RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Hi Debbie I have a doula friend from the UK that goes between there and the Dubai. If you want her details let me know and I'll pass them on. The doulas in the UK also had a request recently, and several other options came up. I can get those details too if you need them. From what I know, birthing women in Dubai need a lot of support. Home birth is illegal as janet says, but it still happens and theni its almost impossible to get a birth certifucate. Lisa (australiandoulas) - Original Message - From: Janet at home To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
This resource was recommended for contacts, I had a quick look and it looks pretty good! http://www.expatmum.com/vbulletin/search.php?s=2fc049854f0ffb9f669d03361943831aaction=showresultssearchid=613271sortby=lastpostsortorder=descending - Original Message - From: Janet at home To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Illegal or simply not commonly practiced? I was told when I first moved to Singapore 10 years ago that homebirth was illegal. The reality was that it was just never seen and there were no midwives so no support for women who wanted to have a homebirth. That situation has now changed as more women are now aware that homebirth is an option. My understanding is that there is no country where homebirth is illegal. Practicing midwifery without a licence, or without insurance, can certainly be legally managed, but how would the authorities ever monitor the women having homebirths? Think of those women who have their babies at home unintended. One of our students is based in Dubai - Patty Ghaly. She is studying as a doula and may have more information on the options available in Dubai. If you would like her contact details Debbie, please contact me offlist and I can pass them on. Nikki Macfarlane Childbirth International [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] hbac/vbac
Hi, A member of JB has put together her HBAC and her VBAC in an easy to compare format. Makes for very interesting reading indeed! Just thought I'd share. : ) J http://www.joyousbirth.info/articles/hospital-home-comparison.html For homebirth information go to: http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
I wonder about the 'legality' of it too..if I had a dollar for every time I was told it was illegal to have your baby at home in Australia, geez, I'd be looking at some serious cash now! On 05/03/2007, at 10:22 PM, Nikki old wrote: Illegal or simply not commonly practiced? I was told when I first moved to Singapore 10 years ago that homebirth was illegal. The reality was that it was just never seen and there were no midwives so no support for women who wanted to have a homebirth. That situation has now changed as more women are now aware that homebirth is an option. My understanding is that there is no country where homebirth is illegal. Practicing midwifery without a licence, or without insurance, can certainly be legally managed, but how would the authorities ever monitor the women having homebirths? Think of those women who have their babies at home unintended. One of our students is based in Dubai - Patty Ghaly. She is studying as a doula and may have more information on the options available in Dubai. If you would like her contact details Debbie, please contact me offlist and I can pass them on. Nikki Macfarlane Childbirth International [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres
Dear Kate Are you in WA I can put you in touch with various people who can give you some background to the closure of Swan and Mandurah birth Centres here is my off list contact Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Kate reynolds To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres Hi all, Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients billed? Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and therefore bill for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in case??? Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth Centres in WA were closed? Cheers, kate -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 5/03/2007 9:41 AM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres
Hi Kate I must have missed the first post here - just got Denise's reply. I was one of the Swan Districts Birth Centre team when it began. The reasons given for it's eventual closure were many and varied but boiled down to: Insufficient consumer use- this was sad and I'm sure that had there been greater public demand/awareness we might still be in business. Those that used our FBC loved it, but our exclusion and transfer criteria policies meant a high transfer-out rate, also just the one room meant that if 2 FBC ladies were labouring at the same time it was 'first come first serve'. A large proportion of transfers were for this reason. So our numbers were only about 70 births per year, but we handled all of the ante-natal care for those who chose FBC or our GP/MW Public ANC option. Expense, and what was seen (by management) as waste of resources in use of experienced midwives, sometimes 'doubling-up' of services i.e. home visiting, childbirth classes. cars, mobile phones (Oh the trouble we had trying to get more than ONE mobile phone in the beginning!!) We were also on a higher wage scale to allow for the unsociable hours of on-call and nights. Difficulty in recruiting midwives to the system of on-call within a team of only 3 midwives, trying to recruit from within staff already employed, many of whom were not interested in this sort of work/system. It was hard to take time off when ther was no one to relieve! I worked for the fist 18 months without a holiday because there were no replacements - also meant you could not be sick! Pressure from the Obs who did not approve and who were not willing to 'pick up the disasters that the m/w's and GP's could not handle' - never have been 'team players' our guys!! And basically and bottom line (IMHO) was that it was established after sitting empty for many years while fighting to overcome the objections to its use (a bit like our bath on labour ward is right now - still not allowed to use the blessed thing - 6 months down and counting!!) and that management never really wanted it to succeed, we were under threat of closure almost from the first birth. They want to run an obstetric unit and have no place for GP or midwifery-led options - despite all they say to the contrary. We fought long and hard, and tried some different options to overcome the above issues but eventually lost our unit, and sadly our lovely GPs, most of whom no longer have any outlet to practice obstetrics at all which is a great loss to our local women. The FBC is now used as the doctors' private flat for when they are here on their 24hour (highly lucrative) stints. For a while we were able to use it as a private place to care for women/families undergoing pregnancy loss, the doctor on duty would move out and these families really appreciated this service. However the Obs have even taken this away and refuse to go sleep anywhere else when the situation occurs, even though there are very acceptable alternatives open to them. I for one still mourn its loss - although have to say that it was by no means a 'perfect' system and there are many better ways to organise mid-led care. Met one of 'my' FBC mums and 11 year-old boy last week, she was visiting a friend and new bub, and I still remembered her name, her son's name and her surname (for me quite amazing as I have a big problem with names:-)) even remembered where she had lived! That was the difference - we really knew our FBC ladies and had a good time with them and their births. As for Mandurah - I have no idea but would imagine a similar story - anyone out there who was part of that team? Regards Sue PS email off list if you want more details [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres Dear Kate Are you in WA I can put you in touch with various people who can give you some background to the closure of Swan and Mandurah birth Centres here is my off list contact Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Kate reynolds To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres Hi all, Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients billed? Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and therefore bill for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in case??? Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth Centres
