Re: [ozmidwifery] Video
Title: Let's Keep the Pressure Up Dear Sally, I don't know which video was shown at the ACMI conference, but their 2 videos are "In Union" (showing lots of different birth pictures, each one merging into the next) and "In a Simple Way...A Child is Born". I'm sure you could get them through Birth International or Capers or directly from Nic and Vicki. Try www.birthfire.com Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: sally To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 15:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Video Could somebody please remind me of the name of the video by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone that was shown at the opening of the ACMI conference. I would like to order a copy for the library at work. This is very exciting because I work in a tertiary hospital...things are looking up. Sally PS. Where do I order it from?
RE: [ozmidwifery] EBAC Stories Wanted
Hi Abby, My sister would love to contribute to this. Can I give her your email address and could you give me your email address? Thanks, Cath Palmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abby and Toby Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] EBAC Stories Wanted Hi, I would love to collect stories from women in Australia that have had an empowered birth after a c-section. Depending on how many stories women are willing to share, I would love to make a small book with art and stories in it as a resource for women planning an EBAC. ( One of my other passions in life is textile and fibre arts and I love making artbooks) So, if anyone knows anyone willing to share their story please pass on my details to them. The books would be printed on a very small scale I imagine, unless someone sponsors the project, and they would be made available at cost price. The writers of any stories published will recieve a free copy of the book. Thanks Love Abby (P.S. It could be a poem or a story.) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] EBAC Stories Wanted
Hi Abby, My sister would love to contribute to this. Can I give her your email address and could you give me your email address? Thanks, Cath Palmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abby and Toby Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] EBAC Stories Wanted Hi, I would love to collect stories from women in Australia that have had an empowered birth after a c-section. Depending on how many stories women are willing to share, I would love to make a small book with art and stories in it as a resource for women planning an EBAC. ( One of my other passions in life is textile and fibre arts and I love making artbooks) So, if anyone knows anyone willing to share their story please pass on my details to them. The books would be printed on a very small scale I imagine, unless someone sponsors the project, and they would be made available at cost price. The writers of any stories published will recieve a free copy of the book. Thanks Love Abby (P.S. It could be a poem or a story.) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Legal Advice
Can anyone point me in the right direction. I guess I am looking for a solicitor or someone that is able to give a legal opinion on the Doula agreement I have with clients. One of the Private hospitals here has issues with Doulas working there, I assume it is from fear of being sued and the hospital being liable. I tried to contact Jo Morrisey who lectures at James Cook Uni on Health Care and the law but he is on long service leave. They have written me a letter requiring my professional Credentials and evidence that I have Indemnity insurance in the sum of $10m for any one claim and up to $20m in the aggregate per annum. I am not permitted to perform services of a professional nature at the hospital until these issues have been addressed. I don't provide advice or opinions or perform any clinical or medical tasks and basically work in the same role as a mother or sister or friend would support a woman at their hospital. The only real difference is I have a contract agreement with the woman and I receive payment for the service. I know Doulas work in Priavate hospitals without there being any issues in other parts of Australia. And what do independant midwives do about working at private Hospitals. I am pretty sure when I birthed at Royal Women's hospital in randwick a year ago that Independant midwives were able to work there with clients who hired them and wished to use the birthing centre. And Midiwives can't get insurance so what do the hospitals do in that situation? Please excuse me if this is not well written but I have been typing up letters to the editor and media releases pushing for better maternity services with one on one midwifery care for the last few hours and brain is definately tiring. thanks in advance Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] I wonder?
Quote of the Week "The question is not whether women have a choice, but are they willing to make a choice." Midwifery Today Kim Wildner
Re: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice
Honey - are you going to the Doula conference in Sydney this weekend? - that would be a great issue to discuss with other doulas. I have a similar issue teaching infant massage but get all participants to sign a disclaimer and I put all risks ie oil sensitiity/ when not to massage etc in writing on this contract. The Doula conf sounds like a fabulous weekend and there are around 70 doulas from all over Australia expected. Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonson will be there with their amazing work and I am talking too. Contact Denise Love ( 1300 139 507 - Sydney). Pinky - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice Can anyone point me in the right direction. I guess I am looking for a solicitor or someone that is able to give a legal opinion on the Doula agreement I have with clients. One of the Private hospitals here has issues with Doulas working there, I assume it is from fear of being sued and the hospital being liable. I tried to contact Jo Morrisey who lectures at James Cook Uni on Health Care and the law but he is on long service leave. They have written me a letter requiring my professional Credentials and evidence that I have Indemnity insurance in the sum of $10m for any one claim and up to $20m in the aggregate per annum. I am not permitted to perform services of a professional nature at the hospital until these issues have been addressed. I don't provide advice or opinions or perform any clinical or medical tasks and basically work in the same role as a mother or sister or friend would support a woman at their hospital. The only real difference is I have a contract agreement with the woman and I receive payment for the service. I know Doulas work in Priavate hospitals without there being any issues in other parts of Australia. And what do independant midwives do about working at private Hospitals. I am pretty sure when I birthed at Royal Women's hospital in randwick a year ago that Independant midwives were able to work there with clients who hired them and wished to use the birthing centre. And Midiwives can't get insurance so what do the hospitals do in that situation? Please excuse me if this is not well written but I have been typing up letters to the editor and media releases pushing for better maternity services with one on one midwifery care for the last few hours and brain is definately tiring. thanks in advance Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice
Honey: I think you simply show up as a friend. So long as you are doing nothing that a non-licensed care provider ie massage therapist, AIN, then you should NOT need indemnity insurance to be present. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong(Please do!!)but it is my belief that independent midwives who prior to the insurance debacle had hospital privileges no longer have them BECAUSE they do not have PI cover.This is required of all professional birth attendants be they midwives or doctors if they are not employees of the hospital. So, when we follow a woman into hospital (whether as a transfer or as the intended birth place) then we continue care ONLY as labour support (friend) ie not as a professional midwife. It is quite possible this private hospital thinks the doula is something she isn't. Do remember you status is as a non-licensedcare provider and you can find the limits of this on the Queensland Nursing Council website. I only know this because as a direct entry midwife it is the only way I can legally care for non-maternity patients in a Qld Hospital. I think the hospital will probably have a policy on non-licensed care providers somewhere in one of their manuals. You could ask to see this. I do think you need to be very clear on your boundaries and so does your client. In other words you cannot speak for your client only she and her partner can do that. marilyn - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice Can anyone point me in the right direction. I guess I am looking for a solicitor or someone that is able to give a legal opinion on the Doula agreement I have with clients. One of the Private hospitals here has issues with Doulas working there, I assume it is from fear of being sued and the hospital being liable. I tried to contact Jo Morrisey who lectures at James Cook Uni on Health Care and the law but he is on long service leave. They have written me a letter requiring my professional Credentials and evidence that I have Indemnity insurance in the sum of $10m for any one claim and up to $20m in the aggregate per annum. I am not permitted to perform services of a professional nature at the hospital until these issues have been addressed. I don't provide advice or opinions or perform any clinical or medical tasks and basically work in the same role as a mother or sister or friend would support a woman at their hospital. The only real difference is I have a contract agreement with the woman and I receive payment for the service. I know Doulas work in Priavate hospitals without there being any issues in other parts of Australia. And what do independant midwives do about working at private Hospitals. I am pretty sure when I birthed at Royal Women's hospital in randwick a year ago that Independant midwives were able to work there with clients who hired them and wished to use the birthing centre. And Midiwives can't get insurance so what do the hospitals do in that situation? Please excuse me if this is not well written but I have been typing up letters to the editor and media releases pushing for better maternity services with one on one midwifery care for the last few hours and brain is definately tiring. thanks in advance Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Video - where to order
The Video was In a simple way - a child is born and can be ordered here: http://www.birthinternational.com/product/video/vt115.html It is lovely and I am using it in my Active Birth workshops as a closing statement to remind midwives of the importance of their role at births Regards, Andrea At 03:55 PM 15/09/2004, you wrote: Could somebody please remind me of the name of the video by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone that was shown at the opening of the ACMI conference. I would like to order a copy for the library at work. This is very exciting because I work in a tertiary hospital...things are looking up. Sally PS. Where do I order it from? - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice
Hi, This is definitely an interesting question. As some doulas are gathering 'registrations', and expected to wear 'uniform' and name tags, the profile and professionalism of the group is changing. Expectations of issues such as insurance will obviously be raised. Would the doula registering body be expected to hold the insurance or is it still a doula/birthing family private issue? If so, will a piece of paper (even a legally drawn up one) stand up in court? I agree with Marilyn that it is about clarification of boundaries, but the complexity of birth is such that so much that is discussed antenatally and through the birth journey and into the early postpartum period is qualitative information, ie that which is about/around emotions and non-scientifically measurable data, that one wonders if this type of debate is even answerable. I could say the issue comes down to trust, but that won't help the institutions in attempting to place professional doulas in their system. In the area of Australia where I work assisting women to have babies, even simply working as a birth support person or friend, has ended in official complaints about quite a number of support people/friends for supporting women's choices which may challenge the obstetric opinion of the day.(And in the case that I was involved in, noone spoke for the couple, thay were very clear always that they understood the choices that they were making, there was no negative outcome, but a complaint still came my way!) This type of punitive attitude tends to quieten you as a support person - it's about good patient bad patient or good support person bad support person, and those with the 'right' attitude may survive, and those who challenge or continue to challenge will be punished - and of course 'right' attitudes means supporting the obstetric opinions, not your birthing family. There is no easy answer to any of this. Birth is a dynamic and challenging process for every woman and her support team, and it's definitely not for the feint hearted!! It will be interesting to hear what others think, Sue Honey: I think you simply show up as a friend. So long as you are doing nothing that a non-licensed care provider ie massage therapist, AIN, then you should NOT need indemnity insurance to be present. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong(Please do!!)but it is my belief that independent midwives who prior to the insurance debacle had hospital privileges no longer have them BECAUSE they do not have PI cover.This is required of all professional birth attendants be they midwives or doctors if they are not employees of the hospital. So, when we follow a woman into hospital (whether as a transfer or as the intended birth place) then we continue care ONLY as labour support (friend) ie not as a professional midwife. It is quite possible this private hospital thinks the doula is something she isn't. Do remember you status is as a non-licensedcare provider and you can find the limits of this on the Queensland Nursing Council website. I only know this because as a direct entry midwife it is the only way I can legally care for non-maternity patients in a Qld Hospital. I think the hospital will probably have a policy on non-licensed care providers somewhere in one of their manuals. You could ask to see this. I do think you need to be very clear on your boundaries and so does your client. In other words you cannot speak for your client only she and her partner can do that. marilyn - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice Can anyone point me in the right direction. I guess I am looking for a solicitor or someone that is able to give a legal opinion on the Doula agreement I have with clients. One of the Private hospitals here has issues with Doulas working there, I assume it is from fear of being sued and the hospital being liable. I tried to contact Jo Morrisey who lectures at James Cook Uni on Health Care and the law but he is on long service leave. They have written me a letter requiring my professional Credentials and evidence that I have Indemnity insurance in the sum of $10m for any one claim and up to $20m in the aggregate per annum. I am not permitted to perform services of a professional nature at the hospital until these issues have been addressed. I don't provide advice or opinions or perform any clinical or medical tasks and basically work in the same role as a mother or sister or friend would support a woman at their hospital. The only real difference is I have a contract agreement with the woman and I receive payment for the service. I know Doulas work in Priavate hospitals without there being any issues in other parts of Australia. And what do independant midwives do about working at private Hospitals. I am pretty sure when I birthed at Royal
RE: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice
Sounds a lot about control, control by the Ob, control by the hospital v's control by the labouring woman and her support persons. I have heard of a private hospital in the area I live in refusing a support person, because she is a midwife, childbirth educator who has a history with some of the Ob's in the area. Even with good clear communication, the perception of a lack of control by some people/organisations is enough to set them off Good luck and I hope your client has the birth experience she wants Judy Giesaitis -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice
I would love attend the conference but I am on call for a birth and being so far away it's not so easy to pop down if she has the baby before the weekend. I did hear that Denise was planning the conference but didn't find out when it was on until she emailed the ozmid list with the details. I have a very clear contract with my clients but its a matter of getting some understanding with the Private hospital. My partner thinks I need a lawyer to give me some advice. I wouldn't worry about working in the private hospital as we have such a good relationship at the public hospital and its a much nicer birthing environment anyway but I have a client who wishes to birth in one of the Private and I'm sure there will be women who choose the private system and want me as their doula so it woiuld be good to get it cleared up. I'll have a look at the ACMI website and the Nursing Council site. Thanks Honey - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice Honey - are you going to the Doula conference in Sydney this weekend? - that would be a great issue to discuss with other doulas. I have a similar issue teaching infant massage but get all participants to sign a disclaimer and I put all risks ie oil sensitiity/ when not to massage etc in writing on this contract. The Doula conf sounds like a fabulous weekend and there are around 70 doulas from all over Australia expected. Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonson will be there with their amazing work and I am talking too. Contact Denise Love ( 1300 139 507 - Sydney). Pinky - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice Can anyone point me in the right direction. I guess I am looking for a solicitor or someone that is able to give a legal opinion on the Doula agreement I have with clients. One of the Private hospitals here has issues with Doulas working there, I assume it is from fear of being sued and the hospital being liable. I tried to contact Jo Morrisey who lectures at James Cook Uni on Health Care and the law but he is on long service leave. They have written me a letter requiring my professional Credentials and evidence that I have Indemnity insurance in the sum of $10m for any one claim and up to $20m in the aggregate per annum. I am not permitted to perform services of a professional nature at the hospital until these issues have been addressed. I don't provide advice or opinions or perform any clinical or medical tasks and basically work in the same role as a mother or sister or friend would support a woman at their hospital. The only real difference is I have a contract agreement with the woman and I receive payment for the service. I know Doulas work in Priavate hospitals without there being any issues in other parts of Australia. And what do independant midwives do about working at private Hospitals. I am pretty sure when I birthed at Royal Women's hospital in randwick a year ago that Independant midwives were able to work there with clients who hired them and wished to use the birthing centre. And Midiwives can't get insurance so what do the hospitals do in that situation? Please excuse me if this is not well written but I have been typing up letters to the editor and media releases pushing for better maternity services with one on one midwifery care for the last few hours and brain is definately tiring. thanks in advance Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] websites
Hi Kim: I know you posted your website recently and I think it is amazing: who designed it? and is there anyone out there on the list who designs websites, maybe from afar? I am really incredibly ignorant about this (maybe I need to takea TAFE course?) and want to know more marilyn - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ---Original Message--- --
[ozmidwifery] casload practice
Hello All, Are there any midwives out there interested in working in a caseload practice in a private hospital setting? (Sunshine Coast QLD) Looking forward to hearing from you Lynne
RE: [ozmidwifery] casload practice
Hi Lynne, I would love to but travel to your end from the Gold Coast is just too far. However could you possibly help me build an argument for a friend who is hoping for a VBAC without constant FM. Maybe a copy of your VBAC policy? We have everything else as far as supportive websites etc.go. I spoke to someone at Birthtalk the other night and she said its not an issue at Selangor, Many thanks Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] casload practice Hello All, Are there any midwives out there interested in working in a caseload practice in a private hospital setting? (Sunshine Coast QLD) Looking forward to hearing from you Lynne
