Re: MSDN mag
It went downhill when it changed from Microsoft Systems Journal (MSJ) to MSDN. On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Grant Maw wrote: > I got my MSDN magazine in the post today and it's all about Windows Phone. > July's edition was the same. > > I get the whole thing about their marketing and the stiff competition in > the phone market but I wonder if they realise that there are still some of > us working in the database space, the asp.net space, the Dynamics space > etc who couldn't give two knobs of billy goat sh*t about Windows phone. > > I can't remember that last time I found a useful article about SQL server > or Dynamics CRM in this magazine. > > MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance at the > front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer never to > be looked at again. > > Am I the only one? > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
Re: MSDN mag
http://www.microsoft.com/msj/backissues00.aspx On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:28 PM, mike smith wrote: > It went downhill when it changed from Microsoft Systems Journal (MSJ) to > MSDN. > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Grant Maw wrote: > >> I got my MSDN magazine in the post today and it's all about Windows >> Phone. July's edition was the same. >> >> I get the whole thing about their marketing and the stiff competition in >> the phone market but I wonder if they realise that there are still some of >> us working in the database space, the asp.net space, the Dynamics space >> etc who couldn't give two knobs of billy goat sh*t about Windows phone. >> >> I can't remember that last time I found a useful article about SQL server >> or Dynamics CRM in this magazine. >> >> MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance at the >> front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer never to >> be looked at again. >> >> Am I the only one? >> > > > > -- > Meski > >http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > > "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, > you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
Re: MSDN mag
> > MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance at the >>> front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer never to >>> be looked at again. >>> Am I the only one? >>> >> Hell no! I'm fed up with articles about phones, Windows 8, Store Apps, Javascript and WinRT (mostly telling us what WinRT *can't do*). For years I was also slowly getting sick of McCaffrey's articles which were getting so academic that they were useless for real-world developers. So useless in fact that I was going to email the editors and politely tell them that although I'm a profound geek, I have absolutely no use for genetic algorithms, matrix decomposition, adaptive boosting or artificial immune systems. Even Petzold's relentless articles about perspective graphics and music synthesis aren't of much use or interest (even though I'm a musician). I have an almost unbroken set of issues going back to May 1993, and in the last 2 years I have felt the same shift of focus away from core languages, tools and frameworks into what marketing must think they want us to read. I scan all pages, but I find I'm increasingly flipping over more and more pages like you. Greg K P.S. I'd better go and look in the letterbox.
Re: MSDN mag
MSDN floats with the DPE tide mark. Its an editorial version of evangelism and its sole purpose is to get folks onto the new while showing them bridges from the old to the new. If DPE spend cycles talking to you about Windows 8 AppStore + JavaScript then MSDN will usually follow. This is really not a "magazine" for sustaining existing adoption(s) its really a marketing tool to get you move over to whatever next.. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Greg Keogh wrote: > MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance at the front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer never to be looked at again. Am I the only one? >>> > Hell no! I'm fed up with articles about phones, Windows 8, Store Apps, > Javascript and WinRT (mostly telling us what WinRT *can't do*). For years > I was also slowly getting sick of McCaffrey's articles which were getting > so academic that they were useless for real-world developers. So useless in > fact that I was going to email the editors and politely tell them that > although I'm a profound geek, I have absolutely no use for genetic > algorithms, matrix decomposition, adaptive boosting or artificial immune > systems. Even Petzold's relentless articles about perspective graphics and > music synthesis aren't of much use or interest (even though I'm a musician). > > I have an almost unbroken set of issues going back to May 1993, and in the > last 2 years I have felt the same shift of focus away from core languages, > tools and frameworks into what marketing must think they want us to read. I > scan all pages, but I find I'm increasingly flipping over more and more > pages like you. > > Greg K > > P.S. I'd better go and look in the letterbox. >
Re: MSDN mag
I buy it for the articles. On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Scott Barnes wrote: > MSDN floats with the DPE tide mark. Its an editorial version of evangelism > and its sole purpose is to get folks onto the new while showing them > bridges from the old to the new. If DPE spend cycles talking to you about > Windows 8 AppStore + JavaScript then MSDN will usually follow. > > This is really not a "magazine" for sustaining existing adoption(s) its > really a marketing tool to get you move over to whatever next.. > > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Greg Keogh wrote: > >> MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance at the > front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer never to > be looked at again. > Am I the only one? > >> Hell no! I'm fed up with articles about phones, Windows 8, Store Apps, >> Javascript and WinRT (mostly telling us what WinRT *can't do*). For >> years I was also slowly getting sick of McCaffrey's articles which were >> getting so academic that they were useless for real-world developers. So >> useless in fact that I was going to email the editors and politely tell >> them that although I'm a profound geek, I have absolutely no use for >> genetic algorithms, matrix decomposition, adaptive boosting or artificial >> immune systems. Even Petzold's relentless articles about perspective >> graphics and music synthesis aren't of much use or interest (even though >> I'm a musician). >> >> I have an almost unbroken set of issues going back to May 1993, and in >> the last 2 years I have felt the same shift of focus away from core >> languages, tools and frameworks into what marketing must think they want us >> to read. I scan all pages, but I find I'm increasingly flipping over more >> and more pages like you. >> >> Greg K >> >> P.S. I'd better go and look in the letterbox. >> > >
Re: MSDN mag
> > I buy it for the articles. > That's what I tell my wife about Playboy magazine -- Greg
Re: MSDN mag
I once worked on a project that had Deep Zoom and Playboy archives... :D --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Greg Keogh wrote: > I buy it for the articles. >> > > That's what I tell my wife about Playboy magazine -- Greg >
Re: MSDN mag
I think that's technology abuse. It's also awesome. So did't hey have a relaxed nsfw policy? On 30/09/2013 6:14 PM, "Scott Barnes" wrote: > I once worked on a project that had Deep Zoom and Playboy archives... :D > > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Greg Keogh wrote: > >> I buy it for the articles. >>> >> >> That's what I tell my wife about Playboy magazine -- Greg >> > >
RE: MSDN mag
To a degree, but I think that's more of a factor of what people are working on at the time and what they are comfortable with. For example, our team writes MSDN articles and we going to be talking about the new features that we just wrote, not existing areas that haven't been touched in years. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:46 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: MSDN mag MSDN floats with the DPE tide mark. Its an editorial version of evangelism and its sole purpose is to get folks onto the new while showing them bridges from the old to the new. If DPE spend cycles talking to you about Windows 8 AppStore + JavaScript then MSDN will usually follow. This is really not a "magazine" for sustaining existing adoption(s) its really a marketing tool to get you move over to whatever next.. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Greg Keogh mailto:g...@mira.net>> wrote: MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance at the front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer never to be looked at again. Am I the only one? Hell no! I'm fed up with articles about phones, Windows 8, Store Apps, Javascript and WinRT (mostly telling us what WinRT can't do). For years I was also slowly getting sick of McCaffrey's articles which were getting so academic that they were useless for real-world developers. So useless in fact that I was going to email the editors and politely tell them that although I'm a profound geek, I have absolutely no use for genetic algorithms, matrix decomposition, adaptive boosting or artificial immune systems. Even Petzold's relentless articles about perspective graphics and music synthesis aren't of much use or interest (even though I'm a musician). I have an almost unbroken set of issues going back to May 1993, and in the last 2 years I have felt the same shift of focus away from core languages, tools and frameworks into what marketing must think they want us to read. I scan all pages, but I find I'm increasingly flipping over more and more pages like you. Greg K P.S. I'd better go and look in the letterbox.
Re: MSDN mag
New isn't bad but it needs to balance out and if anyone inside the company
actually thinks the large majority of .NET developers are working on "new"
day in day out they probably have a distorted view over the entire
landscape. The reports I used to read / get on developer adoption were
inaccurate and often the surveys were gamed / asked irrelevant questions to
give projection of growth ("Would you consider x new technology vs Are you
working right now with X technology"). For instance we had at one stage 2%
adoption of WPF and 60% adoption of Silverlight out of 10 million
developers.
Then the next month the numbers were revised and it was 6 million and the %
changed but then when I flew around Australia visiting customers / CIO's
etc I'd ask the question how they are doing in terms of adopting the new -
answers I got back were "We're looking into it but a core code base is
still ASP.NET or WinForms". I also keep tabs with Recruiters and ask the
same question today, again WPF is aspirational but typically its WinForms /
ASP.NET and lately its gone into a bit of a stall as they aren't sure what
Microsoft are doing around adoption / strategies.
To me MSDN should be a bout new and old even if they have to separate the
magazine into two sections.
---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:33 AM, David Kean wrote:
> To a degree, but I think that’s more of a factor of what people are
> working on at the time and what they are comfortable with. For example, our
> team writes MSDN articles and we going to be talking about the new features
> that we just wrote, not existing areas that haven’t been touched in years.
>
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:46 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: MSDN mag
>
> ** **
>
> MSDN floats with the DPE tide mark. Its an editorial version of evangelism
> and its sole purpose is to get folks onto the new while showing them
> bridges from the old to the new. If DPE spend cycles talking to you about
> Windows 8 AppStore + JavaScript then MSDN will usually follow.
>
> ** **
>
> This is really not a "magazine" for sustaining existing adoption(s) its
> really a marketing tool to get you move over to whatever next..
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Greg Keogh wrote:
>
> MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance
> at the front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer
> never to be looked at again.
>
> Am I the only one?
>
>
>
> Hell no! I'm fed up with articles about phones, Windows 8, Store Apps,
> Javascript and WinRT (mostly telling us what WinRT *can't do*). For years
> I was also slowly getting sick of McCaffrey's articles which were getting
> so academic that they were useless for real-world developers. So useless in
> fact that I was going to email the editors and politely tell them that
> although I'm a profound geek, I have absolutely no use for genetic
> algorithms, matrix decomposition, adaptive boosting or artificial immune
> systems. Even Petzold's relentless articles about perspective graphics and
> music synthesis aren't of much use or interest (even though I'm a musician).
>
>
>
>
> I have an almost unbroken set of issues going back to May 1993, and in the
> last 2 years I have felt the same shift of focus away from core languages,
> tools and frameworks into what marketing must think they want us to read. I
> scan all pages, but I find I'm increasingly flipping over more and more
> pages like you.
>
>
>
> Greg K
>
>
>
> P.S. I'd better go and look in the letterbox.
>
> ** **
>
Re: MSDN mag
Yes that might be where you want the customer to go, but I assure you that it isn't necessarily where the customer is going. The recent debacle with the tablet should be showing Microsoft that customers are not as willing to follow them blindly. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:03 AM, David Kean wrote: > To a degree, but I think that’s more of a factor of what people are > working on at the time and what they are comfortable with. For example, our > team writes MSDN articles and we going to be talking about the new features > that we just wrote, not existing areas that haven’t been touched in years. > > > ** ** > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes > *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:46 PM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: MSDN mag > > ** ** > > MSDN floats with the DPE tide mark. Its an editorial version of evangelism > and its sole purpose is to get folks onto the new while showing them > bridges from the old to the new. If DPE spend cycles talking to you about > Windows 8 AppStore + JavaScript then MSDN will usually follow. > > ** ** > > This is really not a "magazine" for sustaining existing adoption(s) its > really a marketing tool to get you move over to whatever next.. > > > > > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > ** ** > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Greg Keogh wrote: > > MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance > at the front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer > never to be looked at again. > > Am I the only one? > > > > Hell no! I'm fed up with articles about phones, Windows 8, Store Apps, > Javascript and WinRT (mostly telling us what WinRT *can't do*). For years > I was also slowly getting sick of McCaffrey's articles which were getting > so academic that they were useless for real-world developers. So useless in > fact that I was going to email the editors and politely tell them that > although I'm a profound geek, I have absolutely no use for genetic > algorithms, matrix decomposition, adaptive boosting or artificial immune > systems. Even Petzold's relentless articles about perspective graphics and > music synthesis aren't of much use or interest (even though I'm a musician). > > > > > I have an almost unbroken set of issues going back to May 1993, and in the > last 2 years I have felt the same shift of focus away from core languages, > tools and frameworks into what marketing must think they want us to read. I > scan all pages, but I find I'm increasingly flipping over more and more > pages like you. > > > > Greg K > > > > P.S. I'd better go and look in the letterbox. > > ** ** > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
Re: MSDN mag
Omg yes. If you have ever tried to sit down on a tablet and do something and after a few minutes of failing thought "fuck this, I need a real computer" then you know what I am talking about. When tablets can do everything a pc can do now then we won't need pc's. But there is still a lot tablets can't do. My desktop is a gaming rig When a tablet can do that then the desktops will have also improved... Will tablets ever catch up? On 01/10/2013 11:24 AM, "mike smith" wrote: > Yes that might be where you want the customer to go, but I assure you that > it isn't necessarily where the customer is going. The recent debacle with > the tablet should be showing Microsoft that customers are not as willing to > follow them blindly. > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:03 AM, David Kean wrote: > >> To a degree, but I think that’s more of a factor of what people are >> working on at the time and what they are comfortable with. For example, our >> team writes MSDN articles and we going to be talking about the new features >> that we just wrote, not existing areas that haven’t been touched in years. >> >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: >> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:46 PM >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Subject:* Re: MSDN mag >> >> ** ** >> >> MSDN floats with the DPE tide mark. Its an editorial version of >> evangelism and its sole purpose is to get folks onto the new while showing >> them bridges from the old to the new. If DPE spend cycles talking to you >> about Windows 8 AppStore + JavaScript then MSDN will usually follow. >> >> ** ** >> >> This is really not a "magazine" for sustaining existing adoption(s) its >> really a marketing tool to get you move over to whatever next.. >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Regards, >> Scott Barnes >> http://www.riagenic.com >> >> ** ** >> >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Greg Keogh wrote: >> >> MSDN mag was once something I read cover to cover. Now, I glance >> at the front page, maybe read the editorial, then throw it into a drawer >> never to be looked at again. >> >> Am I the only one? >> >> >> >> Hell no! I'm fed up with articles about phones, Windows 8, Store Apps, >> Javascript and WinRT (mostly telling us what WinRT *can't do*). For >> years I was also slowly getting sick of McCaffrey's articles which were >> getting so academic that they were useless for real-world developers. So >> useless in fact that I was going to email the editors and politely tell >> them that although I'm a profound geek, I have absolutely no use for >> genetic algorithms, matrix decomposition, adaptive boosting or artificial >> immune systems. Even Petzold's relentless articles about perspective >> graphics and music synthesis aren't of much use or interest (even though >> I'm a musician). >> >> >> >> I have an almost unbroken set of issues going back to May 1993, and in >> the last 2 years I have felt the same shift of focus away from core >> languages, tools and frameworks into what marketing must think they want us >> to read. I scan all pages, but I find I'm increasingly flipping over more >> and more pages like you. >> >> >> >> Greg K >> >> >> >> P.S. I'd better go and look in the letterbox. >> >> ** ** >> > > > > -- > Meski > >http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > > "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, > you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills >
