[ozmidwifery] Concerns over heart rate
Hope that someone can help me out here please. One of my friends is 35 weeks, with her 3rd baby. 2 weeks ago, the hospital was concerned about her baby being too big, last week they told her that her dates were out and that she is infact 2 weeks ahead of her dates. Then yesterday, she was getting very regular Braxton hicks and went into hospital for a check over. (She is the kind of mum that wants an epidural as soon as possible) Firstly, she feels the baby is great, she feels healthy and feels the baby is well. The monitor, last night showed a constant heart rate of 140. That was for an hour. The Dr came round and told her she would be delivering that night. A midwife then did an internal and said that the cervix was soft, but no concerns, so would be able to go home(can you see how the confusion starts) They returned today for a repeat monitor, and stayed on for2 hours, and as the baby moved around, the rate remained steady at 140. (No Braxton Hicks today) A sonographer was called in, scanned her, told her she was def at 35 weeks and that the baby was well, but would only give the baby marks 8 of 10, because they expect to see the heart rate change as the baby moves. Sorry this is long winded, she has been asked to go back in tomorrow for more monitoring and to see the registrars. She doesn't know if its a genuine concern, she doesn't know if her baby is abnormal (which is what she thinks she is being told) or if the hospital are just being overcautious. Any ideas?? On behalf of a very stressed mummy. Lisax Elbert Hubbard: "The object of teaching a child is to enable him to get along without a teacher."
Re: [ozmidwifery] NZ stats
Hi Andrea, Unless the System has changed significantly since I worked in it all women in Britain get midwifery care in the antenatal period and postnatal period and every woman is looked after by a midwife during her labour. I am working as an independent midwife in South Australia where the Normal birth rate at the WCH was 58% in 2004. ( section rate 31%) and the largest private hospital section rate 49+% (normal birth rate 34%). You can make all the complaints under the sun about systems around the world but be very hard pushed to find anything this bad. Even though the UK system is far from good (and not as good as it was when I started 20 odd years ago) it is 100% better than the systems in place in South Australia. Northern Women's project aside. The attitude to Independent midwifery in UK is not great but here most of the time I feel like I have a deformity of some kind. The daily grind of getting choice for women is unreal and the constant barrage of insults and judgements on my practice, which I can assure you is evidence based and unbiased is ridiculous. Even getting a blood test done here requires not only great feminine guile a total ability to suck up to anyone who will help but to almost humiliate yourself and beg as well. I don't let this stop me referring women who need help or access to some if not all the system has to offer but I never had to do this in the UK not even once. The other thing in the UK is that you don't have to look too hard to find support and agreement with other midwives. Here finding midwifery support can be like pulling teeth. Obviously that is a blanket statement before you all go mad I am just making a comparison. Lisa - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NZ stats Hi Pauline, As I understand it, those that don't go to a midwife end up with a doctor (usually an obstetrician) and the NZ caesarean rate is over 20%. It looks like you have either either a midwife or a caesarean in NZ. Simple choice! Regards Andrea currently in the UK where 68% of women have midwifery care and almost all the rest have a caesarean section (the UK current stats are very similar to OZ, and yet they only have 3% private obstetric care compared to almost 40% in OZ. ?). At 11:31 PM 6/07/2006, you wrote: I'm a mid student and a kiwi. At present in NZ 78% of women choose a midwife as their lead maternity carer. It's nice to know that it is possible, when the choice is there. Pauline Moore WA -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Cord Blood Donation
I have been away from my computer, so a bit of a time lag with this posting. I have previously collected cord blood for storage and was told it had to be as much of the blood as possible, the more the better. As I routinely practice physiological 3rd stage,(average 30 mins) there is hardly any blood left to collect when it is expelled by maternal effort as it has all gone to the baby (where I believe it belongs). I am assuming this would not be enough blood for storage even if removed from the placental vessels by syringe. What kind of physiological 3rd stage would have enough blood left? MM I also have done cord blood collection after a physiological third stage. And they have also been done after C/S. Maureen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Cord Blood Donation
If you have a copy of Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering by Sarah J Buckley there is some interesting words on cord blood banking on page 195. For instance, the likelihood of low-risk children needing their own stored cells has been estimated at 1 in 20, and cord blood donations are likely to be ineffective for the treatment of adults... and private companies may not have the storage standards neccessary to ensure prolonged viability of stem cells. Public banks report that cord blood can be stored for 15-20 years. and ...at least 13,600 cord blood units have been stored in private blood banks since 1998, but only seven autologous units have been used, and another 16 have been used for sibling transplants, some of which may have been specifically set up after an older sibling developed a disorder treatable with cord blood Makes you think, hey? J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Cord Blood Donation I have been away from my computer, so a bit of a time lag with this posting. I have previously collected cord blood for storage and was told it had to be as much of the blood as possible, the more the better. As I routinely practice physiological 3rd stage,(average 30 mins) there is hardly any blood left to collect when it is expelled by maternal effort as it has all gone to the baby (where I believe it belongs). I am assuming this would not be enough blood for storage even if removed from the placental vessels by syringe. What kind of physiological 3rd stage would have enough blood left? MM I also have done cord blood collection after a physiological third stage. And they have also been done after C/S. Maureen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Concerns over heart rate
i guess the reason why they want a repeat monitor is to get some accerlerations in the trace to show that the baby's heart rate is what they call reactive. i guess in the hospitals point of view is that they need to be overcautious for the sake of the baby and the mum. cheers - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Concerns over heart rate Hope that someone can help me out here please. One of my friends is 35 weeks, with her 3rd baby. 2 weeks ago, the hospital was concerned about her baby being too big, last week they told her that her dates were out and that she is infact 2 weeks ahead of her dates. Then yesterday, she was getting very regular Braxton hicks and went into hospital for a check over. (She is the kind of mum that wants an epidural as soon as possible) Firstly, she feels the baby is great, she feels healthy and feels the baby is well. The monitor, last night showed a constant heart rate of 140. That was for an hour. The Dr came round and told her she would be delivering that night. A midwife then did an internal and said that the cervix was soft, but no concerns, so would be able to go home(can you see how the confusion starts) They returned today for a repeat monitor, and stayed on for2 hours, and as the baby moved around, the rate remained steady at 140. (No Braxton Hicks today) A sonographer was called in, scanned her, told her she was def at 35 weeks and that the baby was well, but would only give the baby marks 8 of 10, because they expect to see the heart rate change as the baby moves. Sorry this is long winded, she has been asked to go back in tomorrow for more monitoring and to see the registrars. She doesn't know if its a genuine concern, she doesn't know if her baby is abnormal (which is what she thinks she is being told) or if the hospital are just being overcautious. Any ideas?? On behalf of a very stressed mummy. Lisax Elbert Hubbard: "The object of teaching a child is to enable him to get along without a teacher." No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/07/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???
I try really hard to be careful with my wording! But still, it seems to take a while for replies to go through (sometimes if at all!). I do notice that the yahoo groups go through so quickly, often instantly, perhaps you could change to a Yahoo group instead, import all the email addresses in? It would require less maintenance too perhaps? This appears to be a mailman list, I used to use it and it was okay, but very fiddly. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Hunter Sent: Monday, 3 July 2006 5:29 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly??? Hi all, I've looked into the problems that seem to be happening on the list, in particularly, that not all emails are being received by everyone. There are two issues that could be causing this problem, the first one is spam filters as already mentioned by Andrea. Unfortunately, there is no perfect technology available to make sure only real spam is filtered and all the email you want or expect to receive actually arrive in your inbox. This spam issue also affects some emails that are bouncing. As I don't always have time to go through all my spam mail to make sure I catch all bounces from the list. Although I will endeavour to be as thorough as I can, I do received over 100 spam emails a day (that's my problem though :-) ). I am currently going through my spam mail to fish out any bounces that aren't spam and will respond to anyone whose mail has wrongly ended up in my spam inbox. Some of the ways you can help to make sure all emails are received: * Have a think about the words you use in your email, spam filters are set up to catch key words. Some of these you may need to use due to the nature of your work but may also have a not spam typical description. * Only send emails to the list only and not copy in other people * Try not to use the special words in emails, like s*bscribe, uns*bscribe, j*in, c*ncel and h*lp (particularly in the subject heading). * Try to remember that the list doesn't like attachments. * When replying to messages try to only keep as much of the original message as is needed to make sense of your reply. Emails bounce when they are too long. * For those who view this list via the archives, unfortunately, you can only post emails to the list is you are a member. There is no reason why you can't join to send an email and then take yourself off the list after your email has been sent. I hope this is useful to you all. Please don't hesitate to contact me should you have any questions. Regards Kim At 03:05 25/06/2006, you wrote: Hi Everyone, Can I first stress that this list is not moderated - no-one checks emails before they appear and no messages are filtered out. This is one of the few email lists that are free and open in this way. Everyone is welcome here! The list sometimes has problems, and we will investigate. Sometimes I get messages that for some reason are redirected to my spam filter where I pick them up - you could try checking there for missed emails. If the sender copies messages to other email addresses at the same time, this seems to cause the problem for me. For example, an email sent simultaneously to a string of private email address and/or several lists including this one, may get bounced as spam by your ISP. Try sending messages just to this list and don't copy to anyone else at the same time. I'll ask our list manager Kim for more suggestions. Regards Andrea At 09:41 AM 24/06/2006, you wrote: The emails that I am aware of not getting through have often been involving the same group of people, and/or regarding birth trauma, the ethics of choice, and then there is also mine and Janet's recent emails on birthplans (I've had two emails not appear yesterday, one was a follow up to David's commentary on the ethics of choice, and one was a response to Kelly's further query about Birthplans). Are other people having the same difficulty, or are specific emails being singled out and removed? This is highly frustrating and needs to be remedied for the list to function fairly and effectively. It's happening a lot right now but it's occurred multiple times historically too. - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly??? I often get the feeling that not all posts make it through, I see replies to messages that I never received etc. At 11:38 PM +1000 23/6/06, Great Birth Men at Birth wrote: G'day, I'm aware that a few people have sent responses to my post of 20 June entitled Consumer demand for inductions and caesareans but they never
RE: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???
One reason for outgoing mail not getting through is one's own AV software, which can stop emails going out if they contain certain words. That is the case with mine. Debbie Slater Perth, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 10:54 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] List working properly??? I try really hard to be careful with my wording! But still, it seems to take a while for replies to go through (sometimes if at all!). I do notice that the yahoo groups go through so quickly, often instantly, perhaps you could change to a Yahoo group instead, import all the email addresses in? It would require less maintenance too perhaps? This appears to be a mailman list, I used to use it and it was okay, but very fiddly. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Hunter Sent: Monday, 3 July 2006 5:29 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly??? Hi all, I've looked into the problems that seem to be happening on the list, in particularly, that not all emails are being received by everyone. There are two issues that could be causing this problem, the first one is spam filters as already mentioned by Andrea. Unfortunately, there is no perfect technology available to make sure only real spam is filtered and all the email you want or expect to receive actually arrive in your inbox. This spam issue also affects some emails that are bouncing. As I don't always have time to go through all my spam mail to make sure I catch all bounces from the list. Although I will endeavour to be as thorough as I can, I do received over 100 spam emails a day (that's my problem though :-) ). I am currently going through my spam mail to fish out any bounces that aren't spam and will respond to anyone whose mail has wrongly ended up in my spam inbox. Some of the ways you can help to make sure all emails are received: * Have a think about the words you use in your email, spam filters are set up to catch key words. Some of these you may need to use due to the nature of your work but may also have a not spam typical description. * Only send emails to the list only and not copy in other people * Try not to use the special words in emails, like s*bscribe, uns*bscribe, j*in, c*ncel and h*lp (particularly in the subject heading). * Try to remember that the list doesn't like attachments. * When replying to messages try to only keep as much of the original message as is needed to make sense of your reply. Emails bounce when they are too long. * For those who view this list via the archives, unfortunately, you can only post emails to the list is you are a member. There is no reason why you can't join to send an email and then take yourself off the list after your email has been sent. I hope this is useful to you all. Please don't hesitate to contact me should you have any questions. Regards Kim At 03:05 25/06/2006, you wrote: Hi Everyone, Can I first stress that this list is not moderated - no-one checks emails before they appear and no messages are filtered out. This is one of the few email lists that are free and open in this way. Everyone is welcome here! The list sometimes has problems, and we will investigate. Sometimes I get messages that for some reason are redirected to my spam filter where I pick them up - you could try checking there for missed emails. If the sender copies messages to other email addresses at the same time, this seems to cause the problem for me. For example, an email sent simultaneously to a string of private email address and/or several lists including this one, may get bounced as spam by your ISP. Try sending messages just to this list and don't copy to anyone else at the same time. I'll ask our list manager Kim for more suggestions. Regards Andrea At 09:41 AM 24/06/2006, you wrote: The emails that I am aware of not getting through have often been involving the same group of people, and/or regarding birth trauma, the ethics of choice, and then there is also mine and Janet's recent emails on birthplans (I've had two emails not appear yesterday, one was a follow up to David's commentary on the ethics of choice, and one was a response to Kelly's further query about Birthplans). Are other people having the same difficulty, or are specific emails being singled out and removed? This is highly frustrating and needs to be remedied for the list to function fairly and effectively. It's happening a lot right now but it's occurred multiple times historically too. - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
[ozmidwifery] Life Matters Tomorrow: A Midwife Working in Remote Australia
Life Matters on ABC Radio National Tuesday July 11 9am - 10am live with Kate Evans (Richard Aedy is on leave this week) . Stories include: * The argument for accelerating gifted children through school. We speak to one of the world's most respected researchers on gifted education, Miraca Gross. * Some good news from Cambodia - casualities from land mines are finally starting to lessen and the economy is improving. Austcare Ambassador General John Sanderson who lead the UN Peacekeeping Force in Cambodia in the early 1990's gives his assessment of repair and reconciliation in the country. * Gambling addiction - a personal perspective. * The midlife midwife. Meet a listener from Thursday Island who's a passionate midwife working in remote Australia. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
