RE: Skilling Up
I like WPF and silver light. I think they are the future. But HTML5 might introduce something else. to my knowledge, there are not many jobs for them at the moment - maybe in the future I hope. I think most programmer can learn .NET, C# easily. Since the .NET is huge, it is good to learn the most requently used first so you can get a job early and have chances to learn more. The best way I know to learn is to write applications - invent your own software or help an open source project are good ways. Good luck David From: Stephen Price [mailto:step...@littlevoices.com] Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:13 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Skilling Up There's a Silverlight user group in Melbourne (and Sydney, Perth). http://sddn.org.au/ should get you some details on where they meet. There's also a couple of .Net ones but being a Perth guy I don't know anything other than maybe check http://www.victoriadotnet.com.au http://www.victoriadotnet.com.au/ . I think there's another one around too? I can see the issue with talking to your employer, if they catch wind you are changing careers you might freak em out and affect your short term relationship with them. Myself, I went and did a degree part time - Bachelor of Science (Internet Computing) at ECU, which might be something you've not considered. It took six years but helped my career change (was working full time as a developer after 2 years of starting the degree). Charles Sturt University also claim to be the best in distance education (http://www.csu.edu.au/) so might be another option, study at home online. (Which was how i did a large chunk of my degree - at home via online portals + books etc) On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Any particular user groups that you would recommend? As much as I would like to talk to my current employer about it, I find it very unlikely that they would be flexible. Especially considering the small size of the company. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Skilling Up I agree with Mike on the point of talking to your current employer. I did this 6 years ago when I was in infrastructure, and I scored myself a whole month seconded to the dev team. They were busy in a testing phase so I basically sat there for a month teaching myself VB.Net (one of those learn VB.Net in 24 hours books. Its a lie it took me more than 24 hours). The upside was I got paid while doing it and if I got stuck with anything I could ask the developers there (which, interestingly they usually couldn't help me much with my questions as they were VB6 developers and hadn't learned .Net yet) Also user groups are essential, its essentially free training, mixed in with socialising/networking with like minded people. I also highly recommend doing a presentation at a user group, there's nothing more motivating than having to present on something. Good luck! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Michael Minutillo michael.minuti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, Firstly, it's probably worth talking to your current employer to see if this is something they can help you with. Sometimes this kind of sideways change can be beneficial for both parties (especially if it means that the business can hold on to a valuable resource). Personally I don't think I'd bother with a C# course or specific certification. A copy of C# in a Nutshell (or some other title of equal awesomeness) will probably teach you as much and be more useful in the future (as you can keep referring back to it). For potential employers, I'd guess that a C# certification on your CV might not be enough to get an interview. You're far better off participating in open source projects / local community groups in my opinion. As far as the technology choices to look at, I'd consider WPF/Silverlight. Admittedly I have no idea whether or not there is a ton of work out there for these (I'm stuck in WinForms land) but they both rely on XAML (slightly different versions) and so does Windows Phone 7 so you get a toe in the web, desktop and phone development camps all at once. Given you have SQL experience I'd probably look at Entity Framework 4 as well. You might end up working on a project where you don't actually touch the UI. Hope that helps and good luck with your transition! -- Michael M. Minutillo Indiscriminate Information Sponge Blog: http://wolfbyte-net.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Good afternoon everyone, I'm looking at expanding my technical skill-set for future career opportunities. My real desire is to learn Dot Net programming (as I'm a programmer by heart). My current experience is 10+ years as a Developer/Consultant for Microsoft Dynamics NAV, and I also am getting
RE: Skilling Up
Thanks David, I am creating a Virtual Image right now to start toying around with Silverlight again. I usually struggle to think of ideas to do sample projects myself, but for the moment I have some ideas that can link with what I do at work. Simon Kuldin | Senior Technical Consultant | PRISM Suite 3, 214 Bay St Brighton, VIC 3186, Australia P: +61 3 9596 8633 M: 0408 310 957 W: www.prism-solutions.com.au http://www.prism-solutions.com.au/ prism-v5.jpg People. Responsive. Innovative. Simple. Methodical. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Pung Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2011 10:01 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Skilling Up I like WPF and silver light. I think they are the future. But HTML5 might introduce something else. to my knowledge, there are not many jobs for them at the moment - maybe in the future I hope. I think most programmer can learn .NET, C# easily. Since the .NET is huge, it is good to learn the most requently used first so you can get a job early and have chances to learn more. The best way I know to learn is to write applications - invent your own software or help an open source project are good ways. Good luck David From: Stephen Price [mailto:step...@littlevoices.com] Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:13 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Skilling Up There's a Silverlight user group in Melbourne (and Sydney, Perth). http://sddn.org.au/ should get you some details on where they meet. There's also a couple of .Net ones but being a Perth guy I don't know anything other than maybe check http://www.victoriadotnet.com.au http://www.victoriadotnet.com.au/ . I think there's another one around too? I can see the issue with talking to your employer, if they catch wind you are changing careers you might freak em out and affect your short term relationship with them. Myself, I went and did a degree part time - Bachelor of Science (Internet Computing) at ECU, which might be something you've not considered. It took six years but helped my career change (was working full time as a developer after 2 years of starting the degree). Charles Sturt University also claim to be the best in distance education (http://www.csu.edu.au/) so might be another option, study at home online. (Which was how i did a large chunk of my degree - at home via online portals + books etc) On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Any particular user groups that you would recommend? As much as I would like to talk to my current employer about it, I find it very unlikely that they would be flexible. Especially considering the small size of the company. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Skilling Up I agree with Mike on the point of talking to your current employer. I did this 6 years ago when I was in infrastructure, and I scored myself a whole month seconded to the dev team. They were busy in a testing phase so I basically sat there for a month teaching myself VB.Net (one of those learn VB.Net in 24 hours books. Its a lie it took me more than 24 hours). The upside was I got paid while doing it and if I got stuck with anything I could ask the developers there (which, interestingly they usually couldn't help me much with my questions as they were VB6 developers and hadn't learned .Net yet) Also user groups are essential, its essentially free training, mixed in with socialising/networking with like minded people. I also highly recommend doing a presentation at a user group, there's nothing more motivating than having to present on something. Good luck! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Michael Minutillo michael.minuti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, Firstly, it's probably worth talking to your current employer to see if this is something they can help you with. Sometimes this kind of sideways change can be beneficial for both parties (especially if it means that the business can hold on to a valuable resource). Personally I don't think I'd bother with a C# course or specific certification. A copy of C# in a Nutshell (or some other title of equal awesomeness) will probably teach you as much and be more useful in the future (as you can keep referring back to it). For potential employers, I'd guess that a C# certification on your CV might not be enough to get an interview. You're far better off participating in open source projects / local community groups in my opinion. As far as the technology choices to look at, I'd consider WPF/Silverlight. Admittedly I have no idea whether or not there is a ton of work out there for these (I'm stuck in WinForms land) but they both rely on XAML (slightly different versions) and so does Windows Phone 7 so you get a toe in the web, desktop and phone development
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Any particular user groups that you would recommend? Come to MXUG next week: https://groups.google.com/group/mxug?hl=enpli=1 There is also datamelb tonight: http://groups.google.com/group/datamelb As for getting started; it's obvious, but just find something you want to do, and try and do it. Most of what I want to do can be done in the form of a website, hence I'm doing various things in the ASP.NET MVC framework, which I would recommend. For Windows apps yes, WPF is of interest, but I wouldn't personally dedicate much time to Silverlight (but I'm biased, as I'm headed out of programming anyway, some people find it fruitful). Like others, I can highly recommend participation in online forums/mailing lists for the purposes of learning. StackOverflow is good, but not great, in my humble opinion. But it is the better out of all the forum options. I tend to prefer lists as they allow deeper discussion. It's kind of a good time to get into .NET as there are a variety of changes in the framework that means you'll kind of be on even footing with other guys (LINQ is relatively new, etc, etc) so you can feel reasonable confident that even the longer-term programmers aren't experts in that yet, and there is still plenty of ground to discover and fun things to do. I don't personally see a lot of value in joining open source projects, but perhaps there is, perhaps not. Depends what project; you wouldn't want to waste time contributing to something that dies (of course some time spent learning is beneficial, but it's not ideal). My preference is for personal projects that have some general benefit (this is how I've learned various things and learned to love trac and hudson and nunit and so on). -- Noon Silk http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy of being this signature.
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I also found reading expert's way of coding and structuring program saves me a lot of time. I went to http://www.codeplex.com/ It help me lot when learning WPF. David -Original Message- From: silky [mailto:noonsli...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2011 2:03 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: Skilling Up Any particular user groups that you would recommend? Come to MXUG next week: https://groups.google.com/group/mxug?hl=enpli=1 There is also datamelb tonight: http://groups.google.com/group/datamelb As for getting started; it's obvious, but just find something you want to do, and try and do it. Most of what I want to do can be done in the form of a website, hence I'm doing various things in the ASP.NET MVC framework, which I would recommend. For Windows apps yes, WPF is of interest, but I wouldn't personally dedicate much time to Silverlight (but I'm biased, as I'm headed out of programming anyway, some people find it fruitful). Like others, I can highly recommend participation in online forums/mailing lists for the purposes of learning. StackOverflow is good, but not great, in my humble opinion. But it is the better out of all the forum options. I tend to prefer lists as they allow deeper discussion. It's kind of a good time to get into .NET as there are a variety of changes in the framework that means you'll kind of be on even footing with other guys (LINQ is relatively new, etc, etc) so you can feel reasonable confident that even the longer-term programmers aren't experts in that yet, and there is still plenty of ground to discover and fun things to do. I don't personally see a lot of value in joining open source projects, but perhaps there is, perhaps not. Depends what project; you wouldn't want to waste time contributing to something that dies (of course some time spent learning is beneficial, but it's not ideal). My preference is for personal projects that have some general benefit (this is how I've learned various things and learned to love trac and hudson and nunit and so on). -- Noon Silk http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy - the joy of being this signature.
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Hi Simon, Firstly, it's probably worth talking to your current employer to see if this is something they can help you with. Sometimes this kind of sideways change can be beneficial for both parties (especially if it means that the business can hold on to a valuable resource). Personally I don't think I'd bother with a C# course or specific certification. A copy of C# in a Nutshell (or some other title of equal awesomeness) will probably teach you as much and be more useful in the future (as you can keep referring back to it). For potential employers, I'd guess that a C# certification on your CV might not be enough to get an interview. You're far better off participating in open source projects / local community groups in my opinion. As far as the technology choices to look at, I'd consider WPF/Silverlight. Admittedly I have no idea whether or not there is a ton of work out there for these (I'm stuck in WinForms land) but they both rely on XAML (slightly different versions) and so does Windows Phone 7 so you get a toe in the web, desktop and phone development camps all at once. Given you have SQL experience I'd probably look at Entity Framework 4 as well. You might end up working on a project where you don't actually touch the UI. Hope that helps and good luck with your transition! -- Michael M. Minutillo Indiscriminate Information Sponge Blog: http://wolfbyte-net.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Good afternoon everyone, I’m looking at expanding my technical skill-set for future career opportunities. My real desire is to learn Dot Net programming (as I’m a programmer by heart). My current experience is 10+ years as a Developer/Consultant for Microsoft Dynamics NAV, and I also am getting a fair bit of experience in administrating SQL Server. I want to move my career sideways to be less ERP focussed, and more overall development focussed. Any recommendations on how I would go about it? Is it worth me doing a course to get official C# certification? Would I be better off focusing on just Windows development (since that is where my skill set is mainly set around), or due to demand should I try Web development? Any good websites that provide information and little tasks for you to try to test your knowledge? I’m sorry if this is not the appropriate avenue to ask.. but I really feel like I need a change in my career, and I think I need to be more proactive in making it happen. Cheers for your help! *Simon Kuldin* | Senior Technical Consultant | *PRISM* Suite 3, 214 Bay St Brighton, VIC 3186, Australia *P:* +61 3 9596 8633 *M:* 0408 310 957 *W:* www.prism-solutions.com.au [image: prism-v5.jpg] *People. Responsive. Innovative. Simple. Methodical.*
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I agree with Mike on the point of talking to your current employer. I did this 6 years ago when I was in infrastructure, and I scored myself a whole month seconded to the dev team. They were busy in a testing phase so I basically sat there for a month teaching myself VB.Net (one of those learn VB.Net in 24 hours books. Its a lie it took me more than 24 hours). The upside was I got paid while doing it and if I got stuck with anything I could ask the developers there (which, interestingly they usually couldn't help me much with my questions as they were VB6 developers and hadn't learned .Net yet) Also user groups are essential, its essentially free training, mixed in with socialising/networking with like minded people. I also highly recommend doing a presentation at a user group, there's nothing more motivating than having to present on something. Good luck! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Michael Minutillo michael.minuti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, Firstly, it's probably worth talking to your current employer to see if this is something they can help you with. Sometimes this kind of sideways change can be beneficial for both parties (especially if it means that the business can hold on to a valuable resource). Personally I don't think I'd bother with a C# course or specific certification. A copy of C# in a Nutshell (or some other title of equal awesomeness) will probably teach you as much and be more useful in the future (as you can keep referring back to it). For potential employers, I'd guess that a C# certification on your CV might not be enough to get an interview. You're far better off participating in open source projects / local community groups in my opinion. As far as the technology choices to look at, I'd consider WPF/Silverlight. Admittedly I have no idea whether or not there is a ton of work out there for these (I'm stuck in WinForms land) but they both rely on XAML (slightly different versions) and so does Windows Phone 7 so you get a toe in the web, desktop and phone development camps all at once. Given you have SQL experience I'd probably look at Entity Framework 4 as well. You might end up working on a project where you don't actually touch the UI. Hope that helps and good luck with your transition! -- Michael M. Minutillo Indiscriminate Information Sponge Blog: http://wolfbyte-net.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Good afternoon everyone, I’m looking at expanding my technical skill-set for future career opportunities. My real desire is to learn Dot Net programming (as I’m a programmer by heart). My current experience is 10+ years as a Developer/Consultant for Microsoft Dynamics NAV, and I also am getting a fair bit of experience in administrating SQL Server. I want to move my career sideways to be less ERP focussed, and more overall development focussed. Any recommendations on how I would go about it? Is it worth me doing a course to get official C# certification? Would I be better off focusing on just Windows development (since that is where my skill set is mainly set around), or due to demand should I try Web development? Any good websites that provide information and little tasks for you to try to test your knowledge? I’m sorry if this is not the appropriate avenue to ask.. but I really feel like I need a change in my career, and I think I need to be more proactive in making it happen. Cheers for your help! *Simon Kuldin* | Senior Technical Consultant | *PRISM* Suite 3, 214 Bay St Brighton, VIC 3186, Australia *P:* +61 3 9596 8633 *M:* 0408 310 957 *W:* www.prism-solutions.com.au [image: prism-v5.jpg] *People. Responsive. Innovative. Simple. Methodical.*
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Any particular user groups that you would recommend? As much as I would like to talk to my current employer about it, I find it very unlikely that they would be flexible. Especially considering the small size of the company. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Skilling Up I agree with Mike on the point of talking to your current employer. I did this 6 years ago when I was in infrastructure, and I scored myself a whole month seconded to the dev team. They were busy in a testing phase so I basically sat there for a month teaching myself VB.Net (one of those learn VB.Net in 24 hours books. Its a lie it took me more than 24 hours). The upside was I got paid while doing it and if I got stuck with anything I could ask the developers there (which, interestingly they usually couldn't help me much with my questions as they were VB6 developers and hadn't learned .Net yet) Also user groups are essential, its essentially free training, mixed in with socialising/networking with like minded people. I also highly recommend doing a presentation at a user group, there's nothing more motivating than having to present on something. Good luck! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Michael Minutillo michael.minuti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, Firstly, it's probably worth talking to your current employer to see if this is something they can help you with. Sometimes this kind of sideways change can be beneficial for both parties (especially if it means that the business can hold on to a valuable resource). Personally I don't think I'd bother with a C# course or specific certification. A copy of C# in a Nutshell (or some other title of equal awesomeness) will probably teach you as much and be more useful in the future (as you can keep referring back to it). For potential employers, I'd guess that a C# certification on your CV might not be enough to get an interview. You're far better off participating in open source projects / local community groups in my opinion. As far as the technology choices to look at, I'd consider WPF/Silverlight. Admittedly I have no idea whether or not there is a ton of work out there for these (I'm stuck in WinForms land) but they both rely on XAML (slightly different versions) and so does Windows Phone 7 so you get a toe in the web, desktop and phone development camps all at once. Given you have SQL experience I'd probably look at Entity Framework 4 as well. You might end up working on a project where you don't actually touch the UI. Hope that helps and good luck with your transition! -- Michael M. Minutillo Indiscriminate Information Sponge Blog: http://wolfbyte-net.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Good afternoon everyone, I'm looking at expanding my technical skill-set for future career opportunities. My real desire is to learn Dot Net programming (as I'm a programmer by heart). My current experience is 10+ years as a Developer/Consultant for Microsoft Dynamics NAV, and I also am getting a fair bit of experience in administrating SQL Server. I want to move my career sideways to be less ERP focussed, and more overall development focussed. Any recommendations on how I would go about it? Is it worth me doing a course to get official C# certification? Would I be better off focusing on just Windows development (since that is where my skill set is mainly set around), or due to demand should I try Web development? Any good websites that provide information and little tasks for you to try to test your knowledge? I'm sorry if this is not the appropriate avenue to ask.. but I really feel like I need a change in my career, and I think I need to be more proactive in making it happen. Cheers for your help! Simon Kuldin | Senior Technical Consultant | PRISM Suite 3, 214 Bay St Brighton, VIC 3186, Australia P: +61 3 9596 8633 M: 0408 310 957 W: www.prism-solutions.com.au http://www.prism-solutions.com.au/ prism-v5.jpg http://?ui=2ik=d9332a1334view=attth=12d78552dc059e39attid=0.1disp=emb; zw People. Responsive. Innovative. Simple. Methodical.
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For on-line QA / community check out: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/search?q=starting and http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=starting+programming There are lots of free materials on-line. There are some good lists of resources on stackoverflow. http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=learning+.net Attending presentations / meetings at your local .Net community group can be good. http://ozalt.net/ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:05 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Skilling Up Any particular user groups that you would recommend? As much as I would like to talk to my current employer about it, I find it very unlikely that they would be flexible. Especially considering the small size of the company. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Skilling Up I agree with Mike on the point of talking to your current employer. I did this 6 years ago when I was in infrastructure, and I scored myself a whole month seconded to the dev team. They were busy in a testing phase so I basically sat there for a month teaching myself VB.Net (one of those learn VB.Net in 24 hours books. Its a lie it took me more than 24 hours). The upside was I got paid while doing it and if I got stuck with anything I could ask the developers there (which, interestingly they usually couldn't help me much with my questions as they were VB6 developers and hadn't learned .Net yet) Also user groups are essential, its essentially free training, mixed in with socialising/networking with like minded people. I also highly recommend doing a presentation at a user group, there's nothing more motivating than having to present on something. Good luck! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Michael Minutillo michael.minuti...@gmail.commailto:michael.minuti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, Firstly, it's probably worth talking to your current employer to see if this is something they can help you with. Sometimes this kind of sideways change can be beneficial for both parties (especially if it means that the business can hold on to a valuable resource). Personally I don't think I'd bother with a C# course or specific certification. A copy of C# in a Nutshell (or some other title of equal awesomeness) will probably teach you as much and be more useful in the future (as you can keep referring back to it). For potential employers, I'd guess that a C# certification on your CV might not be enough to get an interview. You're far better off participating in open source projects / local community groups in my opinion. As far as the technology choices to look at, I'd consider WPF/Silverlight. Admittedly I have no idea whether or not there is a ton of work out there for these (I'm stuck in WinForms land) but they both rely on XAML (slightly different versions) and so does Windows Phone 7 so you get a toe in the web, desktop and phone development camps all at once. Given you have SQL experience I'd probably look at Entity Framework 4 as well. You might end up working on a project where you don't actually touch the UI. Hope that helps and good luck with your transition! -- Michael M. Minutillo Indiscriminate Information Sponge Blog: http://wolfbyte-net.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.aumailto:sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Good afternoon everyone, I'm looking at expanding my technical skill-set for future career opportunities. My real desire is to learn Dot Net programming (as I'm a programmer by heart). My current experience is 10+ years as a Developer/Consultant for Microsoft Dynamics NAV, and I also am getting a fair bit of experience in administrating SQL Server. I want to move my career sideways to be less ERP focussed, and more overall development focussed. Any recommendations on how I would go about it? Is it worth me doing a course to get official C# certification? Would I be better off focusing on just Windows development (since that is where my skill set is mainly set around), or due to demand should I try Web development? Any good websites that provide information and little tasks for you to try to test your knowledge? I'm sorry if this is not the appropriate avenue to ask.. but I really feel like I need a change in my career, and I think I need to be more proactive in making it happen. Cheers for your help! Simon Kuldin | Senior Technical Consultant | PRISM Suite 3, 214 Bay St Brighton, VIC 3186, Australia P: +61 3 9596 8633 M: 0408 310 957 W: www.prism-solutions.com.auhttp://www.prism-solutions.com.au/ [http://?ui=2ik=d9332a1334view=attth=12d78552dc059e39attid=0.1disp=embzw] People. Responsive. Innovative. Simple. Methodical.
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Much appreciated J Simon Kuldin | Senior Technical Consultant | PRISM Suite 3, 214 Bay St Brighton, VIC 3186, Australia P: +61 3 9596 8633 M: 0408 310 957 W: www.prism-solutions.com.au http://www.prism-solutions.com.au/ prism-v5.jpg People. Responsive. Innovative. Simple. Methodical. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Leah Garrett Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:15 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Skilling Up For on-line QA / community check out: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/search?q=starting and http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=starting+programming There are lots of free materials on-line. There are some good lists of resources on stackoverflow. http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=learning+.net Attending presentations / meetings at your local .Net community group can be good. http://ozalt.net/ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:05 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Skilling Up Any particular user groups that you would recommend? As much as I would like to talk to my current employer about it, I find it very unlikely that they would be flexible. Especially considering the small size of the company. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 4:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Skilling Up I agree with Mike on the point of talking to your current employer. I did this 6 years ago when I was in infrastructure, and I scored myself a whole month seconded to the dev team. They were busy in a testing phase so I basically sat there for a month teaching myself VB.Net (one of those learn VB.Net in 24 hours books. Its a lie it took me more than 24 hours). The upside was I got paid while doing it and if I got stuck with anything I could ask the developers there (which, interestingly they usually couldn't help me much with my questions as they were VB6 developers and hadn't learned .Net yet) Also user groups are essential, its essentially free training, mixed in with socialising/networking with like minded people. I also highly recommend doing a presentation at a user group, there's nothing more motivating than having to present on something. Good luck! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Michael Minutillo michael.minuti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, Firstly, it's probably worth talking to your current employer to see if this is something they can help you with. Sometimes this kind of sideways change can be beneficial for both parties (especially if it means that the business can hold on to a valuable resource). Personally I don't think I'd bother with a C# course or specific certification. A copy of C# in a Nutshell (or some other title of equal awesomeness) will probably teach you as much and be more useful in the future (as you can keep referring back to it). For potential employers, I'd guess that a C# certification on your CV might not be enough to get an interview. You're far better off participating in open source projects / local community groups in my opinion. As far as the technology choices to look at, I'd consider WPF/Silverlight. Admittedly I have no idea whether or not there is a ton of work out there for these (I'm stuck in WinForms land) but they both rely on XAML (slightly different versions) and so does Windows Phone 7 so you get a toe in the web, desktop and phone development camps all at once. Given you have SQL experience I'd probably look at Entity Framework 4 as well. You might end up working on a project where you don't actually touch the UI. Hope that helps and good luck with your transition! -- Michael M. Minutillo Indiscriminate Information Sponge Blog: http://wolfbyte-net.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Good afternoon everyone, I'm looking at expanding my technical skill-set for future career opportunities. My real desire is to learn Dot Net programming (as I'm a programmer by heart). My current experience is 10+ years as a Developer/Consultant for Microsoft Dynamics NAV, and I also am getting a fair bit of experience in administrating SQL Server. I want to move my career sideways to be less ERP focussed, and more overall development focussed. Any recommendations on how I would go about it? Is it worth me doing a course to get official C# certification? Would I be better off focusing on just Windows development (since that is where my skill set is mainly set around), or due to demand should I try Web development? Any good websites that provide information and little tasks for you to try to test your knowledge? I'm sorry if this is not the appropriate avenue to ask.. but I really feel like I need a change in my career, and I think I need
