RE: [ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-24 Thread Kelly @ BellyBelly
Title: Message



Brenda,
 
I found this 
interesting information below on the Childbirth Solutions website: http://www.childbirthsolutions.com/articles/birth/vbacinfo/index.php

Cephalo-pelvic disproportion 
(CPD)
This indication has been shown repeatedly to be 
inaccurate as a predictor of the possibility of future vaginal births. Up to 77% 
of women with a previous caesarean for CPD have a later vaginal birth. One third 
of them with larger babies. (ICEA Review). X-rays 
are notoriously inaccurate as a means of diagnosing CPD. The movement of a 
woman's pelvis during labour and the position of the baby are so significant 
that an x-ray prior to, or during, pregnancy cannot reliably indicate the 
likelihood of vaginal birth. 
Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, 
www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For 
Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & BabyAustralian Little Tikes 
Specialists 

  
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  [ozmidwifery] CPD
  Thank you
  BM
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Janet 
Fraser 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:45 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD

I'll put my mind to work 
on this one. All I can say is that I hear it all the time from women with 
Obs (surprise, surprise) and most women I know have birthed larger 
subsequent babies but at home without obstetric *ahem* "wisdom". A friend 
was dx with CPD with her 8lber and then pushed out an 11lber at home - no 
tear, no graze!
I'll look around. 
Something rings a bell...
J

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  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 
  3:48 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD
  
  Hi listers,
   
  A ?
  Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this 
  misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
   
  Any idea where I'd find this info ??
   
  Brenda
  www.themidwife.com.au  

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2005-09-24 Thread brendamanning




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath preferences

2005-09-24 Thread Anne Clarke



Dear All,
 
I also forgot to mention that here in Queensland 
there is a Q health policy that you have to have access to at least 3 sides of 
the pool for labouring/birthing women.  The baths in the birth suites in 
the RWH Brisbane have been vetoed for use because of this policy from Q 
health, however, because we use round, deeper pools in the Birth Centre we have 
a greater access than the corner baths and so they couldn't use this excuse when 
they banned the use of the pools in the birth suite.  If anyone in 
Queensland hosptials are thinking of adding a birth pool please take this issue 
into consideration.  Even if you opt for the corner baths remember to give 
at least a three side access and lets face it on a corner bath it all 
around.
 
I also find the deep round pools we use are great 
for bouyancy as they are by description far deeper than the corner baths 
available to my knowledge.  We have 2 steps and a large landing on one side 
for ease of access too.  We had to provide a bed trolley that could lever 
to the edge and to the level of the bath so (if necessary) we could then 
get the mother out easily if she was unable to exit herself.  To date there 
has never been a problem with a mother unable to exit the bath by 
herself.  This was never a problem with any of the home births I have 
attended either, but it makes the health and safety people in the hospital 
happy.  Mind you this is the lot that took 3 months and 12 people meetings 
for them to develop a policy on how how to just clean the bath after we had 
been cleaning it quite successfully for the previous 5 years with any infection 
problems.
 
RegardsAnne Clarke
Birth Centre, Brisbane
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:12 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath 
  preferences
  
  How interesting that we all have 
  different views on the pool suitable for birthing !
   
  Does this mean MW as a group are 
  just a contrary bunch ? 
  Everyone has their own set of 
  experiences I guess.
   
  I do agree with Anne about the 
  spas being an infection control nightmare  & with Mary about the not 
  hitting heads on walls when leaning over the sides, plus space to spread 
  knees, but with the larger inbuilt domestic spas seats & ledges can be 
  very restful. I too have noticed that the rectangular shape encourages women 
  to lie down unless you actively promote hands & knees lengthways in tub 
  & then there's not much room for her partner. 
  At the homebirths I attend we 
  use all sorts & they all work well as long as the water is deep enough, 
  warm enough & roomy enough.Paddling pools are great.
   
  The concept of a bath/pool in 
  the middle of a room & exposed on 3 sides reminds me of being in a fish 
  bowl, not somewhere cosy, dark, snug & private to birth in, but open 
  to view...yuk !! Unless the room was really small 
  & nesty (then it'd be an OH&S problem) it's a bit like being 
  on public display & all for the attendants benefit, not the clients. 
  Remember those Russian videos of the waterbirths in a transparent tub where 
  the OB "plays" with the baby under the water & the mother is almost 
  just an onlooker ? I get really angry every time I see that video even 
  though I know they are demonstrating a point, I feel he takes over her birth 
  & 'owns her baby' ! Rant over !!
   I (can't recall seeing 
  many mammals birthing in a  'public' arena now that I come to think 
  of it) !
   
  Brenda
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Anne 
Clarke 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:09 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water 
bath preferences

Dear Jenny,
 
Don't get the corner one's get a round one 
without spa as the reserviour is a cleaning nightmare.
 
Ring the Birth Centre on Monday after 1 pm and 
talk to Marg Fien as she ordered the one's in the Birth Centre so she can 
give you the low down on manufacturers, price etc
RegardsAnne ClarkeMidwife
Birth Centre, Brisbane
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Jennifer Price 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 
  12:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water 
  bath preferences
  I was wanting some assistance to find out the 
  best type of baths for our birthing suites.  I am working in rural 
  queensland and we do have severe water restrictions at present and have 
  been hearing a lot about smaller corner baths.  I would love some 
  ideas on costs, manufacturers, and benefits from your experience with 
  tubs.. thanks Jenni*This 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath preferences

2005-09-24 Thread Mary Murphy








We make sure the room and conditions are
very private, warm & cosy (or cool in our hot summer)   Yes, we all have
different experiences.  We all work with what we have to facilitate undisturbed
birthing.  We are all very skilled at it and congratulations to us all. Cheers,
MM

 













How interesting that we all have different views on the pool
suitable for birthing !





 





Does this mean MW as a group are just a contrary bunch ? 



Everyone has their own set of experiences I guess.







 










Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath preferences

2005-09-24 Thread brendamanning



How interesting that we all have 
different views on the pool suitable for birthing !
 
Does this mean MW as a group are 
just a contrary bunch ?
Everyone has their own set of 
experiences I guess.
 
I do agree with Anne about the 
spas being an infection control nightmare  & with Mary about the not 
hitting heads on walls when leaning over the sides, plus space to spread knees, 
but with the larger inbuilt domestic spas seats & ledges can be very 
restful. I too have noticed that the rectangular shape encourages women to lie 
down unless you actively promote hands & knees lengthways in tub & then 
there's not much room for her partner. 
At the homebirths I attend we use 
all sorts & they all work well as long as the water is deep enough, warm 
enough & roomy enough.Paddling pools are great.
 
The concept of a bath/pool in the 
middle of a room & exposed on 3 sides reminds me of being in a fish bowl, 
not somewhere cosy, dark, snug & private to birth in, but open 
to view...yuk !! Unless the room was really small & nesty 
(then it'd be an OH&S problem) it's a bit like being on public display 
& all for the attendants benefit, not the clients. Remember those 
Russian videos of the waterbirths in a transparent tub where the OB "plays" with 
the baby under the water & the mother is almost just an onlooker ? I 
get really angry every time I see that video even though I know they are 
demonstrating a point, I feel he takes over her birth & 'owns her baby' ! 
Rant over !!
 I (can't recall seeing many 
mammals birthing in a  'public' arena now that I come to think of it) 
!
 
Brenda

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Anne Clarke 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:09 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath 
  preferences
  
  Dear Jenny,
   
  Don't get the corner one's get a round one 
  without spa as the reserviour is a cleaning nightmare.
   
  Ring the Birth Centre on Monday after 1 pm and 
  talk to Marg Fien as she ordered the one's in the Birth Centre so she can give 
  you the low down on manufacturers, price etc
  RegardsAnne ClarkeMidwife
  Birth Centre, Brisbane
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Jennifer Price 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:50 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water 
bath preferences
I was wanting some assistance to find out the 
best type of baths for our birthing suites.  I am working in rural 
queensland and we do have severe water restrictions at present and have been 
hearing a lot about smaller corner baths.  I would love some ideas on 
costs, manufacturers, and benefits from your experience with tubs.. thanks 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath preferences

2005-09-24 Thread Anne Clarke



Dear Jenny,
 
Don't get the corner one's get a round one without 
spa as the reserviour is a cleaning nightmare.
 
Ring the Birth Centre on Monday after 1 pm and talk 
to Marg Fien as she ordered the one's in the Birth Centre so she can give you 
the low down on manufacturers, price etc
RegardsAnne ClarkeMidwife
Birth Centre, Brisbane
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Jennifer Price 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:50 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath 
  preferences
  I was wanting some assistance to find out the best 
  type of baths for our birthing suites.  I am working in rural queensland 
  and we do have severe water restrictions at present and have been hearing a 
  lot about smaller corner baths.  I would love some ideas on costs, 
  manufacturers, and benefits from your experience with tubs.. thanks 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath preferences

2005-09-24 Thread Mary Murphy










As a midwife on a homebirth program that
attends 62% water births, I have good knowledge about baths suitable for water
labour and birth.  We have portable, demountable baths that have new
liners for each client.  They are flexible in size, are about 4-5ft radius
and 2 ft high.  (120- 180cm X 60cms)  The flexibility is size is
because we can add or remove the 12mm x 69cms panels.  Women often use
their own in-built ones in their bathrooms.  The 3 corner spa ones are
great IF they have no seats or ledges and are as close to 60cms deep as
possible.  This is because it allows women plenty of space to spread their
legs. The majority of women who use round or triangular tubs choose the spread
knees, kneeling, leaning forward on the sides of the bath position.  Physiologically
this is a marvelous position to labour and birth. I have found the domestic
triangular tubs with good depth to be very suitable.  It is important to
have some section where the woman can lean forward over the edge of the bath
without hitting their head on a wall.   I noticed in the video “art
of Birth”, those women in the more rectangular tubs seemed to have no
option except to lie down or semi- sit.  The FBC at KEMH has a wonderful
tub which is rectangular bath about 1m wide at its narrowest.  It has the
addition of “squat” bars near the taps and a shower head option
which is wonderful for spraying on the back.  Unfortunately, they are not
allowed to do water births, only water labours and “now you have to get
out.” The 2 new baths in the main deliviery suite of KEMH have the more
rectangular baths which are a little bit shallow and encourage the woman into
the lying down postion.  The architects didn’t listen to the
midwives either.  I hope this helps.  Cheers, Mary
 Murphy










RE: [ozmidwifery] hair dye

2005-09-24 Thread Sylvia Boutsalis
Title: Message



thanks 
for the info.  I will pass it on.
 
Sylvia 
Boutsalis
Childbirth Educator
Infant 
Massage Instructor
Adelaide

  
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  PäiviSent: Saturday, 24 September 2005 7:47 AMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hair 
  dye
  Hi!
   
  I have had my hair dyed for more, than 10 years 
  with Sebastian's Color Shine, which is peroxide-free, alcohol-free and 
  ammonia-free, Colourshines uses pure, natural colour pigments that are safely 
  deposited on the hair. It has 17 different shades, which can be mixed also. I 
  use a mixture of three different reds, and love the colour. It is bright, but 
  looks natural. The distributer is Wella, and it is only available in hair 
  salons.
   
  Päivi
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Tania 
Smallwood 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 
11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] hair 
dye


Hi 
Sylvia
 
I am unsure what 
the research says about this one, or if there has been any good quality 
research done…but I have a friend who is a hairdresser, specializes in 
colouring, and her advice to me, (and she took it herself when she had her 
first baby last year) was to avoid the permanent colours, particularly on 
the roots of the hair, for the first trimester, but that semi-permanent 
colours were fine.  They simply coat the hair with a layer of colour, 
rather than penetrating into the hair shaft/follicle/potentially the 
skin.  So perhaps your friend could use a semi for the time being, just 
to be on the safe side.  I think there are some more ‘natural’ hair 
colours out there too, not sure who makes them, and then there is always 
henna.
 
Hope that 
helps
 
Tania
 
 




From: 
owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] 
On Behalf Of Sylvia 
BoutsalisSent: Thursday, 
22 September 2005 5:52 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] hair 
dye
 

hello,

 

can anyone help with this 
enquiry.  A friend of mine is just pregnant.  She dyes her hair 
about every 3 weeks as she has a lot of white hair.  What is the 
viewpoint of hair dye and pregnancy?

 

Thanks in 
advance.

 

Sylvia 
Boutsalis

Childbirth 
Educator

Infant Massage 
Instructor

Adelaide


Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath preferences

2005-09-24 Thread brendamanning




 
Hi Jennifer,
 
I completely agree that sometimes a corner spa 
is pref to a free standing pool esp when you take into account the water 
restrictions etc.
We have a free-standing pool at Rosebud Mid 
& a corner bath. 
Of the 2,  the corner is much cosier, the 
access isn't  a problem for the women, their partners or the midwives 
& we don't have doctors at births.
The pool is big & accessible from 3 sides 
but feels very exposed & open, not good for petite women either as some 
say they feel a bit overwhelmed by the large expanse of water. We use it alot ( 
we do alot of waterbirths at Rosebud ) but the smaller bath was nicer, 
easier to fill, kept hot longer, less water waste, smaller cosier 
room.had quite a few advantages really but is in the middle of the 
post natal ward whereas the pool is in the actual birth suite.
If we were building again, I think we'd do it 
differently that's for sure but access from 3 sides is probably (for better access/OHS thingies), the 
issue if anyone collapses ( which has never happened in 12 years & as I say 
,we do alot of waterbirths). 
A pre-formed spa (our pool is a poured concrete 
shell) would have been a better option, with inset seats, kneeling ledges etc, 
we did try to tell the designers this but as usual 'they' told the midwives we 
didn't know anything & their way was better so we got the concrete 
pool. The ordinary run of the mill domestic spa (no jets) would have been 
cheaper, taken less water, retained the heat, emptied & filled faster ( a 
big consideration in a fast labour), been easy to clean la, la la .
 
I think Rosebud Midwifery Unit sort of 
slips under the radar with the progressive mid they/we practice there 
but often have 17 years of experience in stuff other units are 
only just implementing & could benefit from.
 
If I can be any help with practical hands 
on teaching in the water-birth fields please pass it on, we do run workshops 
& will travel.
I am only too happy to help ( 30 years of 
exp must be useful somewhere).
 
Cheers
Brenda Manning
www.themidwife.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jennifer Price 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:50 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath 
  preferences
  I was wanting some assistance to find out the best 
  type of baths for our birthing suites.  I am working in rural queensland 
  and we do have severe water restrictions at present and have been hearing a 
  lot about smaller corner baths.  I would love some ideas on costs, 
  manufacturers, and benefits from your experience with tubs.. thanks 
  Jenni*This 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: water bath preferences

2005-09-24 Thread Jennifer Price


I 
was wanting some assistance to find out the best type of baths for our birthing 
suites.  I am working in rural queensland and we do have severe water restrictions at present and have been hearing a lot about smaller corner baths.  I would love some ideas on costs, manufacturers, and benefits from 
your experience with tubs.. thanks Jenni

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Fw: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

2005-09-24 Thread Kathy McCarthy-Bushby

- Original Message -
From: "Kathy McCarthy-Bushby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


> Hi Kelly,
> Sounds like a confusing visit with the registrar. But great news of giving
> the woman more time to focus on getting into labour.  Continuing the EPO
> would be a suggestion, vaginal application may be helpful especially if
the
> cervix is closed, although it can be messy, so wearing pads can be
helpful.
> After a period to time of taking EPO, caullophyllum can be used in
> conjunction with EPO (have a look at the birthrites website or phone
contact
> birthrites). Other suggestions are accupressure, sex, clitoral
stimulation,
> orgasm, passionate kisses, nipple stimulation including using a breast
pump
> which can all be done antenatally. Maybe, encouraging the woman to focus
on
> things that help her get out of her head space eg baths, massages, walks
on
> the beach, navel gazing, visualising, drawing or writing being in labour
and
> pushing the baby out, remind her that she can do it, affirmations like i
can
> trust my body and baby will stimulate  labour and i can safely birth my
baby
> and placenta etc The birthrites and cares website has lots of great
> information including other women's vbac birth stories, or does the woman
> know someone who has had a vbac that she can chat to. The other important
> thing to consider is the position of the baby, to encourage an anterior
> position encourage leaning forward positions and spending time on hands
and
> knees 2-3 times a day for 10-20 mnutes etc...
>
> Maybe, in the meantime, chat to staff at Monash about whether they use the
> balloon, known as the ATAD ripener device for labour induction, and if
they
> have skilled personel to insert it if the woman's cervix is still
> unfavourable. It's not unusual for vbac women to go overdue either. But
it's
> good to have a back up plan.
> keep the good work up
> kathy
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?
>
>
> Yesterday was a bit of a flop - had a very questionable registrar who had
no
> history on my client (well hadn't bothered reading which she should have
> being a high risk patient, in more ways than just a VBAC). She had trouble
> finding the cervix and continued on to say it was closed. I asked if it
was
> at least soft and she said yes, but on speaking to my client who
apparently
> checked for herself only hours before, she said it was definitely hard and
> closed - so I am really questioning this registrar who had no idea... My
> client is going public at Monash... Registrar made her another appointment
> for next Friday (11 days post dates) which I thought was good in that they
> are giving her the opportunity to go into spontaneous labour - but we had
to
> ask her several times for a scan to check placenta function / fluid since
> she was going overdue ('no, you had one at 19 weeks you don't need anymore
> for a pregnancy - how about some monitoring?') - to which we reminded her
> that in her last pregnancy, the umbilical cord fell off the placenta as
baby
> was born via caesar... *argh* - it was a complete nightmare for poor mum
and
> me to listen to it! She said yes about a balloon induction but then said
no
> they don't have the skills to do it - very confusing - it was like she had
> no idea what was going on. So mum is freaking out, will be going for more
> monitoring and a scan on Tuesday morning to which mum is more relieved to
> get confirmation of the placenta and fluid being okay. I think if this
> registrar turns up when mum is in labour, she will have a heart attack. If
> she makes it to Friday, she has an appointment with the consultant, so
> she'll get more sense out of it... I really hope she can hang in there.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kelly Zantey
> Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
> Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
> Australian Little Tikes Specialists
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy
> McCarthy-Bushby
> Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2005 9:33 PM
> To: Ozmidwifery
> Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kathy McCarthy-Bushby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?
>
>
> > Hi Kelly,
> > The balloon can be used for any primip or multip with an unripe cervix
> with
> > baby in a cephalic position. The balloon seems to be far safer with
> > far
> less
> > side effects than the prostaglandin gel (which of course can not be
> > used
> in
> > vbac women). I have also seen the balloon used in women planning a
> > vbac after 1 and 2 c/s with success. O

RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCVic] Castlemaine update

2005-09-24 Thread Nicole Carver



Dear 
Ellie,
Congratulations on both fronts! That is wonderful news. You have really 
put in a lot of effort on behalf of Castlemaine women, and news of your 
pregnancy is very exciting.
Nicole 
Carver.