RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
Hi Greg, Did you have a phone (or phones) that do sync well with Outlook, regardless of whether you're wirelessly connected? Regards, Tony -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low (GregLow.com) Sent: Sunday, 7 November 2010 6:26 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Hi John, My biggest concern was the inability to sync with Outlook except through wireless. I can't imagine anyone enabling data roaming and I can't live without sync while travelling. Regards, Greg -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of John Ginn Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 9:57 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device My 2c... I went for the Mozart too, mostly for the NextG network. I can always swap out the handset for something 'later and greater' down the track if I want to but changing contracts is much harder. I've had phones with both Voda and Optus and got tired of the service dropouts and poor coverage. Telstra has previously been cost-prohibitive but their deal on the Mozart is fairly competitive I think. Phone-wise, I prefer a smaller screen than some of the 4.3 monsters out there that require a man-bag to carry around ;) Yes - battery life is a little average but nightly charging doesn't bother me. I've been very impressed with the OS usability so far... -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:04 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Yeh I find it's a phone you need to charge every day. Would have been nice if you could just plop it in a cradle, but sadly you have to plug in a micro usb on the side. As to camera, it's okay, but not brilliant. Good for snaps (macro not bad, zoom in nature scenes not good). The best feature about the camera is it is easy to select the camera even when the phone is on standby: just press the button on the side and you can snap in about 3 to 5 seconds (still a little slow, but not too bad). Of course this does mean if you leave the phone lying around, anyone can add photos to it, even if the phone is locked. Oh, and noobie, the good thing about windows mobile phones is you can lock and or wipe them remotely etc. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:20 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |I picked up the Mozart day after release and am happy with it, that being said I |haven't seen/used any other WP7 phones. Camera is good and build quality of |the phone is solid, battery life is ok with wireless off and not so good 12 hours |with it on. | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | | | Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? | | | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: |http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone- |categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me |wrote: |Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its |Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the |Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. | |If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G |bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those |bands. | |The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, |but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, |expansive memory portrait slider. | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM |To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com |Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright |without a plan? | |Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only |have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright- |buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ | |What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try |and get a better price? |e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the |details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the |handset will be locked to ATT etc... | |I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus | |the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel | |what models do people think is best and why
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Hi Tony, My current iPhone does this just fine. I find it incredible that the WP7 devices won't be able to. Regards, Greg -Original Message- From: Tony Wright [mailto:ton...@tpg.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 7 November 2010 7:14 PM To: g...@greglow.com; 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Hi Greg, Did you have a phone (or phones) that do sync well with Outlook, regardless of whether you're wirelessly connected? Regards, Tony -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low (GregLow.com) Sent: Sunday, 7 November 2010 6:26 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Hi John, My biggest concern was the inability to sync with Outlook except through wireless. I can't imagine anyone enabling data roaming and I can't live without sync while travelling. Regards, Greg -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of John Ginn Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 9:57 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device My 2c... I went for the Mozart too, mostly for the NextG network. I can always swap out the handset for something 'later and greater' down the track if I want to but changing contracts is much harder. I've had phones with both Voda and Optus and got tired of the service dropouts and poor coverage. Telstra has previously been cost-prohibitive but their deal on the Mozart is fairly competitive I think. Phone-wise, I prefer a smaller screen than some of the 4.3 monsters out there that require a man-bag to carry around ;) Yes - battery life is a little average but nightly charging doesn't bother me. I've been very impressed with the OS usability so far... -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:04 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Yeh I find it's a phone you need to charge every day. Would have been nice if you could just plop it in a cradle, but sadly you have to plug in a micro usb on the side. As to camera, it's okay, but not brilliant. Good for snaps (macro not bad, zoom in nature scenes not good). The best feature about the camera is it is easy to select the camera even when the phone is on standby: just press the button on the side and you can snap in about 3 to 5 seconds (still a little slow, but not too bad). Of course this does mean if you leave the phone lying around, anyone can add photos to it, even if the phone is locked. Oh, and noobie, the good thing about windows mobile phones is you can lock and or wipe them remotely etc. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:20 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |I picked up the Mozart day after release and am happy with it, that being said I |haven't seen/used any other WP7 phones. Camera is good and build quality of |the phone is solid, battery life is ok with wireless off and not so good 12 hours |with it on. | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | | | Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? | | | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: |http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone- |categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me |wrote: |Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its |Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the |Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. | |If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G |bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those |bands. | |The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, |but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, |expansive memory portrait slider. | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM |To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com |Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright |without a plan? | |Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only |have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright- |buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ | |What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try |and get a better price? |e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the |details as in it this is on some
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Same here...i am thinking android as my next phone...taking this ability away is crazy! Do they listen to customers or only their corporate customers? Sounds like a money making decision...give the Telco more money money for increased data usage -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low (GregLow.com) Sent: Sunday, 7 November 2010 11:29 PM To: 'Tony Wright'; 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Hi Tony, My current iPhone does this just fine. I find it incredible that the WP7 devices won't be able to. Regards, Greg -Original Message- From: Tony Wright [mailto:ton...@tpg.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 7 November 2010 7:14 PM To: g...@greglow.com; 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Hi Greg, Did you have a phone (or phones) that do sync well with Outlook, regardless of whether you're wirelessly connected? Regards, Tony -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low (GregLow.com) Sent: Sunday, 7 November 2010 6:26 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Hi John, My biggest concern was the inability to sync with Outlook except through wireless. I can't imagine anyone enabling data roaming and I can't live without sync while travelling. Regards, Greg -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of John Ginn Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 9:57 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device My 2c... I went for the Mozart too, mostly for the NextG network. I can always swap out the handset for something 'later and greater' down the track if I want to but changing contracts is much harder. I've had phones with both Voda and Optus and got tired of the service dropouts and poor coverage. Telstra has previously been cost-prohibitive but their deal on the Mozart is fairly competitive I think. Phone-wise, I prefer a smaller screen than some of the 4.3 monsters out there that require a man-bag to carry around ;) Yes - battery life is a little average but nightly charging doesn't bother me. I've been very impressed with the OS usability so far... -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:04 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Yeh I find it's a phone you need to charge every day. Would have been nice if you could just plop it in a cradle, but sadly you have to plug in a micro usb on the side. As to camera, it's okay, but not brilliant. Good for snaps (macro not bad, zoom in nature scenes not good). The best feature about the camera is it is easy to select the camera even when the phone is on standby: just press the button on the side and you can snap in about 3 to 5 seconds (still a little slow, but not too bad). Of course this does mean if you leave the phone lying around, anyone can add photos to it, even if the phone is locked. Oh, and noobie, the good thing about windows mobile phones is you can lock and or wipe them remotely etc. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:20 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |I picked up the Mozart day after release and am happy with it, that being said I |haven't seen/used any other WP7 phones. Camera is good and build quality of |the phone is solid, battery life is ok with wireless off and not so good 12 hours |with it on. | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | | | Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? | | | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: |http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone- |categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me |wrote: |Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its |Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the |Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. | |If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G |bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those |bands. | |The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, |but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, |expansive memory portrait slider. | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM |To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com |Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Does anyone
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It really depends on whether or not you want to see twitter/facebook/messenger updates from your friends on your phone or not. First time I set it up I used an existing liveID, and I found it way too noisy, and seems the phone won't let me even turn those updates off. So I reset the phone and added a clean new liveID, and exported my phone book over to there. Now it's a bit more like a phone contact list (I know that's probably blasphemous g). The thing that really amazed me was finding out there is no grouping or categories etc for contacts. So you can't just add a tag to people who are working on a project or particular companies or teams etc. And you can't write your own unless you make the phone user re=enter in all the data because you can't access the contacts list. Oh, but you get to see their tweets, and messenger status updates. ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 8:54 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |how did you guys setup your phones | |Did you make a new LiveID / Account | |I don't want to fill my phone up with to many junk contacts | | |On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: | | | I never said the Office Hub is secure. If you need a document to be |shared with apps, that's the place to put it (if we had access). If you want to |secure it, then they should use the same secure ISO model they use for |Silverlight apps in the browser. There is two ISO stores, one for the app, and |one for the Site. They can adapt that paradigm onto the phone for App |Publisher. | | But yes, they've got some work to do :) | | | -Original Message- | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | | Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 3:16 PM | To: 'ozDotNet' | Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | Hi Chris, | | |I'm sure they get mobility, but as most of us know the timelines they | were on | |to cut v1. Sh*t just had to be left out. | | That's a completely different argument from what you earlier said: |secure shared data doesn't belong on a portable device. On the secure data |thing, well that's like saying you shouldn't have any contact information or any |office documents etc. They are ALL data that needs to be secure. | Today, I think the argument is they are secure by not openly allowing |other applications to access them. Jumping to a later email form you, you then | say: | What we really need is access to the Office hub's documents. | So really you are talking about secure shared data ;) | | I think the real issue is the lack of connectivity with the contacts list. | The list is designed to aggregate information, yet that is not made |available. Try for example to send a vcard. The contact list should be |available, with permission. Without that you have to setup a whole other set of |aggregation and access somewhere else, and then try to sync those two back. It |should be straight forward to insert a contact's address, name etc, etc. | | Anyway, yes the issue is they left a lot of sh*t out. I think the real |prove'r for WP will be the rate at which they make these kinds of updates |available. | | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh | |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 2:13 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |Hahaha. | | | | | | | |Slap away, sure, there are offline scenarios BUT, we live in a | |connected | world | |people. Let's start acting like it :P | | | | | | | |It's hard to communicate between apps when there are no multitasking | |scenarios, socket access blah blah. | | | | | | | |I'm sure they get mobility, but as most of us know the timelines they | were on | |to cut v1. Sh*t just had to be left out. Look at SQL CE, it's | |there, | it's on the | |device, there is just no bridge to get access via the end user SDK. | |The | native | |SDK have access to it. | | | | | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph | |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 2:02 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | | | | | |Chris, put your hand out and let me slap it J - I want to be able to | |run | offline | |and I mean totally offline. Having to go through the cloud to | |communicate between applications because MS isn't smart enough to |work
[OT] WP7 Handset/device
Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al l as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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I picked up the Mozart day after release and am happy with it, that being said I haven't seen/used any other WP7 phones. Camera is good and build quality of the phone is solid, battery life is ok with wireless off and not so good 12 hours with it on. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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It's actually 500MB, and you can change that, I managed to get 3GB on the $79 plan for an extra $3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Not really with Telstra you only get a pitiful 400mb allowance and I burned through half of that in 3 hours of getting the phone. A lot of that was buying apps setting up accounts and syncing data tho. I have the data turned off except for wifi. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.commailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Chris does anyone who has used a WP7 have an Idea on the volume of data it uses in general use when it is loading your emails and pics, twitter posts etc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.commailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.commailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.commailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.memailto:ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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Can I ask why you like the HTC Mozart over the Samsung Omnia 7 is it the 8 MP camera, or other things as well? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: It’s actually 500MB, and you can change that, I managed to get 3GB on the $79 plan for an extra $3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Not really with Telstra you only get a pitiful 400mb allowance and I burned through half of that in 3 hours of getting the phone. A lot of that was buying apps setting up accounts and syncing data tho. I have the data turned off except for wifi. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Chris does anyone who has used a WP7 have an Idea on the volume of data it uses in general use when it is loading your emails and pics, twitter posts etc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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I like the 3.7 screen. The Omnia 7 is a 4 device. I just like the smaller one, and you can't beat the NextG network for speed. Optus sucks and Voda/Three are hopeless for coverage. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:27 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Can I ask why you like the HTC Mozart over the Samsung Omnia 7 is it the 8 MP camera, or other things as well? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: It's actually 500MB, and you can change that, I managed to get 3GB on the $79 plan for an extra $3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Not really with Telstra you only get a pitiful 400mb allowance and I burned through half of that in 3 hours of getting the phone. A lot of that was buying apps setting up accounts and syncing data tho. I have the data turned off except for wifi. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Chris does anyone who has used a WP7 have an Idea on the volume of data it uses in general use when it is loading your emails and pics, twitter posts etc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/win dows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-pri ces-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode =all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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OK thanks for the info guys :) On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Simon Reed simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on both points On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: I like the 3.7 screen. The Omnia 7 is a 4 device. I just like the smaller one, and you can't beat the NextG network for speed. Optus sucks and Voda/Three are hopeless for coverage. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:27 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Can I ask why you like the HTC Mozart over the Samsung Omnia 7 is it the 8 MP camera, or other things as well? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: It's actually 500MB, and you can change that, I managed to get 3GB on the $79 plan for an extra $3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Not really with Telstra you only get a pitiful 400mb allowance and I burned through half of that in 3 hours of getting the phone. A lot of that was buying apps setting up accounts and syncing data tho. I have the data turned off except for wifi. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Chris does anyone who has used a WP7 have an Idea on the volume of data it uses in general use when it is loading your emails and pics, twitter posts etc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/win dows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-pri ces-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode =all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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I been looking at the 3G / NextG stuff am I correct in thinking that standard 3G uses 2100 MHz and Telstra's NextG uses 850 MHz therefore... I could get a phone that is not 850 MHz, but is 2100 MHz this will still be 3G, but not NextG and therefore even if I used telstra I would not get the good coverage and speed On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:41 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: OK thanks for the info guys :) On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Simon Reed simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on both points On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: I like the 3.7 screen. The Omnia 7 is a 4 device. I just like the smaller one, and you can't beat the NextG network for speed. Optus sucks and Voda/Three are hopeless for coverage. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:27 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Can I ask why you like the HTC Mozart over the Samsung Omnia 7 is it the 8 MP camera, or other things as well? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: It's actually 500MB, and you can change that, I managed to get 3GB on the $79 plan for an extra $3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Not really with Telstra you only get a pitiful 400mb allowance and I burned through half of that in 3 hours of getting the phone. A lot of that was buying apps setting up accounts and syncing data tho. I have the data turned off except for wifi. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Chris does anyone who has used a WP7 have an Idea on the volume of data it uses in general use when it is loading your emails and pics, twitter posts etc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/win dows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-pri ces-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode =all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al l as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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How bad is the Optus network really I really only intend on being in a city, never really going to be in the country the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra on the data side *Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4* this could reduce the data your paying for with the built in features alot or is all the data going to actually coming from windows live and therefore this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook sometimes if someone sent me a message or something Minimum Monthly Spend $79 Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 *Included Data 3GB2* or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on BlackBerry handsets Voicemail deposits retrievals Unlimited3 *Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4* Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Call rate $0.90 per minute National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c flagfall 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, video calls, voicemail and 13/1300 calls standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM mobile, and international SMS 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth of included value each billing period after which these services are free up to a maximum of your selected plans Included Cap Value per billing period. 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access services on Optus Zoo, browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as using your mobile as a modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB service the plans included mobile data value can be shared. Excess usage charges of $0.10 per MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and downloads). Data usage will be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and includes both uploads and downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be rolled over. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 Browsing: only applies for POP3 email traffic and internet browsing through the BlackBerry Browser and specifically excludes use of the Optus Zoo Browser and International Roaming. Customers must have a BlackBerry or BlackBerry Connect handset to access this service. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 email and browsing is subject to the Optus Mobile Fair GoTM policy. The BlackBerry and RIM families of related marks, images and symbols are the exclusive properties of and trademarks or registered trademarks of Research In Motion Limited used by permission. 3 Unlimited Voicemail: Applies to Voicemail Deposits and Retrievals, diversion charges apply. *4 Unlimited Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay Foursquare: Only available within Australian and requires compatible handset. Use of these services is separate and does not count towards your included “Mobile Internet Data”. Cannot be used with your Optus Mobile Broadband (OMB) or Business Mobile Broadband (BMB) device/s and excludes use of Facebook SMS or other social media alert services. These features are only available to you if your handset is compatible with the service. Optus Mobile Fair GoTM Policy applies.* On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010
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Mobicity is probably worth more than a manufacturer's warranty (HTC aren't the best to deal with from personal experience), especially if you upgrade to the 3 year warranty Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 11:19 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device It's a mobicity warranty, not a manufacturer's warranty :) Dotnetnoobie, 3G is 3G. Different operators use different bands. 2100mhz band was the first to market in AU but it has a poor range. The following bands are used on the networks in AU Telstra - 2100mhz (being decommissioned), 850mhz (Next-G) Optus - 900mhz 2100mhz Voda/Three - 900mhz 2100mhz. Also looking at deploying 850mhz infrastructure but it'll still suck. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 11:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options
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are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al l as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al l as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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| Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al l as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al l as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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) or Business Mobile Broadband (BMB) device/s and excludes use of Facebook SMS or other social media alert services. These features are only available to you if your handset is compatible with the service. Optus Mobile Fair GoTM Policy applies. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al l as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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am I correct in thinking the Mozart you cannot add extra memory/storage but you can in the Samsung i8700 Omnia 7 http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html Mozart http://www.htc.com/au/product/7mozart/specification.html Samsung i8700 Omnia 7 http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smart-phone/GT-I8700YKAOPS/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detailtab=specification and what is Nand Memory
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They are metered downloads Sent from my Windows Phone From: Simon Reed Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:47 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content through Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe marketplace could be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? (probably just wishful thinking) On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.commailto:step...@littlevoices.com wrote: I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of my 512Mb data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything like pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home and at work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook which is text mostly. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.commailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services and photos etc? do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or you don't know yet? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.commailto:step...@littlevoices.com wrote: I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them in the end, the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be giving me a GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. Telstra have finally become competitive with their pricing. My HTC Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for the phone. Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter (no credit topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It was way to much to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is there doesnt seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period of time. it locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.commailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: How bad is the Optus network really I really only intend on being in a city, never really going to be in the country the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra on the data side Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4 this could reduce the data your paying for with the built in features alot or is all the data going to actually coming from windows live and therefore this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook sometimes if someone sent me a message or something Minimum Monthly Spend $79 Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on BlackBerry handsets Voicemail deposits retrievals Unlimited3 Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4 Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Call rate $0.90 per minute National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c flagfall 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, video calls, voicemail and 13/1300 calls standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM mobile, and international SMS 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth of included value each billing period after which these services are free up to a maximum of your selected plans Included Cap Value per billing period. 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access services on Optus Zoo, browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as using your mobile as a modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB service the plans included mobile data value can be shared. Excess usage charges of $0.10 per MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and downloads). Data usage will be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and includes both uploads and downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be rolled over. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 Browsing: only applies for POP3 email traffic and internet browsing through the BlackBerry Browser and specifically excludes use of the Optus Zoo Browser and International Roaming. Customers must have a BlackBerry or BlackBerry Connect handset to access this service. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 email and browsing is subject to the Optus Mobile Fair GoTM policy. The BlackBerry and RIM families of related marks, images and symbols are the exclusive properties of and trademarks or registered trademarks of Research In Motion Limited used by permission. 3 Unlimited Voicemail: Applies to Voicemail Deposits
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) or Business Mobile Broadband (BMB) device/s and excludes use of Facebook SMS or other social media alert services. These features are only available to you if your handset is compatible with the service. Optus Mobile Fair GoTM Policy applies. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al l as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie -- Meski Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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Yeh I find it's a phone you need to charge every day. Would have been nice if you could just plop it in a cradle, but sadly you have to plug in a micro usb on the side. As to camera, it's okay, but not brilliant. Good for snaps (macro not bad, zoom in nature scenes not good). The best feature about the camera is it is easy to select the camera even when the phone is on standby: just press the button on the side and you can snap in about 3 to 5 seconds (still a little slow, but not too bad). Of course this does mean if you leave the phone lying around, anyone can add photos to it, even if the phone is locked. Oh, and noobie, the good thing about windows mobile phones is you can lock and or wipe them remotely etc. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:20 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |I picked up the Mozart day after release and am happy with it, that being said I |haven't seen/used any other WP7 phones. Camera is good and build quality of |the phone is solid, battery life is ok with wireless off and not so good 12 hours |with it on. | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | | | Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? | | | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: |http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone- |categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me |wrote: |Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its |Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the |Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. | |If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G |bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those |bands. | |The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, |but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, |expansive memory portrait slider. | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM |To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com |Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device |outright without a plan? | |Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only |have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright- |buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ | |What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try |and get a better price? |e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the |details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the |handset will be locked to ATT etc... | |I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus | |the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel | |what models do people think is best and why? | |in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, |is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? | |Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, |rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? |e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I |just put in my own Sim card? | |these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets |http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all |as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on |why I should or should not choose a different model would be great | |thanks noobie | | | |
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Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content through |Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe marketplace could |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? (probably just |wishful thinking) | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com |wrote: | | | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of my |512Mb | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything like | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home and at | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. | | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook which is text |mostly. | | | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: |Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services and photos |etc? |do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or you don't know |yet? | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price |step...@littlevoices.com |wrote: | |I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them in the end, |the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be giving me a |GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. | |Telstra have finally become competitive with their pricing. My HTC |Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for the phone. |Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter (no |credit |topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It was way to much |to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. | |Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is there doesnt |seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period of time. it |locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | How bad is the Optus network really | | I really only intend on being in a city, never really going to be in the | country | the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra on the data | side | Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, |MySpace, | eBay | and Foursquare4 | this could reduce the data your paying for with the built in features | alot | or is all the data going to actually coming from windows live and | therefore | this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? | | I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook |sometimes if | someone | sent me a message or something | | Minimum Monthly Spend $79 | Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 | Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on BlackBerry |handsets | Voicemail deposits retrievals Unlimited3 | Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, |MySpace, | eBay | and Foursquare4 | Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited | Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited | Call rate $0.90 per minute | National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall | International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c flagfall | 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall | Connection Fee 35c per call | Excess Data Usage 10c per MB | Connection Fee 35c per call | Excess Data Usage 10c per MB | Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, video calls, | voicemail | and 13/1300 calls standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM mobile, and | international | SMS | | 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth of included |value | each | billing period after which these services are free up to a maximum |of | your | selected plans Included Cap Value per billing period. | 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access services on |Optus | Zoo, | browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as using your |mobile as | a | modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB service |the plans | included mobile data value can be shared. Excess usage charges of |$0.10 | per | MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and downloads). Data |usage | will | be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and includes both |uploads | and | downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be rolled
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Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to Aus? On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com wrote: Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content through |Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe marketplace could |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? (probably just |wishful thinking) | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com |wrote: | | | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of my |512Mb | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything like | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home and at | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. | | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook which is text |mostly. | | | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: |Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services and photos |etc? |do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or you don't know |yet? | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price |step...@littlevoices.com |wrote: | |I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them in the end, |the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be giving me a |GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. | |Telstra have finally become competitive with their pricing. My HTC |Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for the phone. |Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter (no |credit |topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It was way to much |to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. | |Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is there doesnt |seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period of time. it |locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | How bad is the Optus network really | | I really only intend on being in a city, never really going to be in the | country | the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra on the data | side | Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, |MySpace, | eBay | and Foursquare4 | this could reduce the data your paying for with the built in features | alot | or is all the data going to actually coming from windows live and | therefore | this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? | | I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook |sometimes if | someone | sent me a message or something | | Minimum Monthly Spend $79 | Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 | Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on BlackBerry |handsets | Voicemail deposits retrievals Unlimited3 | Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, |MySpace, | eBay | and Foursquare4 | Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited | Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited | Call rate $0.90 per minute | National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall | International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c flagfall | 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall | Connection Fee 35c per call | Excess Data Usage 10c per MB | Connection Fee 35c per call | Excess Data Usage 10c per MB | Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, video calls, | voicemail | and 13/1300 calls standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM mobile, and | international | SMS | | 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth of included |value | each | billing period after which these services are free up to a maximum |of | your | selected plans Included Cap Value per billing period. | 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access services on |Optus | Zoo, | browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as using your |mobile as | a | modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB service |the plans | included mobile data value can be shared. Excess
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I just tested by disabling network data and 3G and wireless. Takes a few minutes but it does seem to get it over the USB lead. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:37 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |That still doesn't download the apps via Zune. They're downloaded via 3G, |unless you're connected via WiFi. | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:36 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content through ||Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe marketplace ||could be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? ||(probably |just ||wishful thinking) || || ||On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price ||step...@littlevoices.com ||wrote: || || || I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of my |512Mb || data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything like || pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home and at || work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. || || 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook which is |text ||mostly. || || || On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com ||wrote: || Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services and |photos ||etc? || do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or you don't |know ||yet? || || On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price ||step...@littlevoices.com || wrote: || || I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them in the |end, || the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be giving me |a || GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. || || Telstra have finally become competitive with their pricing. My |HTC || Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for the |phone. || Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter (no ||credit || topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It was way to |much || to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. || || Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is there |doesnt || seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period of time. |it || locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. || || On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie ||dotnetnoo...@gmail.com || wrote: ||How bad is the Optus network really || ||I really only intend on being in a city, never really going to |be in the ||country ||the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra on the |data ||side ||Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, ||MySpace, ||eBay ||and Foursquare4 ||this could reduce the data your paying for with the built in |features ||alot ||or is all the data going to actually coming from windows live |and ||therefore ||this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? || ||I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook |sometimes ||if ||someone ||sent me a message or something || ||Minimum Monthly Spend $79 ||Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 ||Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on BlackBerry ||handsets ||Voicemail deposits retrievals Unlimited3 ||Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, ||MySpace, ||eBay ||and Foursquare4 ||Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited ||Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited ||Call rate $0.90 per minute ||National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall ||International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c |flagfall ||13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall ||Connection Fee 35c per call ||Excess Data Usage 10c per MB ||Connection Fee 35c per call ||Excess Data Usage 10c per MB ||Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, video |calls, ||voicemail ||and 13/1300 calls standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM mobile, and ||international ||SMS || ||1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth of |included ||value ||each ||billing period after
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Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list includes, (but not limited to) is: - no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself - no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in the user interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) - no shared data or files I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if you want to write any app that deals with people. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Yeah, they've been saying it's coming for years. | |Bill, | |For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but there is no way to |access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in the Native SDK. |We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest |ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD but as I said, you can't access the folder. | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune pass) that it was |coming, but no timeframe on when. | |On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com |wrote: | Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to Aus? | | On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com wrote: | | Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed | |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content | |through Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe | |marketplace | could | |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? | |(probably | just | |wishful thinking) | | | | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price | |step...@littlevoices.com | |wrote: | | | | | | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of | |my 512Mb | | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything | |like | | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home | |and | at | | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. | | | | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook which | | is | text | |mostly. | | | | | | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie | |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: | |Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services | |and | photos | |etc? | |do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or you | don't | know | |yet? | | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price | |step...@littlevoices.com | |wrote: | | | |I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them | |in the | end, | |the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be | | giving | me | a | |GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. | | | |Telstra have finally become competitive with their | | pricing. My | HTC | |Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for | | the | phone. | |Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter | |(no credit | |topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It was | |way | to | much | |to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. | | | |Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is | | there | doesnt | |seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period of | time. | it | |locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. | | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie | |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com | |wrote: | | How bad is the Optus network really | | | | I really only intend on being in a city, never really | |going | to | be in the | | country | | the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra | | on | the | data | | side | | Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, | |LinkedIn, MySpace, | | eBay | | and Foursquare4 | | this could reduce the data your paying for with the | |built in | features | | alot | | or is all the data going to actually coming from windows | | live | and | | therefore | | this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? | | | | I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook | |sometimes if | | someone | | sent me a message or something | | | | Minimum Monthly Spend $79 | | Total Monthly Value Up
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My 2c... I went for the Mozart too, mostly for the NextG network. I can always swap out the handset for something 'later and greater' down the track if I want to but changing contracts is much harder. I've had phones with both Voda and Optus and got tired of the service dropouts and poor coverage. Telstra has previously been cost-prohibitive but their deal on the Mozart is fairly competitive I think. Phone-wise, I prefer a smaller screen than some of the 4.3 monsters out there that require a man-bag to carry around ;) Yes - battery life is a little average but nightly charging doesn't bother me. I've been very impressed with the OS usability so far... -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:04 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Yeh I find it's a phone you need to charge every day. Would have been nice if you could just plop it in a cradle, but sadly you have to plug in a micro usb on the side. As to camera, it's okay, but not brilliant. Good for snaps (macro not bad, zoom in nature scenes not good). The best feature about the camera is it is easy to select the camera even when the phone is on standby: just press the button on the side and you can snap in about 3 to 5 seconds (still a little slow, but not too bad). Of course this does mean if you leave the phone lying around, anyone can add photos to it, even if the phone is locked. Oh, and noobie, the good thing about windows mobile phones is you can lock and or wipe them remotely etc. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:20 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |I picked up the Mozart day after release and am happy with it, that being said I |haven't seen/used any other WP7 phones. Camera is good and build quality of |the phone is solid, battery life is ok with wireless off and not so good 12 hours |with it on. | | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | | | Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? | | | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: |http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone- |categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc | |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me |wrote: |Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its |Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the |Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. | |If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G |bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those |bands. | |The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, |but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, |expansive memory portrait slider. | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM |To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com |Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device |outright without a plan? | |Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only |have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright- |buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ | |What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try |and get a better price? |e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the |details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the |handset will be locked to ATT etc... | |I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus | |the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel | |what models do people think is best and why? | |in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, |is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? | |Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, |rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? |e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I |just put in my own Sim card? | |these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets |http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all |as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on |why I should or should not choose a different model would be great | |thanks noobie | | | |
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Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data across apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer service based apps where it is desirable to have small apps that share the same core data (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them disabling features depending on the user etc). And then there's the entire lack of shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). There's absolutely no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard office kinds of tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote etc, and automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use the phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand alone games etc or only for web based applications where you do that processing off the phone. And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that is even thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list includes, (but not |limited to) is: |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in the user |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) |- no shared data or files | |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if you want to |write any app that deals with people. | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||Yeah, they've been saying it's coming for years. || ||Bill, || ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but there ||is no |way to ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in the |Native SDK. ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest ||ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD but as I said, you can't access the folder. || ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune pass) ||that it |was ||coming, but no timeframe on when. || ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed ||simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com ||wrote: || Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to |Aus? || || On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com |wrote: || || Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) || || |-Original Message- || |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed || |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM || |To: ozDotNet || |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || | || |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content || |through Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe || |marketplace || could || |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? || |(probably || just || |wishful thinking) || | || | || |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price || |step...@littlevoices.com || |wrote: || | || | || | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of || |my 512Mb || | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything || |like || | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home || |and || at || | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. || | || | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook || | which is || text || |mostly. || | || | || | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie || |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: || |Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services || |and || photos || |etc? || |do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or || |you || don't || know || |yet? || | || |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price || |step...@littlevoices.com || |wrote: || | || |I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them || |in the || end, || |the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be || | giving || me || a || |GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. || | || |Telstra have finally become competitive with their || | pricing. My || HTC
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Nick Randolph, made a post on his blog i think where he used an image to store data, which I you could access from different apps, not really a good solution I guess, but maybe OK for some situations http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam.com/post/2010/09/29/Windows-Phone-7-Passing-Data-Between-Applications.aspx On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com wrote: Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data across apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer service based apps where it is desirable to have small apps that share the same core data (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them disabling features depending on the user etc). And then there's the entire lack of shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). There's absolutely no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard office kinds of tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote etc, and automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use the phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand alone games etc or only for web based applications where you do that processing off the phone. And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that is even thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list includes, (but not |limited to) is: |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in the user |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) |- no shared data or files | |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if you want to |write any app that deals with people. | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||Yeah, they've been saying it's coming for years. || ||Bill, || ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but there ||is no |way to ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in the |Native SDK. ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest ||ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD but as I said, you can't access the folder. || ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune pass) ||that it |was ||coming, but no timeframe on when. || ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed ||simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com ||wrote: || Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to |Aus? || || On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com |wrote: || || Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) || || |-Original Message- || |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed || |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM || |To: ozDotNet || |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || | || |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content || |through Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe || |marketplace || could || |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? || |(probably || just || |wishful thinking) || | || | || |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price || |step...@littlevoices.com || |wrote: || | || | || | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of || |my 512Mb || | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything || |like || | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home || |and || at || | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. || | || | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook || | which is || text || |mostly. || | || | || | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie || |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: || |Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services || |and || photos || |etc? || |do you have any issues with blowing your data
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Yep I saw that. I had thought the same too. It was that I was referring to when I said hack a bitmap. It's not really a good solution or a secure one. And like I said, that people even consider this is a real sign the phone is too limiting but not having shared data. What I am hoping we will see is the implementation of SQL CE 4 on the phone as a shared resource, including a shared data storage that includes blobs/files, with permissions. Eg. An app can use a password to share files with other apps from the same company. Stores could be by company and/or application, and access to would require initial user prompt etc. It is probably asking a lot, but really the phone needs secure shared data. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:39 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Nick Randolph, made a post on his blog i think where he used an image to store |data, which I you could access from different apps, |not really a good solution I guess, but maybe OK for some situations | |http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam.com/post/2010/09/29/Windows-Phone-7- |Passing-Data-Between-Applications.aspx | |On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com wrote: | | Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data across | apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer service based | apps where it is desirable to have small apps that share the same core data | (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them disabling | features depending on the user etc). And then there's the entire lack of | shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). There's absolutely | no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard office kinds of | tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote etc, and | automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use the | phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand alone games etc | or only for web based applications where you do that processing off the | phone. | | And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that is even | thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean | |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM | |To: 'ozDotNet' | |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list includes, | (but not | |limited to) is: | |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself | |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in the user | |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) | |- no shared data or files | | | |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if you | want to | |write any app that deals with people. | | | | | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh | ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM | ||To: ozDotNet | ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | || | ||Yeah, they've been saying it's coming for years. | || | ||Bill, | || | ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but there | ||is no | |way to | ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in the | |Native SDK. | ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest | ||ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD but as I said, you can't access the folder. | || | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price | ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM | ||To: ozDotNet | ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | || | ||I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune pass) | ||that it | |was | ||coming, but no timeframe on when. | || | ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed | ||simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com | ||wrote: | || Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to | |Aus? | || | || On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com | |wrote: | || | || Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) | || | || |-Original Message- | || |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | || |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed | || |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM | || |To: ozDotNet | || |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | || | | || |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered
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Oh, and that shared data/files area should also include documents that can be attached to emails/opened in office on the phone etc |-Original Message- |From: Bill McCarthy [mailto:b...@totalenviro.com] |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:47 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Yep I saw that. I had thought the same too. It was that I was referring to when I |said hack a bitmap. |It's not really a good solution or a secure one. And like I said, that people even |consider this is a real sign the phone is too limiting but not having shared data. | |What I am hoping we will see is the implementation of SQL CE 4 on the phone |as a shared resource, including a shared data storage that includes blobs/files, |with permissions. Eg. An app can use a password to share files with other apps |from the same company. Stores could be by company and/or application, and |access to would require initial user prompt etc. It is probably asking a lot, but |really the phone needs secure shared data. | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:39 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||Nick Randolph, made a post on his blog i think where he used an image to |store ||data, which I you could access from different apps, ||not really a good solution I guess, but maybe OK for some situations || ||http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam.com/post/2010/09/29/Windows-Phone-7- ||Passing-Data-Between-Applications.aspx || ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com wrote: || || Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data across || apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer service based || apps where it is desirable to have small apps that share the same core data || (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them disabling || features depending on the user etc). And then there's the entire lack of || shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). There's absolutely || no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard office kinds of || tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote etc, and || automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use the || phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand alone games etc || or only for web based applications where you do that processing off the || phone. || || And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that is even || thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. || || || |-Original Message- || |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean || |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM || |To: ozDotNet || |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || | || |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? || | || |-Original Message- || |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy || |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM || |To: 'ozDotNet' || |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || | || |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list includes, || (but not || |limited to) is: || |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself || |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in the user || |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) || |- no shared data or files || | || |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if you || want to || |write any app that deals with people. || | || | || ||-Original Message- || ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh || ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM || ||To: ozDotNet || ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || || || ||Yeah, they've been saying it's coming for years. || || || ||Bill, || || || ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but there || ||is no || |way to || ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in the || |Native SDK. || ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest || ||ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD but as I said, you can't access the folder. || || || ||-Original Message- || ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price || ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM || ||To: ozDotNet || ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || || || ||I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune pass) || ||that it || |was || ||coming, but no timeframe on when. || || || ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed || ||simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com || ||wrote: || || Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to || |Aus? || || || || On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM
RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
secure shared data doesn't belong on a portable device, that can be a) lost, stolen or hacked. If you want something that is available to use between company apps, then you need to have a central repo in the cloud somewhere. Sure you need to cache it locally, but it shouldn't be available for each app, if each app requires the same document, then you're doing it wrong. :) Sure, the phone needs SQL CE, but even then, it isn't the solution. People are just used to the Old WinMo days when you've got FULL access. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:47 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Yep I saw that. I had thought the same too. It was that I was referring to when I said hack a bitmap. It's not really a good solution or a secure one. And like I said, that people even consider this is a real sign the phone is too limiting but not having shared data. What I am hoping we will see is the implementation of SQL CE 4 on the phone as a shared resource, including a shared data storage that includes blobs/files, with permissions. Eg. An app can use a password to share files with other apps from the same company. Stores could be by company and/or application, and access to would require initial user prompt etc. It is probably asking a lot, but really the phone needs secure shared data. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:39 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Nick Randolph, made a post on his blog i think where he used an image |to store |data, which I you could access from different apps, not really a good |solution I guess, but maybe OK for some situations | |http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam.com/post/2010/09/29/Windows-Phone-7- |Passing-Data-Between-Applications.aspx | |On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com wrote: | | Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data | across apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer | service based apps where it is desirable to have small apps that | share the same core data | (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them | disabling features depending on the user etc). And then there's the | entire lack of shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). | There's absolutely | no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard office kinds | of tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote | etc, and | automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use | the phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand | alone games etc | or only for web based applications where you do that processing off | the phone. | | And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that is even | thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean | |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM | |To: 'ozDotNet' | |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list | |includes, | (but not | |limited to) is: | |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself | |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in | |the user | |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) | |- no shared data or files | | | |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if | |you | want to | |write any app that deals with people. | | | | | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh | ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM | ||To: ozDotNet | ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | || | ||Yeah, they've been saying it's coming for years. | || | ||Bill, | || | ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but | ||there is no | |way to | ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in | ||the | |Native SDK. | ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest | ||ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD but as I said, you can't access the folder. | || | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price | ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM | ||To: ozDotNet | ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
Hi Chris, |I'm sure they get mobility, but as most of us know the timelines they were on |to cut v1. Sh*t just had to be left out. That's a completely different argument from what you earlier said: secure shared data doesn't belong on a portable device. On the secure data thing, well that's like saying you shouldn't have any contact information or any office documents etc. They are ALL data that needs to be secure. Today, I think the argument is they are secure by not openly allowing other applications to access them. Jumping to a later email form you, you then say: What we really need is access to the Office hub's documents. So really you are talking about secure shared data ;) I think the real issue is the lack of connectivity with the contacts list. The list is designed to aggregate information, yet that is not made available. Try for example to send a vcard. The contact list should be available, with permission. Without that you have to setup a whole other set of aggregation and access somewhere else, and then try to sync those two back. It should be straight forward to insert a contact's address, name etc, etc. Anyway, yes the issue is they left a lot of sh*t out. I think the real prove'r for WP will be the rate at which they make these kinds of updates available. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 2:13 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Hahaha. | | | |Slap away, sure, there are offline scenarios BUT, we live in a connected world |people. Let's start acting like it :P | | | |It's hard to communicate between apps when there are no multitasking |scenarios, socket access blah blah. | | | |I'm sure they get mobility, but as most of us know the timelines they were on |to cut v1. Sh*t just had to be left out. Look at SQL CE, it's there, it's on the |device, there is just no bridge to get access via the end user SDK. The native |SDK have access to it. | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 2:02 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |Chris, put your hand out and let me slap it J - I want to be able to run offline |and I mean totally offline. Having to go through the cloud to communicate |between applications because MS isn't smart enough to work out how to open a |channel between apps in a secure way is a sign that they don't get mobility! | | | |Don't get me wrong I'm not asking for full access as in the WinMo days - that |was way to cowboyish. But, MS definitely needs to consider doing something |similar to (And I'm NOT saying the same) as Android Intents | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development || +61 412 413 425 | |The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the |intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in |any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or |attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may |not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. | | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:55 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |secure shared data doesn't belong on a portable device, that can be a) lost, |stolen or hacked. | | | |If you want something that is available to use between company apps, then you |need to have a central repo in the cloud somewhere. Sure you need to cache |it locally, but it shouldn't be available for each app, if each app requires the |same document, then you're doing it wrong. :) | | | |Sure, the phone needs SQL CE, but even then, it isn't the solution. | | | |People are just used to the Old WinMo days when you've got FULL access. | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:47 PM | |To: 'ozDotNet' | |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |Yep I saw that. I had thought the same too. It was that I was referring to when I |said hack a bitmap. | |It's not really a good solution or a secure one. And like I said, that people even |consider this is a real sign the phone is too limiting but not having shared data. | | | |What I am hoping we will see is the implementation of SQL CE 4 on the phone |as a shared resource, including a shared data storage that includes blobs/files, |with permissions. Eg. An app can use a password to share files with other apps |from the same company. Stores could be by company and/or application, and |access to would require initial user prompt etc. It is probably asking a lot, but |really the phone needs
RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
I never said the Office Hub is secure. If you need a document to be shared with apps, that's the place to put it (if we had access). If you want to secure it, then they should use the same secure ISO model they use for Silverlight apps in the browser. There is two ISO stores, one for the app, and one for the Site. They can adapt that paradigm onto the phone for App Publisher. But yes, they've got some work to do :) -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 3:16 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Hi Chris, |I'm sure they get mobility, but as most of us know the timelines they were on |to cut v1. Sh*t just had to be left out. That's a completely different argument from what you earlier said: secure shared data doesn't belong on a portable device. On the secure data thing, well that's like saying you shouldn't have any contact information or any office documents etc. They are ALL data that needs to be secure. Today, I think the argument is they are secure by not openly allowing other applications to access them. Jumping to a later email form you, you then say: What we really need is access to the Office hub's documents. So really you are talking about secure shared data ;) I think the real issue is the lack of connectivity with the contacts list. The list is designed to aggregate information, yet that is not made available. Try for example to send a vcard. The contact list should be available, with permission. Without that you have to setup a whole other set of aggregation and access somewhere else, and then try to sync those two back. It should be straight forward to insert a contact's address, name etc, etc. Anyway, yes the issue is they left a lot of sh*t out. I think the real prove'r for WP will be the rate at which they make these kinds of updates available. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 2:13 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Hahaha. | | | |Slap away, sure, there are offline scenarios BUT, we live in a |connected world |people. Let's start acting like it :P | | | |It's hard to communicate between apps when there are no multitasking |scenarios, socket access blah blah. | | | |I'm sure they get mobility, but as most of us know the timelines they were on |to cut v1. Sh*t just had to be left out. Look at SQL CE, it's |there, it's on the |device, there is just no bridge to get access via the end user SDK. |The native |SDK have access to it. | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 2:02 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |Chris, put your hand out and let me slap it J - I want to be able to |run offline |and I mean totally offline. Having to go through the cloud to |communicate between applications because MS isn't smart enough to work |out how to open a |channel between apps in a secure way is a sign that they don't get mobility! | | | |Don't get me wrong I'm not asking for full access as in the WinMo days |- that |was way to cowboyish. But, MS definitely needs to consider doing |something similar to (And I'm NOT saying the same) as Android Intents | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone |Development || +61 412 413 425 | |The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not |the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in |this email in |any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails |or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own |and may |not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. | | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:55 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |secure shared data doesn't belong on a portable device, that can be |a) lost, |stolen or hacked. | | | |If you want something that is available to use between company apps, |then you |need to have a central repo in the cloud somewhere. Sure you need to cache |it locally, but it shouldn't be available for each app, if each app requires the |same document, then you're doing it wrong. :) | | | |Sure, the phone needs SQL CE, but even then, it isn't the solution. | | | |People are just used to the Old WinMo days when you've got FULL access. | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:47 PM | |To: 'ozDotNet' | |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | | | |Yep I saw that. I had thought
