Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns and emotional response, especially when we are in challenging situations and labour is one of the most challenging. If the woman can be helped to change her focus and attention from pain or 'wanting it over' , this change can make big shifts in the electrical and chemical messages in her neurology which then automatically alters how her body responds and acts. Saying over and over again and getting emotional about aspects such as I welcome my baby, I'm a strong and powerful woman. I let go, my baby's coming etc changes the woman's neurology and the emotional code from impatience to one that facilitates birth. Deep relaxation and communication with the
RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns and emotional response, especially when we are in challenging situations and labour is one of the most challenging. If the woman can be helped to change her focus and attention from pain or
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory
Hi Kelly, I am a doula in WA (north west)...can I add myself to your list? Thanks Kristin. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology
RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an
[ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be
RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Wow! Have just read all the other responses to this question and am quite amazed - in most hospital situations all that would be thought of would be an epidural to lessen sensation! :-) Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Herbal tea for swelling in pregnancy
The name of it has lost me, I remember there being a herbal tea you can drink in pregnancy to help with fluid retention currently supporting a woman who has been checked out for PE and all is fine, but she has swelling in her face and would like to know anything she can do to help. Thanks in advance! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Interesting article on proposed increased medicare funding for nurses
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20876,18787989-28737,00.html Healing hand extendedAllowing nurses to perform tasks now handled by doctors would save money, but it is likely to be fiercely resisted by the medical profession, write Adam Cresswell and Patricia Karvelas April 12, 2006 AFTER 19 years as a nurse at the same medical clinic in Melbourne, Ann Salmons has immunised babies who have come back to her as 18-year-olds to be vaccinated before they go on their first overseas holiday. Faces such as Salmons's may soon become more familiar in doctors' surgeries, following news the federal Government is keen to expand their role. As The Australian reported yesterday, federal Health Minister Tony Abbott proposes to lift the limitation on what practice nurses can do under Medicare. Details about other tasks they may be allowed to perform are yet to emerge. Abbott said yesterday there "are all sorts of things which nurses could conceivably do". "They could perform more health checks for patients, they could perform more follow-up work for patients under care plans, and so on," he said. Medical and nursing organisations say likely tasks include suturing wounds (as well as dressing them, as at present), taking patient histories and measurements, administering certain tests such as for lung function, blood pressure and blood clotting ability, and providing a wide range of advice and support. The latter role may include advising new mothers about breastfeeding techniques and on how to get young babies to sleep, as well as asthma and diabetes education. Salmons, who works at the East Bentleigh Medical Group clinic in Melbourne, says she is relieved by Abbott's plan. "It is a good area to work in," she says. "You're out there in the community, but it is a lot more rewarding: you follow up with your patients and with children; you see them grow up. I've got patients that I vaccinated as babies getting vaccinated to go overseas as adults." NURSES AND DOCTORS Practice nurses Average earnings: $23 to $25 an hour (about $48,000 a year full time). No specific certification or requirements. It is up to employing GPs to satisfy themselves nurses have the required skills. Registered nurses and enrolled nurses can work as practice nurses. Most states require enrolled nurses to be supervised by registered nurses, so the former make up only 6 per cent of GP nurses. Registered nurses complete a three-year bachelor of nursing course that covers anatomy, chemistry and physics, drugs, side effects, bacteria, basic infectious diseases and prevention. The course looks at specific contexts, such as caring for children, the elderly, the mentally ill and patients with specific needs, such as those being treated for heart failure as opposed to those recovering from surgery. General practitioners Average earnings: Estimates vary but Australian Taxation Office data from 2002, released in 2004, puts average GP earnings at $212,833 before tax and practice costs (which can be up to 50 per cent). Medical students wishing to be GPs must complete a basic medical degree, which ranges from four to six years, depending on which university is chosen and whether the course is undergraduate or postgraduate. After the degree is awarded, the doctor has to spend one or two years as an intern in a public hospital before applying for one of the 650 places in the GP training scheme. GP training lasts three years for those intending to work in the city and four years for those aiming to be rural GPs (who often need to be able to give anaesthetics and deliver babies). Salmons is in the vanguard of change: for the past six years she's been conducting health assessments in the homes of people over 75. "Every day I do wound management and immunisations, I assist doctors doing surgical procedures," she says. "I also do education for asthma, diabetes and heart disease." Salmons says it is a team effort in her practice. "It is a collaboration, we work in a team. If a patient comes in with five different problems, the GP can handball things like asthma education, all vaccines, all immunisations, all wounds, to me. "Because the GP doesn't have time to do that in 15 minutes, there's a role for us." The Australian Nursing Federation's national secretary Jill Iliffe says the proposed change makes sense. "There's such a wide range of things that nurses can do to help improve the health of a community in general medical practice," she says. Iliffe also believes the expansion will improve job satisfaction for nurses: "The partnership between doctors and
Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Nic and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
whoever you enjoy i have been with women who have played heavy metal as that is what they like and others who have brought classical. i think it is a very individualized choice. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] PPH C/S
I found this on the internet (a herbal tea company website, specialising in pregnancy) - which might be of interest; I have passed it onto the woman as well: Alfalfa, with its deep root system, contains many essential nutrients including trace minerals, chlorophyll and vitamin K, a nutrient necessary for blood clotting. Many midwives advise drinking mild tasting alfalfa tea or taking alfalfa tablets during the last trimester of pregnancy to decrease postpartum bleeding or chance of hemorrhaging. Alfalfa also increases breast milk, as alfalfa hay is fed daily to milking goats and other dairy animals. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Monday, 3 April 2006 10:03 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] PPH C/S Its all about what she wants and is prepared to do to get it. very true I say this a lot lately! - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] PPH C/S the things is that if her babies are that big imagine how big her placentas are, probably the size of a dinner plate instead of a bread and butter plate. It makes sense that a large placental site will bleed more than a little one but its whether the woman is symptomatic or not that matters. If she does not cope with the amount of blood she lost then it is an issue and she needs to look at alternatives rather than go inyo it and just let the same thing happen again like the proverbial ostrich. If it is just that the doctor is uncomfortable with the blood loss but she is physiologically fine then find another care giver and save him the grey hair. Its all about what she wants and is prepared to do to get it. Andrea Quanchi On 03/04/2006, at 10:14 AM, Robyn Dempsey wrote: I feel that if this woman has had such large babies, what a wonderful pelvis she must have! Good on her! Rather than promoting a c-section, perhaps look at her diet...does she just grow big bubs, or does she over indulge in the sugary foods? If PPH is the worry, perhaps a discussion around a managed 3rd stage, or syntocinon if there are any signs of excessive bleeding. I've had many women with large babies, doesn't mean they will have a PPH, simply that they grow bigger bubs, and have a pelvis to fit them thru. Cheers Robyn D - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: 01 April, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] PPH C/S Hello all, A woman on my forums has had two normal births of big babies 11lb3oz and 13lb5oz and had a PPH with both. Her Ob is now recommending a c/s with her third bub and wants a scan at 34 weeks as a deciding factor of this. She wants a normal birth is it okay just for her to say no without too much risk with PPH? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
My favourite is Mariner from Tony O'Connor. You can listen to it at http://www.tonyoconnor.com.au/catalogue/cds.htm. This is a wonderfull relaxation cd, but also has a personal meaning for me, which always makes it more special : ) Paivi - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
On a very personal note - I used the soundtrack from the movie The Piano for my first vbac homebirth baby and I found it really good music for labouring- kind of repetitive and hypnotic, but in a good way. The next labour I also used one of those relaxation cd's that was sea themed ie lots of waves and water noises - I think they are Tony Connor or O'Connor - the rainforest one is nice too! Maxine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 10:16 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
How strange - my daughter was born to Tony O'Connor - Rainforest. Sounds like he's a popular birth choice, but I agree that it's whatever does it for you - some of the music my clients have chosen has not been to my taste, or IMO suitable to the birthing mood, but it was their choice, not mine. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music On a very personal note - I used the soundtrack from the movie The Piano for my first vbac homebirth baby and I found it really good music for labouring- kind of repetitive and hypnotic, but in a good way. The next labour I also used one of those relaxation cd's that was sea themed ie lots of waves and water noises - I think they are Tony Connor or O'Connor - the rainforest one is nice too! Maxine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 10:16 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix
Hi, Does anyone still have the link that was on Ozmidwifery recently about feeling for your own cervix? I thought I'd saved it - but I hadn't. Thanks, Sadie
Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
Thankyou Nicole - the person who this info is for doesn't want to do nursing as well as Mid... perhaps in a few years? Jo On 12/04/2006, at 5:06 PM, Nic and Dale wrote: Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/ pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
Hi Katrina, I used Jack Johnson for the start of mine when I was trying to chill out and work out if this was 'it'. Jo On 12/04/2006, at 8:16 PM, Ceri Katrina wrote: Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fw: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains
Jo - was this the post you wanted? Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains This is a small handout by Gloria Lemay (thanks Gloria) I give to clients about self checking. jo Self-Checking of Dilation and Descent From: Childbirth Quotes from Gloria Lemay http://www.birthlove.com/pages/gloria/quotes.html How to Check Your Own Cervix- it's not rocket science I think it's a good and empowering thing for a woman to check her own cervix for dilation. This is not rocket science, and you hardly need a medical degree or years of training to do it. Your vagina is a lot like your nose- other people may do harm if they put fingers or instruments up there but you have a greater sensitivity and will not do yourself any harm. The best way to do it when hugely pregnant is to sit on the toilet with one foot on the floor and one up on the seat of the toilet. Put two fingers in and go back towards your bum. The cervix in a pregnant woman feels like your lips puckered up into a kiss. On a non-pregnant woman it feels like the end of your nose. When it is dilating, one finger slips into the middle of the cervix easily (just like you could slide your finger into your mouth easily if you are puckered up for a kiss). As the dilation progresses the inside of that hole becomes more like a taught elastic band and by 5 cms dilated (5 fingerwidths) it is a perfect rubbery circle like one of those Mason jar rings that you use for canning, and about that thick. What's in the centre of that opening space is the membranes (bag of waters) that are covering the baby's head and feel like a latex balloon filled with water. If you push on them a bit you'll feel the baby's head like a hard ball (as in baseball). If the waters have released you'll feel the babe's head directly. It is time for women to take back ownership of their bodies. -Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC http://www.glorialemay.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 7:22 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains A bright lovely good morning to you all, In all of my groups, after fully explaining informed choice, I explain that there are three options for the women when choosing the way she would like to birth her placenta: 1. medically managed with an injection given into the thigh which will induce an artificially strong contraction to hasten the expulsion of the placenta and reduce excessive blood loss and this would be very appropriate for someone who is high risk for example; a smoker, a woman who drank alcohol very regularly throughout the later part of pregnancy, an anemic woman, those who have already had medical intervention such as an epidural, induction, etc. 2. to decline the injection 3. to take the wait and see approach... explaining to the midwife at the time (and write in the birth plan so partner understands... I would prefer to avoid the injection as a routine injection, preferring instead to hold my baby at my breast, to naturally stimulate oxytocin to expel my placenta, but am prepared to receive the injection if it is medically necessary for a big bleed I also explain the normal blood loss is 300 to 500 mls of blood and an excessive blood loss would be 600mls+ which would require an injection. There are three injections which are available for a pph or big bleed and they are Syntocinon, syntometrine and ergometrine, each one increasing in intensity and side effects such as nausea. I then simply explain that most women describe a normal physiological third stage as mild period pain, however usually this pain will increase with each subsequent baby and/or with medical intervention. As for after pains over the next 24-48 hours I am always careful to point out that this is normal and women are less likely to be overly concerned about it when they are very familiar with the very positive fact that it is the uterus returning back down to it's normal size... and that this is a very good thing and it is what a woman wants. It seems to me that with good strong positive reinforcement women recognise the benefits of normality - and keeping birth as normal as possible. I feel completely comfortable in emphasizing normality as the best, safest, and worth striving towards compared to routine or encouraged by friends (epidural), medical intervention. Warm hug to all, Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood
Re: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix
Sorry - I reposted it but put Jo instead of Sadie "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Sadie To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix Hi, Does anyone still have the link that was on Ozmidwifery recently about feeling for your own cervix? I thought I'd saved it - but I hadn't. Thanks, Sadie No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix
Thanks Sue - I'll wait for it to come through. How are you doing at Swans? KEMH is manic - days go quick :) Cheers, Sadie - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix Sorry - I reposted it but put Jo instead of Sadie "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Sadie To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix Hi, Does anyone still have the link that was on Ozmidwifery recently about feeling for your own cervix? I thought I'd saved it - but I hadn't. Thanks, Sadie No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix
I dont have the web site bit saved it onto my computer. It was from Gloria Lemay so may be on her website - AQHow to Check Your Own Cervix- "it's not rocket science" Self-Checking of Dilation and Descent"I think it's a good and empowering thing for a woman to check her own cervix for dilation. This is not rocket science, and you hardly need a medical degree or years of training to do it. Your vagina is a lot like your nose- other people may do harm if they put fingers or instruments up there but you have a greater sensitivity and will not do yourself any harm. "The best way to do it when hugely pregnant is to sit on the toilet with one foot on the floor and one up on the seat of the toilet. Put two fingers in and go back towards your bum. The cervix in a pregnant woman feels like your lips puckered up into a kiss. On a non-pregnant woman it feels like the end of your nose. When it is dilating, one finger slips into the mid dle of the cervix easily (just like you could slide your finger into your mouth easily if you are puckered up for a kiss). As the dilation progresses the inside of that hole becomes more like a taught elastic band and by 5 cms dilated (5 fingerwidths) it is a perfect rubbery circle like one of those Mason jar rings that you use for canning, and about that thick. "What's in the centre of that opening space is the membranes (bag of waters) that are covering the baby's head and feel like a latex balloon filled with water. If you push on them a bit you'll feel the baby's head like a hard ball (as in baseball). If the waters have released you'll feel the babe's head directly.On 13/04/2006, at 12:11 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:Sorry - I reposted it but put Jo instead of Sadie "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke- Original Message -From: SadieTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:48 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix Hi,Does anyone still have the link that was on Ozmidwifery recently about feeling for your own cervix? I thought I'd saved it - but I hadn't. Thanks, SadieNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
Title: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music I listened to Sinead O'Connor's album of old Irish songs (album is called Sean nos Nua) during my sons birth-over and over. It really resonated with me because she sings about mother earth, women, babies and the power in those things.I loved it and it buoyed me when I needed it. Personally speaking- I think it is especially useful to listen to music that a woman is familiar with as it already has meaning for her, and if she has listened to it her babe may be comforted by the familiar tunes/sounds. Amy
Re: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix
Hi Sadie Good - getting busier, clinic wasfull ontoday - easter : extra clinics. How are you? No longer tutoring? sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Sadie To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix Thanks Sue - I'll wait for it to come through. How are you doing at Swans? KEMH is manic - days go quick :) Cheers, Sadie - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix Sorry - I reposted it but put Jo instead of Sadie "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Sadie To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Feeling your own cervix Hi, Does anyone still have the link that was on Ozmidwifery recently about feeling for your own cervix? I thought I'd saved it - but I hadn't. Thanks, Sadie No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
Hi Sharon, Where are you doing your nursing? I have done three year mid also. reg, elizabeth - Original Message - From: sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Nic and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
My thoughts exactly, Miriam.;-) and a big hug to you Carolyn Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: safetsleep international [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns and emotional response, especially when we are in challenging situations and labour is one of the most challenging. If the woman can be helped to change her focus and attention from pain or 'wanting it over' , this change can make big shifts in the electrical and chemical messages in her neurology which then automatically alters how her body responds and acts. Saying over and over
Re: [ozmidwifery] Herbal tea for swelling in pregnancy
Kaz Cooke talks about using Dandelion leaf tea in Up the Duff. Lots of trips to the loo though. Other option is lots of water to flush system out. - Original Message From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Herbal tea for swelling in pregnancy Date: 13/04/2006 00:01 The name of it has lost me, I remember there being a herbal tea you can drink in pregnancy to help with fluid retention#8230; currently supporting a woman who has been checked out for PE and all is fine, but she has swelling in her face and would like to know anything she can do to help. Thanks in advance! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly..com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support nbsp; Dodo - an Official Sponsor of the 2006 FORMULA 1 (tm) Foster's Australian Grand Prix -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
Hi Katrina I think I have heard just about every type of music there is as I have journeyed with women as they work to give birth. You name it - opera, grunge, rock 'n' roll, atmospheric, Gregorian chant, lots of women's music, music with and without voice, world music, straight percussion - even Cherie Baby, Won't You Come Out Tonight (which was not intended to be a pun at the time but had us all in stitches (wonderful home birth). I have even been present where as the famiy's tradition had it, that the forst generation baby was piped in by a lone piper (in hospital), another where the baby was drummed in by three women who softly played their djembes, and another where the baby was 'didged' in (again in hospital) - gave me huge goosebumps. One thing I have noted, though, is that women late in their birthwork, often do not want any sound (including music) much at all as they move into that space, where they need to go. Also, I suggest to women to bring in a special CD with lots of funky rhythm in case she needs to do some serious wiggling and moving - real get down and boogie stuff for those moments when a woman is finding it hard to bring her baby down. I ahve even been asked by a woman (her birth wishes) to sing Helen Reddy's I Am Woman to her if she asked when things were tough. Wellshe asked me, I did and she said it was just what she needed - lots of laughs afterwards :-) Hope this helps - Lynne - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
Hi Katrina, I have a great bob marley instrumental, ambient sounds one that people like cause its something familiar, and that reggae beat gets the hips swaying. Also like Tracey Champam, and Crowded House. Have a little Miles Davis jazz number if we need a bit of a wake up. Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
thanks everyone for the info so far. My music collection is extremely eclectic, having a opera singer for an husband does that! I too have had been with birthing women who have listened to all sorts of music, all of which was what they needed and wanted. Lynne I loved your story about the I am woman! song. :-) Katrina (who is thouroughly enjoying her time off from work) Ceri Aubrey 36 Bentley Road Narara NSW 2250 PH: (02)43292008 Mob: 0407600178 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 13/04/2006, at 8:11 AM, Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Katrina I think I have heard just about every type of music there is as I have journeyed with women as they work to give birth. You name it - opera, grunge, rock 'n' roll, atmospheric, Gregorian chant, lots of women's music, music with and without voice, world music, straight percussion - even Cherie Baby, Won't You Come Out Tonight (which was not intended to be a pun at the time but had us all in stitches (wonderful home birth). I have even been present where as the famiy's tradition had it, that the forst generation baby was piped in by a lone piper (in hospital), another where the baby was drummed in by three women who softly played their djembes, and another where the baby was 'didged' in (again in hospital) - gave me huge goosebumps. One thing I have noted, though, is that women late in their birthwork, often do not want any sound (including music) much at all as they move into that space, where they need to go. Also, I suggest to women to bring in a special CD with lots of funky rhythm in case she needs to do some serious wiggling and moving - real get down and boogie stuff for those moments when a woman is finding it hard to bring her baby down. I ahve even been asked by a woman (her birth wishes) to sing Helen Reddy's I Am Woman to her if she asked when things were tough. Wellshe asked me, I did and she said it was just what she needed - lots of laughs afterwards :-) Hope this helps - Lynne - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Hospital situations
Dear Midwives, I work in a small rural hospital as a midwife/RN for 34 years and we certainly offer many of the suggestions that have been mentioned. Please remember that midwives in hospitals are midwives just as you are with the mothers best interests In their hearts. in most hospital situations all that would be thought of would be an epidural to lessen sensation! :-) Sue Good births do happen in hospitals. Regards, Barbara
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Where I work, we offer position changes, walking, the shower, the bath if available, hands and knees, rocking etc etc all before the epidural is suggested. Even though it is in hospital we still try to make it as women centred as we can, after all we are all there for the woman and the family unit. Katrina On 12/04/2006, at 9:23 PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: Wow! Have just read all the other responses to this question and am quite amazed - in most hospital situations all that would be thought of would be an epidural to lessen sensation! :-) Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory
Absolutely, its open to everyone! I have even had requests for NZ Doulas so I think I will have to make a page for them too!!! Please send your details as per the questions http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-attendant-locator and feel free to pass onto any Doulas you know. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory Hi Kelly, I am a doula in WA (north west)...can I add myself to your list? Thanks Kristin. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
Title: Message Hi Nic, How is Krystal and her bub? What is the story with the heart prob? Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Nicola Morley To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Hi Kelly, I supported a sexual abuse survivor in labour just a few days ago. The biggest issue with this woman was VEs and we worked with the hospital staff to keep them to an absolute minimum and made sure they were not done by a male doctor. The best climate for her would have been the low intervention birth unit (where VEs are not done routinely) but unfortuntaely her waters broke and were moderately meconium stained so she was transferred to the hospital, then due to sudden drop of baby's heartrate she ended up with an emergency caesar which was very traumatic for her as everything was totally out of her control. She had a lot of fears regarding vaginal birth and the sensations and associated strong negative feelings it might arouse for her. These fears were possibly responsible for very slow progress of early labour leading to distressed baby, etc, although the baby is still in speciall care nursery with some heart issues so quite possibly the heart rate issues in labour are part of that. Some websites which were shared with me which are helpful: http://www.gentlebirth.org/Midwife/abuselbr.html http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk/abuse2002.htm http://www.dvirc.org.au/HelpHub/PregnancySexualAbuse.htm Breastfeeding is also causing issues for her for the same reasons of previous abuse. I think she would cope OK if he just latched on and sucked, but he is struggling with latching on and not showing much interest and she can't cope with all the nuzzling. HTH Nicola Morley Doula (hooray - that was my final qualifying birth, so I am officially no longer and "trainee"!) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:32 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Just wondering if anyone has any tips on working with women who have been involved with sexual assault? Loaded birth she also lost her mother recently so trying to get lots of tips and suggestions shes feeling fearful of interventions and is due soon. The hospital recommended she get extra support so she contacted me. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] article FYI
New Guidelines Call for Restricted Use of Episiotomies Reuters Health Information 2006. © 2006 Reuters Ltd. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of the Reuters group of companies around the world. NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Mar 31 - Episiotomies should not be performed on a routine basis, but there are situations where the procedure is indicated, according to new practice guidelines by The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). Episiotomy has become one of the most commonly performed obstetrical procedures: roughly a third of women with a vaginal birth in 2000 had an episiotomy. The purported benefits include a reduced risk of perineal trauma and incontinence for the mother and a shortened second stage of labor for the fetus. However, data actually supporting these outcomes is lacking. In reviewing the literature on episiotomies, Dr. John T. Repke and colleagues, from ACOG, found that the procedure generally did not make labor, delivery, and recovery easier for the mother. Moreover, episiotomy is associated with important and, probably underestimated, risks, such as extension into a third- or fourth-degree tear, anal sphincter dysfunction, and dyspareunia. Still, the guidelines, which appear in the April issue of Obstetrics Gynecology, note there are situations where episiotomy may be appropriate, such as to prevent a severe maternal laceration or to expedite a difficult delivery. Based on good and consistent scientific evidence (level A), the guidelines: --Recommend restricted, rather than routine, use of episiotomy. --Note a lower risk of anal sphincter injury with mediolateral episiotomy versus median episiotomy. Based on limited or inconsistent scientific evidence (level B), the guidelines: --Suggest that mediolateral episiotomy may be preferably to the median approach in selected cases. --Emphasize that routine episiotomy does not prevent incontinence related to pelvic floor damage. In the case of episiotomy, as with all medical and surgical therapies, we need to continually evaluate what we do and make appropriate changes based on the best and most current evidence available, Dr. Repke said in a statement. We should avoid the pitfall of letting anything in medicine become 'routine' and therefore, outside the realm of review and critical analysis. Obstet Gynecol 2006;107:957-960. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
Title: Message Sorry, should have been off list! - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Hi Nic, How is Krystal and her bub? What is the story with the heart prob? Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Nicola Morley To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Hi Kelly, I supported a sexual abuse survivor in labour just a few days ago. The biggest issue with this woman was VEs and we worked with the hospital staff to keep them to an absolute minimum and made sure they were not done by a male doctor. The best climate for her would have been the low intervention birth unit (where VEs are not done routinely) but unfortuntaely her waters broke and were moderately meconium stained so she was transferred to the hospital, then due to sudden drop of baby's heartrate she ended up with an emergency caesar which was very traumatic for her as everything was totally out of her control. She had a lot of fears regarding vaginal birth and the sensations and associated strong negative feelings it might arouse for her. These fears were possibly responsible for very slow progress of early labour leading to distressed baby, etc, although the baby is still in speciall care nursery with some heart issues so quite possibly the heart rate issues in labour are part of that. Some websites which were shared with me which are helpful: http://www.gentlebirth.org/Midwife/abuselbr.html http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk/abuse2002.htm http://www.dvirc.org.au/HelpHub/PregnancySexualAbuse.htm Breastfeeding is also causing issues for her for the same reasons of previous abuse. I think she would cope OK if he just latched on and sucked, but he is struggling with latching on and not showing much interest and she can't cope with all the nuzzling. HTH Nicola Morley Doula (hooray - that was my final qualifying birth, so I am officially no longer and "trainee"!) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:32 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Just wondering if anyone has any tips on working with women who have been involved with sexual assault? Loaded birth she also lost her mother recently so trying to get lots of tips and suggestions shes feeling fearful of interventions and is due soon. The hospital recommended she get extra support so she contacted me. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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Epidural Anesthesia With Low-Dose Oxytocin May Increase Cesareans Reuters Health Information 2006. © 2006 Reuters Ltd. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of the Reuters group of companies around the world. NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 04 - Epidural anesthesia during labor, plus low-dose oxytocin treatment, which is usually used in most large North American obstetric units, may increase the likelihood of cesarean section, according to Canadian researchers. Most of the research has focused on the use of high-dose oxytocin, not on the low-dose protocol. The bottom line, lead investigator Dr. Andrew J. Kotaska told Reuters Health, is that epidural analgesia gives great pain relief but...it has undesired effects as well. Researchers, he added, noticed over a decade ago that aggressive detection of dystocia and treatment with high-dose oxytocin are required to offset the slowing effect of epidurals on labor, but the message has not gotten out to practicing clinicians or the public. Dr. Kotaska and colleagues at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver examined data from eight randomized trials involving more than 3500 women. These trials compared opioid and epidural anesthesia. Seven of the trials used a high-dose oxytocin protocol and none showed an increase in cesarean section in those given epidural anesthesia, the researchers report in the March issue of the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology. However, the remaining trial included only 93 women and employed low-dose oxytocin, demonstrated a significant increase in cesarean section in the epidural group. The rate in the opioid group was 2% versus 25% in the epidural group. Because of the large difference in cesarean section rate, the trial was stopped. These data are limited, but most large North American obstetric units use low-dose oxytocin continued Dr. Kotaska, and women and their physicians across North America are choosing epidural analgesia in low-dose oxytocin settings thinking that they will not increase the likelihood of C-section. Our study, he concluded, highlights that the evidence they are basing this assumption on is not valid in most contemporary North American practice settings. Women should certainly have access to epidural analgesia, but also access to accurate information about its undesired effects. Am J Obstet Gynecol 2006;194:809-814. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
Yes yes yes! To what Abby said! My first experience of rape was from an obstetrician and I'm so not alone with that. J - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Hi Kelly, You can contact Natalie Dash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nat has supported quite a few women with an abusive history. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but it is important to recognise that some women experience sexual abuse for the first time while birthing. ie. an ob or midwife demands to do a VE while the woman is adimantly opposed or an episiotomy is performed while a woman and her partner are saying NO! or, as in with my first birth, being held down by a midwife and ob while he shoved his hand inside me and made rude remarks how I was not cooperating! More and more sexual assault is happening in birthing units and it needs t be addressed. 'NO MEANS NO' no matter what your proffession. Just because it's in a hospital or because it's an OB, doesn't mean it's okay. I would like to read more about this but am heading away for a week. I'll look forward to catching up with others advice when I get back. Love Abby Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any tips on working with women who have been involved with sexual assault? Loaded birth - she also lost her mother recently - so trying to get lots of tips and suggestions. she's feeling fearful of interventions and is due soon. The hospital recommended she get extra support so she contacted me. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Hospital situations
'Good births do happen in hospitals. Regards, Barbara' Very true barbara - thankfully! But its good to hear all these other bits of midwife wisdom Sue (also hospital midwife) "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Barbara Stokes To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:08 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Hospital situations Dear Midwives, I work in a small rural hospital as a midwife/RN for 34 years and we certainly offer many of the suggestions that have been mentioned. Please remember that midwives in hospitals are midwives just as you are with the mothers best interests In their hearts. in most hospital situations all that would be thought of would be an epidural to lessen sensation! :-) Sue Good births do happen in hospitals. Regards, Barbara No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
unis sa city east - Original Message - From: ELIZABETH KOSZTYI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa Hi Sharon, Where are you doing your nursing? I have done three year mid also. reg, elizabeth - Original Message - From: sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Nic and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards
[ozmidwifery] Margie Perkins
Margie, can you please contact me off list? Cheers Jo Bainbridge -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release Date: 4/7/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
