Re: [ozmidwifery] Seeing newsOf Belmont?

2005-08-19 Thread brendamanning 



Might I ask where/what is Belmont ?
Or am I the only person who doesn't know (quite likely) 
lol?
 
BM

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:20 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Seeing newsOf 
  Belmont?
  
  Dear Carolyn
  Will you please let us know how things are going 
  at Belmont
  Thank you 
  Denise Hynd
   
  "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for 
  the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by 
  anyone, our bodies will be handled."
   
  — Linda Hes
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Carolyn Hastie 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:08 
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] noises woman 
make in labour

Dear all,
 
Many years ago, on night duty, a woman came in and said very 
seriously "I understand that it is very important to make sounds during 
labour. Is it ok to make a noise".   I assured her it was a great 
idea.  She proceeded to mooo, very loudly and long with each surge of 
her body.  Each woman in the labour ward that night, wanted to know 
what was going on.  I explained the woman was managing her labour using 
sound.  Each woman did the same.   The NICU staff, who were 
adjacent to the labour ward wanted to know what was going on.  I 
explained to them. They thought we were mad.  It was the noisiest 
and happiest night.  All babies born easily and mooingly.  The 
woman who started the night off was a vet who worked with large 
animals.  I learnt so much from her.
 
Another woman, another time sang through her surges.  Her song 
was "try not to get worried, try not to get frightened, everything's all 
right, yes, everything's all right..." from Jesus Christ 
Superstar.   Her baby was born into her arms as she was kneeling 
with one leg up, to the words "yes, everything's all right" and a 
cheer.  The baby just looked at her with that amazing look that 
unmedicated newborns have. 
 
Birth Reborn - the video,  by our hero Michel Odent has a great 
section on singing in pregnancy and the positive vibration it causes in the 
baby/mother.  You all may be interested to know that we are setting up 
a lullaby group at Belmont to help pregnant women learn lullabies and as 
part of our activities aimed at increasing prenatal bonding and 
attachment.  Belmont is going well, we have had the joy and privilege 
of supporting eleven women birth their babies, two of whom were born into 
their mothers arms through water in our fabulous baths since we opened on 
the 4th July 05.  The numbers of women coming to have a look around and 
choosing to have their maternity care with us is increasing. 

 
midwifery hugs and happiness to all,
 
The tide is turning
 
Carolyn Hastie
 
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kirsten 
  DobbsSent: Friday, 19 August 2005 8:07 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] noises 
  woman make in labour
  
   
  This 
  is for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc… 
  In Ina May Gaskin’s, “Ina May’s guide to childbirth” she mentions it in 
  there under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and “horse lips”. 
  Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging 
  it.
   
  Here’s 
  to mooing in labour!
   
  Kirsten
  Darwin
   
  
   
   



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[ozmidwifery] Seeing newsOf Belmont?

2005-08-19 Thread Denise Hynd 



Dear Carolyn
Will you please let us know how things are going at 
Belmont
Thank you 
Denise Hynd
 
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the 
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, 
our bodies will be handled."
 
— Linda Hes

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Carolyn Hastie 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:08 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] noises woman 
  make in labour
  
  Dear 
  all,
   
  Many 
  years ago, on night duty, a woman came in and said very seriously "I 
  understand that it is very important to make sounds during labour. Is it ok to 
  make a noise".   I assured her it was a great idea.  She 
  proceeded to mooo, very loudly and long with each surge of her body.  
  Each woman in the labour ward that night, wanted to know what was going 
  on.  I explained the woman was managing her labour using sound.  
  Each woman did the same.   The NICU staff, who were adjacent to the 
  labour ward wanted to know what was going on.  I explained to them. They 
  thought we were mad.  It was the noisiest and happiest night.  
  All babies born easily and mooingly.  The woman who started the night off 
  was a vet who worked with large animals.  I learnt so much from 
  her.
   
  Another woman, another time sang through her surges.  Her song was 
  "try not to get worried, try not to get frightened, everything's all right, 
  yes, everything's all right..." from Jesus Christ Superstar.   Her 
  baby was born into her arms as she was kneeling with one leg up, to the 
  words "yes, everything's all right" and a cheer.  The baby just 
  looked at her with that amazing look that unmedicated newborns have. 
  
   
  Birth Reborn - the video,  by our hero Michel Odent has a great 
  section on singing in pregnancy and the positive vibration it causes in the 
  baby/mother.  You all may be interested to know that we are setting up a 
  lullaby group at Belmont to help pregnant women learn lullabies and as part of 
  our activities aimed at increasing prenatal bonding and attachment.  
  Belmont is going well, we have had the joy and privilege of supporting eleven 
  women birth their babies, two of whom were born into their mothers arms 
  through water in our fabulous baths since we opened on the 4th July 05.  
  The numbers of women coming to have a look around and choosing to have their 
  maternity care with us is increasing. 
   
  midwifery hugs and happiness to all,
   
  The 
  tide is turning
   
  Carolyn Hastie
   
   
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kirsten 
DobbsSent: Friday, 19 August 2005 8:07 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] noises woman 
make in labour

 
This 
is for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc… In 
Ina May Gaskin’s, “Ina May’s guide to childbirth” she mentions it in there 
under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and “horse lips”. 
Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging 
it.
 
Here’s 
to mooing in labour!
 
Kirsten
Darwin
 

 
 
  
  

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RE: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour

2005-08-19 Thread Carolyn Hastie 



Dear 
all,
 
Many 
years ago, on night duty, a woman came in and said very seriously "I understand 
that it is very important to make sounds during labour. Is it ok to make a 
noise".   I assured her it was a great idea.  She proceeded to 
mooo, very loudly and long with each surge of her body.  Each woman in the 
labour ward that night, wanted to know what was going on.  I explained the 
woman was managing her labour using sound.  Each woman did the 
same.   The NICU staff, who were adjacent to the labour ward wanted to 
know what was going on.  I explained to them. They thought we were 
mad.  It was the noisiest and happiest night.  All babies born 
easily and mooingly.  The woman who started the night off was a vet who 
worked with large animals.  I learnt so much from 
her.
 
Another woman, another time sang through her surges.  Her song was 
"try not to get worried, try not to get frightened, everything's all right, yes, 
everything's all right..." from Jesus Christ Superstar.   Her baby was 
born into her arms as she was kneeling with one leg up, to the words "yes, 
everything's all right" and a cheer.  The baby just looked at her with 
that amazing look that unmedicated newborns have. 
 
Birth 
Reborn - the video,  by our hero Michel Odent has a great section on 
singing in pregnancy and the positive vibration it causes in the 
baby/mother.  You all may be interested to know that we are setting up a 
lullaby group at Belmont to help pregnant women learn lullabies and as part of 
our activities aimed at increasing prenatal bonding and attachment.  
Belmont is going well, we have had the joy and privilege of supporting eleven 
women birth their babies, two of whom were born into their mothers arms through 
water in our fabulous baths since we opened on the 4th July 05.  The 
numbers of women coming to have a look around and choosing to have their 
maternity care with us is increasing. 
 
midwifery hugs and happiness to all,
 
The 
tide is turning
 
Carolyn Hastie
 
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kirsten 
  DobbsSent: Friday, 19 August 2005 8:07 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] noises woman 
  make in labour
  
   
  This 
  is for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc… In 
  Ina May Gaskin’s, “Ina May’s guide to childbirth” she mentions it in there 
  under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and “horse lips”. 
  Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging 
  it.
   
  Here’s 
  to mooing in labour!
   
  Kirsten
  Darwin
   
  
   
   

[ozmidwifery] As if messing with humans isn't enough..

2005-08-19 Thread Carolyn Hastie 
Title: Untitled Document



FYI
 
Carolyn 
Hastie 
 
ICAN E-News Line

International Cesarean Awareness 
NetworkVolume 
31August 17 , 2005
Focus: Eve and 
Araca
1. Essay: Eve and Araca 

Early 
May in Utah usually brings a few warm days and this year was no exception. We 
enjoyed a day trip to the zoo during this warm respite. Hogle Zoo isn’t my 
favorite zoo, but the kids enjoy seeing the animals. 
Two 
weeks later – on Mother’s Day- Eve, a female Orangutan, had a cesarean to 
deliver her baby, Araca. When I first heard the news, I thought, “What else 
would you expect to happen? You have an animal on the endangered species list, 
pregnant. What zoo keeper is going to ‘risk’ that pregnancy and baby by sitting 
on her hands and not doing anything? And ‘anything’ is enough to slow an 
animal’s labor progress.” There were many articles in the following weeks about 
the baby’s arrival. Strangely enough, I wasn’t upset by any of them, until I 
happened to hear a radio ‘interview’ with one of the zoo staff. The zoo keeper 
described the baby’s day, being cared for by the staff, fed formula from a 
bottle and being held by staff in furry vests. The radio host joked with her 
about the care of the baby, asking how the staff avoided ‘getting messed on’. 
The zoo employee said, “We don’t diaper the baby, we want to do everything 
natural with this little orangutan.” Suddenly, I was so angry I couldn’t see 
straight. Here is Eve, whose birth was denied her by staff, who now rejects her 
own baby. Here is a baby, whose mother doesn’t recognize or claim her, being fed 
formula from humans, being held by humans in furry vests and being shown off 
between the hours of 10 a.m. until 11 a.m. and again at 2 p.m. until 3 p.m. 
daily, and they have the nerve to claim they are doing everything natural 
because the baby doesn’t have a diaper on!
I don’t 
know the details of Eve’s birth of her daughter. When called, the Zoo will not 
give out any details. When asked questions like, “How did staff know Eve was in 
labor? How long was she in labor? Was baby in distress at birth?”- no answer is 
given. You and I most likely will never get the answers to these questions or to 
the ultimate one they lead to, “Was the cesarean really 
necessary?”
In the 
end, it might matter if we knew and it might not. What I do know is that there 
is a mother who does not know her baby and a baby who does not know her mother. 
They did not get to bond after a natural birth. The baby never breast feed. The 
baby has not learned to cuddle with her mother and, in turn, may not mother her 
own babies naturally. Generations have been affected by this cesarean, in a 
species that does not have generations to give to the nervous human. 

~ 
Pamela Udy, ICAN VP 
A quick 
note: Hogle Zoo itself admits the cesarean is the reason Eve does not recognize 
her baby. Here is a blurb from their website: 

  Baby 
  Orangutan
  The baby, born Mother’s Day 
  weekend by cesarean section, is slowly being introduced to her mom. Because of 
  the cesarean birth, Eve does not yet recognize the baby as hers. The staff is 
  doing slow introductions, in an off exhibit area, to help mother and daughter 
  bond. 
  http://hoglezoo.org/about/events/
  http://www.hoglezoo.org/whats.new/

Re: [ozmidwifery] Subchorionic Haematoma

2005-08-19 Thread Julie Garratt 



Hi Fiona, 
One of my follow-through women had this happen 
and the blood apparently irritated her uterus causing her to go into premature 
labour at 33 weeks. Because theater could be set up quickly where she was, she 
was able to birth vaginaly which was fantastic. I cared for her during 
her next pregnancy and thankfully she went to term with no further problems. 

Hope this helps, Julie G, 3rd year BMid 
FUSA

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jenny 
  Cameron 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:10 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Subchorionic 
  Haematoma
  
  Hi Fiona
   
  Sub-chorionic haematoma is the medical term 
  for a collection of blood under the placenta, that is between the placenta and 
  the wall of the womb. If it is small it won't interfere significantly with the 
  function of the placenta and thus the growth of the baby. In my experience 
  some women have what is called an edge-bleed from the placenta. For some 
  reason the edge of the placenta lifts and continues to bleed on & off 
  through the pregnancy. Generally it causes no long term problems for the 
  mother or the baby. Occasionally the bleeding can be severe. I looked after a 
  woman recently who bled on & off since early pregnancy then had a big 
  bleed at 31 weeks, baby was born by emerg C/S and did well after a short 
  period in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit. Most women I have cared for with 
  edge bleeding have carried to term. The bleeding has been more of a nuisance 
  factor. Repeated light bleeds with admissions to hosp. The bleeding sometimes 
  leaves no trace on ultrasound, others may leave a sub-chorionic haematoma. 
  Your friend needs to obtain some more info from her Ob about why he thinks 
  baby might come at 24 weeks. Hope this helps.
  Jenny
  Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs 
  NT 0835
   
  0419 528 717
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
D & F 
Gorrel 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:44 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Subchorionic 
Haematoma


  
  

  Dear ozmidders
   
  Would anyone have info re subchoroionic haemotoma?  My 
  friend has bled since week 12 as is now at 20 weeks.  
  OB says she may make it 24-26 weeks.  Bub still growing 
  beautifully at this stage. Any info would be appreciated.  
  Her biggest fear is a massive bleed leading to a hysterectomy.  
  Is this common? Is the condition common?  Will this be likely in 
  any subsequent pregnancies.
   
  With thanks
   
  Fiona
   
  

  


  
  
   



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Re: [ozmidwifery] singing in labour

2005-08-19 Thread Luke M Priddis 



Wow, Lea, what an amazing story.
 
Holly (Bmid student UTS)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lea Mason 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:50 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] singing in 
  labour
  
  Here is a lovely birth story I read on 
  the MDC forums...it has inspired me to start singing sessions (along 
  with reading about this idea in Birth Reborn)...
   
  
  "I recently attended a birth that was one of the highlights of my career so 
  far. It has really affected me deeply.Mum was having her second baby. 
  Her partner and she believed in birth, believed it would happen, believed she 
  could do it. They wanted fairly minimal care, declined U/S, and took an 
  approach that her body knew best. Those beliefs in themselves were awesome to 
  witness. This family listened and asked really enlightening questions, and for 
  the most part let nature take its path…
  When I was called for labour, things were gentle and sweet. Her first 
  labour was fairly swift, so I called her second midwife to come too. We also 
  had a student whose role was to be a fly on the wall, as the parents wanted an 
  intimate feeling. She laboured beautifully, and every time a contraction came 
  her partner made this amazing sound. He sings operatic bass and so his voice 
  was like a didgeridoo -- low and modulating. She would join his voice with a 
  higher octave, sometimes copying him, sometimes moving up or down. Her 
  contraction would finish, and she'd breathe a nice deep breath, and then she 
  would turn back to us and be PRESENT in the moment…
  ...We did choose to do a vaginal exam at this point because she was feeling 
  that it was different than last time, and felt that she wasn't entering 
  'labourland'. She was a good 5-6 cm with her cervix totally effaced, and the 
  bag of waters bulging on her cervix. We waited for it to go on its own, 
  knowing that once it did, the baby would be right there. She didn't have any 
  other exams in the labour and birth. A couple of hours later she moved 
  from hands and knees to standing up. She started swaying and wiggling her hips 
  with the contractions, all the while singing her beautiful labour song with 
  her partner. The baby sounded stellar, she was drinking labourade, and all was 
  well. Around 3 we woke up her son, who was almost 2. At first he was 
  stunned and sleepy, not making a peep. Then he started to cry and ask for the 
  comfort of his mum. The mum would finish her contraction, and smile broadly 
  down at him, and lean down to comfort him. We distracted him with some trains, 
  and after awhile he started to laugh at her every time she had a contraction! 
  He would start a big belly laugh every time she had a contraction because she 
  was vocalizing. It really helped to bring him into the birth, and make it 
  happy and joyous instead of totally solemn. At this point in her 
  labour she was starting to sound like she was making love with her partner. I 
  wondered what the neighbour upstairs was thinking because it was obvious they 
  were up -- we could hear their pacing. I hoped the holy feeling would waft up 
  there and soothe them from complaining or something worse. The mum was so 
  strong, so goddess-like, and her voice was an embodiment of her strength. We 
  were in awe just watching her. She was working very hard, she was so strong. 
  She didn't ever complain, or say she couldn't do it. She accepted every 
  contraction and worked through them calmly and with such strength and 
  grace.At once, her water broke. She was standing up being supported by 
  her partner. I reached around her from behind, while the second midwife held a 
  hand at the front. The baby was crowning. Her vocalizations were at a peak 
  now, no stopping, just loud and strong. The baby inched its way out quite 
  slowly. That's what those hip wiggles were about -- those shoulders were big 
  and she wiggled them into place! Her body knew so well what to do. The baby 
  slid out, vigorous and pinking up, with quiet cries. Mum turned around and the 
  baby was passed through her legs -- she was literally hanging from her 
  partner. They sat down and she snuggled that baby close to her, and the baby 
  was transforming beautifully. The older one came over and talked to the baby. 
  Later we weighed the baby: 10 pounds even, and over an intact perineum to 
  boot!Later we heard that the birth was recorded - audio only. I 
  listened to it on our day one visit-- so amazing! You can hear her singing 
  with the contractions, then just quiet murmurings in between, with quiet 
  encouragement from us and her partner, and the lovely laughs from her son as 
  the contraction started again…"
  Lea 
  Mason, AAHCCCertified Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator & Labour 
  Support Professionalhttp://www.birthsteps.com.au
   
  
- Origin

Re: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour

2005-08-19 Thread Luke M Priddis 



Hi Kirsten
 
It was me who asked. Thanks for that, will have to 
check out the library. I know they have spiritual midwifery, but am unsure what 
else they carry.
 
All this info has been so fantastic, my group and I 
have been overwhelmed with the response : )
 
Holly (bmid student UTS)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kirsten 
  Dobbs 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:07 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make 
  in labour
  
  
   
  This 
  is for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc… In 
  Ina May Gaskin’s, “Ina May’s guide to childbirth” she mentions it in there 
  under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and “horse lips”. 
  Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging 
  it.
   
  Here’s 
  to mooing in labour!
   
  Kirsten
  Darwin
   
  
   
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] another induction

2005-08-19 Thread Karen Shlegeris 
I can imagine this would create problems due to logistics, because our OBs
are so busy already.  One yoga student of mine planned her active birth/VBAC
with her OB extensively, then when she went a few days past due date he told
her that he was sure she'd go into labour the following weekend when he
wasn't on call.  He told her that he didn't believe the on-call OB would
support her desire for an active birth and that she'd be likely to end up
with another caesarean, so she was convinced to have an induction by ARM and
Synto (as her cervix was already soft).  

Luckily, all went well - she had a short labour and gave birth to her baby
vaginally.  She's very happy with the result and feels quite empowered.  But
what a sorry situation that is!!

Karen in Townsville

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2005 7:05 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] another induction

What is wrong with the Ob asking the "covering ob" to see all his women for
one visit?  Then the woman would have at least met the doctor who might be
on when hers is away. In W.A. Homebirth midwives usually have a backup
midwife who both "covers" her but also attends as second midwife at the
birth. MM  

Honey wrote:
what about the Private OB's who have every second weekend off (or only work
every one in 3 weekends) and their backup OB covers, you go into labour on
the weekend turn up and here is an OB you have never met before. 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] singing in labour

2005-08-19 Thread Lea Mason 



Here is a lovely birth story I read on the MDC 
forums...it has inspired me to start singing sessions (along with reading 
about this idea in Birth Reborn)...
 

"I recently attended a birth that was one of the highlights of my career so 
far. It has really affected me deeply.Mum was having her second baby. 
Her partner and she believed in birth, believed it would happen, believed she 
could do it. They wanted fairly minimal care, declined U/S, and took an approach 
that her body knew best. Those beliefs in themselves were awesome to witness. 
This family listened and asked really enlightening questions, and for the most 
part let nature take its path…
When I was called for labour, things were gentle and sweet. Her first labour 
was fairly swift, so I called her second midwife to come too. We also had a 
student whose role was to be a fly on the wall, as the parents wanted an 
intimate feeling. She laboured beautifully, and every time a contraction came 
her partner made this amazing sound. He sings operatic bass and so his voice was 
like a didgeridoo -- low and modulating. She would join his voice with a higher 
octave, sometimes copying him, sometimes moving up or down. Her contraction 
would finish, and she'd breathe a nice deep breath, and then she would turn back 
to us and be PRESENT in the moment…
...We did choose to do a vaginal exam at this point because she was feeling 
that it was different than last time, and felt that she wasn't entering 
'labourland'. She was a good 5-6 cm with her cervix totally effaced, and the bag 
of waters bulging on her cervix. We waited for it to go on its own, knowing that 
once it did, the baby would be right there. She didn't have any other exams in 
the labour and birth. A couple of hours later she moved from hands and 
knees to standing up. She started swaying and wiggling her hips with the 
contractions, all the while singing her beautiful labour song with her partner. 
The baby sounded stellar, she was drinking labourade, and all was well. 
Around 3 we woke up her son, who was almost 2. At first he was stunned 
and sleepy, not making a peep. Then he started to cry and ask for the comfort of 
his mum. The mum would finish her contraction, and smile broadly down at him, 
and lean down to comfort him. We distracted him with some trains, and after 
awhile he started to laugh at her every time she had a contraction! He would 
start a big belly laugh every time she had a contraction because she was 
vocalizing. It really helped to bring him into the birth, and make it happy and 
joyous instead of totally solemn. At this point in her labour she was 
starting to sound like she was making love with her partner. I wondered what the 
neighbour upstairs was thinking because it was obvious they were up -- we could 
hear their pacing. I hoped the holy feeling would waft up there and soothe them 
from complaining or something worse. The mum was so strong, so goddess-like, and 
her voice was an embodiment of her strength. We were in awe just watching her. 
She was working very hard, she was so strong. She didn't ever complain, or say 
she couldn't do it. She accepted every contraction and worked through them 
calmly and with such strength and grace.At once, her water broke. She 
was standing up being supported by her partner. I reached around her from 
behind, while the second midwife held a hand at the front. The baby was 
crowning. Her vocalizations were at a peak now, no stopping, just loud and 
strong. The baby inched its way out quite slowly. That's what those hip wiggles 
were about -- those shoulders were big and she wiggled them into place! Her body 
knew so well what to do. The baby slid out, vigorous and pinking up, with quiet 
cries. Mum turned around and the baby was passed through her legs -- she was 
literally hanging from her partner. They sat down and she snuggled that baby 
close to her, and the baby was transforming beautifully. The older one came over 
and talked to the baby. Later we weighed the baby: 10 pounds even, and over an 
intact perineum to boot!Later we heard that the birth was recorded - 
audio only. I listened to it on our day one visit-- so amazing! You can hear her 
singing with the contractions, then just quiet murmurings in between, with quiet 
encouragement from us and her partner, and the lovely laughs from her son as the 
contraction started again…"
Lea 
Mason, AAHCCCertified Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator & Labour 
Support Professionalhttp://www.birthsteps.com.au
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Honey 
  Acharya 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] noises woman 
  make in labour
  
  Some people also suggest singing!
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

2005-08-19 Thread Vedrana Valčić 
A master education plan would be a really systematic approach. It's an 
interesting thought. We ("Parents in Action" NGO in Croatia) were thinking more 
on the line of providing information and education for parents, emphasizing the 
advantages of natural birth whenever we can in the media, supporting midwives 
in their demands for university-level education, Andrea (Robertson) has 
suggested organizing a conference on natural birth and collecting information 
about what care women wanted and where they were able to get it and so on. The 
problem is that we are all volunteers, with our own children, and any project 
which demands more time than our free time is something we can't take on right 
now.

Vedrana


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanning
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:23 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

So, really education is the key to all things.

I wonder how you could instigate a master education plan for consumers, 
professionals & media

Do you start with the schools ? Teaching the next generation of mothers what 
their rights are ?

I wonder ?  www.coreoflife.org  may have a suggestion.

BM
- Original Message - 
From: "Vedrana Valčić" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia


> Well, almost 4 years have passed and I've had a chance to analyze it with 
> a friend from Netherlands and a friend from Sweden who gave birth at home 
> so I'm OK with my choices in the given situation, I feel right. Plus, I'm 
> still better off then to have ended up on CS which probably would have 
> been necessary had I not refused being induced at 40 weeks (baby was 
> fine). And I like it better when I can find humour somewhere than to feel 
> hurt every time.
>
> For things to change, in my point of view, midwives have to get a chance 
> to get a university degree in midwifery, they have to become aware of the 
> advantages of a natural birth, mothers and fathers to be must be educated 
> as well, it wouldn't hurt if the media were more sensitive to natural 
> birth, not only to deaths of newborns or mothers which happen once in a 
> while and it would also be helpful if the legal system were more 
> protective of patient's rights (theoretically it is, but not in reality).
>
> I don't know if I covered it all.
>
> It IS inspiring to read your list, one gets many ideas.
>
> Vedrana
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanning
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:18 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia
>
> Vedrana,
>
> And you still have a sense of humour ! What a woman !
>
> What needs to happen to change things then ?
>
> Brenda
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Vedrana Valčić" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:17 PM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia
>
>
>> You'd be inspired by my birth story then, as well ;). Ended up with a 
>> torn
>> cervix when the obstetrician decided that they must finish "this birth
>> because it is taking too long" even though the baby was fine. Used vacuum
>> extraction and another obstetrician who practically laid on my belly with
>> all his weight.
>>
>> I'd say that in almost all Croatian hospitals, there is no waiting. And
>> midwives don't have the university degree (they only have high-school
>> education) which means that an OB always has to be there when you give
>> birth and midwives aren't independent at all.
>>
>> As for the hospitals, it is similar to what Paivi described and I can
>> totally understand her when she says that it feels almost unfair to
>> educate and train moms for a natural birth, when you know what's waiting
>> for them in the hospital.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:55 PM
>> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia
>>
>> I'm glad that you are using my article.  I just sat down and wrote it out
>> one
>> day in a fit of impatience at hearing another story about a primip 
>> section
>> with
>> a swollen lip.  I get email from U.S. physicians on a pretty regular 
>> basis
>> that
>> they are working with the article and having great results.  Usually it's
>> during
>> the midnight to 6 a.m. shift and with a collaborating nurse.  Bit by bit,
>> we may
>> be able to retrain in the art of primip pushing.  Gloria
>>
>> Quoting Vedrana Valèiæ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>> Wow, this article is a revelation for me, as well as articles by Henci
>>> Goer
>>> (from someone else's posts before). For anyone as interested, the link 
>>> is
>>> http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/pushing.asp and articles by Henci

Re: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour

2005-08-19 Thread Honey Acharya 



Some people also suggest singing!
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kirsten 
  Dobbs 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:07 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make 
  in labour
  
  
   
  This 
  is for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc… In 
  Ina May Gaskin’s, “Ina May’s guide to childbirth” she mentions it in there 
  under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and “horse lips”. 
  Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging 
  it.
   
  Here’s 
  to mooing in labour!
   
  Kirsten
  Darwin
   
  
   
   

[ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour

2005-08-19 Thread Kirsten Dobbs 








 

This is
for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc… In
Ina May Gaskin’s, “Ina May’s guide to childbirth” she
mentions it in there under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and “horse lips”.
Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging it.

 

Here’s
to mooing in labour!

 

Kirsten

Darwin

 



 



 

Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

2005-08-19 Thread brendamanning 

So, really education is the key to all things.

I wonder how you could instigate a master education plan for consumers, 
professionals & media


Do you start with the schools ? Teaching the next generation of mothers what 
their rights are ?


I wonder ?  www.coreoflife.org  may have a suggestion.

BM
- Original Message - 
From: "Vedrana Valčić" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia


Well, almost 4 years have passed and I've had a chance to analyze it with 
a friend from Netherlands and a friend from Sweden who gave birth at home 
so I'm OK with my choices in the given situation, I feel right. Plus, I'm 
still better off then to have ended up on CS which probably would have 
been necessary had I not refused being induced at 40 weeks (baby was 
fine). And I like it better when I can find humour somewhere than to feel 
hurt every time.


For things to change, in my point of view, midwives have to get a chance 
to get a university degree in midwifery, they have to become aware of the 
advantages of a natural birth, mothers and fathers to be must be educated 
as well, it wouldn't hurt if the media were more sensitive to natural 
birth, not only to deaths of newborns or mothers which happen once in a 
while and it would also be helpful if the legal system were more 
protective of patient's rights (theoretically it is, but not in reality).


I don't know if I covered it all.

It IS inspiring to read your list, one gets many ideas.

Vedrana

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanning

Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:18 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

Vedrana,

And you still have a sense of humour ! What a woman !

What needs to happen to change things then ?

Brenda
- Original Message - 
From: "Vedrana Valčić" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia


You'd be inspired by my birth story then, as well ;). Ended up with a 
torn

cervix when the obstetrician decided that they must finish "this birth
because it is taking too long" even though the baby was fine. Used vacuum
extraction and another obstetrician who practically laid on my belly with
all his weight.

I'd say that in almost all Croatian hospitals, there is no waiting. And
midwives don't have the university degree (they only have high-school
education) which means that an OB always has to be there when you give
birth and midwives aren't independent at all.

As for the hospitals, it is similar to what Paivi described and I can
totally understand her when she says that it feels almost unfair to
educate and train moms for a natural birth, when you know what's waiting
for them in the hospital.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

I'm glad that you are using my article.  I just sat down and wrote it out
one
day in a fit of impatience at hearing another story about a primip 
section

with
a swollen lip.  I get email from U.S. physicians on a pretty regular 
basis

that
they are working with the article and having great results.  Usually it's
during
the midnight to 6 a.m. shift and with a collaborating nurse.  Bit by bit,
we may
be able to retrain in the art of primip pushing.  Gloria

Quoting Vedrana Valèiæ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Wow, this article is a revelation for me, as well as articles by Henci
Goer
(from someone else's posts before). For anyone as interested, the link 
is

http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/pushing.asp and articles by Henci
Goer
are at http://www.hencigoer.com/articles/.

Vedrana

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally 
Westbury

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:02 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

I agree with gloria in this. Actually I give all my first time mums your
article "pushing for first time moms"

Sally Westbury

Homebirth Midwife

"Learn from mothers and babies; every one of them has a unique story to
tell. Look for wisdom in the humblest places - that's usually where
you'll find it."

- Lois Wilson



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RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

2005-08-19 Thread Vedrana Valčić 
Well, almost 4 years have passed and I've had a chance to analyze it with a 
friend from Netherlands and a friend from Sweden who gave birth at home so I'm 
OK with my choices in the given situation, I feel right. Plus, I'm still better 
off then to have ended up on CS which probably would have been necessary had I 
not refused being induced at 40 weeks (baby was fine). And I like it better 
when I can find humour somewhere than to feel hurt every time.

For things to change, in my point of view, midwives have to get a chance to get 
a university degree in midwifery, they have to become aware of the advantages 
of a natural birth, mothers and fathers to be must be educated as well, it 
wouldn't hurt if the media were more sensitive to natural birth, not only to 
deaths of newborns or mothers which happen once in a while and it would also be 
helpful if the legal system were more protective of patient's rights 
(theoretically it is, but not in reality).

I don't know if I covered it all.

It IS inspiring to read your list, one gets many ideas.

Vedrana

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanning
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:18 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

Vedrana,

And you still have a sense of humour ! What a woman !

What needs to happen to change things then ?

Brenda
- Original Message - 
From: "Vedrana Valčić" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia


> You'd be inspired by my birth story then, as well ;). Ended up with a torn 
> cervix when the obstetrician decided that they must finish "this birth 
> because it is taking too long" even though the baby was fine. Used vacuum 
> extraction and another obstetrician who practically laid on my belly with 
> all his weight.
>
> I'd say that in almost all Croatian hospitals, there is no waiting. And 
> midwives don't have the university degree (they only have high-school 
> education) which means that an OB always has to be there when you give 
> birth and midwives aren't independent at all.
>
> As for the hospitals, it is similar to what Paivi described and I can 
> totally understand her when she says that it feels almost unfair to 
> educate and train moms for a natural birth, when you know what's waiting 
> for them in the hospital.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:55 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia
>
> I'm glad that you are using my article.  I just sat down and wrote it out 
> one
> day in a fit of impatience at hearing another story about a primip section 
> with
> a swollen lip.  I get email from U.S. physicians on a pretty regular basis 
> that
> they are working with the article and having great results.  Usually it's 
> during
> the midnight to 6 a.m. shift and with a collaborating nurse.  Bit by bit, 
> we may
> be able to retrain in the art of primip pushing.  Gloria
>
> Quoting Vedrana Valèiæ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Wow, this article is a revelation for me, as well as articles by Henci 
>> Goer
>> (from someone else's posts before). For anyone as interested, the link is
>> http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/pushing.asp and articles by Henci 
>> Goer
>> are at http://www.hencigoer.com/articles/.
>>
>> Vedrana
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Westbury
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:02 AM
>> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia
>>
>> I agree with gloria in this. Actually I give all my first time mums your
>> article "pushing for first time moms"
>>
>> Sally Westbury
>>
>> Homebirth Midwife
>>
>> "Learn from mothers and babies; every one of them has a unique story to
>> tell. Look for wisdom in the humblest places - that's usually where
>> you'll find it."
>>
>> - Lois Wilson
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

2005-08-19 Thread brendamanning 

Vedrana,

And you still have a sense of humour ! What a woman !

What needs to happen to change things then ?

Brenda
- Original Message - 
From: "Vedrana Valčić" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia


You'd be inspired by my birth story then, as well ;). Ended up with a torn 
cervix when the obstetrician decided that they must finish "this birth 
because it is taking too long" even though the baby was fine. Used vacuum 
extraction and another obstetrician who practically laid on my belly with 
all his weight.


I'd say that in almost all Croatian hospitals, there is no waiting. And 
midwives don't have the university degree (they only have high-school 
education) which means that an OB always has to be there when you give 
birth and midwives aren't independent at all.


As for the hospitals, it is similar to what Paivi described and I can 
totally understand her when she says that it feels almost unfair to 
educate and train moms for a natural birth, when you know what's waiting 
for them in the hospital.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

I'm glad that you are using my article.  I just sat down and wrote it out 
one
day in a fit of impatience at hearing another story about a primip section 
with
a swollen lip.  I get email from U.S. physicians on a pretty regular basis 
that
they are working with the article and having great results.  Usually it's 
during
the midnight to 6 a.m. shift and with a collaborating nurse.  Bit by bit, 
we may

be able to retrain in the art of primip pushing.  Gloria

Quoting Vedrana Valèiæ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Wow, this article is a revelation for me, as well as articles by Henci 
Goer

(from someone else's posts before). For anyone as interested, the link is
http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/pushing.asp and articles by Henci 
Goer

are at http://www.hencigoer.com/articles/.

Vedrana

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Westbury
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:02 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

I agree with gloria in this. Actually I give all my first time mums your
article "pushing for first time moms"

Sally Westbury

Homebirth Midwife

"Learn from mothers and babies; every one of them has a unique story to
tell. Look for wisdom in the humblest places - that's usually where
you'll find it."

- Lois Wilson



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RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

2005-08-19 Thread Vedrana Valčić 
You'd be inspired by my birth story then, as well ;). Ended up with a torn 
cervix when the obstetrician decided that they must finish "this birth because 
it is taking too long" even though the baby was fine. Used vacuum extraction 
and another obstetrician who practically laid on my belly with all his weight.

I'd say that in almost all Croatian hospitals, there is no waiting. And 
midwives don't have the university degree (they only have high-school 
education) which means that an OB always has to be there when you give birth 
and midwives aren't independent at all.

As for the hospitals, it is similar to what Paivi described and I can totally 
understand her when she says that it feels almost unfair to educate and train 
moms for a natural birth, when you know what's waiting for them in the hospital.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia

I'm glad that you are using my article.  I just sat down and wrote it out one
day in a fit of impatience at hearing another story about a primip section with
a swollen lip.  I get email from U.S. physicians on a pretty regular basis that
they are working with the article and having great results.  Usually it's during
the midnight to 6 a.m. shift and with a collaborating nurse.  Bit by bit, we may
be able to retrain in the art of primip pushing.  Gloria

Quoting Vedrana Valèiæ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Wow, this article is a revelation for me, as well as articles by Henci Goer
> (from someone else's posts before). For anyone as interested, the link is
> http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/pushing.asp and articles by Henci Goer
> are at http://www.hencigoer.com/articles/.
> 
> Vedrana 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Westbury
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:02 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: shoulder dysticia
> 
> I agree with gloria in this. Actually I give all my first time mums your
> article "pushing for first time moms"
> 
> Sally Westbury
> 
> Homebirth Midwife
> 
> "Learn from mothers and babies; every one of them has a unique story to
> tell. Look for wisdom in the humblest places - that's usually where
> you'll find it."
> 
> - Lois Wilson
> 
> 
> 
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