Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro
Hi Jennifairy, welcome back to the list and congrats on finishing your mid. Milly said she's told you how jealous we are about your apprenticeship. I searched around for someone to take me on in that capacity after I graduated but no-one was willing at the time. Anyway, enjoy. No doubt will see you around the traps. I'm due in 5 weeks with my 4th baby. Cheers, Liz. - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Intro Hi all, just a short (hopefully!) intro. Ive been away from the list for the last 2 or 3 years whilst doing my BMid here in SA - study tended to take over my life keeping up with the volume of mail from here was just too much! Anyways, Im finished/registered/the 'real deal' now, a RM of the first cohort of 'direct entry' midwives in Australia, now apprenticing with a MIPP on my way to fulfilling 'the dream' and *really* enjoying my life now that Im not under the study thumb! Im madly trying to get my 'kit' together, in the market for a waterproof doppler. What Im asking for from you gals ( maybe guys) is what you use/would recommend brand-wise. Ive only ever used Huntleighs in the hospitals Ive done placements at, but there are some others out there wondering if anybody can 'give me the goss' - the Huntleighs are currently around $900+ so I need to know Im making the right decision! I havent started earning 'real money' yet so this is a big buy for me. Ive managed to find forcep clamps a fabulous digital fishing scale for baby weighing on EBay (yeah, Ive become an EBay groupie now that I have the time), but if anyone has ideas/contacts etc for other stuff Id be really happy to hear from you (for eg, where do I get wooden pinards?). I need everything! cheers thanx in advance Jennifairy RM!! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/05 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/05 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi In the last edition of MIDIRS there was an interesting article called 'Giving Birth the Swedish Way' written by a third year midwifery student from the UK who did an elective placement in Sweden. She quotes: ...although hydrotherapy is highly recognised in Sweden for its effectiveness during labour and birth, water birth is no longer legal. When I asked a midwife why this is, I was told that around 12 years ago a baby died from asphyxia following a water birth and since then there has been no water birth in Sweden. No-one has ever appeared to challenge this. New, s. 2004 MIDIRS Midwifery digest vol14, no4, Dec 2004 p445 Cheers Lesley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Robertson Sent: 13 March 2005 15:17 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Belinda, I am sitting here with Susanna Houd (from Denmark) and she says that Swedish women would never allow waterbirths to be banned it has been a part of the birth scene for years. South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea At 01:48 AM 12/03/2006, you wrote: I had an antenatal class yesterday and when they asked about waterbirth I discussed it along with hospital policy basically letting them know the benefits of it but that there are many practitioners who don't support it etc. One woman in the class said she was from Sweden and that they have recently banned waterbirth? Does anyone know anything about this?? Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
'South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea' Does anyone have access to this document I would dearly love to see it. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
I will see when it is being released Cheers Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Westbury Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth 'South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea' Does anyone have access to this document I would dearly love to see it. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] and then this..!
No wonder professionals are confused! 1: Obstet Gynecol. 2004 Oct;104(4):715-9. Related Articles, Links Increased success of trial of labor after previous vaginal birth after cesarean. Gyamfi C, Juhasz G, Gyamfi P, Stone JL. Division of Maternal-Fetal Medicine, Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences, The Mount Sinai Medical Center, 5 East 98th Street, New York, NY 10029, USA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] OBJECTIVE: To estimate whether a history of a previous successful vaginal birth after cesarean delivery (VBAC) has an effect on a subsequent VBAC attempt. METHODS: A chart review of cases identified from the International Classification of Diseases, 9th Revision (ICD-9) codes and cases identified in the logbooks on Labor and Delivery yielded 1,216 cases of attempted VBAC from 1996 to 2000. Data gathered from these cases included history of previous successful VBAC. Variables of interest included previous successful normal spontaneous vaginal delivery, history of diabetes, labor induction, and recurrent indication for cesarean delivery. RESULTS: Of the 336 patients with a history of one or more previous successful VBAC attempts, 94.6% had a subsequent successful VBAC, whereas 70.5% of the remaining 880 patients were successful (P .001). For those patients with one or more previous successful normal spontaneous vaginal deliveries, 87.8% had a successful VBAC, whereas 75.6% were successful without this history (P =.001). The presence of diabetes and a recurrent indication for cesarean delivery both decreased VBAC success and were independently associated with poor outcome (P .001). Patients with a history of previous VBAC were 7 times more likely to have a subsequent VBAC success (odds ratio 7.40, 95% confidence interval 4.51-12.16; P .001). Those with a history of previous normal spontaneous vaginal delivery were not more likely to have a successful VBAC when the other variables were controlled. Induction did not affect VBAC outcome. CONCLUSION: A history of a previous successful VBAC increases the likelihood for success with future attempts. Maternal diabetes and history of a recurrent indication for cesarean delivery are poor prognosticators for successful trial of labor. LEVEL OF EVIDENCE: II-2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 image001.gif
Re: [ozmidwifery] Selangor Maternity
HI all Being new to the list your quote Denise is so apt. Why do we allow ourselves as practioners, and as women be dominated. I am currently the subject of a few investigations following a fetal death in utero at a planned home birth, Why because I choose to support a womans belief in herself. I need to say a public thanks to all those who have shown me such care, many of them I haven't met and most just briefly. for the sake of freedom of choice I will continue to care for women the way they want regards donna evans Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All Mayne Health sold many of its hospitals to Affinity Health including Selangor below is the web address thru which you can do a virtual tour Unfortunately you do not meet Lunne or Ted Weaver http://www.affinityhealth.com.au/queensland/san/selangor.htm Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: FDIU (was Selangor Maternity)
Dear Donna It is amazing that FDIU in a hospital planned birth never seems to bethe subject of an investigation! I have seen several over the years yet theyseem to only ever bediscussed at in-house mortality meetings. I hope all goes well with you, helping a woman through a stillbirth is hard enough without any extra pressure. Best wishes Sue - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Selangor Maternity HI allBeing new to the list your quote Denise is so apt. Why do we allow ourselves as practioners, and as women be dominated. I am currently the subject of a few investigations following a fetal death in utero at a planned home birth, Why because I choose to support a womans belief in herself. I need to say a public thanks to all those who have shown me such care, many of them I haven't met and most just briefly.for the sake of freedom of choice I will continue to care for women the way they wantregardsdonna evans Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All Mayne Health sold many of its hospitals to Affinity Health including Selangor below is the web address thru which you can do a virtual tour Unfortunately you do not meet Lunne or Ted Weaver http://www.affinityhealth.com.au/queensland/san/selangor.htm Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." - Linda Hes--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/05
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Sally, Anne Nixon at Women's and Children's Hospital in Adelaide, or Mark Kierse at Flinders will have the details. If I hear of it on a website I'll post the details to the list. Andrea At 10:28 PM 13/03/2005, you wrote: 'South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea' Does anyone have access to this document I would dearly love to see it. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list
Dear Pinky and Kerreen, Pinky, I totally agree with you - but shouldnt we be questioning then why so many mothers do this? What is at the base of it. By the way Kerreen - I have read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it - it is such a valuable piece of research that is providing to the public insight which would have otherwise been lost. I have enjoyed the voices of your respondents very much. The voices of your obstetricians provide us with a glimpse of the power relations that existed in the different time periods that you examined - and although many feel that we haven't come very far - your book demonstrates how far we have actually come (not that I want to gloss over the many problems that current maternity practices are facing). Take care everyone Alphia At 10:21 AM 12/03/2005, you wrote: Hello Kerreen, Re professional dominance of mothering - I absolutely agree - this isnt just about the baby, although that is bad enough, but when mothers surrender their power to professional domination, they are set back in so many ways - for the longer term- so that what should be an empowering and delightful experience is thwart with angst, fear and dissatisfaction. I am going to respond to this article. Pinky - Original Message - From: Kerreen Reiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] returning to list Hi all I am finally returning to the list after a long absence due to work commitments. Already I am glad to be back, eg in light of this discussion about babies' settling/crying. For those who don't already know me, I am a founder of Maternity Coalition and a social scientist/historian who's worked on maternity care issues for many years. I'm now studying working relationships in maternity care settings and a paper at ICM will be the first out on this research. Some details of my last book are below for those interested, including discount sales. I have both a longstanding professional and strong personal interest in relationships between professionals and mothers. What bothers me about return of emphasis on regimentation of babies is not only the neglect of bubs' variability but further professional dominance of mothering. We have two new babies in our family (my first g'children!) and within a few weeks I saw the impact of lousy professional advice on b'feeding and management, but also some excellent support that encouraged my daughter-in -law to feel that she was the 'expert' on her baby! How we ensure this across midwifery and maternal, child nursing remains the challenge it seems. Who is actually contesting this article in the MJA or the press? Thanks for drawing our attention to it. cheers Kerreen About Our Bodies Our Babies: the forgotten women's movement: In Our Bodies, Our Babies: the forgotten women's movement, Kerreen Reiger traces the struggle of Australian women and others to change approaches to childbirth, to claim their right to choices in childbirth, and to educate themselves about birth and breastfeeding. She explores a social movement which has radically changed our maternity care practices, allowing fathers to participate in the birth of their children and babies to 'room-in' with their mothers. It laid the foundation for new models of care such as birth centres. The book draws on interviews with mothers, midwives and doctors, and on archival material from women's organisations such as the Nursing Mothers' Association of Australia (NMAA) and the Childbirth Education Association. It discusses the relevance of the childbirth and the breastfeeding movements to feminism and women's rights, arguing that the needs of mothers as citizens need to be taken more seriously. Our Bodies, Our Babies is essential reading for all health professionals involved in maternity care Discounted copies now available at $15 (originally $38.95) plus postage: please contact me for an order form. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Applied and Human Sciences Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Andrea and listers During the ICM held in Norway some years ago the Minister for Health ( a tall, beautiful blond woman) came to the Congress and told us thatwhen those men (the doctors) came along and said all baths had to be removed from our local maternity unit - THAT IS WHEN I WENT INTO POLITICS! I remember the Prime Minister (also female) was equally impressive when she delivered her speech. They both came across as powerful women who would not waiver in their views on women's birth choices. It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload. Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 13 Mar, 2005, at 18:17, Andrea Robertson wrote: Hi Belinda, I am sitting here with Susanna Houd (from Denmark) and she says that Swedish women would never allow waterbirths to be banned it has been a part of the birth scene for years. South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea At 01:48 AM 12/03/2006, you wrote: I had an antenatal class yesterday and when they asked about waterbirth I discussed it along with hospital policy basically letting them know the benefits of it but that there are many practitioners who don't support it etc. One woman in the class said she was from Sweden and that they have recently banned waterbirth? Does anyone know anything about this?? Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
In a message dated 3/14/2005 1:52:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload. Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die. Jan Hello Jan and everyone. Jan I couldn't agree more!! As a recently graduated midwife, educated via a Bachelor of Midwifery (predicated on continuity and woman-centred care) I am now working fulltime shift-work across my scope of practice (rotating thu pregnancy, birth and after birth care) and I can't believe that midwives feel that full-time shift work is a wonderful way work!! Having just completed my midwifery studies with full time uni and a caseload of between 10-15 women a year across the 3 years of the B Mid...I was NO WHERE nearly as tired I am now with doing the full-time shift work.it sucks big time!!! Where I work is a large regional midwifery unit in Victoria, and the move is towards implementing one-to-one midwifery care for women, with a known midwife throughout their pregnancy, birthing and early parenting journey - caseload. However, this move is being met with strenuous opposition from many of the midwives who WILL NOT even contemplate that perhaps there is another way to be 'with woman' than the current fear based, institution focused, inflexible rostered based system of maternity care. So like Jennifairy, I too am also working with a MIPP to keep my skills up of supporting women in their on own power to birth at home on a partime basis where I am sharing a small caseload of women with another midwifery colleague, while continuing to work to educate midwives on the benefits of one-one midwifery care with known womenwhilst continuing to practice the bulk of my midwifery in what now seems like on planet Mars!! Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth In a message dated 3/14/2005 1:52:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload.Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die.JanHello Jan and everyone. Jan I couldn't agree more!!As a recently graduated midwife, educated via a Bachelor of Midwifery (predicated on continuity and woman-centred care) I am now working fulltime shift-work across my scope of practice (rotating thu pregnancy, birth and after birth care) and I can't believe that midwives feel that full-time shift work is a wonderful way work!! Having just completed my midwifery studies with full time uni and a caseload of between 10-15 women a year across the 3 years of the B Mid...I was NO WHERE nearly as tired I am now with doing the full-time shift work.it sucks big time!!!Where I work is a large regional midwifery unit in Victoria, and the move is towards implementing one-to-one midwifery care for women, with a known midwife throughout their pregnancy, birthing and early parenting journey - caseload. However, this move is being met with strenuous opposition from many of the midwives who WILL NOT even contemplate that perhaps there is another way to be 'with woman' than the current fear based, institution focused, inflexible rostered based system of maternity care. So like Jennifairy, I too am also working with a MIPP to keep my skills up of supporting women in their on own power to birth at home on a partime basis where I am sharing a small caseload of women with another midwifery colleague, while continuing to work to educate midwives on the benefits of one-one midwifery care with known womenwhilst continuing to practice the bulk of my midwifery in what now seems like on planet Mars!!Yours in reforming midwiferyTina Pettigrew.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Tina I'm so upset to hear that this is how most of you wonderful B Mid women have ended up. It seems like the Bachelor of Midwifery courses are turning out similar end-products to the old post-grad Diploma courses - i.e., swelling the numbers for the existing hospital work force. The maternity administrators who are forward-thinking enough to bring in case load practice are not acting quickly enough to enroll potential midwifery graduates . Administrators should already be in contact with those students planning to graduate this year, offering them the opportunity experience in a midwifery case load program before their B Mid studies are completed and they have to start to hunt around for 'shifts' in fragmented care programs. I don't see many hospitals advertising that they are going to set up Community Midwifery Programs this year either. Where is the leadership and vision amongst the rank and file? Perhaps some one can email ozmidwifery and tell me that I am dead wrong? I hope so. ASIM will be offering a scholarship to final year UTS students when the current course gets towards it's end stage. That way the independent midwives and the home birth community will ensure that the most motivated midwifery students obtain valuable home birth experience during the last year of their course and will be able to work with independent practitioners when they graduate. Jan PS Please let the Society know if you ever intend to re-locate up into NSW Tina. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 14 Mar, 2005, at 14:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/14/2005 1:52:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload. Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die. Jan Hello Jan and everyone. Jan I couldn't agree more!! As a recently graduated midwife, educated via a Bachelor of Midwifery (predicated on continuity and woman-centred care) I am now working fulltime shift-work across my scope of practice (rotating thu pregnancy, birth and after birth care) and I can't believe that midwives feel that full-time shift work is a wonderful way work!! Having just completed my midwifery studies with full time uni and a caseload of between 10-15 women a year across the 3 years of the B Mid...I was NO WHERE nearly as tired I am now with doing the full-time shift work.it sucks big time!!! Where I work is a large regional midwifery unit in Victoria, and the move is towards implementing one-to-one midwifery care for women, with a known midwife throughout their pregnancy, birthing and early parenting journey - caseload. However, this move is being met with strenuous opposition from many of the midwives who WILL NOT even contemplate that perhaps there is another way to be 'with woman' than the current fear based, institution focused, inflexible rostered based system of maternity care. So like Jennifairy, I too am also working with a MIPP to keep my skills up of supporting women in their on own power to birth at home on a partime basis where I am sharing a small caseload of women with another midwifery colleague, while continuing to work to educate midwives on the benefits of one-one midwifery care with known womenwhilst continuing to practice the bulk of my midwifery in what now seems like on planet Mars!! Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew.
Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list
Pinky, I know what you mean about that frustrated feeling. Although I have been coming at this from a different angle than many on the list. I am not a practicing midwife, I am just finishing my PhD in the area of sociology of health. I was trying to understand exactly what you are speaking about - yet in relation to an active engagement with the medical model during pregnancy and birth. I was questioning why so many women felt that they were doing the most responsible thing for their baby and themselves by employing the medical model - some not only employing but completely embracing. I did my field work with over 50 women from a range of backgrounds (all of my mothers are wonderful and all of their stories emotional - but I had some wonderful home birth stories). They too regarded pregnancy as a reading assignment and often discussed their pregnancy and birth in medical terms. I wont bore you with my theoretical approach - but I found - as you say, that there is so much there to undermine a woman and her trust in her body. That combining aspects such as the public surveillance of the pregnant woman, the medicalized discourse that surrounds pregnancy and birth in the media, the notion of the female faulty body which we are socialized into, the increase of technology etc. leads many women to think that this is one of the most risky passages of their lives. Which is a paradox of course! I am about to publish an article on my central ideas - I think the article will make a whole lot more sense than what I just said! Anyway, I wish all of the passionate women on this list all of the strength and energy that is needed to counteract this wave of disempowerment that so many women feel during this time of their life. (I have a habit of being corny!) Take care Alphia At 10:38 AM 15/03/2005, you wrote: Hi Alphia - if I could just work that out, maybe I wouldnt feel so frustrated. It doesn't take a whole lot of support/ feedback to help a new mother feel confident that she can handle her baby and her new life - her way! Yet there seems so much to undermine her and the tide againt trusting herself is very strong. For instance, I am constantly amazed at how much reading women do - I have had mothers quote verbatim from 'experts' -invariably men who dont experience hormones/ breasts/bellies or 24 hour care and responsibility no matter how wellmeant/ caring, their advice. It seems in many cases the reading cant be 'smoothed' to fit the woman and her baby, but rather she struggles to either make her baby fit the model, or strives herself to live up to unrealistic images of perfection. I feel sad that birthing/ mothering in so many cases is an academic exercise (head stuff), not a more relaxed, experiential sharing between women - mothers and midwives -from the heart. Pinky - Original Message - From: Alphia Possamai-Inesedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list Dear Pinky and Kerreen, Pinky, I totally agree with you - but shouldnt we be questioning then why so many mothers do this? What is at the base of it. By the way Kerreen - I have read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it - it is such a valuable piece of research that is providing to the public insight which would have otherwise been lost. I have enjoyed the voices of your respondents very much. The voices of your obstetricians provide us with a glimpse of the power relations that existed in the different time periods that you examined - and although many feel that we haven't come very far - your book demonstrates how far we have actually come (not that I want to gloss over the many problems that current maternity practices are facing). Take care everyone Alphia At 10:21 AM 12/03/2005, you wrote: Hello Kerreen, Re professional dominance of mothering - I absolutely agree - this isnt just about the baby, although that is bad enough, but when mothers surrender their power to professional domination, they are set back in so many ways - for the longer term- so that what should be an empowering and delightful experience is thwart with angst, fear and dissatisfaction. I am going to respond to this article. Pinky - Original Message - From: Kerreen Reiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] returning to list Hi all I am finally returning to the list after a long absence due to work commitments. Already I am glad to be back, eg in light of this discussion about babies' settling/crying. For those who don't already know me, I am a founder of Maternity Coalition and a social scientist/historian who's worked on maternity care issues for many years. I'm now studying working relationships in maternity care settings and a paper at ICM will be the first out on this research. Some details of my last book are below for those interested, including discount sales. I have both
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Anyone got rights and responsibility documents they would like to share??? Id love a copy of the one from Barwon Health which I quite liked when I worked there. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her. -Judy Slome Cohain
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
In a message dated 3/14/2005 3:30:31 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharon Hi Sharon thanks for your comments...the simple point I am trying to make is that the arguement I get from most midwives re: caseloadand their unwillingness to participate, is that its "too hard" "too demanding" "harder than shift work"having worked both ways myself now, caseload while it can be more unpredicible than shift work in terms of when you work and your availablity, I have found it FAR less tiring and a great deal more flexible in how I choose to organise my day (and my family) in partnership with the women in my care! When your rostered to work on shiftwell that's it your rostered on and gone for upto 10 hours a day.at least with caseload other than if I am with a birthing womanmy day is my own, negotiated with the women concerned...and if I only feel like working four hours today and 6 tomorrow.well, that's what I'll do! Much more woman and midwife friendly! Cheers Tina P
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Alphia, Thanks, I will look forward to seeing your article when it is published - I guess what Im talking about is this medical model/ handing over of power from pregnancy/ birthextending into the mothering experience making it all an unecessary struggle to do things the 'right' way (as the book/ Dr/ expertsays), with so much fear attached, whether its birth, breastfeeding (I am seeing lots of stuffups here and lots of formula comps which seem to be related to a lack of trust in womans bodies), infant sleep/ "behaviour"issues and so it goes on -Having my 5th child becoming a teenager (the others are all adults),I am seeing increasing numbers of parents "scared" of their kids at this age - and letting themselves be bullied by the kids -I wonder if this is a long term lack of confidence about doing the 'right' thing?Is thisall tied together somehow? Maybe Im getting carried away, here , making tenuouslinks betweenmy frustrations? Pinky - From: Alphia Possamai-Inesedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list Pinky,I know what you mean about that frustrated feeling. Although I have been coming at this from a different angle than many on the list. I am not a practicing midwife, I am just finishing my PhD in the area of sociology of health. I was trying to understand exactly what you are speaking about - yet in relation to an active engagement with the medical model during pregnancy and birth. I was questioning why so many women felt that they were doing the most responsible thing for their baby and themselves by employing the medical model - some not only employing but completely embracing. I did my field work with over 50 women from a range of backgrounds (all of my mothers are wonderful and all of their stories emotional - but I had some wonderful home birth stories). They too regarded pregnancy as a reading assignment and often discussed their pregnancy and birth in medical terms. I wont bore you with my theoretical approach - but I found - as you say, that there is so much there to undermine a woman and her trust in her body. That combining aspects such as the public surveillance of the pregnant woman, the medicalized discourse that surrounds pregnancy and birth in the media, the notion of the female faulty body which we are socialized into, the increase of technology etc. leads many women to think that this is one of the most risky passages of their lives. Which is a paradox of course! I am about to publish an article on my central ideas - I think the article will make a whole lot more sense than what I just said!Anyway, I wish all of the passionate women on this list all of the strength and energy that is needed to counteract this wave of disempowerment that so many women feel during this time of their life. (I have a habit of being corny!)Take careAlphia At 10:38 AM 15/03/2005, you wrote: Hi Alphia - if I could just work that out, maybe I wouldnt feel so frustrated. It doesn't take a whole lot of support/ feedback to help a new mother feel confident that she can handle her baby and her new life - her way! Yet there seems so much to undermine herand the tide againt trusting herself is very strong.For instance, I am constantly amazed at how much reading women do - I have had mothers quote verbatim from 'experts' -invariably men who dont experience hormones/ breasts/bellies or 24 hour care and responsibility no matter how wellmeant/ caring, their advice. It seems in many cases the reading cant be 'smoothed' to fit the woman and her baby, but rather she struggles to either make her baby "fit" the model, or strives herself to live up to unrealistic images of perfection.I feel sad that birthing/ mothering in so many cases is an academic exercise (head stuff), not a more relaxed, experiential sharing between women - mothers and midwives -from the heart.Pinky - Original Message - From: Alphia Possamai-Inesedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list Dear Pinky and Kerreen, Pinky, I totally agree with you - but shouldnt we be questioning then why so many mothers do this? What is at the base of it. By the way Kerreen - I have read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it - it is such a valuable piece of research that is providing to the public insight which would have otherwise been lost. I have enjoyed the voices of your respondents very much. The voices of your obstetricians provide us with a glimpse of the power relations that existed in the different time periods that you examined - and although many feel that we haven't come very far - your
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Dear Sally and all on list check out theHomebirth Australia website for both bill of rights and responsibilities.. http://www.homebirthaustralia.org/homebirth.html also...in New Zealand the Maternity Services Consumer Council - Choices for childbirth have a link for a woman's rights . http://www.maternity.org.nz/choices.shtml#rights also leilah mccracken has a list of rights on the midwifery today link below http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/declaration.asp I am not sure how many people are aware that Sally Westbury and the women and midwives of the CMP WA have been successful in retaining their services in the community and no longer have to relocate to the King Edward. Congratulations to one and all on an amazingly successful, politically strategic and inspiring campaign to keep home birth an option for the women of Fremantle where it belongs...in the community. It should also be noted that Carmen Lawrence was once again instrumental in the last minute outcome negotiated as usual a week or so outside of the WA state election. And in doing so, Carmen supported the women and midwives to uphold a woman's right to birth at home. Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Anyone got rights and responsibility documents they would like to share??? Id love a copy of the one from Barwon Health which I quite liked when I worked there. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005
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Dear Donna, Just wanted to send my support and wishes to you at what must be a most difficult time. I too work independently and have had some tricky times just of late, so my heart goes out to you... Tania x
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Just checking that these are getting thru. Emails I send are coming up on my email list but I seem to be missing some others posts and such. Can you send me a hoi to let me know you can hear me .or are you all ignoring me again! ;o) Love Jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005
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Hoi - can hear you Jo!!! :-) ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/14/05 18:22:33 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] anyone out there? Just checking that these are getting thru. Emails I send are coming up on my email list but I seem to be missing some others posts and such. Can you send me a hoi to let me know you can hear me .or are you all ignoring me again! ;o) Love Jo
