[ozmidwifery] transition
Does anyone know where I can find a good explanation of transition during childbirth? What do you usually tell women about transition in childbirth education classes (or when asked)? Vedrana -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] transition
I probably can't help you much here, but I had to share! Rhea Dempsey (www.birthingwisdom.com.au) has a trademark 'catchphrase' that sums it up all so well and I know many other midwives love it too. It's not specific to transition and can happen anytime in birth (but usually in transition!). She calls it a 'crisis of confidence'. Isn't it fantastic! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valèiæ Sent: Sunday, 28 August 2005 5:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] transition Does anyone know where I can find a good explanation of transition during childbirth? What do you usually tell women about transition in childbirth education classes (or when asked)? Vedrana -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video
thanks! it is extremely cute. I had the whole family in stitches. Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 28/08/2005, at 8:51 AM, Judy Chapman wrote: Coming, and to you as well Ken. Judy --- Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it possible to get a copy??? Everyone's replies has me curious... :-) Katrina On 27/08/2005, at 7:27 PM, Ken WArd wrote: I would love to see this video too, please. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana ValÄŸiÄΩ Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2005 5:02 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video You're welcome! Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joy Cocks Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:20 AM To: Ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video Dear Vedrana, Thanks so much for the video...I love it!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video
It's excellent!!! J : ) - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video thanks! it is extremely cute. I had the whole family in stitches.Katrina www.niagaraparkshow.com.auOn 28/08/2005, at 8:51 AM, Judy Chapman wrote: Coming, and to you as well Ken.Judy--- Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to get a copy??? Everyone's replies has mecurious...:-)KatrinaOn 27/08/2005, at 7:27 PM, Ken WArd wrote: I would love to see this video too, please. Maureen-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf OfVedrana ValÙi½Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2005 5:02 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF videoYou're welcome!Vedrana-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf OfJoy Cocks Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:20 AMTo: OzmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF videoDear Vedrana,Thanks so much for the video...I love it!!JoyJoy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe orunsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe orunsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe orunsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] hep C
Title: Bericht Hoi friends, Can I ask a question to you knowledged wives How do I have handle a woman who was infected with hep C and is pregnant now. She wants a homebirth. She has also a history of drugaddiction, but seems to be clean now. What are the risks, do we have to take special care for her the baby and ourself? By the way , the language in the breastfeeding video is Hebrew, it is made in Israël warm greetings Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477/740853 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005
[ozmidwifery] FYI: birth on Holland's Big Brother
Title: FYI: birth on Holland's Big Brother Big Brother baby From: Reuters From correspondents in Amsterdam August 28, 2005 DUTCH authorities are investigating plans by the producers of the Big Brother reality television show to include a pregnant contestant who will give birth on the show. Talpa, the new television station launched earlier this month by the billionaire creator of Big Brother John de Mol, will broadcast a new series from Sunday in which a contestant is due to give birth six weeks into the show. A spokeswoman for the social affairs and labor ministry confirmed a report in De Telegraaf daily on Saturday that inspectors were examining a request by Big Brother producers for the newborn baby to be allowed to appear on the program. The Netherlands has strict rules governing young children acting on television, in films or on the stage. The ruling Christian Democrats have condemned the idea of a birth on the live show, but the 27-year-old pregnant contestant identified only as Tanja defended the idea. I think that my child will be proud of it later, she told De Telegraaf. The show's director Hummie van der Tonnekreek said Tanja would be well looked after in the Big Brother house, where a group of 12 strangers are locked in together and gradually voted out by the audience. She will get the maximum attention and care, Van der Tonnekreek said. Versions of the show first aired in the Netherlands in 1999 have since been produced in dozens of countries worldwide.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI: birth on Holland's Big Brother
whatever will they think of next?? On 28/08/2005, at 10:05 PM, Megan Larry wrote: Big Brother baby From: Reuters From correspondents in Amsterdam August 28, 2005 DUTCH authorities are investigating plans by the producers of the Big Brother reality television show to include a pregnant contestant who will give birth on the show. Talpa, the new television station launched earlier this month by the billionaire creator of Big Brother John de Mol, will broadcast a new series from Sunday in which a contestant is due to give birth six weeks into the show. A spokeswoman for the social affairs and labor ministry confirmed a report in De Telegraaf daily on Saturday that inspectors were examining a request by Big Brother producers for the newborn baby to be allowed to appear on the program. The Netherlands has strict rules governing young children acting on television, in films or on the stage. The ruling Christian Democrats have condemned the idea of a birth on the live show, but the 27-year-old pregnant contestant identified only as Tanja defended the idea. I think that my child will be proud of it later, she told De Telegraaf. The show's director Hummie van der Tonnekreek said Tanja would be well looked after in the Big Brother house, where a group of 12 strangers are locked in together and gradually voted out by the audience. She will get the maximum attention and care, Van der Tonnekreek said. Versions of the show first aired in the Netherlands in 1999 have since been produced in dozens of countries worldwide.
[ozmidwifery] National CS Awareness day 2005
Could everyone who is doing something for the 2005 National Caesarean Awareness Day please register you event with CARES SA. We are long term planning for some serious funding in the future and need to keep track of just what is happening and where...what are you doing, who have you organized to speak, what focus is the day and most importantly are you adhering to the aims and philosophy set down in 2001. It is important that even if you are getting together for an informal chat with some cs/vbac mums to register. If we can show that there is continued even growing interest in this event then we can achieve funding for the a organized national event in the future. Please contact Jo Bainbridge CARES SA [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 08 8388 6918. Information on the NCAD is on the CARES SA web site: www.cares-sa.org.au Cheers and thank you for your support. Jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be directed for pushing
Hi Emily, I don't think there is much evidence to support not doing VE's in labour at the moment. But I guess as most midwives will tell you that with experience you can learn to judge where the woman is at without invasive VE's all the time (of course there are always a few surprises!!) I find that the pigmentation which travels up their bottom crease as they dilate is a good indicator, as well as listening to their sounds, the things they say and their behaviour. If they were pushing and there were no signs of descent after a time then I probably would do a VE. I think the worst part of doing one to confirm that a woman is fully (apart from the discomfort to the woman) is that then the whole time factors comes into play. eg. in some hospitals they only "allow" 45 mins for a primip to push and 30 mins for a multi. So by avoiding VE's or putting them off you can buy some time for the woman. Cheers Michelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/26/05 03:07pm great! thats what i was hoping. i would have hated tofind out that i needed to tell mums to ignore theirfeelings. do you know if theres any evidence to backthis up b/c where im at at the moment they always do aVE before 'allowing' mum to push haha how sadlove emily--- Michelle Windsor [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I guess the big fear associated with pushing before the woman is fully is that the cervix will either swell up (and then take longer to dilate) or tear. About the only time I've seen swelling of the cervix is when women are directed to push by staff who have been mistaken in their VE (ie not fully dilated). I've never seen a problem with multi's who involuntarily push before being fully dilated. My sister had an ARM at 4 cm (induced) and began pushing almost straight after and 15 mins later had a baby! Where I work we rarely do VE's so I'm sure that lots of our mums are pushing prior to being fully and so far we haven't had any problems. Cheers Michelle Emily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have been wondering lately about the other side of things. i was with a woman last week who was feeling strong urges to push and was pushing involuntarily at the peak of each contraction from about 4cm. she only had two VEs - 4cm and 6cm. about half an hour after the 6cm one everyone was still talking her through breathing through the contractions and trying not to push. she had been doing a lot of poo so i checked her to clean her up again and there i see half a little head sitting on her peri. the poor poor lady still trying not to push through that. i feel awful that she never got to go with her urges. so what is the alternative? should women go with what their body tells them to do if that means pushing way before they're fully? she sustained quite a bad posterior vaginal wall tear as well - would this be related at all to pushing before full dilation? love to hear your opinions because i really did feel bad for this poor lady having to fight her urges. she had so much faith in everyone.. ((anyway after all that she was very satisfied with her birth, had 8 of her family including her grandfather with her and a lovely baby girl.)) love emily --- jo wrote: InterestingI work with our local homebirth midwife as a doula and we had a client a few weeks back who never had the urge to push, baby was finally born about 51/2 hours after full dilation. The urge never came to her, she actively pushed towards the end - not directed by anyone...although not naturally occurring pushes.Jo Hunter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pivi Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 7:31 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be directed for pushing Hi again,Like I told you earlier, I have just started a childbirth education program. One of my students just gave birth and had a quick and straight forward unmedicated 1st stage, but ended up pushing for 1.45minutes. She said she had no idea, what she had to do and told very clearly to the midwife to direct her for pushing. I had promised to be her doula if she felt she needed me, but since it all went so quickly, she never called me. I was justwondering how I would have reacted to the situation if I was there, since during the training we emphasized spontanious pushing, waiting for the urge to push and following your own feelings. I noticed there was discussion about pushing here a week ago and I read the wonderful artickle by Gloria Lemay too. But what if the mom wants to be directed? Do you ever direct a woman in 2nd stage and if so, how? The bag of waters was broken in the end of transition and water was green. She was also given syntocin 40 minutes after she started pushing, because the contractions were getting less powerful... She said she never felt a real urge to push. She was pushing on all-fours
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video
Judy, Can I have a copy too? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! - Original Message - From: Päivi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video Yes please, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you : ) Any more takers for this one??? It will take a while for me on my slow line to upload. I will try to get on line about lunch time tomorrow to send to those who say. Cheers Judy --- Kate /or Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto please Kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video Judy can you send it to me? Thank you [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF video I have just been sent a hilarious video (2MB). Mum doing a yoga handstand, baby crawling and knows where the good stuff comes from... Need I say more. What a laugh. On a par with one of my bellydance mates who is still BF a 2 yr old. 10 min prior to performance it was a loud Titta, Mum, Titta and when side one was finished Other side Mum, other side. God love 'em. Cheers Judy --- - Do you Yahoo!? Messenger 7.0: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. You could win a holiday to see them! --- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 Do you Yahoo!? Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. You could win a holiday to see them! http://au.docs.yahoo.com/promotions/messenger/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] 3rd degree tears
Hi, I've just returned from a clinical placement in SA where I spent a mindblowing three hours in an incontinence clinic in an outpatients unit at a major hospital. The mindblowing element was the following statistics (copied from one of the handouts): 39-49% women tear or have an episiotomy needing sutures 0.5 - 2.5% have a 3rd or 4th degree tear after vaginal childbirth that is visible 25-35% after first vaginal delivery have a concealed or closed 3rd degree tear, not visible Listed as contributing factors were: 1st vaginal birth forceps/instrumental delivery long second stage 1 hour big baby 4kgs tissue type, short perineum, epidural, uncontrolled pushing, rapid delivery, midline tear or episiotomy The nurse practitioner stated this was all evidence-based information and recommended c/sections to women who had had previous 3rd degree repairs - these were the ones who knew about their tears obviously. The handouts do not give references and as yet I have not had time to begin researching. Are you all as mindblown as I am?? What do you think - are 1/4 - 1/3 of us walking around with damaged anal sphincters and not aware of it?? Where does this sort of information lead us - if our bodies are so inept at giving birth then all first babies and subsequently all babies should be born by c/section. Sue
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video
Hi Judy, Yes please for the video. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] 3rd degree tears
Yes Sue, that is scary stuff indeed. Makes me think that manufacturers of incontinence products will be delighted. Those statistics are appalling. Think how many people will need theses products based on the information below! You know 1 in 3 women over the age of 35 who have had a baby will suffer from occasional bladder weaknessnothing to be ashamed aboutbest handled with Poise etc etc A very cynical Julia. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Cookson Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 11:05 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] 3rd degree tears Hi, I've just returned from a clinical placement in SA where I spent a mindblowing three hours in an incontinence clinic in an outpatients unit at a major hospital. The mindblowing element was the following statistics (copied from one of the handouts): 39-49% women tear or have an episiotomy needing sutures 0.5 - 2.5% have a 3rd or 4th degree tear after vaginal childbirth that is visible 25-35% after first vaginal delivery have a concealed or closed 3rd degree tear, not visible Listed as contributing factors were: 1st vaginal birth forceps/instrumental delivery long second stage 1 hour big baby 4kgs tissue type, short perineum, epidural, uncontrolled pushing, rapid delivery, midline tear or episiotomy The nurse practitioner stated this was all evidence-based information and recommended c/sections to women who had had previous 3rd degree repairs - these were the ones who knew about their tears obviously. The handouts do not give references and as yet I have not had time to begin researching. Are you all as mindblown as I am?? What do you think - are 1/4 - 1/3 of us walking around with damaged anal sphincters and not aware of it?? Where does this sort of information lead us - if our bodies are so inept at giving birth then all first babies and subsequently all babies should be born by c/section. Sue
Re: [ozmidwifery] 3rd degree tears
Hi Sue, Take a big,deep breath, and anothernow.think: who stands to gain most from this data who stands to lose most ?? You are mind-blown because in yourheart, you know better ! Just to recap... Based on what you learned inone3 hour session, with no reference material to back up the information, you are thinking thatthe only wayto prevent this catastrophe would be to perform vaginal bypass surgery on all women surgically remove all babies from their mothers. Thisis how Obstetricians are brainwashed intorescuing mothers babies from damagingone anothers bodies during the perfectly normal, natural birth process. Perhaps checking the stats, references research before you lose confidence inwomens bodies ability to accomplish (without horrific damage) what we are born to do mightrestore your faith! I'm sure there are a million variables involved, could their birth practices, labour management techniques, promotion or lack of active birth principleshave any bearing on their stats ??? Just a thought !! BM - Original Message - From: Julia Vaughan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 3rd degree tears Yes Sue, that is scary stuff indeed. Makes me think that manufacturers of incontinence products will be delighted. Those statistics are appalling. Think how many people will need theses products based on the information below! You know 1 in 3 women over the age of 35 who have had a baby will suffer from occasional bladder weakness nothing to be ashamed about best handled with Poise etc etc A very cynical Julia. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue CooksonSent: Monday, 29 August 2005 11:05 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] 3rd degree tears Hi,I've just returned from a clinical placement in SA where I spent a mindblowing three hours in an incontinence clinic in an outpatients unit at a major hospital.The mindblowing element was the following statistics (copied from one of the handouts): · 39-49% women tear or have an episiotomy needing sutures · 0.5 - 2.5% have a 3rd or 4th degree tear after vaginal childbirth that is visible · 25-35% after first vaginal delivery have a concealed or closed 3rd degree tear, not visible Listed as contributing factors were: · 1st vaginal birth · forceps/instrumental delivery · long second stage 1 hour · big baby 4kgs · tissue type, short perineum, epidural, uncontrolled pushing, rapid delivery, midline tear or episiotomy The nurse practitioner stated this was all evidence-based information and recommended c/sections to women who had had previous 3rd degree repairs - these were the ones who knew about their tears obviously.The handouts do not give references and as yet I have not had time to begin researching.Are you all as mindblown as I am??What do you think - are 1/4 - 1/3 of us walking around with damaged anal sphincters and not aware of it??Where does this sort of information lead us - if our bodies are so inept at giving birth then all first babies and subsequently all babies should be born by c/section.Sue
[ozmidwifery] new SA members
Jo, I will collect the mail tomorrow, and post your new members their welcome letter, receipts and BM's on Wednesday, so they'll have them by the 11th. Cheers, Katrina Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could everyone who is doing something for the 2005 National Caesarean Awareness Day please register you event with CARES SA. We are long term planning for some serious funding in the future and need to keep track of just what is happening and where...what are you doing, who have you organized to speak, what focus is the day and most importantly are you adhering to the aims and philosophy set down in 2001. It is important that even if you are getting together for an informal chat with some cs/vbac mums to register. If we can show that there is continued even growing interest in this event then we can achieve funding for the a organized national event in the future. Please contact Jo Bainbridge CARES SA [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 08 8388 6918. Information on the NCAD is on the CARES SA web site: www.cares-sa.org.au Cheers and thank you for your support. Jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] SA members
Oops, didn't mean to make that a public announcement. Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
