RE: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story
Abdo pain is quite common, ligaments stretching etc. I don't think pain at 16 weeks would be connected to an abrupito at 38 weeks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rachel Rogers Sent: Saturday, 5 June 2004 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Hi all, 1st year BMid student - not quite up on the lingo yet however, I would appreciate any advice... I have a friend, and follow-through who has one son aged 12, normal vaginal delivery, short labour with no problems. Her marriage ended shortly after and years later, she met and married her soul mate... 'They' got pregnant and she was expecting a similar experience to her first birth, however, at about 16 weeks she started experiencing some abdominal pain. The OB dismissed this and said it was all a normal part of pregnancy and not to overreact. At 38 weeks, my friends placenta abrupted in the kitchen, it was horrific and she was rushed to hospital. The OB told her husband that if he was in his position, he would be pretty worried right now... After an emergency c/s the baby was born. 15 months later she is pregnant again, and is now about 14 weeks pregnant. She is having the same pains, which feel the same as before and is very worried that this will happen again. She has changed to another OB, who is again not listening to her fears and would love to have another normal birth. Her concerns are that she is running a business full time and studying law part time and also looking after a 13 year old and baby. She feels well in herself but wants to know everything is okay. I will set up a meeting with my mentor but would love any advice/experience you all may have with Placental abruption. Thank you Rachel (1st yr Bmid) - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Hi, How is this for doing it yourself? http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/01/1086037758224.html Pretty amazing! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story
Dear Rachel I agree with below but would add the fear and angst not dealt with with a supportive continuous (midwife) carer adds to the pain, fear and ansgt and contributes to a possible self fulfilling prophecy scenario. If her needs are not being met it is the model of care and care not personality/person/ob your friend needs to consider changing is their a local midwifery model or MIPP she can consult?? Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Abdo pain is quite common, ligaments stretching etc. I don't think pain at 16 weeks would be connected to an abrupito at 38 weeks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rachel Rogers Sent: Saturday, 5 June 2004 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Hi all, 1st year BMid student - not quite up on the lingo yet however, I would appreciate any advice... I have a friend, and follow-through who has one son aged 12, normal vaginal delivery, short labour with no problems. Her marriage ended shortly after and years later, she met and married her soul mate... 'They' got pregnant and she was expecting a similar experience to her first birth, however, at about 16 weeks she started experiencing some abdominal pain. The OB dismissed this and said it was all a normal part of pregnancy and not to overreact. At 38 weeks, my friends placenta abrupted in the kitchen, it was horrific and she was rushed to hospital. The OB told her husband that if he was in his position, he would be pretty worried right now... After an emergency c/s the baby was born. 15 months later she is pregnant again, and is now about 14 weeks pregnant. She is having the same pains, which feel the same as before and is very worried that this will happen again. She has changed to another OB, who is again not listening to her fears and would love to have another normal birth. Her concerns are that she is running a business full time and studying law part time and also looking after a 13 year old and baby. She feels well in herself but wants to know everything is okay. I will set up a meeting with my mentor but would love any advice/experience you all may have with Placental abruption. Thank you Rachel (1st yr Bmid) - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Hi, How is this for doing it yourself? http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/01/1086037758224.html Pretty amazing! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery]private practice midwives in brisbane
Hi Nicole Try Vicki Chan 5494 8554 Kerrie Paul 3311 5345 Anne Clarke 3300 9579 Jodie Johnson 4051 6130 One of these midwives may be able to help you Jan On Saturday, June 5, 2004, at 12:55 PM, nicole and gareth wrote: hello all, Any recommendations for midwives who do home births in the Brisbane area? My SIL lives approx 20 mins north of the CBD. I will be looking at the HMA website soon but any other suggestions would be welcome. thanks nicole -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. Jan Robinson 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Australia Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 www: midwiferyeducation.com.au National Coordinator Australian Society of Independently Practising Midwives (ASIM)
[ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test
Regarding heel prick/Guthrie test... protocol atthe hospitals I've done placements is 48 hours post-birth. I wonder if it makes any difference whether it's done on day 2, 3, or 5? Jen 3rd year BMid studentKirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, midwives do administer Vit K via intramuscular injection when that isthe plan, or more often, the hospital protocol.The heel prick test is done on day 5 so for where I work it is done by thevisiting midwifery serviceKirsten Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
Re: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test
Hi Jen: it depends what the lab is testing for: it may well be the same throughout australia (ie from state to state but varied considerably from state to state in the usa). Since you are mostly testing for gentetic errors in metabolism you have to wait long enough for the metabolism to occur after the baby has begun receiving milk but quickly enough for the error to be detected before damage is done to the baby. Eg in the state of washington we did 2 heel pricks: day 3 and day 7. In California one on day 3 (72hrs) as here in Qld. marilyn - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test Regarding heel prick/Guthrie test... protocol atthe hospitals I've done placements is 48 hours post-birth. I wonder if it makes any difference whether it's done on day 2, 3, or 5? Jen 3rd year BMid studentKirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, midwives do administer Vit K via intramuscular injection when that isthe plan, or more often, the hospital protocol.The heel prick test is done on day 5 so for where I work it is done by thevisiting midwifery serviceKirsten Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
Re: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test
Interesting In the hospital where I worked in the USA (Minnesota) the heelprick was done after 24 hours, which I personally thought was a complete waste of time as you need a good 24hours of milk feeds before PKU will show up. I wonder if this isa reflection of previously high artificial feeding rates, but I also asked and was told it was done then because they couldn't be sure of catching any of these babies after discharge. There was no home visiting service as a standard for these families, after a 48hour hospital stay. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test Regarding heel prick/Guthrie test... protocol atthe hospitals I've done placements is 48 hours post-birth. I wonder if it makes any difference whether it's done on day 2, 3, or 5? Jen 3rd year BMid studentKirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, midwives do administer Vit K via intramuscular injection when that isthe plan, or more often, the hospital protocol.The heel prick test is done on day 5 so for where I work it is done by thevisiting midwifery serviceKirsten Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
[ozmidwifery] Midwives in Brisbane
I recently emailed the Capers office for this info for a friend on the Sunshine Coast, they suggested I call Julie on 07 33973422 . she handles enquiries for the Home Mid. Asscn. Barb Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Ann Peacock defends Liz Tracey
Reading my paper over breakfast, we find a half page spread from Ann Peacock (Herald Sun - Melbourne, p 118) giving full credit to 60 mins and co. And from her personal experience having had a emergency LUSCS for her first child, naturally with the safety of No 2 baby in mind, booked straight in for another LUSCS! Her quote Mothering happens after the birth, in case no one has noticed. You can contact her on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheryl _ Get a Virgin Credit Card and win an adventure: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;8661322;9498324;s?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/firstbirthday/track.cfm?source=N92 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story
When the cs scar begins to stretch with the next pregnancy, usually at this point of the pregnancy, there is abdominal pain. It is very common for women to contact CARES and report this pain. Unless it is prolonged and intense and your instincts are saying something is wrong (hard to do when fear can be an overriding factor) it could just be one of those things you just dont get told about after having a cs. Hope she is okay. cheers Jo - Original Message - From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Abdo pain is quite common, ligaments stretching etc. I don't think pain at 16 weeks would be connected to an abrupito at 38 weeks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rachel Rogers Sent: Saturday, 5 June 2004 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Hi all, 1st year BMid student - not quite up on the lingo yet however, I would appreciate any advice... I have a friend, and follow-through who has one son aged 12, normal vaginal delivery, short labour with no problems. Her marriage ended shortly after and years later, she met and married her soul mate... 'They' got pregnant and she was expecting a similar experience to her first birth, however, at about 16 weeks she started experiencing some abdominal pain. The OB dismissed this and said it was all a normal part of pregnancy and not to overreact. At 38 weeks, my friends placenta abrupted in the kitchen, it was horrific and she was rushed to hospital. The OB told her husband that if he was in his position, he would be pretty worried right now... After an emergency c/s the baby was born. 15 months later she is pregnant again, and is now about 14 weeks pregnant. She is having the same pains, which feel the same as before and is very worried that this will happen again. She has changed to another OB, who is again not listening to her fears and would love to have another normal birth. Her concerns are that she is running a business full time and studying law part time and also looking after a 13 year old and baby. She feels well in herself but wants to know everything is okay. I will set up a meeting with my mentor but would love any advice/experience you all may have with Placental abruption. Thank you Rachel (1st yr Bmid) - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Hi, How is this for doing it yourself? http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/01/1086037758224.html Pretty amazing! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Ann Peacock defends Liz Tracey
Dear Cheryl If you ask me these pro C/S arguements are similar to those for regime (Bottle) feeding and Controlled Crying in that they do not understand or accept the primacy of the phyisiological let alone emotional needs of the baby but ride on the false convenience of adults and fear of babies to take over their mother's lives ?? Try quoting from Prof Stanley (on Enough Rope in 2003) It is now very, very obvious from all the research that if you don't nurture a child properly, respond to it's crying in a certain way, comfort it in certain ways, even from the very first year of that child's existence, then patterns of responses are laid down. The circuits in the brain are developed that actually lead to. you know, psychological problems, behavioural problems. The hormones do not get turned on at the right time, the brain connections are not made. And so in fact it's very, very important. Perhaps we knew about this intuitively before and we've somehow forgotten it now in modern society. Children have fallen off the agenda. But this incredibly rich time for brain development starts in utero, when you're pregnant with a baby, and it goes on for the first 8, 10 years with incredible development still occurring through the teenage years. Also politicians,other media and many authoritative figures and health professionals are currently proffering concepts of community based solutions which support individuals and families taking personal responsibility for health and effective parenting (as per NMAP) as a means of addressing many social problems. Denise - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ann Peacock defends Liz Tracey Reading my paper over breakfast, we find a half page spread from Ann Peacock (Herald Sun - Melbourne, p 118) giving full credit to 60 mins and co. And from her personal experience having had a emergency LUSCS for her first child, naturally with the safety of No 2 baby in mind, booked straight in for another LUSCS! Her quote Mothering happens after the birth, in case no one has noticed. You can contact her on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheryl _ Get a Virgin Credit Card and win an adventure: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;8661322;9498324;s?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/firstbirthday/track.cfm?source=N92 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
