Re: [ozmidwifery] RE:

[Lisa Barrett]

 

   
  Some 
  of the best people I have worked with have been div2's. Their knowledge and 
  understanding put some of the 'midwives' to shame. Just how much nursing care 
  does a newborn need?  Many LC's are not midwives, as are childbirth 
  educators.  Maybe we should be assisting these people to be woman wise, 
  and not judge them on qualifications. 
  
   
  I have no 
  doubt that there are many people other than midwives that have vast knowledge 
  and understanding but antenatal and postnatal care is not nursing care at all. 
  It is specific to normal healthy women who are childbearing.  If anyone 
  can be trained to do this in just 8 days why bother with midwifery 
  training.  If we and not judging people on their qualifications some of 
  the brilliant lay midwives out there wouldn't be persecuted and they are way 
  more specialised than nurses.
  Lisa 
  Barrett
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ganesha 
RosatSent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 8:33 AMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 

Hi all u wonderful 
women!
 
Just a quick posting in line 
with the current debate about maternity services within country areas and 
who provides services. 
 
The hospital I am currently 
working in has decided to address our midwife shortage but training division 
two nurses to work in the maternity department.
These nurses have 3 days of 
theory, one day of orientation in óbstetric’ and five days of clinical 
experience. 
On completion of their modules 
these girls will be able to:
    
Assist in the provision of antenatal nursing care to the 
client
    
Assist in the provision of nursing care to the healthy newborn 
baby
    
Discuss the establishment and maintenance of 
breastfeeding
    
Assist in the evaluation of key stage of growth and development of the 
baby
    
Assist in the provision of postnatal nursing care to the 
woman
 
This again indicates to me the 
lack of understanding of the needs of women (not clients). Instead of the 
hospital supporting midwives and creating a working environment that 
encourages new midwives to come to the area, they find quick fixes that only 
further add to the fragmentation of care.
 
Anyway what do u all think? And 
is this happening anywhere else?
 
Cheers 
Ganesha
    

 
 

[ozmidwifery] RE:

[Ken Ward]

Some 
of the best people I have worked with have been div2's. Their knowledge and 
understanding put some of the 'midwives' to shame. Just how much nursing care 
does a newborn need?  Many LC's are not midwives, as are childbirth 
educators.  Maybe we should be assisting these people to be woman wise, and 
not judge them on qualifications. 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ganesha 
  RosatSent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 8:33 AMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 
  
  Hi all u wonderful 
  women!
   
  Just a quick posting in line with 
  the current debate about maternity services within country areas and who 
  provides services. 
   
  The hospital I am currently 
  working in has decided to address our midwife shortage but training division 
  two nurses to work in the maternity department.
  These nurses have 3 days of 
  theory, one day of orientation in óbstetric’ and five days of clinical 
  experience. 
  On completion of their modules 
  these girls will be able to:
      
  Assist in the provision of antenatal nursing care to the 
  client
      
  Assist in the provision of nursing care to the healthy newborn 
  baby
      
  Discuss the establishment and maintenance of 
  breastfeeding
      
  Assist in the evaluation of key stage of growth and development of the 
  baby
      
  Assist in the provision of postnatal nursing care to the 
  woman
   
  This again indicates to me the 
  lack of understanding of the needs of women (not clients). Instead of the 
  hospital supporting midwives and creating a working environment that 
  encourages new midwives to come to the area, they find quick fixes that only 
  further add to the fragmentation of care.
   
  Anyway what do u all think? And is 
  this happening anywhere else?
   
  Cheers 
  Ganesha
      
  
   
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] QUOTE OF THE WEEK

[Janet Fraser]

I think that's nonsense. This is the 
quote that springs to my mind when I read that:


  
  

  

  
A snippet from www.midwiferytoday.com Think about It: Cesarean 
  Section While it is symbolic that the only Barbie model that gives 
  birth does so through her abdomen, the escalation of cesarean rates 
  illustrates more than women's self-loathing. It takes two to do this 
  tango. Obstetricians, "relentlessly driven to control the unpredictability 
  of pregnancy and birth," must accept responsibility as the dispensers of 
  cutting-edge technology. Dr. [Germaine] Greer views the rise in cesarean 
  rates as part of the widespread cultural assault on women's bodies and 
  more specifically, a transfer of the ritual mutilation of the vagina 
  (through episiotomy) to the mutilation of the uterus itself. Surely, 
  cesarean rates approaching 25 percent cannot be medically justified. As 
  Dr. Greer points out, "Much of what is done to women in the name of health 
  has no rationale beyond control." Insult is added to injury when 
  women, who labour but end up birthed by cesarean, are told that their 
  bodies (their pelvis, uterus or cervix) are to blame. The truth is that 
  induction, analgesia, electronic fetal surveillance, an unfamiliar 
  environment and lack of continuous labour support all interfere with the 
  sensitive process of labour and affect the outcome. Dr. Greer reminds us 
  that "blaming the victim for the crime is a pattern of injustice very 
  familiar to feminists." — Karen Robb, excerpted from the article 
  "Thank You, Germaine Greer: A Midwife Comments on Greer's bestseller, The 
  Whole Woman" Midwifery Today Issue 57

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: list 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:44 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] QUOTE OF THE 
  WEEK
  
  
  "We need 
  to find a way between the rock of medical model standard of care and the hard 
  place of women's insistence on pain-free, rapid childbearing to meet the needs 
  of both mother and baby."— Sharon 
  Glass Jonquil 
   

[ozmidwifery] Book

[Mary Murphy]

Does anyone have this book.  I would like to either borrow or buy it
ASAP. Thanks, MM

 

Trying Again : A Guide to Pregnancy
After Miscarriage, Stillbirth, and Infant Loss (Paperback) 
by Ann
Douglas  2000. 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Belinda birth story

[Judy Chapman]

Fantastic. Had I had any idea one could do that 32 yrs ago I may
have tried to have the 4 childen I wanted. Instead I stopped
after 2 CS. It was just too hard. For that reason I always get a
glow of satisfaction when I hear these stories. 
Cheers
Judy


--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> getting back to birth - I had a great day today!
> I had a woman who lives out of town and has had two previous
> cesareans 
> sections have a beautiful birth at home of a chubby baby girl.
> After I had experienced a traumatic birth three months ago of
> a woman 
> who ruptured her uterus suddenly in second stage (in hospital)
> and a 
> traumatized but recovering mother and baby (long story) I had
> felt 
> anxious about birth and found myself second guessing myself
> all of the 
> time.
> Taking on this woman challenged me to either be the midwife I
> wanted to 
> be - that is trusting in women and supporting their decisions
> when they 
> have received all of the information, or allow myself to be
> engulfed 
> with fear and worry.
> This birth today was special for many reasons and healing for
> the mum 
> who was still emotional about her first two sections and
> desperate for a 
> vaginal birth, but it is I found also healing for me. I
> supported her 
> and cared for her and didn't let myself get caught up in the
> potential 
> fear that was hanging around me from my earlier trauma.
> 
> Thankyou so much to the SAIMA midwives especially Lisa, Tania,
> Larissa, 
> Julie, Milly and Rosie  - all of you really, who have
> supported me as I 
> worked through my fears and trauma, the offers of support we
> so 
> appreciated, thankyou Lisa and Rosie for offering to sit
> outside the 
> house just to support me, it was great knowing you would do
> that for me 
> XXX
> midwives are good to each other
> Love Belinda
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[ozmidwifery] QUOTE OF THE WEEK

[Mary Murphy]

"We
need to find a way between the rock of medical model standard of care and the
hard place of women's insistence on pain-free, rapid childbearing to meet the
needs of both mother and baby."— Sharon Glass Jonquil