Re: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required)
What a brilliant quote we can take from you Sue!! "At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy". I'm amazed at how much bullying occurs and how much is gotten away with even now! Amanda - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required") One of my favorite quotes is Gandhi First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win. Similar to a quote I read on JB "All truth goes through 3 stages: Firstly it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, thirdly it is held to be self-evident" Well done for advocating for this woman Joy. We were discussing the National competancy standards at work recently and I held that it is not possible to uphold these in the truest sense whilst working within an obstetric model of care. We cannot truly be women's advocates and work within hospital blanket policies. I was attending a very nice normal birth recently with absolutely no adverse factors and had discussed with the woman leaving the third stage to happen naturally unless otherwise indicated. All was well untill Ob comes in uninvited, unrequested, sees synto drawn up but not given, babe in mum's arms placenta already pushed out by mum (next contraction post baby) and in kidney dish, still attached to baby. Ob goes ballistic and insists on synto being given,saying "there are no medals for haemorrhaging" even though the blood loss was minimal and well within norm, and placenta already out. (so what exactly do we give synto for again) My point being that within the obstetric model- the 'boys' hold the power, the management backs them up. At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy. I tried to discuss with my cnm the fact that I was responsible for giving a drug that was not necessary, so if the woman had an adverse reaction and we were sued, I would be wrong for giving the drug that was not medically indicated. Was just told that I am covered under hosp policy and have to work within them - this does not fit with what I hear about court procedings. Sorry this is a bit rambling - but wanted to add my support to you Joy for holding up under pressure and I agree that perhaps YOU should instigate a meeting to discuss this. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required
Perhaps some of these doctors need to learn these otherindicators of progress? Amanda - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Hi Joy, You have done a great job in beingan advocate for this woman. And you are right in the need to remind him that 'no means no'.To digitally penetrate a woman without her consent is sexual assault. And why does he believe that your need to support him is more of a priority than supporting the woman? It's inappropriate towrite comments like that in the notes. Perhaps he needs to be reminded that midwife means 'with woman' not 'with doctor'! : ) To my knowledge there aren't any studies on outcomes, in relation to whether VE's are done or not.When I worked in a birth centre many women birthed without a VE.There are so many other indicators of progress. Actually my Mum had seven kids and said she NEVER had a VE! Cheers MichelleJoy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Judy and Barb for your support. Yes, the woman did know, as he was trying to convince her and she asked why she needed it and then said no, when he still tried to push for the VE I said firmly "she said no" that's when the proverbial hit the fan. Might need to remind him of the TV ads that no means no ;) After the birth she asked if there was anything she could do to support me. I just said we'll wait and see what eventuates. What really hurt was that he wrote in the notes (where all staff can see) that he was filing an incident report in relation to Joy Cocks not supporting him, so I imagine I am the subject of hospital gossip for a few days! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: B G To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 19:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Congratulations Joy, you did so well for the woman. You were probably so discrete the woman may never have known you had to stand up for her rights and dignity so she could get into her birthing space.Take him on and just remind him that workplace bullying is not a good picture to get in. Take care Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joy CocksSent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 10:51 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Pheewww..Peiter Mourik used to come to our hospital and give inservices when he held clinics there. I would back up Wendy's comments. He's very clever with words and is god's gift to women - always saving them! He believes that midwives canonly beindependant when they can do forceps/ventouse births! Sorry, negative comments after a bad evening when I stood up for a labouring woman who did not wish to have a VE when the GP ob wanted to do one as how else would he know whether she was progressing or not. He's writing an incident report about me for not supporting him.He asked how I planned to manage the labour and I told him that the woman was managing the labour and I would be worried if shebecame worried.The woman proceeded to birth without problem. Just feeling upset and hurt as he is my GP and we usually work well together, but probably most other women are not as strong in standing up for themselves. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: info required I will be meeting with Peter Miourik(obstetrician) amongst others in an informal dinner setting on Friday night as the hospital that I work at is having a review of obstetric services . I believe this is a man who is quite against midwifery led services and I'm a bit puzzled as to why I have been asked to be one of the 2 midwifery reps at this dinner. But very pleased at the same time, and more than happy to be a part of this.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Hi Amanda and all Your Mum beats me I have only had six without a V.E (incl twins!!) But I am currently childbearing and I guess things have got so much worse in the last 20 or so years. When I was quizzed about my obstetric history (please!) by a GP. He commented that I was fortunate. And yes my reply was true to form. Absolutely fortunate I said to have an independent midwife for each pregnancy! JC
[ozmidwifery] Fw: LRC Chat night Pinky McKay - sleeping like a baby
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Insurance for midwives
Hi Joanne, Where exactly are we meant to be looking on the ACMI website for this information? Ive searched, and cant put a finger on it Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Joanne and Steve Fisher Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 5:27 PM To: Ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Insurance for midwives Hi all, If you are interested in the Insurance situation being proposed by Barb Vernon (ACMI) see their website for further info on this possible proposal, for midwives providing any antenatal care, classes, birth or postnatal care in an independent fashion. You need to pass on your name to her and indicate your interest. Saying you are interested does not lock you in to anything and just means that your name and email will potentially be included in the list that Barb Vernon is trying to gather. There are not enough midwives Australia wide who have indicated their interest yet. There may have been other emails but they clearly need to state whether they wish to be placed on the list as registering interest. Please consider this as we do need at least 200 midwives to go ahead. If you are on the list and do not practice independently for some time it will not cost anything until you are practicing. Thanks everyone. Cheers, Joanne. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.2/422 - Release Date: 17/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 18/08/2006
