Re: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

[Carol Fallows]

Hi Andrea,
I am currently working on a book for the Cancer Council about cancer in the 
school community. I have unearthed a number of books and agree with Megan 
about "Beginnings and Endings". Another one for littlies is "The Fall of the 
Leaf" by Leo Buscaglia. There is also a book for older children by Elizabeth 
Kubler Ross - any of her stuff is great and it may help you to answer 
questions.If your library doesn't have them there is always Amazon, but I 
use www.abebooks.com.au  - that way you can usually find a book secondhand 
in Australia if its available (or put in a want).

Kind regards,
Carol Fallows

- Original Message - 
From: "Megan & Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief



My favourite book on life and death is
"Beginnings and Endings with Lifetime in Between"
It explains how all living things have a different lifetime and within 
their

own species, plants, animals and people. Some live for a very short time
others live to be very old.

I don't know if it would help relieve anxiety for this littl girl, but to 
me

it is honest and respectful of the living process.

I was introduced to it when my brother took his life, it helped me to
explain it to my children and even my parents have found it helpful to
understand the time they were given with him.

Its often in school or kindy libraries, so you could borrow it.

Best wishes

Megan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi
Sent: Monday, 14 August 2006 9:20 PM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

Dear Andrea and all

I am after a suggestions of children's books that would be suitable for a
little girl Maya aged 5 whose mother is having a baby this year. Last year
her Mum had another baby Jonah who was born prematurely  and died aged 10
weeks. They are all still grieving yet excited about having a new baby.
Maya has been waiting a long time to have a baby to hold and is displaying
anxiety about this baby. She talks openly about Jonah but at the same time
became teary. its hard when we cant promise her this baby will be OK. As
adults we understand what probably means and the mother is confident that
everything is OK but how do you explain that to a 5 year old?

I have looked in the birth international catalogue but it is hard to know
which ones are good.
Any suggestions

Andrea Quanchi
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Re: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

[Andrea Quanchi]

Thanks Di I had seen the listt but was interested to know if anyone  
knew which ones were good or not before I buy them

Andrea
On 15/08/2006, at 8:29 AM, diane wrote:


Capers have these ones.
http://www.capersbookstore.com.au/scripts/shop_srchby.asp?req=Grief 
+and+Loss&by=cat&choice=17


Cheers,
Di
- Original Message - From: "Megan & Larry"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief



My favourite book on life and death is
"Beginnings and Endings with Lifetime in Between"
It explains how all living things have a different lifetime and  
within their
own species, plants, animals and people. Some live for a very  
short time

others live to be very old.

I don't know if it would help relieve anxiety for this littl girl,  
but to me

it is honest and respectful of the living process.

I was introduced to it when my brother took his life, it helped me to
explain it to my children and even my parents have found it  
helpful to

understand the time they were given with him.

Its often in school or kindy libraries, so you could borrow it.

Best wishes

Megan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea  
Quanchi

Sent: Monday, 14 August 2006 9:20 PM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

Dear Andrea and all

I am after a suggestions of children's books that would be  
suitable for a
little girl Maya aged 5 whose mother is having a baby this year.  
Last year
her Mum had another baby Jonah who was born prematurely  and died  
aged 10
weeks. They are all still grieving yet excited about having a new  
baby.
Maya has been waiting a long time to have a baby to hold and is  
displaying
anxiety about this baby. She talks openly about Jonah but at the  
same time
became teary. its hard when we cant promise her this baby will be  
OK. As
adults we understand what probably means and the mother is  
confident that

everything is OK but how do you explain that to a 5 year old?

I have looked in the birth international catalogue but it is hard  
to know

which ones are good.
Any suggestions

Andrea Quanchi
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Re: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

[diane]

Capers have these ones.
http://www.capersbookstore.com.au/scripts/shop_srchby.asp?req=Grief+and+Loss&by=cat&choice=17

Cheers,
Di
- Original Message - 
From: "Megan & Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief



My favourite book on life and death is
"Beginnings and Endings with Lifetime in Between"
It explains how all living things have a different lifetime and within 
their

own species, plants, animals and people. Some live for a very short time
others live to be very old.

I don't know if it would help relieve anxiety for this littl girl, but to 
me

it is honest and respectful of the living process.

I was introduced to it when my brother took his life, it helped me to
explain it to my children and even my parents have found it helpful to
understand the time they were given with him.

Its often in school or kindy libraries, so you could borrow it.

Best wishes

Megan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi
Sent: Monday, 14 August 2006 9:20 PM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

Dear Andrea and all

I am after a suggestions of children's books that would be suitable for a
little girl Maya aged 5 whose mother is having a baby this year. Last year
her Mum had another baby Jonah who was born prematurely  and died aged 10
weeks. They are all still grieving yet excited about having a new baby.
Maya has been waiting a long time to have a baby to hold and is displaying
anxiety about this baby. She talks openly about Jonah but at the same time
became teary. its hard when we cant promise her this baby will be OK. As
adults we understand what probably means and the mother is confident that
everything is OK but how do you explain that to a 5 year old?

I have looked in the birth international catalogue but it is hard to know
which ones are good.
Any suggestions

Andrea Quanchi
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Private Health Funds

[Jan Robinson]

Hi all
NSW Teachers Federation Health Society also pays out  ... Home Births by a qualified midwife (9 months waiting period)
A benefit of up to $850, including antenatal and post natal visits, for services of a registered midwife nurse in private practice. (Confinement $500)
Defence Health  Commonwealth Bank    NRMA (through MBF)   Grand United also pay (ask your midwife to register with them  02 9370 6712 or toll free on 1800 800 245 outside Sydney) . Government Employees Health Fund (postnatal care only)  Navy Health (call 1300 30 6289 to register with them)   Manchester Unity (only if your midwife has PI  insurance) NIB Healthcover also will provide a one off payout if you have been a long-standing member 
Cheers
Jan
Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner
National Coordinator  Australian Society of Independent Midwives
8 Robin Crescent   South Hurstville   NSW   2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350
e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 13 Aug, 2006, at 21:21, Justine Caines wrote:

Dear Marie and All

 Australian Unity offer $2000 towards HB (I don’t know if they cover midwifery outside the home).  I assume this is a planned Hosp birth with 1-2-1 Mid.

 MBF are now hard to deal with but even when they were good they only pay for one or the other ie HB or Hopsital services. They have in the past paid the whole amount but now you would need to fight for that.  They do not advertise this at all.  All arrangements are 1 off’s

 If the woman is going public with the Ob (Assume that’s where you’d get the support) then it should be fine.  

 NIB offer Mid services (only $750) so pretty poor.

 I believe HBA also cover midwifery.  I can’t find it on their site however.

 I would ask that even if she goes with Aust Unity that she writes to them and seeks the full amount she is charged.  It is ridiculous for PH funds to pay out $5000 to $15,000 for a c/s (often with no medical indication) and yet peanuts for midwifery.  But unless we ask we won’t get.

 Also could she please cc this to the Private Health Insurance Ombudsman (I’ll attach some points for her letter  to both the PH fund and the Ombudsman below)

 JC

 Private Health Insurance Ombudsman

 Mr John Powlay   (and this is from their site)   www.phio.org.au

You can raise a complaint with us by phone, email, fax or letter.


 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Private Health Insurance Ombudsman
  Level 7, 362 Kent Street
  SYDNEY NSW 2000
  Complaints Hotline:1800 640 695

 Telephone: (02) 8235 8777
  Facsimile: (02) 8235 8778


Points to raise to PH Funds and the Ombudsman in support of Midwifery Care

*There are more babies born each year than any other health procedure.  Appropriate cost effective PH options re maternity will affect all policy holders.

 Funds offer bonuses and incentives for maximising wellness and yet with childbirth they totally promote sickness and discourage women from maintaining wellness and minimising intervention.

 *In private health insurance there is absolutely no competition, it is totally medically dominated.  

 *It is also an area that is crippling health funds (so much so that smaller funds actually tell you which Obstetrician you can see as they can only afford some).  

 *Some  funds are looking at providing a midwifery benefit (as they recognise the huge cost saving) but where is the Government support??  Still no assistance with insurance.  - (this would be for the Ombudsman)

 With insurance all funds could offer choice (that would also double as a HUGE cost saver).  Importantly it would also make PHI a viable option for rural consumers (currently as most rural areas do not have private Obs or even Obs there is no point joining up).  This shows what a giant waste of money PHI is in its current form. (this would be for the Ombudsman)  

RE: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

[Megan & Larry]

My favourite book on life and death is 
"Beginnings and Endings with Lifetime in Between"
It explains how all living things have a different lifetime and within their
own species, plants, animals and people. Some live for a very short time
others live to be very old.

I don't know if it would help relieve anxiety for this littl girl, but to me
it is honest and respectful of the living process.

I was introduced to it when my brother took his life, it helped me to
explain it to my children and even my parents have found it helpful to
understand the time they were given with him. 

Its often in school or kindy libraries, so you could borrow it.

Best wishes

Megan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi
Sent: Monday, 14 August 2006 9:20 PM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

Dear Andrea and all

I am after a suggestions of children's books that would be suitable for a
little girl Maya aged 5 whose mother is having a baby this year. Last year
her Mum had another baby Jonah who was born prematurely  and died aged 10
weeks. They are all still grieving yet excited about having a new baby.
Maya has been waiting a long time to have a baby to hold and is displaying
anxiety about this baby. She talks openly about Jonah but at the same time
became teary. its hard when we cant promise her this baby will be OK. As
adults we understand what probably means and the mother is confident that
everything is OK but how do you explain that to a 5 year old?

I have looked in the birth international catalogue but it is hard to know
which ones are good.
Any suggestions

Andrea Quanchi
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[ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief

[Andrea Quanchi]

Dear Andrea and all

I am after a suggestions of children's books that would be suitable  
for a little girl Maya aged 5 whose mother is having a baby this  
year. Last year her Mum had another baby Jonah who was born  
prematurely  and died aged 10 weeks. They are all still grieving yet  
excited about having a new baby.  Maya has been waiting a long time  
to have a baby to hold and is displaying anxiety about this baby. She  
talks openly about Jonah but at the same time became teary. its hard  
when we cant promise her this baby will be OK. As adults we  
understand what probably means and the mother is confident that  
everything is OK but how do you explain that to a 5 year old?


I have looked in the birth international catalogue but it is hard to  
know which ones are good.

Any suggestions

Andrea Quanchi
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Private Health Funds

[Justine Caines]

Dear Jennifairy

Please if possible get your Mum to write a quick letter to the Private
Health Insurance Ombudsman outlining her concerns and previous treatment.
Also if $1500 is not the full amount repaid (which I assume it isn't) then
also why does the fund discriminate against wellness re maternity when it
promotes it in other areas.

If we know he is receiving letters we can then lobby him

JC


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Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal breech

[MH]

I've been present at (and caught!) some lovely breech births but also been 
present at:

one tentorial tear, cactus baby,
one fractured cervical spine, lifted up too early... cactus baby,
one trapped head, dead baby.
They were all living and well at the beginning of the birth.
I don't agree at all with the idea of caesaring all breech babies but I have 
huge fears when I see inexperienced (and some who should be experienced) 
people stepping up to 'deliver' these babies.

Monica

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From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal breech


They're also trying to avoid the dangers of managed breech birth - go 
figure!

J
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kristin Beckedahl

 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:15 PM
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] vaginal breech


 Hi all,

 Why are breech (sometimes) routinely CS'd.  What risks are they actually 
trying to avoid for the baby?


 Kristin




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Private Health Funds

[Jennifairy]

Ping Bullock wrote:



>TEACHERS FEDERATION HEALTH: An SA midwife has just had a client with
>this company who is expecting to receive $1500 from them to cover her
>homebirth. The midwife had to give her an invoice with her ABN on it,
>setting out how much she
>had been charged for antenatal, birth/labour & postnatal, as they were
>specific about how much they would reimburse for each 'part'.


Yeah that was me, last year. They did eventually pay $1500 after we both 
(me & new mum) jumped through some hoops to satisfy criteria they were 
probably making up on the spot.
Im birthing with the same woman again (due any day now), so Im hoping it 
will be more straight forward this time seeing as they've now dealt with 
this before (with the same client even!). The problem seems to be that 
they just dont deal with this situation often enough to really know what 
to do with it, ie have identified procedures etc. I agree with Justine, 
the more women ask about it & then ask "Why the hell not?", the more its 
in their faces & they then have to create policy. I think its worth 
while to add that 'other' insurance companies *do* offer 
homebirth/midwifery reimbursement - health insurance is a very 
competitive business, a few of them make a big deal about offering 
'alternative therapies' cover to attract a wider client base - if they 
want to trot out the 'numbers' argument (ie the number of women wanting 
homebirths is very small so why should they offer 'specialised' 
insurance to such a minority), just remind them that it wasnt very long 
ago that NO insurance companies offered rebates for homeopathy & 
acupuncture etc - these therapies were only accessed by 'hippies', 
werent they?

cheers

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Midwife in Private Practice

Women’s Health Teaching Associate

ITShare volunteer – Santos Project Co-ordinator
ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/
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Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal breech

[Janet Fraser]

They're also trying to avoid the 
dangers of managed breech birth - go figure! 
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kristin 
  Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:15 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] vaginal 
  breech
  
  
  Hi all,
  Why are breech (sometimes) routinely CS'd.  What risks are they 
  actually trying to avoid for the baby?
  Kristin
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Private Health Funds

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Further to Justines fantastic comments
HBA do offer a refund to Private midwives somewhere 
in the vacinity of $1500 I am told. The person to speak to is Jenny Doherty 
99374074
Wen

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:06 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Private Health 
  Funds
  
  
  Can anyone assist with their 
  knowledge of private health funds ?
  Which health fund covers the best 
  for midwifery care – I have a lady looking at care for her next pregnancy 
  having a history of 3 lscs after 2 vaginal births – and we have sought the 
  support of
  an obstetrician – thus the attempt 
  to look at joining a health fund prior to conception 
  ?
  Any help 
  appreciated
  Marie 
  Heath
  Midwyf 
  Services
   
  
  

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