Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph
You don't "get it" , you aready have it. She hasn't caught anything its very normal. Amanda - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph Thanks everyone for your replies, she is also wondering how she could have gotten it? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Susan CudlippSent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:22 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph Yes Melissa - GBS is a different organism from Staph. Not so long ago we used to 'anti-staph' the babies post first bath and day 3 using chlorhexidine cream, it apparently no longer is required as the 'staph contamination' is not harmful. Group B Strep is treated by AB's in labour and screening/monitoring babies X48 hours, very few are colonised, and few of these become sick but those that do can be very sick indeed Sue -- Original Message - From: Melissa Singer To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph I thought group b strep and staph aureaus are different organisms? Staph infections on vaginal swab require no treatment or preventative abs in labour. Staph seems to have no effects on baby (that they haven't found out yet!) and it is a normal colonisation of the skin only becoming a issue in the sick, and immunocompromised. I not 100% sure and am getting ready for work so no time to look it up yet. (p.s sharon, where i work we use benzpennicillin 1.2grams then 600mg every four hours.) Regards Melissa - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph Thats right gbs is group b streph which is found on vaginal swab at 36 weeks treated with benzpennicillin during labour every 4 hours commencing with a loading dose of 3 gms then 1.2 gm every four hours while in active labour. Regards sharon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Ceri KatrinaSent: Friday, 6 October 2006 7:32 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph Isn't GBS a staph infection??? Been awhile since I was at work, relishing in the time off work with little munchkin who is now 3 and bit months old.katrinaOn 06/10/2006, at 7:06 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: One of the women on my site has just found out she has both of these things. She said she has googled for hours and cant find anything on Staph specifically. Can someone pass on some knowledge on what this is going to mean? I have never heard of someone having both before . Shes almost 38wks Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator,BellyBelly.com.auConception, Pregnancy, Birth and BabyBellyBelly Birth Support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Speaking of steps backwards...
Fight it, I know its so tiring when you're pregnant to have to fight for these rights, but she may just come to an agreement witht he hospital that she will be happy with. Take it from a VBAC herself, she needs to be 'bloody' minded all the way thru the pregnancy and thru the birth. Stick with it, yes she may still get monitored during the birth (stay home as long as poss.), but put that suitcase on the bed, do everything possible if it comes down to it to keep her moving. I had the poor midwife chasing me trying to get her trace to work, (would have had better results with intermittant monitoring, but that was the policy), be brutal, the monitoring is their (hosp/midwife) problem not mums, just let mum get lost in the labour. hope this kinda helps. Amanda - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Speaking of steps backwards... From a woman wanting a VBAC in my forums, who is also a dear friend and I hope to support her if she gives birth some time around the Australian Doula Conference: I was just told at my midwife appt this week that the hospital has changed policies in the past few months and now required constant fetal monitoring of all induction, VBAC and higher risk births. Now, I am all for making sure our babies are healthy and doing well during labour, BUT our hospital seems to have variations of women's positions during monitoring which is frustrating. One midwife told me I would have to stay in bed, another said that some women are able to be on the fit ball may not be able to roam heaps but are able to change positions and get more comfortable. I have in my birth plan a clear indication that I don't want to be monitored constantly, that I want to be able to have breaks shower etc etc... she said today the only option for that would be once my membranes were released attaching a monitor to the baby's skull. And I don't know how I feel about that either. ...this is Redlands Public, but apparently its gone through all of QLD Health public systems that higher risk pregnancy's need constant monitoring during labour. I told the midwife today that under no circumstances would I agree to constant monitoring. I asked her what they could do about it she said nothing really... Why is the answer always 'There's nothing we can do about it'? Makes my blood boil - if enough people care we CAN do something about it... -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required)
What a brilliant quote we can take from you Sue!! "At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy". I'm amazed at how much bullying occurs and how much is gotten away with even now! Amanda - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required") One of my favorite quotes is Gandhi First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win. Similar to a quote I read on JB "All truth goes through 3 stages: Firstly it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, thirdly it is held to be self-evident" Well done for advocating for this woman Joy. We were discussing the National competancy standards at work recently and I held that it is not possible to uphold these in the truest sense whilst working within an obstetric model of care. We cannot truly be women's advocates and work within hospital blanket policies. I was attending a very nice normal birth recently with absolutely no adverse factors and had discussed with the woman leaving the third stage to happen naturally unless otherwise indicated. All was well untill Ob comes in uninvited, unrequested, sees synto drawn up but not given, babe in mum's arms placenta already pushed out by mum (next contraction post baby) and in kidney dish, still attached to baby. Ob goes ballistic and insists on synto being given,saying "there are no medals for haemorrhaging" even though the blood loss was minimal and well within norm, and placenta already out. (so what exactly do we give synto for again) My point being that within the obstetric model- the 'boys' hold the power, the management backs them up. At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy. I tried to discuss with my cnm the fact that I was responsible for giving a drug that was not necessary, so if the woman had an adverse reaction and we were sued, I would be wrong for giving the drug that was not medically indicated. Was just told that I am covered under hosp policy and have to work within them - this does not fit with what I hear about court procedings. Sorry this is a bit rambling - but wanted to add my support to you Joy for holding up under pressure and I agree that perhaps YOU should instigate a meeting to discuss this. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required
Perhaps some of these doctors need to learn these otherindicators of progress? Amanda - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Hi Joy, You have done a great job in beingan advocate for this woman. And you are right in the need to remind him that 'no means no'.To digitally penetrate a woman without her consent is sexual assault. And why does he believe that your need to support him is more of a priority than supporting the woman? It's inappropriate towrite comments like that in the notes. Perhaps he needs to be reminded that midwife means 'with woman' not 'with doctor'! : ) To my knowledge there aren't any studies on outcomes, in relation to whether VE's are done or not.When I worked in a birth centre many women birthed without a VE.There are so many other indicators of progress. Actually my Mum had seven kids and said she NEVER had a VE! Cheers MichelleJoy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Judy and Barb for your support. Yes, the woman did know, as he was trying to convince her and she asked why she needed it and then said no, when he still tried to push for the VE I said firmly "she said no" that's when the proverbial hit the fan. Might need to remind him of the TV ads that no means no ;) After the birth she asked if there was anything she could do to support me. I just said we'll wait and see what eventuates. What really hurt was that he wrote in the notes (where all staff can see) that he was filing an incident report in relation to Joy Cocks not supporting him, so I imagine I am the subject of hospital gossip for a few days! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: B G To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 19:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Congratulations Joy, you did so well for the woman. You were probably so discrete the woman may never have known you had to stand up for her rights and dignity so she could get into her birthing space.Take him on and just remind him that workplace bullying is not a good picture to get in. Take care Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joy CocksSent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 10:51 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Pheewww..Peiter Mourik used to come to our hospital and give inservices when he held clinics there. I would back up Wendy's comments. He's very clever with words and is god's gift to women - always saving them! He believes that midwives canonly beindependant when they can do forceps/ventouse births! Sorry, negative comments after a bad evening when I stood up for a labouring woman who did not wish to have a VE when the GP ob wanted to do one as how else would he know whether she was progressing or not. He's writing an incident report about me for not supporting him.He asked how I planned to manage the labour and I told him that the woman was managing the labour and I would be worried if shebecame worried.The woman proceeded to birth without problem. Just feeling upset and hurt as he is my GP and we usually work well together, but probably most other women are not as strong in standing up for themselves. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: info required I will be meeting with Peter Miourik(obstetrician) amongst others in an informal dinner setting on Friday night as the hospital that I work at is having a review of obstetric services . I believe this is a man who is quite against midwifery led services and I'm a bit puzzled as to why I have been asked to be one of the 2 midwifery reps at this dinner. But very pleased at the same time, and more than happy to be a part of this.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Question of the week.
They need to keep the menigiocele intact, C-section is the best way to ensure this as it is outside the body and is very fragile. They then will perhaps perform an operation to repair it which will help the child to walk and have function in the future. Amanda - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Question of the week. An interesting question from Midwifery Today E News. I am 21 weeks pregnant with my third child, which has been diagnosed with spina bifida. This is quite a shock since my other two children were homebirths and the specialists said I would require a c-section. I understand the need to deliver in a hospital where the baby can receive immediate medical treatment soon after birth, but does anyone know if there is any evidence that c-section is better than vaginal birth when delivering a child with spina bifida? No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 8/3/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 8/3/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC
I think perhaps this is another one that needs to be informed consent, the mother should be made aware of this before hand and should have the right to ask for it to be done properly. Instead of finding out next birth when its too late!!! Amanda - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Gail I've heard of it being sold to women as a great thing because it means they'll be out of OT faster and in recovery with their babies. And yes, in Australia. Of course once you go back to your surgeon and ask if you're allowed (snort!) to attempt (more snorting!) a VBAC, you're not and hey presto instant justification for the surgeon's more convenient path - ERC. I believe in Europe however that single layer is common and yet their VBAC rates are generally higher and UR not thought to be the big scary thing it is here where misinformation is rife. All food for thought, hey?! J - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Hi everybody, For those of you who were at that wonderful homebirth conference in Geelong last month, you may recall Ina May warning us about women in the US whose uterus had been sutured in one single layer instead of two following caesareans and the problems this poses for future VBACs. When I went onto PN ward, I told the staff about this they laughed at me and were adamant that it would never happen here in Australia. Our doctors are too well trained. Guess what? I've gone through the notes this week of caesars done last week this. Two of the women had their uteruses sutured in a single layer. Can't happen here? Just wanted to make you aware it certainly does and is. Regards, Gail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Tragic story
I thought it was because in India most of the Doctors who work on women are female due to their religious beliefs (men not allowed to see women like that unless they are their husbands?). It could also be poor reporting in that they have not pointed out that the only people at the C-section were female staff (how unusual, journalists not reporting the whole story, just the bits that sound good!). At least they seem to be doing something about it (by arresting doctors their hospital system can ill afford to lose, but if they are that incompitent should they be anywhere near a patient?) I for one am thankful I am in Australia! Amanda - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Tragic story Shocking yes, but why doesn't this surprise me, in India. Note no male doctors being arrested just female !! "We have been conducting raids to arrest lady doctors," - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Tragic story I just found this on the BBC website. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4782576.stm Quite shocking to read. Lisax No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/277 - Release Date: 3/8/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
It may also have to do with completely different diets. In Australia it might be due to the fact that they have found Australian women are lacking greatly in folic acidas we do not eat enough foods that contain folic acid. Whereas in Finland they may have found iron for the majority of pregnant women is the problem (high fish diet, low in red meat?). From what I was told to take (still pregnant but past 12 week stage) th dose was .05mg I think? Amanda - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release Date: 2/27/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy
I was always told that one of the best ways to get rid of extra pregnancy kilo's (usually stored as fat)was to breastfeed? whether your start weightat the beginning of pregnancy was110kg or 50kgthere will be excess fatin the body, should we stop breastfeedingfor fear of these toxins? Some women like me (luckily, but only for the first month) lose weight after giving birth very rapidly without even trying, I droped 18kg in two weeks after my second baby was born (I am also overweight). Mothers and Mothers-to-be have enough stress as it is without this, I say- baby healthy, mum healthy then job well done on her behalf! Aren't theremore toxins in the air we breath than thosereleased by fat cells inweight loss? Amanda - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy Hi all,I have been through my lactation textbooks, which are getting a bit ancient I must admit, regarding the safety or otherwise of dieting in pregnancy question. I was able to find a reference to toxins in breastmilk in Breastfeeding Matters by Maureen Minchin on p28-30 "A baby's exposure to toxins may be increased if his mother diets sufficiently to break down body fat during lactation, as fat-soluble chemicals may be excreted in milk. Hence mothers should not aim at rapid weight loss during lactation. " It is easier for chemicals to get to the foetus than it is for them to get to breast fed infants, so one may assume that there is some degree of risk during pregnancy from dieting IF there are pesticides in the mother's fat stores. It may be difficult to assess the degree of risk for a particular woman, but loss of large amounts of fat, particularly fat that has been there a long time,during pregnancy may be inadvisable. I have been trawling through some websites I obtained from a google search and it seems that pesticides in human milk (and presumably in everyone's bodies) are dropping, as many have been banned from use. However the number of sites that I found indicate that this has been of concern to many poeple. Worth a look, but I think the risks are fairly small unless a woman has been working with the chemicals herself or perhaps if she lives on a farm where they have used a lot of these chemicals in the past (they take a long time to break down). On the other side of the coin, I did some searches about dieting in pregnancy and came up with this website for plus-size women:http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/Dieting_and_Pregnancy.html#Dieting%20During%20Pregnancy The other websites which mentioned dieting in pregnancy advised against it due to the additional nutritional requirements of the mother due to the needs of the fetus and physiological changes in the mother. Personally, I always lose weight (up to 10kg) at the start of my pregnancies due to 'morning sickness'. I usually regain this weight, plus a little more, mainly in the last month. My pregnancy outcomes seem to be fine (kids now 7-19 years old). From all of this I think it probably inadvisable to lose large amounts of weight during pregnancy, and particularly for women who may have had exposure to harmful chemicals. However, a smallweight loss, such as that achieved by Judy's friend (6kg), particularly if they are gradual, might be OK. It seems like an area that could do with some more research, however, it is not a topic that lends itself to a randomised controlled trial! Regards, Nicole. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified!
I cried when I read what your lady from Melbourne wrote. Just remembering the way a horrible doctor spoke to me when I was very pregnant with my third who also happened to be a VBAC. Had to see a doctor because it was hospital policy, they had to okay my natural birth decision before I could go ahead with it. My Doula was away and couldn't come to the appointment. His total negative attitude and the fact that he spoke to the inturn rather than to me as if I wasn't even in the room, made my blood boil. Then he decided he guessed they could let me trial labour. God did I wanted to slap him and slap him hard!!! But instead I said thankyou like a good little girl and drove myself home crying uncontrollably all the way (had to go to the hair dressers for app. right away). Composed myself and walked in, made excuses for my puffy eyes (hayfever), when all I wanted to do was scream my head off and rant about this bloody doctor but couldn't. I was so humiliated, felt like such an idiot and thought of all the great stuff I should have said to the doctors face, but because it was standing up for my own rights didn't say a word. Anyway my trial labour turned into a beautiful natural birth, no drugs, no cut, no interference by doctors ( I allowed one to stick a needle in my arm and that was it) birthed with a midwife, student midwife, my husband and my wonderful Doula. On my knees gripping onto my husbands shoulders, with a beautiful baby boy weighing 4540g (yes I have big babies and it can be done!). I hope as a midwife to give every birthing mother that kind of powerful birth (no matter what way the birth ends up), I felt so loved, so cared for, so safe and so empowered there was no question I wanted to do it again. Which by the way I am for the 4th time in May next year. I get so sick of hearing how women are treated by OB's when during pregnancy alot of them are very vulnerable and open to suggestion especially when it come to the OB giving them half truths in regards to what is best for them and their baby. Perhaps it might be suggested that women should have an advocate in with them whenever the have to speak to these OBs either a midwife or someone like that, then maybe those OB's might choose their words a little more carefully!! Sorry! Wow a bit of a rant there! Amanda - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Thanks everyone for your thoughts and replies, it was a huge shock to me but I guess, sadly, that many of you are well used to this. I haven't heard from the woman since Saturday so chances are she's gone into labour. I pray it all went as well as she hoped. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheryl LHK Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 1:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Yes, she can turn up to any public hospital with midwifery services and not be turned away. Tell her to have a copy of antenatal paperwork she has (if she has it!!) and the midwives at the hospital can ring her orginal booking hospital and get any records/pathology faxed over - or at least that has happened to us in the past. This is the sort of obs who needs a complaint written about him!! But it will turn into a he said, she said situation. If she goes back to him, take another person with her!! Cheryl From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:44:48 +1100 One of the girls in my forums here in Melbourne just posted this - no wonder she seemed upset when I saw her yesterday - I had no idea at the time: I have just had the worst night of my life, and its taken me 3 hours to stop crying uncontrollably. My Dr, who I've been seeing throughout my pg is on leave (bereavement), and since I'm at 41 weeks, the midwives I'm seeing sent me to see the OB who's filling in for him. So I go for my appt. First, he does a stretch sweep without asking me or any prior warning. Then he says he's booking me in to be induced tomorrow, which when I questioned it he tells me I'm going to kill my baby cos I'm past 41 weeks. The he goes on to say 'I'm not into any of that airy fairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] You'll deliver on the bed, on your back. I'm not a vet.' So I said I was planning an active birth, (which is what my Dr prefers) and he says I'll have to see someone else and good luck getting in to see anyone else at this stage of the game. So now I have no obstetrician, no doctor and I don't know
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: hospital based midwife
It seems that there are those who feel a midwife working in a hospital setting has sold her/his sole to the devil for doing so. But they are the ones on the front line so to speak who fight every day for the rights of birthing women, without them it would be worse. Yes there are lots of problems in every hospital in regards to care of women, but the fact is women do birth in hospitals and we need our best, most passionate midwives there standing beside them or all is lost and it will all become obstectrics care under doctors sole control with ob nurses. If no one has the passion to work in the hospitals who's left??? We are never going to get anywhere if its so easy for external forces to cause us to turn on each other so easily United we stand, divided we fall??? Yes there are going to be differences of opinion which we are all entitled to express, thats what I love about the country we live in. But we must have one goal and that is to get and give the absolute best care for women and their families no mater whether they turn up at a Birthing Centre, Hospital, in their own home or where ever. We must fight to be the worlds BEST place to have a child and make every pregnant women wish they could birth here no matter where she goes in Australia. This is the first time I have ever written anything on here so as you can tell this has sparked an interest in me. And I hope it makes sence! Amanda - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re: hospital based midwife It is sad to hear yet another hospital midwife feeling under attack. It can be argued that hospital midwives have an even greater role to play in changing the maternity service and catering for women's needs. I turned down the chance of working as an independent in the UK because I believed that the women in hospital needed me more. They were birthing in a strange environment amongst strangers, many in vulnerable social situations. The statistics demonstrated the poor chances these women had of avoiding an instrumental birth or c-section. It is because most women give birth in hospitals, and because the statistics for physiological birth are shocking - that hospital midwives are so important. It is time we asked ourselves how we can improve these outcomes for women and increase satisfaction rates. Many of us are, and as I have said, I have come across far more motivated midwives in the Australian hospital system than the UK. Let's not kid ourselves that there is not a lot to fight for if we do not want to end up as obstetric nurses. We are prevented in many ways from making our own clinical judgements by guidelines, policies etc. We are prevented from developing and maintaining midwifery skills such as waterbirth, suturing, full spectrum care - in some hospitals even catching the baby. It is only by acknowledging our position and refusing to accept that over 30% of women (fit and healthly by global comparison) are unable to give birth without an operation. By looking at our own contribution to individual care and to the midwifery profession. By standing together as midwives regardless of where we practise that we can start to change things for ourselves and the women we care for. We need to stop taking discussion and debate personally and take a leaf out of the drs book. Discuss, question, debate and learn. I am pleased that this debate has drawn some lurkers out to provide us with their valuable perspective we would otherwise have been ignorant of. Rachel - another hospital midwife From: mariet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] re: hospital based midwife Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:30:49 +1100 I wanted to respond to this because it touches something I've felt for a while. I've been a lurker on this list for ages but not a contributor because, despite many years as a midwife (and I use the term advisedly, I don't consider myself an obstetric nurse) I've had the impression from the language used on this forum that the work I do and even the women I look after is somehow not as valuable or important as community based midwifery or birth centre care. I don't for a moment think that this is the stated position of most of the contributors to this list. But to a hospital based midwife it certainly can come across that way. I've never been accused of being a shrinking violet but I haven't cared to expose myself here, to dismissive comments about the place I choose to work or the people I work with. Not all hospital midwives do their 8 or 10 hour shift and ignore it for the rest of the day. People are people. I have had atrocious handovers of care from the midwife on the shift before me. I have also had atrocious handovers of care, or refusal to share
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Perhaps today with women in a hospital setting means to help her by standing inbetween 'hospital policy', or 'the doctors' and the mother. Which I have seen countless times, with my own experiences and looking in from the outside? Amanda - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Dear All Sage words Tania. May seem corny, but I always come back to the fact that midwife means 'with woman' so if as a midwife you are 'with' hospital policies or 'with' pandering to Dr and non-evidence based protocols then where is the woman? Being 'with woman' is not utopia, it is appropriate practice and the right of every woman. As someone very interested in politics I liken this scenario to a politician that is hamstrung by their parties policies and so really cannot say he/she will represent the needs of their constituents, because at the end of the day they will only do it if it conforms to party policy! Perhaps more midwives need to do a Barnaby Joyce and cross the floor voting against the party for things they feel are important!!! I will never be a midwife but as an active consumer I know all about putting it all on the line. Women will lead the change but we also need brave midwives prepared to back women. JC -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: 10/31/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: 10/31/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: hospital based midwife
I mean soul (NOT FOOT!!!) amazing what screaming children will do to your brain!! amanda - Original Message - From: Synnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: hospital based midwife It seems that there are those who feel a midwife working in a hospital setting has sold her/his sole to the devil for doing so. But they are the ones on the front line so to speak who fight every day for the rights of birthing women, without them it would be worse. Yes there are lots of problems in every hospital in regards to care of women, but the fact is women do birth in hospitals and we need our best, most passionate midwives there standing beside them or all is lost and it will all become obstectrics care under doctors sole control with ob nurses. If no one has the passion to work in the hospitals who's left??? We are never going to get anywhere if its so easy for external forces to cause us to turn on each other so easily United we stand, divided we fall??? Yes there are going to be differences of opinion which we are all entitled to express, thats what I love about the country we live in. But we must have one goal and that is to get and give the absolute best care for women and their families no mater whether they turn up at a Birthing Centre, Hospital, in their own home or where ever. We must fight to be the worlds BEST place to have a child and make every pregnant women wish they could birth here no matter where she goes in Australia. This is the first time I have ever written anything on here so as you can tell this has sparked an interest in me. And I hope it makes sence! Amanda - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re: hospital based midwife It is sad to hear yet another hospital midwife feeling under attack. It can be argued that hospital midwives have an even greater role to play in changing the maternity service and catering for women's needs. I turned down the chance of working as an independent in the UK because I believed that the women in hospital needed me more. They were birthing in a strange environment amongst strangers, many in vulnerable social situations. The statistics demonstrated the poor chances these women had of avoiding an instrumental birth or c-section. It is because most women give birth in hospitals, and because the statistics for physiological birth are shocking - that hospital midwives are so important. It is time we asked ourselves how we can improve these outcomes for women and increase satisfaction rates. Many of us are, and as I have said, I have come across far more motivated midwives in the Australian hospital system than the UK. Let's not kid ourselves that there is not a lot to fight for if we do not want to end up as obstetric nurses. We are prevented in many ways from making our own clinical judgements by guidelines, policies etc. We are prevented from developing and maintaining midwifery skills such as waterbirth, suturing, full spectrum care - in some hospitals even catching the baby. It is only by acknowledging our position and refusing to accept that over 30% of women (fit and healthly by global comparison) are unable to give birth without an operation. By looking at our own contribution to individual care and to the midwifery profession. By standing together as midwives regardless of where we practise that we can start to change things for ourselves and the women we care for. We need to stop taking discussion and debate personally and take a leaf out of the drs book. Discuss, question, debate and learn. I am pleased that this debate has drawn some lurkers out to provide us with their valuable perspective we would otherwise have been ignorant of. Rachel - another hospital midwife From: mariet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] re: hospital based midwife Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:30:49 +1100 I wanted to respond to this because it touches something I've felt for a while. I've been a lurker on this list for ages but not a contributor because, despite many years as a midwife (and I use the term advisedly, I don't consider myself an obstetric nurse) I've had the impression from the language used on this forum that the work I do and even the women I look after is somehow not as valuable or important as community based midwifery or birth centre care. I don't for a moment think that this is the stated position of most of the contributors to this list. But to a hospital based midwife it certainly can come across that way. I've never been accused of being a shrinking violet but I haven't cared to expose myself here, to dismissive comments about the place I choose
