah, just like writing software. You don't know why it doesn't work and
then don't know why it does work.

What CPU did you get? Is the RAM DDR3 or DDR4? Some boards can run both
> types.
>
> Asus mainboards boast of “audio aficionado” quality chips for
> sound/multimedia. My current years-old Asus board has HDMI and display port
> but I don’t make use of its better features.
>

I think this H170 board only takes DD4 (I got 2x8GB). The processor is the
lowest end i7, but it should be great for development (I have no need or
interest in high-performance for gaming). This is my first new PC for about
4 years, which is a long time in dog years! The current old one is working
generally well except for one thing ... *NOISE*.

So the fanciest part of the new PC is the case, which is padded like a
Mercedes muffler, hopefully giving me virtual silence. The old PC was
nearly silent at first, but over the years the whining and humming
increased and on a hot day the CPU fan whines up like a leaf blower. I
could replace the fans and stuff, but it's so old that it's time for a
whole new modern box. Now I'm sweating blood worried that the new case and
parts won't live up to their promise of being quiet as a mouse.

This leads me to wonder ... I have an iMac here which is as powerful as my
new PC, and it's as silent as a cold brick, with no moving parts, even on
hot days. So why do I have to get a $140 case to act as a glorified muffler
around the new PC? It reminds me of something my car mechanic said in front
of me 40 years ago when he was dismantling the steering column of a Holden
while looking at the manual which said "remove anti-rattle screw". His
comment was "if they built this thing right they wouldn't need an
anti-rattle screw".

*GK*

RE: [OT] New PC no video

[Ken Schaefer]

Could it be that someone’s already had a play with the board? Seems like an odd 
configuration, and if it were normal, I’d guess that it’d be the #1-10 hits on 
Google as every man and his dog would be running into the same problem.

Also, just a thought, if the board supports Intel vPro, then the AMT feature 
would allow someone to reconfigure the BIOS over the LAN, thus getting around 
the Catch 22 situation you describe.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2016 6:04 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New PC no video

My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the 
confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the motherboard, so 
in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked. Then in the BIOS screen 
he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally has to be the default), after 
which it works without the video card. So how stupid is that?! A perfect 
Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to work until you get the video 
working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock board come out of the factory with 
the wrong settings -- GK

On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas 
<il.tho...@outlook.com<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>> wrote:
We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- GK
That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these new 
MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a useful 
fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a pattern of 
LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Greg Keogh]

My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the
confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the
motherboard, so in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked.
Then in the BIOS screen he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally
has to be the default), after which it works without the video card. So how
stupid is that?! A perfect Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to
work until you get the video working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock
board come out of the factory with the wrong settings -- *GK*

On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas  wrote:

> We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- *GK*
>
> That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these
> new MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a
> useful fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a
> pattern of LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).
>
>
>
> Ian Thomas
>
> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>
>
>

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[Greg Keogh]

>
> Check video card, drivers, faulty cables... If new I'd guess drivers


The new motherboard has on-board DVI  and HDMI so there is no video card.
And this is the first time the thing was powered on, so there is nothing
bootable yet. We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- *GK*

RE: [OT] New PC no video

[Ian Thomas]

We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- GK

That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these new 
MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a useful 
fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a pattern of 
LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).  

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

RE: [OT] New PC no video

[Ian Thomas]

Weird.

What CPU did you get? Is the RAM DDR3 or DDR4? Some boards can run both types.  

Asus mainboards boast of “audio aficionado” quality chips for sound/multimedia. 
My current years-old Asus board has HDMI and display port but I don’t make use 
of its better features. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2016 6:04 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New PC no video

 

My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the 
confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the motherboard, so 
in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked. Then in the BIOS screen 
he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally has to be the default), after 
which it works without the video card. So how stupid is that?! A perfect 
Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to work until you get the video 
working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock board come out of the factory with 
the wrong settings -- GK

 

On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas <il.tho...@outlook.com 
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > wrote:

We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- GK

That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these new 
MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a useful 
fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a pattern of 
LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).  

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

 

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[DotNet Dude]

Glad it's explainable at least. Would hate to have it magically work
suddenly

On Saturday, 23 January 2016, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the
> confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the
> motherboard, so in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked.
> Then in the BIOS screen he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally
> has to be the default), after which it works without the video card. So how
> stupid is that?! A perfect Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to
> work until you get the video working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock
> board come out of the factory with the wrong settings -- *GK*
>
> On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas  > wrote:
>
>> We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- *GK*
>>
>> That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these
>> new MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a
>> useful fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a
>> pattern of LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Thomas
>>
>> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>>
>>
>>
>
>

RE: [OT] New PC no video

[David Loo]

Check all connection are propery connected, cpu, memory, etc.

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2016 1:32 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: [OT] New PC no video

 

Folks, just build a brand new PC from parts purchased at MSY. Powered it up and 
there's no video from DVI or HDMI with different monitors. I've never had this 
happen before and I'm completely stumped. A friend has taken it home to play 
with, as I'm out of ideas. Has anyone else suffered this or got an idea what's 
wrong? -- Greg K

[OT] New PC no video

[Greg Keogh]

Folks, just build a brand new PC from parts purchased at MSY. Powered it up
and there's no video from DVI or HDMI with different monitors. I've never
had this happen before and I'm completely stumped. A friend has taken it
home to play with, as I'm out of ideas. Has anyone else suffered this or
got an idea what's wrong? -- *Greg K*

Re: [OT] New PC no video

[DotNet Dude]

Check video card, drivers, faulty cables... If new I'd guess drivers

On Saturday, 23 January 2016, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, just build a brand new PC from parts purchased at MSY. Powered it
> up and there's no video from DVI or HDMI with different monitors. I've
> never had this happen before and I'm completely stumped. A friend has taken
> it home to play with, as I'm out of ideas. Has anyone else suffered this or
> got an idea what's wrong? -- *Greg K*
>