Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: ICE ON SWOLLEN CERVIX !

[Marilyn Kleidon]

Just some info on ice: most women are not 
temperature sensitive in the vagina and cervix: we just don't have those 
particular sensory nerves there. So, all of those "sexy" movies with people 
putting ice in their vaginas: for most of us just hype. I always say "most" as 
for sure someone will feel it Then, an anterior lip is not that big just one 
small piece of ice held by a sensitive midwife would be sufficient with mum in 
hands and knees. But not too long as remember the mum will not feel ice on her 
cervix and so the midwife would have to be the judge. That being said, I have 
not done it. Personally, I don't like manipulating cervixes. If the swollen 
cervix resolves it does so with the woman in hands and knees position 
resisting pushing and it is spontaneous: suddenly the baby is on view. Just a 
little more time is all. But, if you have had/seen success with manipulating 
cervixes then, I suppose you feel comfortable doing it.
 
marilyn 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Laraine 
  Hood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:20 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: ICE ON 
  SWOLLEN CERVIX !
  
  I have been told about it, never actually seen it 
  done although I was asked for ice once by another midwife for this reason, but 
  it was not applied.  My concerns were, the effect on the vaginal tissues 
  of the ice (big enough to grasp but not too big or sharp corners as to damage 
  vagina), the manoeuvring required to actually apply the ice  ( ie fingers 
  or fist in the vagina) to the correct area and maintain it there long enough 
  to have any effect, the effect upon the temperature of foetal scalp & 
  fontanelle that surely must be pushing against the lip of cervix, potential 
  for infection as with any VE to say nothing of the effect upon the mother. 
  You'd have to make sure she knew exactly what you were doing and why and be 
  coherent which can be tricky around transition!  Maybe if a brave 
  research oriented mw could try it on herself first and report  Sorry I'm a 
  bit busy for research at the moment. Cheers (or should it be chills ?) 
  Laraine
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Robyn 
Borgas 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:17 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: ICE ON 
SWOLLEN CERVIX !

 

  Has anyone tried applying 'ice on a 
  swollen cervix' with a LABOURING WOMAN ? Does this really work 
  ?

[ozmidwifery] technical difficulties

[Mary Murphy]

I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE THE ANSWER TO SOME OF OUR BLANK EMAILS ETC, 
mm
This from our technical support..Jan Hello 
Jan,I had a chamber of commerce member who got his own message back 
blank - andhe was using Netscape. We've also had problems with 
people whose emails are usually fine, but when they reply to someone 
else's - or copy and paste someone else's, they get these blank 
emails.  (They can't really be blank because everyone gets the 
same thing) I've emailed the chap with Netscape and asked him what 
he did with his settings to solve the problem. Problems 
with email are getting worse and will continue that way. The number of 
different mail programs (and every one with different settings!) now 
combined with anti-spam and filtering software to make it harder to 
know what will get through intact and what won't. I'll let you know 
when I hear back from the Netscape chap - sometimes people can view the 
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[ozmidwifery] Fw: [birthnews] Some technical info..

[Mary Murphy]

I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT ANSWER SOME OF OUR OWN QUIERIES ABOUT BLANK EMAILS ETC.
MM
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: [birthnews] Some technical info..


> This from our technical support..
> Jan
>
>
>  Hello Jan,
>
> I had a chamber of commerce member who got his own message back blank -
and
> he was using Netscape.
>
>  We've also had problems with people whose emails are usually fine,
>  but when they reply to someone else's - or copy and paste someone
>  else's, they get these blank emails.  (They can't really be blank
>  because everyone gets the same thing)
>
>  I've emailed the chap with Netscape and asked him what he did with
>  his settings to solve the problem.
>
>  Problems with email are getting worse and will continue that way.
>  The number of different mail programs (and every one with different
>  settings!) now combined with anti-spam and filtering software to make
>  it harder to know what will get through intact and what won't.
>
>  I'll let you know when I hear back from the Netscape chap - sometimes
>  people can view the "raw view" or "source" of the email.  Or if they
>  click reply, the text suddenly appears.
>
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Dutch Birth Statistics

[Graham & Helen]

Hi Julie
I couldn't find the attachment but would love a 
copy.  Could you please send it to me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if 
possible. 
 
Thanks for the good work.
 
Helen Cahill

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Clarke 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:18 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Dutch Birth 
  Statistics
  
  
  Hi 
  
  You might recall 
  recently I forwarded questions about Holland Statistics. 
  
  I received some good 
  suggestions and followed up on them (scroll down for my q’s) 
  
  I’m not sure if I can 
  send an attachment to the list but I’ll try 
  anyway.
  The attachment is an 
  excellent, interesting, informative 3 page letter from Dutch 
  Midwives.
  If the attachment is 
  not successful but you’d like a copy then just contact me with your fax number 
  or email address and I’ll forward it to you 
  direct.
  hug
  
  Julie 
  Clarke
  Childbirth 
  and Parenting Educator
  Transition 
  into Parenthood
  9 
  Withybrook Pl
  Sylvania  NSW  2224
  T. 
  (02) 9544 6441
  F 
  (02) 9544 9257
  M. 
  0401 265 530
  email 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: Adja 
  Waelput [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 24 March 
  2003 11:18 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Dutch Birth 
  Statistics
   
  
  dear 
  julie
  
  we won't be able to 
  answer all your questions in detail, but maybe you can get a start with the 
  document I send you. It is full of hyperlinks to internetsites and books. The 
  report by the EMA might be of use as well
  
  best 
  regard
  
  adja 
  waelput
  
   
  
-Oorspronkelijk 
bericht-Van: Julie 
Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Gepost om: woensdag 19 maart 2003 
4:41Gepost naar: infoDiscussie: Dutch Birth 
StatisticsOnderwerp: Dutch 
Birth Statistics
Hello from 
Australia 

We are currently trying to 
improve maternity services for women in 
Australia and 
would like to have information we could use to compare choices, options and 
outcomes, safety with other countries of the world.  Especially other countries that have 
excellent midwifery care established such as 
Holland.
By using comparison statistics 
we could strengthen our argument for more midwifery based services rather 
than our current system of too much unnecessary obstetric 
care.
We are very interested to find 
out the statistics of birthing in Holland.
How many women birth at home? 

Do you have natural birth 
centres and how many women choose to birth at 
them?
How many women choose to birth 
in hospital?
What models of midwifery care do 
you provide?
What changes in birthing trends 
have there been in Holland over 
the past 50 years or so?
What are the national or area 
statistics of maternal and neonatal mortality and 
morbidity?
Do you do comparisons with other 
countries of the world?
Are you able to email these 
figures to me?
Are you able to email any 
articles of information to me?
Do you have a web site in 
English I could visit?
 
Many thanks in advance for your 
assistance.
Warmest 
Regards,
 
Julie 
Clarke
Childbirth 
and Parenting Educator
Transition 
into Parenthood
9 
Withybrook Pl
Sylvania.  
Sydney.  
New South 
Wales  2224
Australia.
 
T. (02) 
9544 6441
F (02) 9544 
9257
M. 0401 265 
530
email 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

[ozmidwifery] Dutch Birth Statistics

[Julie Clarke]

Hi 

You might recall recently I forwarded
questions about Holland Statistics. 

I received some good suggestions and
followed up on them (scroll down for my q’s) 

I’m not sure if I can send an attachment
to the list but I’ll try anyway.

The attachment is an excellent,
interesting, informative 3 page letter from Dutch Midwives.

If the attachment is not successful but
you’d like a copy then just contact me with your fax number or email
address and I’ll forward it to you direct.

hug



Julie
Clarke

Childbirth
and Parenting Educator

Transition
into Parenthood

9 Withybrook Pl

Sylvania 
NSW  2224

T.
(02) 9544 6441

F (02)
9544 9257

M.
0401 265 530

email
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



 

-Original Message-
From: Adja Waelput
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 24 March 2003 11:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Dutch Birth
Statistics

 



dear julie





we won't be able to answer all your
questions in detail, but maybe you can get a start with the document I send
you. It is full of hyperlinks to internetsites and books. The report by the EMA
might be of use as well





best regard





adja waelput





 





-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Julie Clarke
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gepost om: woensdag 19 maart 2003 4:41
Gepost naar: info
Discussie: Dutch Birth Statistics
Onderwerp: Dutch Birth Statistics

Hello from Australia 

We are currently trying to improve maternity services for
women in Australia and would
like to have information we could use to compare choices, options and outcomes,
safety with other countries of the world. 
Especially other countries that have excellent midwifery care
established such as Holland.

By using comparison statistics we could strengthen our
argument for more midwifery based services rather than our current system of
too much unnecessary obstetric care.

We are very interested to find out the statistics of
birthing in Holland.

How many women birth at home? 

Do you have natural birth centres and how many women choose
to birth at them?

How many women choose to birth in hospital?

What models of midwifery care do you provide?

What changes in birthing trends have there been in Holland over the
past 50 years or so?

What are the national or area statistics of maternal and
neonatal mortality and morbidity?

Do you do comparisons with other countries of the world?

Are you able to email these figures to me?

Are you able to email any articles of information to me?

Do you have a web site in English I could visit?

 

Many thanks in advance for your assistance.

Warmest Regards,

 

Julie Clarke

Childbirth and Parenting Educator

Transition into Parenthood

9 Withybrook Pl

Sylvania.  Sydney.  New South Wales  2224

Australia.

 

T. (02) 9544 6441

F (02) 9544 9257

M. 0401 265 530

email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

[ozmidwifery] HypnoBirthing

[Mary Murphy]

My "sooky" neice gave birth to two babies with the help of relaxation
through hypnosis from a medical hypnotherapist.  Her first birth was 7 hrs,
nearly 10lbs , intact peri; her second, 4 hrs, 10lbs12. intact peri. (sorry
about the imperial measure)  She was magnificent in labour and reverted to
her usual self for her afterbirth pains.  She was only focussed in the
labour.  (typical of her overall attitude)  As her midwife I was IMPRESSED.
If the art of deep relaxation helps women, then is it not better than the
epidural epidemic that we have at the moment?  MM


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: ICE ON SWOLLEN CERVIX !

[Laraine Hood]

I have been told about it, never actually seen it 
done although I was asked for ice once by another midwife for this reason, but 
it was not applied.  My concerns were, the effect on the vaginal tissues of 
the ice (big enough to grasp but not too big or sharp corners as to damage 
vagina), the manoeuvring required to actually apply the ice  ( ie fingers 
or fist in the vagina) to the correct area and maintain it there long enough to 
have any effect, the effect upon the temperature of foetal scalp & 
fontanelle that surely must be pushing against the lip of cervix, potential for 
infection as with any VE to say nothing of the effect upon the mother. You'd 
have to make sure she knew exactly what you were doing and why and be coherent 
which can be tricky around transition!  Maybe if a brave research oriented 
mw could try it on herself first and report  Sorry I'm a bit busy for 
research at the moment. Cheers (or should it be chills ?) Laraine

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robyn 
  Borgas 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:17 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: ICE ON SWOLLEN 
  CERVIX !
  
   
  
Has anyone tried applying 'ice on a swollen 
cervix' with a LABOURING WOMAN ? Does this really work 
  ?

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[Marilyn Kleidon]

You know there was a hypnobirther on the list a while back and we all kind
of flamed him.  I think it was his language. After his input, it was back in
november I think, when i went back to Seattle i asked some of my friends who
had both done hypno for birth and studied it an taught it to mums, and most
are really in favour of it. The way one of my classmates described it was in
hind sight yes she experienced pain but it was manageable and though very
intense and took her breath away was not perceived as painful at the time.
It was like she really surrendered and was in a labour trance once she was
in active labour. She had about 3 hours of warm up and then 2 hours of
intense labour (she was a primip and a skinny thing pre baby) here baby was
9lb 10 oz. No tears. Waterbirth, midwives barely made it:because she was a
primip took their time in getting there (she had loads of classmates for
support). When they made a call and listened to her they realised she was
passively pushing so they literally flew over to her home. And just loads of
milk for that baby. A bit of a PPH which they took care of at home. She says
the hpnobirther forgot to program her not to bleed, but once she thought
about it it stopped (with just a bit of help from syntocinon:she did gush a
little I was told). So, i don't know, it may be a placebo, but you know
placebos and suggestion and visualisations, and aromas, and herbal teas do
work for some and I don't think they do any harm. I think they would work
for more of us if we opened up and let them. It is just comfort. My
classmate also drank red raspbery tea throughout the 3rd trimester as a
uterine tonic, so she felt that helped too. She is a herbalist so she
wouldn't use the capsules as they aren't the whole plant. Anyway i think it
is a powerful tool if you embrace it and harmless if you dabble.

marilyn
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:22 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola


>
> from client can someone help?
> have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem
thanks
> in anticipation jan
> what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> > areola at the moment?
> >
> > Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> > yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
> the
> > US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
> >
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[ozmidwifery] Headline - Self-hypnosis takes the pain out of giving birth

[alphia]

Greetings,

alphia wants you to know about a story on www.smh.com.au


Personal Message:
article on hypnobirthing found within the SMH.

Self-hypnosis takes the pain out of giving birth
By Bonnie Malkin
March 22 2003

URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/21/1047749923780.html
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing

[Joyce, Sally]

There are quite a 
few hypnobirthing practitioners in Australia. You just need to track them down. 
I have managed to find a couple in Queensland by contacting 
HypnobirthingR - The Morgan Method http://www.hypnobirthing.com/ . They provide a 
referral services anywhere in the world. The webpage provides a lot of 
information on hypnobirthing and links to other sites.
 
For referral 
to a Certified 
HypnoBirthing PractitionerSM or 
HypnoBirthing Professional Labor 
CompanionSM, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell them your 
city, state and country.
 
Hope this 
helps.
 
Sally
 
 

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[ozmidwifery] Re: ICE ON SWOLLEN CERVIX !

[Robyn Borgas]

 

Has anyone tried applying 'ice on a swollen 
cervix' with a LABOURING WOMAN ? Does this really work 
?

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[jireland]

thanks that would be great jan
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From: Sally Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola


> there is a place just off malvern road that offers hypnobirthing, wil find
> out details if you wish.
>
> Sally
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:22 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola
>
>
> >
> > from client can someone help?
> > have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem
> thanks
> > in anticipation jan
> > what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> > > areola at the moment?
> > >
> > > Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> > > yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's
in
> > the
> > > US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
> > >
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[jireland]

Iwould love a photocopy and there are n signs f thrush she is 28 weeks
pregnant jan
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Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola


> Hello Jan - regarding the Hypnobirthing query -
> A fellow midwife found me a one-page article published in the latest
> "Wellbeing" magazine on Hypnobirthing - Australian based info and
contacts.
> Let me know if you would like me to post you a photocopy.  Quite a good
> theoretical description of it, though I felt it was a bit weak in the
> 'scientific explanation '. Cheers, Lois
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:22 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola
>
>
>
> from client can someone help?
> have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem
thanks
> in anticipation jan
> what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> > areola at the moment?
> >
> > Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> > yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
> the
> > US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
> >
>
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[ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing

[DebSlater]

IIRC correctly there is someone (Frank?) on the birthnews list who is a hypnobirthing practitioner.  He explained once that hypnobirthing originated from the work of Grantly Dick-Read - the inspiration behind the NCT in the UK.

Debbie Slater
Perth, WA

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[Lois Wattis]

Hello Jan - regarding the Hypnobirthing query -
A fellow midwife found me a one-page article published in the latest
"Wellbeing" magazine on Hypnobirthing - Australian based info and contacts.
Let me know if you would like me to post you a photocopy.  Quite a good
theoretical description of it, though I felt it was a bit weak in the
'scientific explanation '. Cheers, Lois
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola



from client can someone help?
have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem thanks
in anticipation jan
what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> areola at the moment?
>
> Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
the
> US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
>


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[Lois Wattis]

PS - could the areola problem be topical thrush?  Lois

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Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola



from client can someone help?
have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem thanks
in anticipation jan
what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> areola at the moment?
>
> Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
the
> US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
>


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Re: [ozmidwifery] visit to perth

[altrewern]

Thank you Sally for that address
 
        
                
                
        Linda Trewern

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 
  Westbury 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:00 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] visit to 
  perth
  
  
  Silly 
  me. It is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  Sally 
  Westbury
  Homebirth 
  Midwife
   
  Birth 
  is as safe as life gets.   --Harriett Hartigan 
  
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[jo hunter]

Jackie McFarlane in Sydney offers a service called Body-centred Hypnotherapy
for childbirth, I presume this is the same as hypnobirthing??? Her email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 9566 1035.
Has your client tried expressing a bit of milk regularly and rubbing it
around her aerola - worked for me!
Cheers
Jo Hunter

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:22 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola


>
> from client can someone help?
> have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem
thanks
> in anticipation jan
> what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> > areola at the moment?
> >
> > Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> > yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
> the
> > US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[Sally Williams]

there is a place just off malvern road that offers hypnobirthing, wil find
out details if you wish.

Sally
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:22 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola


>
> from client can someone help?
> have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem
thanks
> in anticipation jan
> what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> > areola at the moment?
> >
> > Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> > yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
> the
> > US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
> >
>
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[ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[jireland]

from client can someone help?
have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem thanks
in anticipation jan
what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> areola at the moment?
>
> Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
the
> US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
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