Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Michael Ridland]

Sorry, disappointed not disappointing.



On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:

>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Simple-Talk Special Mailing 
> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
> Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
> To: "rid...@gmail.com" 
>
>
> An open letter to the .NET community
>
> Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET
> Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a
> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates.
>
> As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector
> as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without
> charge, we realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that
> this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize
> for the change in policy.
>
> As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to
> keep .NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we
> cannot dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a
> valuable part of .NET developers' toolboxes.
>
> As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute any
> thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector 
> forum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Neil Davidson
> Co-CEO, Red Gate Software
>
>  Link to more:
>
>- Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET
>Reflector 
> decision.
>- Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the
>future of .NET Reflector. 
>- New features in V7 of .NET 
> Reflector.
>- Forum for feedback and 
> discussion.
>- Free downloads of .NET 
> Reflector.
>
>  You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a
> current .NET Reflector newsletter subscriber. To unsubscribe from the .NET
> Reflector newsletter please click 
> here.Or
>  write to Simple Talk, Red Gate Software, Newnham House, Cambridge
> Business Park, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, United Kingdom.
>
>

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Craig van Nieuwkerk]

Very disappointing. I am not sure why they need 'a team of developers' to
maintain it. People would be happy i am sure with the earlier version with
less features and lower (zero) price.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:

>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Simple-Talk Special Mailing 
> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
> Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
> To: "rid...@gmail.com" 
>
>
> An open letter to the .NET community
>
> Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET
> Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a
> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates.
>
> As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector
> as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without
> charge, we realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that
> this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize
> for the change in policy.
>
> As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to
> keep .NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we
> cannot dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a
> valuable part of .NET developers' toolboxes.
>
> As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute any
> thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector 
> forum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Neil Davidson
> Co-CEO, Red Gate Software
>
>  Link to more:
>
>- Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET
>Reflector 
> decision.
>- Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the
>future of .NET Reflector. 
>- New features in V7 of .NET 
> Reflector.
>- Forum for feedback and 
> discussion.
>- Free downloads of .NET 
> Reflector.
>
>  You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a
> current .NET Reflector newsletter subscriber. To unsubscribe from the .NET
> Reflector newsletter please click 
> here.Or
>  write to Simple Talk, Red Gate Software, Newnham House, Cambridge
> Business Park, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, United Kingdom.
>
>
>

RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Tony Wright]

Yea, how about they just give it back!

-Original Message-
From: Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 9:23 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

Very disappointing. I am not sure why they need 'a team of developers' to
maintain it. People would be happy i am sure with the earlier version with
less features and lower (zero) price.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:

>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Simple-Talk Special Mailing 
> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
> Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
> To: "rid...@gmail.com" 
>
>
> An open letter to the .NET community
>
> Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET
> Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a
> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates.
>
> As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector
> as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without
> charge, we realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that
> this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize
> for the change in policy.
>
> As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to
> keep .NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we
> cannot dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a
> valuable part of .NET developers' toolboxes.
>
> As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute any
> thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector 
> forum.<http://www.red-gate.com/MessageBoard/viewforum.php?f=141?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=ReflectorForum-20110202>
>
> Sincerely,
> Neil Davidson
> Co-CEO, Red Gate Software
>
>  Link to more:
>
>- Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET
>Reflector 
> decision.<http://www.red-Gate.com/products/dotnet-development/reflector/announcement-faq?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=ReflectorFAQ-20110202>
>- Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the
>future of .NET Reflector. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnEjiSGZLA>
>- New features in V7 of .NET 
> Reflector.<http://www.simple-talk.com/community/blogs/clivet/archive/2011/02/01/99118.aspx?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=CliveBlog-20110202>
>- Forum for feedback and 
> discussion.<http://www.red-gate.com/MessageBoard/viewforum.php?f=141?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=ReflectorForum-20110202>
>- Free downloads of .NET 
> Reflector.<http://reflector.red-gate.com/download.aspx?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=ReflectorDownload-20110202>
>
>  You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a
> current .NET Reflector newsletter subscriber. To unsubscribe from the .NET
> Reflector newsletter please click 
> here.<http://www.simple-talk.com/newsletter/user-unsubscribe.aspx?s=250122&l=15&e=rid...@gmail.com&p=7315>Or
>  write to Simple Talk, Red Gate Software, Newnham House, Cambridge
> Business Park, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, United Kingdom.
>
>
>

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Winston Pang]

I don't understand either, sure the integration into VS is a nice to
have, but I don't give a crap, I just like it the way it is. They
should just give us a nice clean one that's free, and besides most of
the code I bet is probably still from Lutz Roeder anyways.


On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk  wrote:
> Very disappointing. I am not sure why they need 'a team of developers' to
> maintain it. People would be happy i am sure with the earlier version with
> less features and lower (zero) price.
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:
>>
>> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Simple-Talk Special Mailing 
>> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
>> Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
>> To: "rid...@gmail.com" 
>>
>>
>> An open letter to the .NET community
>>
>> Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET
>> Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a
>> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates.
>>
>> As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector
>> as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without
>> charge, we realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that
>> this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize
>> for the change in policy.
>>
>> As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to
>> keep .NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we
>> cannot dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a
>> valuable part of .NET developers' toolboxes.
>>
>> As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute
>> any thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector forum.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Neil Davidson
>> Co-CEO, Red Gate Software
>>
>> Link to more:
>>
>> Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET Reflector
>> decision.
>> Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the future of
>> .NET Reflector.
>> New features in V7 of .NET Reflector.
>> Forum for feedback and discussion.
>> Free downloads of .NET Reflector.
>>
>> You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a
>> current .NET Reflector newsletter subscriber. To unsubscribe from the .NET
>> Reflector newsletter please click here. Or write to Simple Talk, Red Gate
>> Software, Newnham House, Cambridge Business Park, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, United
>> Kingdom.
>
>

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Noon Silk]

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:
>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.

Can hardly blame a company for wanting money. I don't see it as being
that valuable anyway; I've only used it a handful of times. Useful,
but not required by any means. And it's not going away.

I think the attitude of not wanting to pay for software is kind of
anti-productive. Some of the best tools for programming are not free
(others are). And, I mean, it's $35 dollars. I'd guess that almost all
of us are paid at the very least more than that per hour. It's hardly
breaking the bank, if you do want it.

-- 
Noon Silk

http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 >

Fancy a quantum lunch?
http://www.mirios.com.au:8081/index.php?title=Quantum_Lunch

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of being this signature."

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Richards]

The first thing thing that came to mind was: The first one is always free.


David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama




On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 09:23, Craig van Nieuwkerk  wrote:
> Very disappointing. I am not sure why they need 'a team of developers' to
> maintain it. People would be happy i am sure with the earlier version with
> less features and lower (zero) price.
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:
>>
>> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.
>>

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Arjang Assadi]

On 3 February 2011 09:23, Craig van Nieuwkerk  wrote:
> Very disappointing. I am not sure why they need 'a team of developers' to
> maintain it.

Craig,

To paraquote "The Big Lbeowski" : They have two teams of developers
working in shifts 24/7 just so that the reflector doesn't stop
working! :)

Regards

Arjang

RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Kean]

I agree. This tool is one of the most popular and most used tools in the .NET 
Community. I'll have happily paid this amount 10 times over based on how much 
I've used this tool. Half the CLR team uses this tool - so that's a sign off 
its usefulness. I don't see a problem with paying for something that pays for 
itself in time saved.

You'd be surprised at how much this would actually cost to maintain, while Lutz 
wrote this on his own - there's a reason he sold it.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Noon Silk
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:28 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:
>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.

Can hardly blame a company for wanting money. I don't see it as being that 
valuable anyway; I've only used it a handful of times. Useful, but not required 
by any means. And it's not going away.

I think the attitude of not wanting to pay for software is kind of 
anti-productive. Some of the best tools for programming are not free (others 
are). And, I mean, it's $35 dollars. I'd guess that almost all of us are paid 
at the very least more than that per hour. It's hardly breaking the bank, if 
you do want it.

--
Noon Silk

http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 >

Fancy a quantum lunch?
http://www.mirios.com.au:8081/index.php?title=Quantum_Lunch

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy - the joy of being 
this signature."

RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Boccabella]

I don't mind paying $35 for it.  The number of times I have been able to go
into other programs ad find out what they are doing has been invaluable.
Esp when one if trying to get  company 1 program talking with  company 2.

Dave



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-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 9:03 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

I agree. This tool is one of the most popular and most used tools in the
.NET Community. I'll have happily paid this amount 10 times over based on
how much I've used this tool. Half the CLR team uses this tool - so that's a
sign off its usefulness. I don't see a problem with paying for something
that pays for itself in time saved.

You'd be surprised at how much this would actually cost to maintain, while
Lutz wrote this on his own - there's a reason he sold it.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Noon Silk
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:28 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:
>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.

Can hardly blame a company for wanting money. I don't see it as being that
valuable anyway; I've only used it a handful of times. Useful, but not
required by any means. And it's not going away.

I think the attitude of not wanting to pay for software is kind of
anti-productive. Some of the best tools for programming are not free (others
are). And, I mean, it's $35 dollars. I'd guess that almost all of us are
paid at the very least more than that per hour. It's hardly breaking the
bank, if you do want it.

--
Noon Silk

http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 >

Fancy a quantum lunch?
http://www.mirios.com.au:8081/index.php?title=Quantum_Lunch

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy - the joy of
being this signature."

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Grant Molloy]

The below email was sent by Lutz in Sep 2008...
It would be interesting to know what was in his "Agreement with Red Gate" !!

After more than eight years of working on .NET Reflector, I have decided it
> is time to move on and explore some new opportunities.

I have reached an agreement to have Red Gate
Software continue
> the development of .NET Reflector. Red Gate has a lot of experience
> creating development tools for both .NET and SQL Server. They have the
> resources necessary to work on new features, and Reflector fits nicely
> with other .NET tools the company offers.

Red Gate will continue to provide the free community version and is looking
> for your feedback and ideas for future versions.

For news and updates on Reflector, sign up for the .NET Developer’s
> Newsletter  from Red Gate.
> To find out more about the agreement, see the interview on Simple 
> Talk
> .



On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:

>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Simple-Talk Special Mailing 
> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
> Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
> To: "rid...@gmail.com" 
>
>
> An open letter to the .NET community
>
> Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET
> Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a
> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates.
>
> As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector
> as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without
> charge, we realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that
> this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize
> for the change in policy.
>
> As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to
> keep .NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we
> cannot dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a
> valuable part of .NET developers' toolboxes.
>
> As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute any
> thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector 
> forum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Neil Davidson
> Co-CEO, Red Gate Software
>
>  Link to more:
>
>- Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET
>Reflector 
> decision.
>- Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the
>future of .NET Reflector. 
>- New features in V7 of .NET 
> Reflector.
>- Forum for feedback and 
> discussion.
>- Free downloads of .NET 
> Reflector.
>
>  You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a
> current .NET Reflector newsletter subscriber. To unsubscribe from the .NET
> Reflector newsletter please click 
> here.Or
>  write to Simple Talk, Red Gate Software, Newnham House, Cambridge
> Business Park, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, United Kingdom.
>
>
>

RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Kean]

The agreement was 'You pay me lots of money - I'll give you the IP' :)

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Grant Molloy
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:43 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

The below email was sent by Lutz in Sep 2008...
It would be interesting to know what was in his "Agreement with Red Gate" !!

After more than eight years of working on .NET Reflector, I have decided it is 
time to move on and explore some new opportunities.
I have reached an agreement to have Red Gate Software<http://www.red-gate.com/> 
continue the development of .NET Reflector. Red Gate has a lot of experience 
creating development tools for both .NET and SQL Server. They have the 
resources necessary to work on new features, and Reflector fits nicely with 
other .NET tools the company offers.
Red Gate will continue to provide the free community version and is looking for 
your feedback and ideas for future versions.
For news and updates on Reflector, sign up for the .NET Developer's 
Newsletter<http://reflector.red-gate.com/subscribe.aspx> from Red Gate. To find 
out more about the agreement, see the interview on Simple 
Talk<http://www.simple-talk.com/the_future_of_reflector>.



On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Michael Ridland 
mailto:rid...@gmail.com>> wrote:

How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.



-- Forwarded message --
From: Simple-Talk Special Mailing 
mailto:newslet...@simple-talk.com>>
Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
To: "rid...@gmail.com<mailto:rid...@gmail.com>" 
mailto:rid...@gmail.com>>


An open letter to the .NET community

Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET Reflector 
upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a perpetual license, 
with no time bomb or forced updates.

As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector as a 
free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without charge, we 
realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that this will 
cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize for the 
change in policy.

As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to keep 
.NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we cannot 
dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a valuable part 
of .NET developers' toolboxes.

As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute any 
thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector 
forum.<http://www.red-gate.com/MessageBoard/viewforum.php?f=141?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=ReflectorForum-20110202>

Sincerely,
Neil Davidson
Co-CEO, Red Gate Software

Link to more:

  *   Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET 
Reflector 
decision.<http://www.red-Gate.com/products/dotnet-development/reflector/announcement-faq?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=ReflectorFAQ-20110202>
  *   Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the future 
of .NET Reflector.<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnEjiSGZLA>
  *   New features in V7 of .NET 
Reflector.<http://www.simple-talk.com/community/blogs/clivet/archive/2011/02/01/99118.aspx?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=CliveBlog-20110202>
  *   Forum for feedback and 
discussion.<http://www.red-gate.com/MessageBoard/viewforum.php?f=141?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=ReflectorForum-20110202>
  *   Free downloads of .NET 
Reflector.<http://reflector.red-gate.com/download.aspx?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-specialmailing&utm_content=ReflectorDownload-20110202>
You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a current 
.NET Reflector newsletter subscriber. To unsubscribe from the .NET Reflector 
newsletter please click 
here.<http://www.simple-talk.com/newsletter/user-unsubscribe.aspx?s=250122&l=15&e=rid...@gmail.com&p=7315>
 Or write to Simple Talk, Red Gate Software, Newnham House, Cambridge Business 
Park, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, United Kingdom.

RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[James Chapman-Smith]

It even prompted me to write my first blog entry
  in nearly two and a half years about it!

 

http://www.enigmativity.com/blog/2011/02/03/Red+Gate+Will+Be+Charging+35+For
+NET+Reflector.aspx

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Michael Ridland
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 08:49
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Fwd: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

 


How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate. 




-- Forwarded message --
From: Simple-Talk Special Mailing 
Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
To: "rid...@gmail.com" 

An open letter to the .NET community 

Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET
Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a
perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates. 

As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector
as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without
charge, we realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that
this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize
for the change in policy. 

As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to keep
.NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we cannot
dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a valuable
part of .NET developers' toolboxes. 

As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute any
thoughts on this subject to our

.NET Reflector forum. 

Sincerely,
Neil Davidson
Co-CEO, Red Gate Software

Link to more: 

*
 Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's
.NET Reflector decision.
* Video interview with
Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the future of .NET Reflector.
*
 New features in V7 of .NET Reflector.
*

Forum for feedback and discussion.
*
 Free
downloads of .NET Reflector.

You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a
current .NET Reflector newsletter subscriber. To unsubscribe from the .NET
Reflector newsletter please
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Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Tony McGee]

While it's a shame the free version won't be available anymore I'm not 
disappointed at Red Gate. I'm only disappointed in the sense of 
entitlement coming from some members of the .NET community on this.


We've had the free ride for such a long time so it's easy to forget 
someone's time and effort to maintain Reflector isn't free.
The new price seems very reasonable for the benefit the tool provides to 
a lot of developers.
It's a great tool, so if it provides $35 worth of value why not just buy 
it!?



On 3/02/2011 4:41 PM, James Chapman-Smith wrote:


It even prompted me to write my first blog entry 
 
in nearly two and a half years about it!


http://www.enigmativity.com/blog/2011/02/03/Red+Gate+Will+Be+Charging+35+For+NET+Reflector.aspx

*From:*ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Ridland

*Sent:* Thursday, 3 February 2011 08:49
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Fwd: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector


How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.


-- Forwarded message --
From: *Simple-Talk Special Mailing* >

Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
To: "rid...@gmail.com " >


An open letter to the .NET community

Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET 
Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a 
perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates.


As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET 
Reflector as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing 
it without charge, we realized that we could not make the free model 
work. We know that this will cause pain for some people in the .NET 
community, and we apologize for the change in policy.


As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount 
to keep .NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming 
in, we cannot dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector 
remains a valuable part of .NET developers' toolboxes.


As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please 
contribute any thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector forum. 
 



Sincerely,
Neil Davidson
Co-CEO, Red Gate Software

Link to more:

* Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET
  Reflector decision.
  

* Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the
  future of .NET Reflector.
  
* New features in V7 of .NET Reflector.
  

* Forum for feedback and discussion.
  

* Free downloads of .NET Reflector.
  


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Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Joseph Cooney]

Like many things in software development (and life) I think it's all about
managing expectations. By choosing the word they did in their initial
announcement red-gate set the expectation that there would continue to be a
free version of reflector in perpetuity, so some people (I think
understandably) feel a bit put-out when they don't meet that expectation.
Will I buy a copy of reflector when it's released? Sure. Am I happy about
having to keep track of reflector license keys, and not being able to assume
everyone has and uses reflector? Not so much. Do I look forward to having to
carefully scrutinize everything red-gate say in case of future
back-pedaling? No. For example in their most recent communique red-gate said
"Version 7 will be sold as a perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced
updates". How should I take that given their change of heart on the free
version?

Joseph

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Tony McGee  wrote:

>  While it's a shame the free version won't be available anymore I'm not
> disappointed at Red Gate. I'm only disappointed in the sense of entitlement
> coming from some members of the .NET community on this.
>
> We've had the free ride for such a long time so it's easy to forget
> someone's time and effort to maintain Reflector isn't free.
> The new price seems very reasonable for the benefit the tool provides to a
> lot of developers.
> It's a great tool, so if it provides $35 worth of value why not just buy
> it!?
>
>
> On 3/02/2011 4:41 PM, James Chapman-Smith wrote:
>
>  It even prompted me to write my first blog 
> entryin
>  nearly two and a half years about it!
>
>
>
>
> http://www.enigmativity.com/blog/2011/02/03/Red+Gate+Will+Be+Charging+35+For+NET+Reflector.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Michael Ridland
> *Sent:* Thursday, 3 February 2011 08:49
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Fwd: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
>
>
>
>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.
>
>
>  -- Forwarded message --
> From: *Simple-Talk Special Mailing* 
> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
> Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
> To: "rid...@gmail.com" 
>
> An open letter to the .NET community
>
> Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET
> Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a
> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates.
>
> As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector
> as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without
> charge, we realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that
> this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize
> for the change in policy.
>
> As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to
> keep .NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we
> cannot dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a
> valuable part of .NET developers' toolboxes.
>
> As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute any
> thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector 
> forum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Neil Davidson
> Co-CEO, Red Gate Software
>
> Link to more:
>
>- Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET
>Reflector 
> decision.
>- Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the
>future of .NET Reflector. 
>- New features in V7 of .NET 
> Reflector.
>- Forum for feedback and 
> discussion.
>- Free downloads of .NET 
> Reflector.
>
> You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a
> current .NET Reflector newsletter subscriber. To unsubscribe from the .NET
> Reflector newsletter please click 
> here.Or
>  write to Simple Talk, Red Gate Software, Newnham House, Cambridge
> Business Park, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, U

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Noon Silk]

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Joseph Cooney  wrote:
> Like many things in software development (and life) I think it's all about
> managing expectations. By choosing the word they did in their initial
> announcement red-gate set the expectation that there would continue to be a
> free version of reflector in perpetuity, so some people (I think
> understandably) feel a bit put-out when they don't meet that expectation.
> Will I buy a copy of reflector when it's released? Sure. Am I happy about
> having to keep track of reflector license keys, and not being able to assume
> everyone has and uses reflector? Not so much. Do I look forward to having to
> carefully scrutinize everything red-gate say in case of future
> back-pedaling? No. For example in their most recent communique red-gate said
> "Version 7 will be sold as a perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced
> updates". How should I take that given their change of heart on the free
> version?

Free can become not; perpetual can't stop being so, or else it wasn't
in the first place.


> Joseph
>
> --
>
> w: http://jcooney.net
> t: @josephcooney

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Fancy a quantum lunch?
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of being this signature."

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Richards]

I rarely used Reflector so ultimately, this doesn't bother me too
much.  The real question is whether they leave a free (and obviously
older) version available.  If yes then I don't really have a problem
with this.  They could qualify the name of the paid version with "pro"
or something (since they already have a pro edition). In this case,
they are living up to the "we'll keep it free" statement and simply
offering a new product based on the free version. A subtle yet very
important distinction.

If, on the other hand, they remove all links to the older free version
making it difficult (never quite impossible) to get, I'd consider this
very poor form and would mentally give them a black mark and tend to
avoid their business in future and would volunteer my negative opinion
to others.

Time will tell.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama







On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 22:48, Noon Silk  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Joseph Cooney  
> wrote:
>> Like many things in software development (and life) I think it's all about
>> managing expectations. By choosing the word they did in their initial
>> announcement red-gate set the expectation that there would continue to be a
>> free version of reflector in perpetuity, so some people (I think
>> understandably) feel a bit put-out when they don't meet that expectation.
>> Will I buy a copy of reflector when it's released? Sure. Am I happy about
>> having to keep track of reflector license keys, and not being able to assume
>> everyone has and uses reflector? Not so much. Do I look forward to having to
>> carefully scrutinize everything red-gate say in case of future
>> back-pedaling? No. For example in their most recent communique red-gate said
>> "Version 7 will be sold as a perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced
>> updates". How should I take that given their change of heart on the free
>> version?
>
> Free can become not; perpetual can't stop being so, or else it wasn't
> in the first place.
>
>
>> Joseph
>>
>> --
>>
>> w: http://jcooney.net
>> t: @josephcooney
>
> --
> Noon Silk
>
> http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 >
>
> Fancy a quantum lunch?
> http://www.mirios.com.au:8081/index.php?title=Quantum_Lunch
>
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy
> of being this signature."
>

RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Kean]

The free one is timebombed, so yes, there won't be any free version around 
(unless you grab the earlier non-timebombed versions that Lutz released ages 
ago).

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:11 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

I rarely used Reflector so ultimately, this doesn't bother me too much.  The 
real question is whether they leave a free (and obviously
older) version available.  If yes then I don't really have a problem with this. 
 They could qualify the name of the paid version with "pro"
or something (since they already have a pro edition). In this case, they are 
living up to the "we'll keep it free" statement and simply offering a new 
product based on the free version. A subtle yet very important distinction.

If, on the other hand, they remove all links to the older free version making 
it difficult (never quite impossible) to get, I'd consider this very poor form 
and would mentally give them a black mark and tend to avoid their business in 
future and would volunteer my negative opinion to others.

Time will tell.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama







On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 22:48, Noon Silk  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Joseph Cooney  
> wrote:
>> Like many things in software development (and life) I think it's all 
>> about managing expectations. By choosing the word they did in their 
>> initial announcement red-gate set the expectation that there would 
>> continue to be a free version of reflector in perpetuity, so some 
>> people (I think
>> understandably) feel a bit put-out when they don't meet that expectation.
>> Will I buy a copy of reflector when it's released? Sure. Am I happy 
>> about having to keep track of reflector license keys, and not being 
>> able to assume everyone has and uses reflector? Not so much. Do I 
>> look forward to having to carefully scrutinize everything red-gate 
>> say in case of future back-pedaling? No. For example in their most 
>> recent communique red-gate said "Version 7 will be sold as a 
>> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates". How should I 
>> take that given their change of heart on the free version?
>
> Free can become not; perpetual can't stop being so, or else it wasn't 
> in the first place.
>
>
>> Joseph
>>
>> --
>>
>> w: http://jcooney.net
>> t: @josephcooney
>
> --
> Noon Silk
>
> http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | 
> http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 >
>
> Fancy a quantum lunch?
> http://www.mirios.com.au:8081/index.php?title=Quantum_Lunch
>
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy - the joy 
> of being this signature."
>

RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Boccabella]

I've been watching my mailbox fill up with this.. well essentially whinging.

Its not as if they decided to charge several hundred for a package which can
be pretty handy to have. The fact that they are offering a lifetime
subscription for $35 is pretty good value. And what is $35?, certainly far
less than the development environment that it works in conjunction with.
 
In fact if one cost up the value of your development PC, your Visual Studio
Application, and a couple of reasonable data connections then $35 is hardly
anything.

And I am very sure that there will be hacks and cracks around for it is  the
$35 proves to be too much.

Dave




David J. Boccabella
Proprietor
Anubis Systems
Phone: 0433 808 525
Fax: 3200 0085
Email:  davidboccabe...@anubis-systems.com

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-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Friday, 4 February 2011 7:16 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

The free one is timebombed, so yes, there won't be any free version around
(unless you grab the earlier non-timebombed versions that Lutz released ages
ago).

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:11 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

I rarely used Reflector so ultimately, this doesn't bother me too much.  The
real question is whether they leave a free (and obviously
older) version available.  If yes then I don't really have a problem with
this.  They could qualify the name of the paid version with "pro"
or something (since they already have a pro edition). In this case, they are
living up to the "we'll keep it free" statement and simply offering a new
product based on the free version. A subtle yet very important distinction.

If, on the other hand, they remove all links to the older free version
making it difficult (never quite impossible) to get, I'd consider this very
poor form and would mentally give them a black mark and tend to avoid their
business in future and would volunteer my negative opinion to others.

Time will tell.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama







On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 22:48, Noon Silk  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Joseph Cooney 
wrote:
>> Like many things in software development (and life) I think it's all 
>> about managing expectations. By choosing the word they did in their 
>> initial announcement red-gate set the expectation that there would 
>> continue to be a free version of reflector in perpetuity, so some 
>> people (I think
>> understandably) feel a bit put-out when they don't meet that expectation.
>> Will I buy a copy of reflector when it's released? Sure. Am I happy 
>> about having to keep track of reflector license keys, and not being 
>> able to assume everyone has and uses reflector? Not so much. Do I 
>> look forward to having to carefully scrutinize everything red-gate 
>> say in case of future back-pedaling? No. For example in their most 
>> recent communique red-gate said "Version 7 will be sold as a 
>> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates". How should I 
>> take that given their change of heart on the free version?
>
> Free can become not; perpetual can't stop being so, or else it wasn't 
> in the first place.
>
>
>> Joseph
>>
>> --
>>
>> w: http://jcooney.net
>> t: @josephcooney
>
> --
> Noon Silk
>
> http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | 
> http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 >
>
> Fancy a quantum lunch?
> http://www.mirios.com.au:8081/index.php?title=Quantum_Lunch
>
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy - the joy 
> of being this signature."
>

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Richards]

David,

To use an old and tired cliche... It's the principle.  I doubt anyone
here consideres $35 much for what it is.  It's more the fact that it
was free, it was taken over by a company that claimed it would be
free... but it's not going to be free.  As I said before, I would have
no problem if they kept the free version available but then said...
"or you could have this shiny new version for just $35".  That would
be acceptable. But that's apparently not what's going to happen.

Ultimately, I dont really care that much, I think I've used it twice
ever.  But I think I'm justified in not liking what's being done.  I'm
sure it's been done with other projects in the past and will continue
to be done in the future by any number of companies.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama







On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:39, David Boccabella
 wrote:
> I've been watching my mailbox fill up with this.. well essentially whinging.
>
> Its not as if they decided to charge several hundred for a package which can
> be pretty handy to have. The fact that they are offering a lifetime
> subscription for $35 is pretty good value. And what is $35?, certainly far
> less than the development environment that it works in conjunction with.
>
> In fact if one cost up the value of your development PC, your Visual Studio
> Application, and a couple of reasonable data connections then $35 is hardly
> anything.
>
> And I am very sure that there will be hacks and cracks around for it is  the
> $35 proves to be too much.
>
> Dave
>

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Connors]

On 4 February 2011 11:07, David Richards wrote:

> To use an old and tired cliche... It's the principle.  I doubt anyone
> here consideres $35 much for what it is.  It's more the fact that it
> was free, it was taken over by a company that claimed it would be
> free... but it's not going to be free.  As I said before, I would have
> no problem if they kept the free version available but then said...
> "or you could have this shiny new version for just $35".  That would
> be acceptable. But that's apparently not what's going to happen.
>
> Ultimately, I dont really care that much, I think I've used it twice
> ever.  But I think I'm justified in not liking what's being done.  I'm
> sure it's been done with other projects in the past and will continue
> to be done in the future by any number of companies.


Circumstances can change.

I think this thread is done.

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RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Bill McCarthy]

Don't forget that VS Express is FREE. That is, there is a "free" segment of
the developer community, be they students, etc, etc, etc.

Personally I think Red Gate are making a mistake with their customers.  They
do have two versions of Reflector, one they market as Pro and charge $90 odd
for. If the argument is they haven't been able to raise enough revenue, then
they have failed to differentiate the products enough, and/or are asking too
much for the pro version. They maybe more successful and seed far less ill
will if they were to offer the free version as a  basic with no plug-in
ability (perhaps limit it to only IL, VB and C# etc), and then offer the Pro
version with all the other features for a *reduced* price.  

The reality is they are only planning on charging for the currently free
version due to their failure to market/sell their pro version.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Boccabella
|Sent: Friday, 4 February 2011 11:40 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
|
|I've been watching my mailbox fill up with this.. well essentially
whinging.
|
|Its not as if they decided to charge several hundred for a package which
can be
|pretty handy to have. The fact that they are offering a lifetime
subscription for
|$35 is pretty good value. And what is $35?, certainly far less than the
|development environment that it works in conjunction with.
|
|In fact if one cost up the value of your development PC, your Visual Studio
|Application, and a couple of reasonable data connections then $35 is hardly
|anything.
|
|And I am very sure that there will be hacks and cracks around for it is
the
|$35 proves to be too much.
|
|Dave
|
|
|
|*
|***
|David J. Boccabella
|Proprietor
|Anubis Systems
|Phone: 0433 808 525
|Fax: 3200 0085
|Email:  davidboccabe...@anubis-systems.com
|
|This e-mail and it's contents is confidential to Anubis Systems.
|This e-mail, any attachments, or any part of can not be reproduced without
the
|express written permission of Anubis Systems
|*
|***
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com]
|On Behalf Of David Kean
|Sent: Friday, 4 February 2011 7:16 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
|
|The free one is timebombed, so yes, there won't be any free version around
|(unless you grab the earlier non-timebombed versions that Lutz released
ages
|ago).
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com]
|On Behalf Of David Richards
|Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:11 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
|
|I rarely used Reflector so ultimately, this doesn't bother me too much.
The real
|question is whether they leave a free (and obviously
|older) version available.  If yes then I don't really have a problem with
this.
|They could qualify the name of the paid version with "pro"
|or something (since they already have a pro edition). In this case, they
are
|living up to the "we'll keep it free" statement and simply offering a new
product
|based on the free version. A subtle yet very important distinction.
|
|If, on the other hand, they remove all links to the older free version
making it
|difficult (never quite impossible) to get, I'd consider this very poor form
and
|would mentally give them a black mark and tend to avoid their business in
|future and would volunteer my negative opinion to others.
|
|Time will tell.
|
|David
|
|"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
| will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
| -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 22:48, Noon Silk  wrote:
|> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Joseph Cooney
|> 
|wrote:
|>> Like many things in software development (and life) I think it's all
|>> about managing expectations. By choosing the word they did in their
|>> initial announcement red-gate set the expectation that there would
|>> continue to be a free version of reflector in perpetuity, so some
|>> people (I think
|>> understandably) feel a bit put-out when they don't meet that
expectation.
|>> Will I buy a copy of reflector when it's released? Sure. Am I happy
|>> about having to keep track of reflector license keys, and not being
|>> able to assume everyone has and uses reflector? Not so much. Do I
|>> look forward to having to carefully scrutinize everything red-gate
|>> say in case of future back-pedaling? No. For example in their most
|>> recent communique red-gate said &qu

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Richards]

Wow, I feel like I was just told to shut up. I think I'll assume that
wasn't you're intent.  Otherwise you would have gotten such a frowny
face it would have haunted you even more than this thread :)

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama


On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:11, David Connors  wrote:
>
> I think this thread is done.
> --

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Connors]

On 4 February 2011 12:59, David Richards wrote:

> Wow, I feel like I was just told to shut up. I think I'll assume that
> wasn't you're intent.  Otherwise you would have gotten such a frowny
> face it would have haunted you even more than this thread :)


Sorry David, no - certainly not my intention - though I continue to be
dismayed at this thread.

There is a lot of moral outrage at the price of an app going from $0 to $35.
Like I said, circumstances change.

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Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[DotNet Dude]

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, David Connors  wrote:
> On 4 February 2011 12:59, David Richards 
> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I feel like I was just told to shut up. I think I'll assume that
>> wasn't you're intent.  Otherwise you would have gotten such a frowny
>> face it would have haunted you even more than this thread :)
>
> Sorry David, no - certainly not my intention - though I continue to be
> dismayed at this thread.
> There is a lot of moral outrage at the price of an app going from $0 to $35.
> Like I said, circumstances change.
>

just pretend you're paying for 35 crappy iphone apps :p

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Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Michael Minutillo]

> just pretend you're paying for 35 crappy iphone apps :p

The number is not the point. They could be charging 35c and the reaction
would (probably) be the same.
The sequence of events looks like this

* Product is free
* Product is "sold" to Company who promise to keep providing a free version
* Company starts releasing new versions. Old versions out on the web go away
* Company introduces "time-bomb" feature to "keep people up to date"
* Now that the only free versions are time bombed, Company (for whatever
reason) decides the free version will cost money

I have a resharper licence. I have a linqpad licence. I don't mind paying
for useful software. I am reluctant to start paying for software that I
have, up until now, used for free. Especially as there are not new features
that I am interested in paying for. "Not free anymore" is not a feature.

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[mike smith]

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:59 PM, David Richards  wrote:

> Wow, I feel like I was just told to shut up. I think I'll assume that
> wasn't you're intent.  Otherwise you would have gotten such a frowny
> face it would have haunted you even more than this thread :)
>
>
It's friday now, a little more latte-tude

(if someone here means ST*U, they will probably say it)

On the subject of developer utilities, anyone got a favourite for resource
editing?  I'm looking at HeavenTools stuff, this one in particular.

http://www.heaventools.com/command-line_resource_editor.htm

We have language resource files that get done by translators and supplied as
dlls.  But these are opaque as far as subversion's concerned - IOW, you cant
diff them to see what's changed.  Even BeyondCompare, my favourite diff
utility doesn't - so I want to decompile the dll back to an RC for this
purpose.



> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:11, David Connors  wrote:
> >
> > I think this thread is done.
> > --
>



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get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Mark Hurd]

On 4 February 2011 14:16, Michael Minutillo  wrote:
>> just pretend you're paying for 35 crappy iphone apps :p
> The number is not the point. They could be charging 35c and the reaction
> would (probably) be the same.
> The sequence of events looks like this
> * Product is free
> * Product is "sold" to Company who promise to keep providing a free version
> * Company starts releasing new versions. Old versions out on the web go away
> * Company introduces "time-bomb" feature to "keep people up to date"
Not True: Lutz had this in his versions too.
> * Now that the only free versions are time bombed, Company (for whatever
> reason) decides the free version will cost money
> I have a resharper licence. I have a linqpad licence. I don't mind paying
> for useful software. I am reluctant to start paying for software that I
> have, up until now, used for free. Especially as there are not new features
> that I am interested in paying for. "Not free anymore" is not a feature.

I agree with your sentiment however.

-- 
Regards,
Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[tonywr]

Actually, I look at Reflector as a tool that helped advance the cause of dot 
net. Anyone who was 
interested had a chance to delve deeply into the framework to get a true 
understanding of how the 
technology worked. It was effectively an Open System.

Once you put a price on it, the system becomes closed. There are people who may 
have had an 
interest, that may have produced something really fantastic with the knowledge 
they gained, that 
will no longer produce that because they aren't interested in paying a fee for 
something they don't 
know anything about, and aren't familiar with the benefits of using Reflector. 

The fee for use may well be valid, however I believe this argument also stands.

I hope Lutz Roder got the money he deserved and wasn't short-changed by being 
paid as though 
the product was going to be free forever.

T.


On Fri, Feb 4th, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Mark Hurd  wrote:

> On 4 February 2011 14:16, Michael Minutillo 
> wrote:
> >> just pretend you're paying for 35 crappy iphone apps :p
> > The number is not the point. They could be charging 35c and the
> reaction
> > would (probably) be the same.
> > The sequence of events looks like this
> > * Product is free
> > * Product is "sold" to Company who promise to keep providing a free
> version
> > * Company starts releasing new versions. Old versions out on the web go
> away
> > * Company introduces "time-bomb" feature to "keep people up to date"
> Not True: Lutz had this in his versions too.
> > * Now that the only free versions are time bombed, Company (for
> whatever
> > reason) decides the free version will cost money
> > I have a resharper licence. I have a linqpad licence. I don't mind
> paying
> > for useful software. I am reluctant to start paying for software that I
> > have, up until now, used for free. Especially as there are not new
> features
> > that I am interested in paying for. "Not free anymore" is not a
> feature.
> 
> I agree with your sentiment however.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
> 
> 
> 

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Noon Silk]

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:41 PM,   wrote:
> Actually, I look at Reflector as a tool that helped advance the cause of dot 
> net. Anyone who was
> interested had a chance to delve deeply into the framework to get a true 
> understanding of how the
> technology worked. It was effectively an Open System.
>
> Once you put a price on it, the system becomes closed. There are people who 
> may have had an
> interest, that may have produced something really fantastic with the 
> knowledge they gained, that
> will no longer produce that because they aren't interested in paying a fee 
> for something they don't
> know anything about, and aren't familiar with the benefits of using Reflector.
>
> The fee for use may well be valid, however I believe this argument also 
> stands.

Whether or not it stands is irrelevant. There is no god-given Right of
Reflector. If you want free software, then don't complain, *be* what
you want; *write* free software, and see how it progresses. Maybe
complaining here will have some result and RedGate will have a change
of heart. Great, you've saved $35. But for the love of cat-eating
robots, this is about the least important thing to have ever happened
in the history of the world.


> I hope Lutz Roder got the money he deserved and wasn't short-changed by being 
> paid as though
> the product was going to be free forever.
>
> T.

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Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Burstin]

On 4 February 2011 16:54, Noon Silk  wrote:

But for the love of cat-eating
> robots, this is about the least important thing to have ever happened
> in the history of the world.


Hear, hear.

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Stephen Price]

Just thought I'd share this...

Red-Gate are providing me with 25 licenses (enough to cover every
member on our meetup group) of Reflector Pro (not the "free" version)
for the Perth Silverlight Designer and Developer Network user group.

I know it doesn't change their about face on the free version thing. I
gave them my view (and what I've read on here) which they thanked me
for. It does show that they support developer communities. Its a shame
they couldn't put the free version out there untimebomed and
unsupported. Make the paid version the Pro one.

thoughts? (sorry if this lights up the fire again... hey, its Friday.)

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:
>
> How absolutely ridiculous, I'm very disappointing in red gate.
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Simple-Talk Special Mailing 
> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM
> Subject: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
> To: "rid...@gmail.com" 
>
>
> An open letter to the .NET community
>
> Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET
> Reflector upon its release in early March. Version 7 will be sold as a
> perpetual license, with no time bomb or forced updates.
>
> As many of you know, our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector
> as a free tool. But, after two-and-a-half years of providing it without
> charge, we realized that we could not make the free model work. We know that
> this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize
> for the change in policy.
>
> As a commercial company, we need to charge at least a nominal amount to keep
> .NET Reflector up-to-date and relevant. Without revenue coming in, we cannot
> dedicate a team of developers to ensure that Reflector remains a valuable
> part of .NET developers' toolboxes.
>
> As always, your feedback is important to Red Gate, so please contribute any
> thoughts on this subject to our .NET Reflector forum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Neil Davidson
> Co-CEO, Red Gate Software
>
> Link to more:
>
> Read answers to frequently asked questions about Red Gate's .NET Reflector
> decision.
> Video interview with Simon Galbraith, Red Gate co-CEO, about the future of
> .NET Reflector.
> New features in V7 of .NET Reflector.
> Forum for feedback and discussion.
> Free downloads of .NET Reflector.
>
> You have been sent this special mail from Simple Talk because you are a
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> Reflector newsletter please click here. Or write to Simple Talk, Red Gate
> Software, Newnham House, Cambridge Business Park, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, United
> Kingdom.
>

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[David Connors]

On 11 February 2011 09:25, Stephen Price  wrote:

> Just thought I'd share this...
>
> Red-Gate are providing me with 25 licenses (enough to cover every
> member on our meetup group) of Reflector Pro (not the "free" version)
> for the Perth Silverlight Designer and Developer Network user group.
>
> I know it doesn't change their about face on the free version thing. I
> gave them my view (and what I've read on here) which they thanked me
> for. It does show that they support developer communities. Its a shame
> they couldn't put the free version out there untimebomed and
> unsupported. Make the paid version the Pro one.
>
> thoughts? (sorry if this lights up the fire again... hey, its Friday.)
>

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Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[mike smith]

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Connors  wrote:

> On 11 February 2011 09:25, Stephen Price  wrote:
>
>> Just thought I'd share this...
>>
>> Red-Gate are providing me with 25 licenses (enough to cover every
>> member on our meetup group) of Reflector Pro (not the "free" version)
>> for the Perth Silverlight Designer and Developer Network user group.
>>
>> I know it doesn't change their about face on the free version thing. I
>> gave them my view (and what I've read on here) which they thanked me
>> for. It does show that they support developer communities. Its a shame
>> they couldn't put the free version out there untimebomed and
>> unsupported. Make the paid version the Pro one.
>>
>> thoughts? (sorry if this lights up the fire again... hey, its Friday.)
>>
>
> UNSUBSCRIBE
>
>
Hotel California.

:)


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get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[William Luu]

Looks like fans of the ReSharper tool will get a decompiler as part of the
v6 nightly builds (also as a free stand-alone tool later this year).

See:
http://blogs.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2011/02/resharper-6-bundles-decompiler-free-standalone-tool-to-follow/


On 11 February 2011 10:59, mike smith  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Connors  wrote:
>
>> On 11 February 2011 09:25, Stephen Price wrote:
>>
>>> Just thought I'd share this...
>>>
>>> Red-Gate are providing me with 25 licenses (enough to cover every
>>> member on our meetup group) of Reflector Pro (not the "free" version)
>>> for the Perth Silverlight Designer and Developer Network user group.
>>>
>>> I know it doesn't change their about face on the free version thing. I
>>> gave them my view (and what I've read on here) which they thanked me
>>> for. It does show that they support developer communities. Its a shame
>>> they couldn't put the free version out there untimebomed and
>>> unsupported. Make the paid version the Pro one.
>>>
>>> thoughts? (sorry if this lights up the fire again... hey, its Friday.)
>>>
>>
>> UNSUBSCRIBE
>>
>>
> Hotel California.
>
> :)
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

RE: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Dylan Tusler]

Well, that's cool. At least I already have a $?00 ReSharper license, so 
that will save me $35. 

(And yes, I do have a ReSharper license.)

Dylan.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of William Luu
Sent: Friday, 18 February 2011 8:56 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

Looks like fans of the ReSharper tool will get a decompiler as part of the v6 
nightly builds (also as a free stand-alone tool later this year).

See: 
http://blogs.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2011/02/resharper-6-bundles-decompiler-free-standalone-tool-to-follow/


On 11 February 2011 10:59, mike smith 
mailto:meski...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Connors 
mailto:da...@codify.com>> wrote:
On 11 February 2011 09:25, Stephen Price 
mailto:step...@littlevoices.com>> wrote:
Just thought I'd share this...

Red-Gate are providing me with 25 licenses (enough to cover every
member on our meetup group) of Reflector Pro (not the "free" version)
for the Perth Silverlight Designer and Developer Network user group.

I know it doesn't change their about face on the free version thing. I
gave them my view (and what I've read on here) which they thanked me
for. It does show that they support developer communities. Its a shame
they couldn't put the free version out there untimebomed and
unsupported. Make the paid version the Pro one.

thoughts? (sorry if this lights up the fire again... hey, its Friday.)

UNSUBSCRIBE


Hotel California.

:)


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Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[William Luu]

Hey, they're also releasing a free standalone tool too (later in the year)!

Haha. ReSharper is great though!

On 18 February 2011 10:15, Dylan Tusler <
dylan.tus...@sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au> wrote:

>  Well, that's cool. At least I already have a $?00 ReSharper
> license, so that will save me $35. 
>
> (And yes, I do have a ReSharper license.)
>
> Dylan.
>
>
>  --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *William Luu
> *Sent:* Friday, 18 February 2011 8:56 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
>
> Looks like fans of the ReSharper tool will get a decompiler as part of the
> v6 nightly builds (also as a free stand-alone tool later this year).
>
> See:
> http://blogs.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2011/02/resharper-6-bundles-decompiler-free-standalone-tool-to-follow/
>
>
> On 11 February 2011 10:59, mike smith  wrote:
>
>>  On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Connors wrote:
>>
>>>  On 11 February 2011 09:25, Stephen Price wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just thought I'd share this...
>>>>
>>>> Red-Gate are providing me with 25 licenses (enough to cover every
>>>> member on our meetup group) of Reflector Pro (not the "free" version)
>>>> for the Perth Silverlight Designer and Developer Network user group.
>>>>
>>>> I know it doesn't change their about face on the free version thing. I
>>>> gave them my view (and what I've read on here) which they thanked me
>>>> for. It does show that they support developer communities. Its a shame
>>>> they couldn't put the free version out there untimebomed and
>>>> unsupported. Make the paid version the Pro one.
>>>>
>>>> thoughts? (sorry if this lights up the fire again... hey, its Friday.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> UNSUBSCRIBE
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> :)
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Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Michael Ridland]

JetBrains 1 : RedGate 0

:)



On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:26 AM, William Luu  wrote:

> Hey, they're also releasing a free standalone tool too (later in the year)!
>
> Haha. ReSharper is great though!
>
> On 18 February 2011 10:15, Dylan Tusler <
> dylan.tus...@sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au> wrote:
>
>>  Well, that's cool. At least I already have a $?00 ReSharper
>> license, so that will save me $35. 
>>
>> (And yes, I do have a ReSharper license.)
>>
>> Dylan.
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *William Luu
>> *Sent:* Friday, 18 February 2011 8:56 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
>>
>> Looks like fans of the ReSharper tool will get a decompiler as part of the
>> v6 nightly builds (also as a free stand-alone tool later this year).
>>
>> See:
>> http://blogs.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2011/02/resharper-6-bundles-decompiler-free-standalone-tool-to-follow/
>>
>>
>> On 11 February 2011 10:59, mike smith  wrote:
>>
>>>  On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Connors wrote:
>>>
>>>>  On 11 February 2011 09:25, Stephen Price wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just thought I'd share this...
>>>>>
>>>>> Red-Gate are providing me with 25 licenses (enough to cover every
>>>>> member on our meetup group) of Reflector Pro (not the "free" version)
>>>>> for the Perth Silverlight Designer and Developer Network user group.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know it doesn't change their about face on the free version thing. I
>>>>> gave them my view (and what I've read on here) which they thanked me
>>>>> for. It does show that they support developer communities. Its a shame
>>>>> they couldn't put the free version out there untimebomed and
>>>>> unsupported. Make the paid version the Pro one.
>>>>>
>>>>> thoughts? (sorry if this lights up the fire again... hey, its Friday.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hotel California.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Resource Editors, was Re: Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector

[Noon Silk]

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:50 PM, mike smith  wrote:

[...]

> On the subject of developer utilities, anyone got a favourite for resource
> editing?  I'm looking at HeavenTools stuff, this one in particular.
> http://www.heaventools.com/command-line_resource_editor.htm
> We have language resource files that get done by translators and supplied as
> dlls.  But these are opaque as far as subversion's concerned - IOW, you cant
> diff them to see what's changed.  Even BeyondCompare, my favourite diff
> utility doesn't - so I want to decompile the dll back to an RC for this
> purpose.

I just edit the resx.foo's myself in VS. I'd be interested to know as
well, as it works "fine enough" for me, but I think at the very least
it would be appropriate to add some post-build (perhaps buildserver)
tasks such that it checks to see that all resources have values in the
provided languages. Anyone doing that?


> --
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>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll
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Fancy a quantum lunch?
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"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy
of being this signature."