Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Birth after uterine rupture??

[jireland]

no i was actully told to have a tubal ligation cheers
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From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Birth after uterine rupture??


> >> i actually had a uterine rupture with my 3rd labour i had had 2
previous
> NVD
> > the next preg was a night mare of negotiation u/s etc and an elective
c/s
> > for swelling around uterine scar which was vertical cervix to mid way to
> > fundus so i guess there is a lot of fear around even getting pregnant
jan
>
> Hi Jan,
> Was the option given to you to try for another vaginal birth?
> I fully understand you having an elective c/s, I am just curious as too
> wether, in circumstances like yours, women are encouraged to try again for
a
> vaginal birth.
> There is a real lack of information out there about this.
>
> Thanks for sharing with us.
> Love Abby
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Birth after uterine rupture??

[jireland]

i actually had a uterine rupture with my 3rd labour i had had 2 previous NVD
the next preg was a night mare of negotiation u/s etc and an elective c/s
for swelling around uterine scar which was vertical cervix to mid way to
fundus so i guess there is a lot of fear around even getting pregnant jan
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From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 5:17 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Birth after uterine rupture??


> Hi,
>
> I was just thinking and started wondering if anyone had been at a vaginal
> birth after a uterine rupture?
> Does a uterine rupture, wether during a vbac or not, then mean vbacs
cannot
> be tried again?
> I realised that I had never read anything regarding this and am very
> interested. I would appreciate all opinions.
> From what I have read about women that have had uterine ruptures, they
wish
> they had never tried for a vbac. Though all the personal stories I have
> read, the women and carers seemed to be very uninformed on the increased
> risks involved with inductions.
>
> Thanks
> Love Abby
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Re: [ozmidwifery] 10 years of Mackay Birth Centre

[jireland]

good luck with your birth there are lots of melb mws closer than me and also
andrea who lives in country try them i live bayside and its just to far
sorry
andrea quanchi 54826283
- Original Message - 
From: Sonia and Alan Martin
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Midwifery services


Hi Jan,
I am considering a home birth.  I live in Rochester (about 2 hrs from
Melbourne).  Do you travel this far?  What are your fees?
I can be contacted by return e-mail or phone (03) 5484 3083.
Thanks,
Sonia
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From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 10 years of Mackay Birth Centre


> Hi Jan, yes Rochester is only 20 min away on the road towards Melbourne,
> I have had a home birth there and have another planned for about six
> weeks time. Why?
> Andrea Q
> On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > hi andrea are u close to rochester ? jan
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 10 years of Mackay Birth Centre
> >
> >
> >> Congratulations and Just a query, what obstetricians do you have up
> >> there?
> >>
> >> I was interested because Norman Morris, one of the ones who was
> >> involved
> >> in the Monash BC went to QLD but I could never recall where
> >>
> >> Andrea Q
> >> On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 04:56  PM, Birth Centre-MBH wrote:
> >>
> >>> 10 years ago today the Mackay Birth Centre was officially opened. We
> >>> were Queenslands first Birth Centre & still only one of 2 in the
> >>> state.
> >>> It's been a bumpy road at times, but with passionate midwives and
> >>> passionate and active consumers we've made it.
> >>> The Friends of the Mackay Birth Centre have planned a Birthday Party
> >>> in
> >>> the grounds of the BC on Sat. & on Thursday 24th (Show day here) we're
> >>> having a past & present midwives lunch.
> >>> Getting wonderful positive local press, too.
> >>>
> >>> So . Happy Birthday to us
> >>> Sue, Marion, Rosie and Julie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] 10 years of Mackay Birth Centre

[jireland]

hi andrea are u close to rochester ? jan
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 10 years of Mackay Birth Centre


> Congratulations and Just a query, what obstetricians do you have up
> there?
>
> I was interested because Norman Morris, one of the ones who was involved
> in the Monash BC went to QLD but I could never recall where
>
> Andrea Q
> On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 04:56  PM, Birth Centre-MBH wrote:
>
> > 10 years ago today the Mackay Birth Centre was officially opened. We
> > were Queenslands first Birth Centre & still only one of 2 in the state.
> > It's been a bumpy road at times, but with passionate midwives and
> > passionate and active consumers we've made it.
> > The Friends of the Mackay Birth Centre have planned a Birthday Party in
> > the grounds of the BC on Sat. & on Thursday 24th (Show day here) we're
> > having a past & present midwives lunch.
> > Getting wonderful positive local press, too.
> >
> > So . Happy Birthday to us
> > Sue, Marion, Rosie and Julie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[ozmidwifery] milkis in thanks for help

[jireland]

shows that we need a donar list or a ebm bank 
thankyou all sooo much jan 

[ozmidwifery] donar milk urgent

[jireland]

any spare gifts of yummy EBM would be much 
appreciated whilst waiting for my mums milk to come in please contact me off 
line thanks jan 

[ozmidwifery] breast milk doners needed

[jireland]

any spare gifts of yummy EBM would be much 
appreciated whilst waiting for my mums milk to come in please contact me off 
line thanks jan 

[ozmidwifery] h2o birth

[jireland]

how long are babies under h2o at water births i 
would say it is seconds only? 

Re: [ozmidwifery] B12

[jireland]

i have often recommended bi2 inj in preg will look 
into it more jan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 5:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] B12
  
  Hi Rochelle:
   
  I was surprised to read that Vit B12 
  administration would be contraindicated in pregnancy. So, I looked it up in 
  the 2003 PDR Nurses drug reference aand found it to be Category A or Category 
  C in doses that exceed the RDA (this is a USA publication so not sure 
  even now how RDA translates). Anyway Category A is interpreted as 
  controlled studies have shown no risk. Category C just means that risk cannot 
  be ruled out usually because "human studies are lacking" and states that 
  potential benefits may justify the potential risks.  Do read the side 
  effects carefully.   An IM preparation would most likely by Category 
  C because of the dosage.
   
  It seems from what you describe that you have 
  some degree of malabsorption of Vit B12. Since this Vitamin is very important 
  for the synthesis of red blood cells and nervous tissue including 
  nucleoprotein and synthesis of myelin for both you, your lactating baby, 
  and your gestating baby I would agree with your GP and advise the IM or deep 
  SC injections. You GP is most likely concerned about the effect on you 
  should you suffer a postpartum haemorrhage or even a moderate blood loss at 
  birth with your low iron stores. You  must weigh the benefits 
  against the risks. However,  discuss this further with your GP if you 
  suffer from allergies (in particular cobalt as this is part of the Vit B12 
  molecule) as there can be significant allergic reactions ranging from itching 
  to anaphylactic shock. It would be usual for you to remain in the GP's office 
  for half an hour to an hour to safeguard this.
   
  marilyn
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Tim & Rochelle 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:55 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] B12

Hello,
 
what do midwives, nurses, naturopaths etc out 
there think about having vitamin B12 shots at the end of my pregnancy. I 
have always been told I have a B12 deficiency but have been previously 
unaware of the actual levels until results almost a year ago showed a 
reading of around 400 (anything over 250 is normal anything under 170 low 
and inbetween is well inbetween.) I had bloods taken at 28 week pregnant - 
now 31 and the results of my B12 came back at 212. My GP has recommended 2 
intramuscular shots prior to the birth, which I was fine with until I got 
the script filled and read the leaflet that says that B12 shots are 
contraindicated in pregnancy and that B12 does cross the placenta. It says 
that B12 should not be used to treat anemia in pregnancy. I am not anemic my 
hemaglobin levels were fine and hadn't dropped much since the start of the 
pregnancy however my iron store is down to 4. (it was 23 a year ago). For 
this I am taking floradix and have upped my pregnancy multi and take it in 
conjunction with ascorbic acid. 
 
I guess I am in need of some direction, Firstly 
is there an issue with the baby receiving B12 in such a way or at such a 
level? and Is it really important for me to get my B12 levels up? If so for 
me or the baby or both? What are the consequences if any of not having the 
shots? Is anyone familiar with B12 issues?
 
By the way years ago I had a schillings test 
which I think concluded that I was unable to efficiently absorb B12 from 
food sources into the blood.
 
I am breastfeeding my 3 year old approx once a 
day.The other thing the leaflet says is, "USE IN LACTATION"
Hydroxocobalamin is distributed into 
breastmilk. Therefore it is not recommended for breastfeeding mothers unless 
the expected benefits to the mother outweigh any potential risk to the 
infant.
 
The prescription is Neo-Cytamen '1000' 
(Hydroxocobalamin Chloride - Vitamin B12)
 
I will do some more research and further 
discuss this with my care providers, but thought someone might have some 
information or an opinion on this this, all responses will be greatly 
appreciated. 
 
Cheers 
Rochelle.

Re: [ozmidwifery] testing

[jireland]

so did oz mid get it?jan

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  From: 
  Deliverywoman 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:43 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testing
  
  I got this one Jan.
  
  
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[ozmidwifery] testing

[jireland]

my messages  are not getting  through 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new

[jireland]

melinda please mail me re arrangments i lost your no jan
- Original Message - 
From: "Melinda Whyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new


> Thanks for the warm welcome Jodie!
> We're glad to be doing so well too :)
>
> Melinda Whyman
>
> NATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNE
> www.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/
> ~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~
> Phone: +61 3 9756 0464
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jodie Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new
>
>
> > Welcome Melinda!  ... and Melissah!
> >
> > Glad to read NP Melbourne is thriving like we knew it would.  :-)
> >
> > Jodie Miller
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 03:53 pm, Melissah & Scott @ Spilt Art wrote:
> > > Hi Melinda!
> > > Good to see you here. :)
> > > Melissah
> > >
> > > www.Splitart.com
> > >
> > >   - Original Message -
> > >   From: Melinda Whyman
> > >   To: OzMidwifery List
> > >   Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:28 PM
> > >   Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new
> > >
> > >
> > >   Hi everyone
> > >   I'm Melinda - mother to 2 gorgeous little guys Finn (4) and Eden
> (15mths)
> > > who were both born at home and bring me daily joy :) I'm "kind of" new
> to
> > > this list in that I've been a member on and off over the
yearsevery
> now
> > > and then I jump off some lists when my enormous email list starts to
> > > overwhelm me. I'm currently a fulltime mum, but have previously worked
> as
> > > Naturopath/Homoeopath - specialising in Natural Fertility, Pregnancy,
> Birth
> > > and Postnatal care. During that time I was very privileged to attend
> some
> > > glorious births (both home and hospital) and can honestly say that
I've
> > > been well and truly bitten by the "birth bug" - I will never tire of
the
> > > sight of a woman in the throes of labour and the seemingly magical
> > > appearance of those wet, warm little heads as they make their way into
> this
> > > world of ours :) Whilst I am not "technically" working at the moment -
I
> am
> > > being kept very busy with being one of the founding co-ordinators of a
> new
> > > non-profit organisation called Natural Parenting Melbourne. Being more
> > > parenting related than my previous work, I am greatly enjoying the
> > > experience of following and supporting the "continuum" that follows
the
> > > huge transition into parenthood called birth. It has been so affirming
> on
> > > both a personal and professional level to meet families who are
securely
> > > committed to nurturing strong attachment and bonding with their
> children.
> > > IMO - the world can never have enough conscious, loving parents.
Looking
> > > forward to listening and learning from you all.
> > >
> > >   Melinda Whyman
> > >
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[ozmidwifery] Re: RWH Homebirth backup referral

[jireland]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: RWH Homebirth backup referral


> i have been using this for months what is new? jan
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Andrea Bilcliff'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Annie Sprague'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Angela Hooper'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Sue Budge'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Sharon Licqurish'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Kusum Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Juanita Engelbrecht'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Ronnie Clarkson'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Robyn Thompson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"'Nicola
> Dutton'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Michelle Carrucan'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Jennie Teskey'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"'Jan
> Ireland'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Clare Lane'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Carey Donohoe'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Bronni McGrath'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Andrea Quanchi'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Nola Aicken'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Jenny Parratt'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Helen Sandner'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:17 AM
> Subject: RWH Homebirth backup referral
>
>
> This message is mainly for independent midwives who use the Royal Women's
> homebirth backup booking service.  Others in rural Vic may be interested
in
> what is provided.
>
> If you have any questions please reply to:
> Karen Evans
> Shared Maternity Care Co-ordinator
> 9344 2699
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> A new form 'Homebirth Backup Referral' has been developed, to replace the
> old patient registration form.
> This referral form can be sent by mail or fax or by hand to Shared Care.
>
> The client held 'Pregnancy Record' (orange strip), and an 'Antenatal
Record
> - Booking' with UR number and stickers will be sent to the midwife after
the
> referral has been processed.
>
> The front page of the booking form should be detached and returned to RWH
> after it has been filled out, with copies of any blood test results that
> have not been done by the hospital.  The duplicate is kept by the midwife.
>
> If the woman gives birth in hospital the Pregnancy Record is kept by the
> hospital.
>
> If the woman gives birth at home and does not use the hospital, the
midwife
> returns the Pregnancy Record to the hospital.
>
> I have suggested to Karen that a 'Birth Report' form be developed, that
the
> midwife can send to the hospital with the Pregnancy Record, giving a
summary
> of the relevant details - similar to the discharge summary that the
> hospitals do.  I have been sending a one-page birth report, giving
> information of date and time of birth, condition of mother and baby, ...
> Others may do a similar report, but to my knowledge there is not
coordinated
> plan.
>
> I appreciate the way RWH has facilitated homebirth backup bookings, and
hope
> we can continue in a mutually supportive manner.
>
> Joy Johnston
>
>
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[ozmidwifery] Re: RWH Homebirth backup referral

[jireland]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "robyn thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: RWH Homebirth backup referral


> I think there are good reasons to create change it wakes people up takes
> homebirth out of the closet and increases the normality of same ie over
the
> last 9 mths since we have had a "home birth unit sticker " the hospital,
> "bureaucratic behaviour"has been exposed to families who chose homebirth .
> It is my opinion that this works favourably or our families ie acceptance
> use of pathology u/s ctg etc and no charge as with gps etc also no need to
> see medical staff I have been working at this for 6 yrs and it is what I
see
> as breakthrough that gets us closer to a collaborative approach homebirth
.
> Jan
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "robyn thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Johnston'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Andrea Bilcliff'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Annie Sprague'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Angela Hooper'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Sue Budge'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Sharon Licqurish'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Kusum Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Juanita Engelbrecht'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Ronnie Clarkson'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Nicola Dutton'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Michelle Carrucan'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Jennie Teskey'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Jan Ireland'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Clare
> Lane'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Carey Donohoe'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Bronni McGrath'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:57 AM
> Subject: RE: RWH Homebirth backup referral
>
>
> > My Questions are:
> >
> > Why change something that is working and has worked for the past 19
> > years without a complication - to something that is much more
> > complicated, time consuming, additional costs and impregnated with
> > bureaucratic behavior?
> >
> > What are the real tangible benefits for these changes - to the women,
> > the midwives and the organization?
> >
> > Looking forward to your responses
> >
> >
> > Kindest regards
> >
> > The worldly wisdom of women and midwives
> > Brings healthy wealth to the future of Nations
> > RT
> >
> >
> > Melbourne Midwifery Pty Ltd (est1986)
> > Independent Midwifery Practice
> > Pregnancy, Homebirth & Breastfeeding
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.melbmidwifery.com.au
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 10:18 AM
> > To: 'Andrea Bilcliff'; 'Annie Sprague'; 'Angela Hooper'; 'Sue Budge';
> > 'Sharon Licqurish'; 'Kusum Wells'; 'Juanita Engelbrecht'; 'Ronnie
> > Clarkson'; 'Robyn Thompson'; 'Nicola Dutton'; 'Michelle Carrucan';
> > 'Jennie Teskey'; 'Jan Ireland'; 'Clare Lane'; 'Carey Donohoe'; 'Bronni
> > McGrath'
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Andrea Quanchi'; 'Nola Aicken'; 'Jenny
> > Parratt'; 'Helen Sandner'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RWH Homebirth backup referral
> >
> > This message is mainly for independent midwives who use the Royal
> > Women's
> > homebirth backup booking service.  Others in rural Vic may be interested
> > in
> > what is provided.
> >
> > If you have any questions please reply to:
> > Karen Evans
> > Shared Maternity Care Co-ordinator
> > 9344 2699
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > A new form 'Homebirth Backup Referral' has been developed, to replace
> > the
> > old patient registration form.
> > This referral form can be sent by mail or fax or by hand to Shared Care.
> >
> > The client held 'Pregnancy Record' (orange strip), and an 'Antenatal
> > Record
> > - Booking' with UR number and stickers will be sent to the midwife after
> > the
> > referral has been processed.
> >
> > The front page of the booking form should be detached and returned to
> > RWH
> > after it has been filled out, with copies of any blood test results that
> > have not been done by the hospital.  The duplicate is kept by the
> > midwife.
> >
> > If the woman gives birth in hospital the Pregnancy Record is kept by the
> > hospital.
> >
> > If the woman gives birth at home and does not use the hospital, the
> > midwife
> > returns the Pregnancy Record to the hospital.
> >
> > I have suggested to Karen that a 'Birth Report' form be developed, that
> > the
> > midwife can send to the hospital with the Pregnancy Record, giving a
> > summary
> > of the relevant details - similar to the discharge summary that the
> > hospitals do.  I have been sending a one-page birth report, giving
> > information of date and time of birth, condition of mother and baby, ...
> > Others may do a similar report, but to my knowledge there is not
> > coordinated
> > plan.
> >
> > I appreciate the way RWH has facilitated homebirth backup bookings, and
> > hope
> > we can continue in a mutually supportive manner.
> >
> > Joy Johnston
> >
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[ozmidwifery] hypnobirthing

[jireland]

can anyone tell me a hypnobirthing practitioner 
client lives in carrum bayside melbourne jan 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Moving to Australia

[jireland]

testing ignore
- Original Message - 
From: "Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Moving to Australia


Hi Wendy,
My husband and Imoved to Australia last August, Its a different life, and
different working also. I had worked in a medium maternity unit in England,
and we wanted to move to Cairns area, I was offered a post in a small
hospital with 240 births in the area, which I presumed was midwifery led, in
fact was quite medicalised, the midwives not even able to perform speculums
for  SRM, I had to ask the Drs. before I could suture, and they even sent me
to work on surgical, medical wards. So if you come beware,
Apart from that the lifestyle is good, I have now moved to another hospital.
Living, if you need to rent, get some references, otherwise they ask for
even more deposit on top of your bond.
Good Luck
Anne

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/02/2004 8:12:17 am >>>
Hello, my name is Wendy.  I am a qualified midwife currently working in a
low risk birthing centre in England.  I, along with my partner and two
children (12 & 9) are considering moving to Australia and I am interested in
talking to anyone who has recently undertaken this huge move themselves who
could give me more of an insight in to what may await us.  My partner,
having been to Australia before, is a keen scuba-diver and would like to
consider Brisbane as the area of choice.  Please contact me if you have any
information that may be of help to us or if you know of anyone in the main
hospitals who have current vacancies.  Thanks Wendy Taberer.





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[ozmidwifery] ignore testing

[jireland]

Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus placenta

[jireland]

hmnn
thats interesting as there is so much less chance 
of an infection as the cord is not open it shrivals up quickly and even if 
placenta was putrid it would take ages to travel down cord and any one with a 
nose would have cut it off way before jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: list 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:24 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus 
  placenta
  
  Does anyone have any information about infection in newborns caused by a 
  Lotus Placenta?  A recent client of another midwife has been reported to 
  the Dept of Community Services child protection unit because she is practicing 
  lotus placenta with her newborn.  What a load of stress to put on a woman 
  because the paediatritions don't know anything about it.  These are the 
  same paeds who didn't know that it was possible for babies to be born in the 
  caul.  Any information gratefully received. ASAP.  
MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of third stage.

[jireland]

i don't know which state u r in ?
- Original Message - 
From: "Dorothy Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:29 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of
third stage.


Hi,

My name is Dorothy and I am currently doing my postgraduate diploma in
Midwifery and I am doing a research paper on the pros and cons of active
versus physiological management of third stage of labour.  What I was
wondering is does anyone know of some good research articles that addresses
this subject I have found a couple but need five for my assignment.  I have
to critique them.   Thanks in advance for any assistance you can give me
with this.

Regards
Dorothy Thomas

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Re: [ozmidwifery] rhesus neg mother

[jireland]

Its not always clear 
there is also the 1per cent rh neg women who are 
isoimmunized during pregnancy no matter what.
 I had a family who had neg abs all through 
preg then after under h2o birth at home routine bloods showed maternal abs 
.
Too late to do any thing
 next preg under med care at ter hosp amnios 
us +++ and elective induction of small baby on u/s at 38 weeks movts stopped 
evening of induction FDIU baby boy born at home  2 DAYS 
LATER    [ trans back to my care ]9lb 10oz hydropic 
baby!!!
next preg misc this preg just had amnio rh neg baby 
yoopee jan
ps that 1% is 0.2%iif anti D given at 28weeks 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Chapman 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:54 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] rhesus neg 
  mother
  
  I have to agree on the horific nature of the hydropic. Prior to my 
  starting my nursing I had my second child in a public hospital. One woman had 
  had a live first child and then got Rh antibodies. When I met her she had just 
  had her seventh child, still born as were the last five. Her first had been 
  killed in an accident at age 7. Needless to say she was a psychological cot 
  case.
  Judymh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  



Hi all,
When I learned about rh isoimmunisation etc 
many years ago I asked about this because my mother is neg, father is pos 
and all 6 of us are pos, born prior to anti-D (my mother had it after the 
last child!) with no difficulty, not even physiological 
jaundice.
 
 IIRC the incidence of isoimmunisation was 
only 10% of neg mothers with pos infants but the consequences are so 
horrific as anyone who's seen a hydropic baby will know, when anti-D was 
available it was welcomed with open arms.
I have no references for this, only mu possibly 
faulty memory.
 
Monica

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 
  9:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] rhesus neg 
  mother
  
  Hi Terry,  That is amazing, but I do know that some Jehova 
  Witness members who have had a similar experience with no harm to their 
  subsequent positive babies.  Puzzling eh?  Cheers, MM
  
 
Hi Kristen,
Some hope, I have had an Rh neg women 
have 4 pregnancies her babies were positive, she declined Anti D for her 
own reasons, and went on to have normal healthy pregnancies and births 
without problems.
Terry Stockdale

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kristin Beckedahl 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 
  3:09 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] rhesus neg 
  mother
  
  
  Dear List,
   
  I have a 33year woman, with a repro history - 4 x TOP, 
  and recently (3-4 weeks) a miscarrige at 12 weeks ( 
  fetus didnt develop much past 7-9 weeks?)  
  She is O -ve blood group and all TOP were followed with 
  Anti-D.  However following the recently complete miscarriage, she 
  was not given Anti-D.  It seems the doctor 'forgot', 'didnt 
  realise' or was incompetent..?!? No D & C was performed.
   
  She is concerned now her future pregnancy will be 
  affected.  Her partner is + ve grp.
  What does she need to do to confirm whether her 
  subsequent preg are at risk? How risky is this for her and 
  babe?
  During TOP or miscarriages does much of the fetus blood 
  pass into the mothers circulation?
   
  Thanks for your help!,
  Kristin
  
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[ozmidwifery] lismore mw

[jireland]

.  Do you know of any independent midwives up 
that way and if not how she can find out?LOOKING IN LISMORE any one 
there ? jan  

Re: [ozmidwifery]So the twins plot thickens

[jireland]

dianne can u contact me of list

  - Original Message - jan
  From: 
  Diane 
  Gardner 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:10 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]So the twins 
  plot thickens
  
  
  Thought you all might like to know what is 
  happening with my twins mum. Thankyou so much for your input. When the couple 
  came again last night my mum was so much more relaxed. Your emails helped her 
  immensley and she was back to the nice relaxed mum again. Even very confident 
  as well.
   
  Her husband has been attending the last 
  couple Ob visits with her and the Ob hasn't been as intimidating when he 
  was there. Apparently last visit on Monday he got out of his chair and went to 
  the door 3 times to usher them out, probably thought he had finished so they 
  had to be too. Her husband piped up and said we haven't finished asking you 
  questions yet. He sat back down in his chair. Yea good on ya Dad!
   
  He is still telling her that he wants her to have 
  an epidural early so that he can manually turn the second twin if need be thus 
  avoiding a cs. Keeps saying that he has only ever needed to do a cs once and 
  has been able to successfully turn the other baby to be born naturally. (his 
  idea of naturally is quite a bit different to mine - apparently his naturally 
  means vaginally). With her hubby and myself at the birth she has 2 
  labour ward guardians in case he tries to pull any swiftys (I will be very 
  aware of the medical needs though if they should arise). Did I read somewhere 
  on this site that you can support the uterus after the first twin is born so 
  that the second is in a better position and less likely to go transverse or 
  breech?
   
  This has been very much a learning experience for 
  me and thanks to you guys I have a much better understanding of twin births 
  now. The Ob was saying that there are only 6 Ob's in Melbourne that will 
  "allow" a natural birth. How sad! I certainly understand why mums are so 
  pleased to have home births.
   
  Why do we have to fight s hard to have what 
  is rightfully ours. A beautitful birth like nature intended. I am not being 
  naive when I say that as I know that sometimes circumstances arise but 
  gees..do those circumstances have to be so programmed in. Being an NLP 
  practitioner I know only too well how we are programmed for things to 
  happen and they are not always a positive programming.
   
  Diane
  
   
  

[ozmidwifery] global win promotions

[jireland]

what is the website that exposes hoaxes today i was 
told i had won half a million dollars and had 1 week to claim ! jan

[ozmidwifery] h2o in hospitals

[jireland]

i will retire when i have seen a h2o birth in all 
metropolitan hospitals and the way things are going could be soon. 
jan

[ozmidwifery] shepprton area mippp

[jireland]

anyone able to help ?
Hi Jan> >> > I saw your name on 
the Maternity Coalition site, but the phone number >did> > not 
give away the region you live in.  I thought maybe the "vtown" in 
>your> > email address might have stood for Violet Town??  
If so, what is the >area> > that you cover - we are from 
Tatura, a bit far away I think, but you may>be> > able to 
provide some other contacts for a private midwife in 
the>Shepparton> > area.> >> > If you are 
not from this area - I am sorry to bother you!!> >> > 
Thankyou> > Cheers> > Kylie and Tom> >> 
> _> 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA] give me some questions

[jireland]

who is there 24/7?
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sandi 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA] 
  give me some questions
  
  Who can help you get your baby to the 
  breast within 30 mins post birth?
  Your midwife!
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
mel gregory 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:40 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA] 
give me some questions

 

 

 
- Original Message - 
From: mel gregory 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:27 PM
Subject: [MatCoWA] give me some questions

Hello all a leaflet is being put together as a 
consciousness raising exercise ...more info when it gets off the gound 
...for now.All I need from you is some QUESTIONS
and to make it more interesting the answer must 
be 'midwives '
Okay ..does that make sense?
 For example  Q. Who should be a 
womans primary carer during pregnancy ?
A. a midwife
 
okay then ..I expect lots of intersting stuff 
very soon 
yours in anticipation 
Mel 

  
  
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[ozmidwifery] graves disease and breastfeeding

[jireland]

I have a client who has graves disease. She is 
taking 3 50 mgs propylthiouracil 3 times a day. I would like to know if anyone 
has any information regarding the effects this medication may have on 
breastfeeding a 7 week old boy. The boy has no thyroid problems. Also, if this 
medication is increased will there be any effects on the 
breastfeeding.
 
Thanks for any help you can give 
me.jan
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Nathaniel's birth story...Warning Long.

[jireland]

dear weaver sas
thanks for sharing and I hope it helps to write and reflex on events . Don't
see any reason for not continuing on with your family many women with
surgery on their uterus have had babies love and joy to your family Jan
- Original Message -
From: *G and S* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:14 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Nathaniel's birth story...Warning Long.


> NATHANIEL'S BIRTH
>
>
> Nine short months have passed since Nathaniel's birth. He is a
sweet-natured
> baby, very placid and incredibly patient. Just like his father. There is
no
> hint in his nature of his traumatic birth.
>
> As we are natural family planners, and my cycle was very predictable, I
knew
> at only three weeks that I needed a pregnancy test. My husband (Gh) and I
> were overjoyed when that faint pink line appeared on the test. This would
be
> our fifth child; two in nappies and all under ten.  I began to brace
myself
> for another long sojourn through pregnancy. My due date was 7th January,
> 2003.
>
> At sixteen weeks, I took those first few official  pregnancy steps and
> visited an obstetrician recommended by a couple of close friends. They did
> tell me that he was a little 'laid back', but all the same, they thought
he
> would suit me.
>
> Boy were they wrong! Yes, he was very pleasant and  relaxed. He, however,
> required me to strip down to nothing for the initial examination. I
clutched
> anxiously at my bra hoping to keep some semblance of dignity but alas that
> was to go with the rest of my attire. Some women might feel fine about
this
> form of 'thoroughness', but for me, having nursed people and respected
their
> vulnerability, I was not at all impressed. So, after consulting a midwife
> friend, I transferred to another obstetrician (Pob). He seemed just fine.
>
> Apart from my routine discomforts and sleeplessness, my pregnancy had
> coasted along nicely. There was no sign of the blood pressure  problems I
> had in previous pregnancies. I recall more than once saying to Pob
'There's
> got to be a catch'. And there was.
>
> At thirty-eight weeks, Pob remarked that I was carrying high, as usual.
But
> he seemed to stop and rethink. A quick ultrasound confirmed that my baby
was
> breech. I knew immediately that this would mean my first caesarian
section.
> I cried from shock, from fear and anxiety. Pob meanwhile found the
necessary
> paperwork. I filled out the forms and even went straight to the
> anaesthetists' rooms, all the while in a state of disbelief. I had not
> counted on major abdominal surgery being a part of my baby's birth.
>
> The c.section was booked for the end of that week. I went into hospital
the
> evening before, as I was quite anxious.  I knew that a caesarian section
> wasn't to be undertaken light-heartedly and it pains me now to hear of
women
> requesting this proceedure for convenience or to avoid the pain of
birthing.
>
> That night, a final ultrasound estimated my baby's weight (wrongly as it
> turned out) at 11 lbs 1 oz. And of course he had turned! After some
> discussion with Pob, we decided to go ahead with the c.section as planned,
> because of the unstable lie factor. The alternative was to wait a week or
> more in hospital.
>
> The next morning I woke at 6.30 and was promptly seen by a rather
> bleary-eyed anaesthetist. Pob came in soon after and felt my abdomen. He
now
> thought that baby was transverse. I was becoming more and more uptight by
> the minute. Gh was with me the whole time and was quietly reassuring.
>
> Down in theatre I was pleased to meet the assisting doctor, who was a
> semi-retired obstetrician. His name was always mentioned with great
> reverence and affection. I felt some comfort knowing he was there but I
> still had a great sense of unease.
>
> As the spinal anaesthetic was administered, I was able to look out a
window.
> I remember seeing a woman walking her dog over vacant land. I longed to
> change places with that woman.   I was soon brought back to reality when
my
> blood pressure suddenly went up. It was brought down with some
> pharmaceutical intervention and I immediately vomited.
>
> Gh arrived soon after, dressed in his glamorous theatre gear, and was
seated
> beside me. The procedure began. You make me feel like a natural woman (ha
> ha) was playing in the background. Pob was telling us what he was doing
step
> by step. Suddenly there was nothing. No music, talking - nothing. The only
> thing I remember was the occasional mumble from the obstetricians. I
really
> have no idea how long it was until my baby was born.
>
> They didn't give me my baby right away. A pediatrician whisked him aside.
> Pob popped his head over the still-raised screen to explain what had
> happened. Apparently as he cut transversely through the wall of my uterus,
> he had severed an unseen venous sinus. It was about the size of two thumbs
> put together.
>
> I had suddenly started to haemorrhage. The older obstetri

Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

[jireland]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long



Justine u wrote 
As for independent homebirth practitioners, we 
legally don’t have them (this is the choice women are most unable to access) 
there is no respect for the professionalism of midwifery outside the system (by 
Government) as they have not only refused to assist with indemnity but in NSW 
 and VIC have made it illegal for any health practitioner to practice 
without insurance.
 
 
WOW I am sure that it is not illegal to 
practise in vic PLEASE COMMENT MORE jan ireland

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Justine Caines 
  To: OzMid List 
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:30 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really 
  there for women ? long
  
  Hi Julie and allI totally agree. 
 Collaboration is the way forward but medical control of midwifery is 
not collaboration, collaboration is a 2 way street not something dictated by 
Obstetrics.  Midwives must have an  scope of practice in their own 
right (and this is what the Dutch do).  We need to acknowledge that 
midwives are experts in the normal and that when conditions change they 
collaborate and refer to other providers.  This is what the ACMI 
national guidelines for referral and transfer are going to be used 
for.As for independent homebirth practitioners, we legally don’t 
have them (this is the choice women are most unable to access) there is no 
respect for the professionalism of midwifery outside the system (by 
Government) as they have not only refused to assist with indemnity but in 
NSW  and VIC have made it illegal for any health practitioner to 
practice without insurance.Public funded homebirth is a very 
important choice as it will allow so many more to access it.  It will 
no longer be an elite private service.  However there is no evidence 
for and significant evidence against a homebirth program being managed in 
the acute setting.  Obstetricians are not trained in normal birth. 
 The safety and success of homebirth is in the relationship and trust 
between midwife and woman (not obstetric protocol).Birth Centre 
transfer statistics and protocols speak volumes.  Once again obstetric 
control “allows” a little bit of midwifery and then reins in where it sees 
fit (often against evidence and not in the best interests of women). 
 With the current ‘obstetric crisis’ we have the best opportunity to 
develop stand alone midwifery programs.  We do not need to accept a 
re-hash of what we have now. The UK now has 70 odd freestanding birth 
centres and some very positive work on providing all women who want 
homebirth with it and providing women with the real facts on C/S risk. 
 So no we don’t need to ‘speak’ Dutch!! JustineActing 
National President Maternity CoalitionNational Co-ordinator, Homebirth 
AustraliaMum of 3 and a halfDear 
JustineWe all know there are better models of care for example in 
Holland but to transplant that model here, rapidly would be about as 
difficult / impossible as trying to change our culture to the extent of 
making Australian’s speak the Dutch language.If we have birth 
centres, midwifery group practice, hospital based homebirth models and 
independent homebirth practitioners – then women have a range of options 
from which to choose.If we prevent one of these then we are limiting 
women’s choices.In solidarity, we need to be working together, to 
strengthen ALL options, which empower women and midwives to work 
together.For credibility, it needs to be evidenced based and collaborative 
in approach. The Dutch collaborate.Warmest 
regards,JulieJulie Clarke 
CBEChildbirth and Parenting EducatorACE Grad-Dip 
SupervisorNACE Advanced Educator and 
Trainer Transition into Parenthood9 Withybrook 
PlSylvania NSW 2224.T. (02) 9544 6441F. (02) 9544 
9257Mobile 0401 2655 30email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine 
CainesSent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 7:39 PMTo: OzMid 
ListSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? 
long
No Jan not just one to one midwifery, but 
  stand alone midwifery where midwives and women decide what is best and 
  when they need medical assistance.  To me Birth Centres continue to 
  set women up while ever they are under medical control.  A penny for 
  every time I’ve heard I went to the BC and wanted natural but I just 
  couldn’t etc etc!NZ with it’s radically better system has not seen 
  the outcomes it should have and the Kiwi’s say this is because of the 
  medical protocols underpinning the system.  This is why we can’t 
  settle for midwifery programs under the acute setting AT ALL! and this is 
  what NMAP says.  I think s

[ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

[jireland]

THEY ARE A HEALTHY HAPPY, WELL PREPARED AND 
CONFIDENT COUPLE BOOKED INTO BIRTH CENTRE AN TAKING MW ALONG 
 
1ST BABE TERM PLUS 5 DAYS srom SMIDGEN OF MEC  
CTG PERFECT 2hrs later and she is in good labour standing with monitor on 
working happily adjusted well with transfer and then the grand pooh barr 
arrives 
minimal intro of self no intro of others [4 others 
in total] up on bed umm get the portable U/S and see what the PP part 
is.
Oh its head first she says  he glares at her they 
rush to his command TO GET THE U/S MACHINE 
 
I introduce myself he nods I ask if he knows I am 
an independent midwife he tells me he knows EVERY THING ignores me and 
turns to woman glumly he says  
 
I am sorry u have meconium do u know what that 
means?
 
yes she said that is why I am here the baby has 
done a pooh and thetas probably normal but I will need to adjust my 
birthing plans to include the monitor 
 
meconium is serious HE SAYS  yesterday a baby died 
because of meconium all nod 
 
the young dad to be bravely said but our baby looks 
great on monitor 
 
nothing to do with it this baby was on monitor and 
by the time we got to theatre it was dead sigh meconium
 
we could do a c/Ds now and hope for best 

 
she looked defeated he cried in fear 
 
and
 
 they all stood behind him looking grave 
and  nodding and I thought wow is this for real?
 
This is why one to one midwifery care from a known 
midwife must happen to stop this abuse
Jan 

Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal monitoring

[jireland]

my apologies to the couple and colleagues Jan 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:57 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal 
  monitoring
  
  mary have u changed your address? jan 
  daer mary i sent a lovely couple to you she was 
  tall and french and he dark and hand some they were all keen on home birth 
  have they had their yet lots of love jan 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: list 
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:54 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] fetal 
monitoring




 


  
  
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20030826-33# Revisiting the use of the 
  electronic fetal monitor - Lancet , vol 361, no 9356, February 2003, 
  pp 445-446 Thacker SB; Stroud 
  DF - (February 2003)
  
 
Concerns about the efficacy and safety of routine 
  electronic fetal monitoring in labour have led expert 
  panels in the USA and Canada(1,2) to recommend that such 
  monitoring be limited to high-risk pregnancies. The latest 
  systematic review supports that concern;(3) yet, the use 
  of electronic fetal monitoring in low-risk pregnancies 
  continues to expand globally. The identification of 
  high-risk pregnancies that would benefit from the use of 
  electronic fetal monitoring during labour remains an 
  important research issue. In this issue of The Lancet, 
  Lawrence Impey and colleagues report the results of a 
  randomised controlled trial that assessed the efficacy of 
  admission cardiotocography for 8580 low-risk women in 
  labour as measured by reductions in the rate of neonatal 
  and maternal morbidity and mortality. Like the 1985 trial 
  from the same institution that assessed the efficacy of 
  intrapartum fetal monitoring,(4) this study is carefully 
  designed and well conducted. Taken together with similar 
  findings from the only other reported trial of this 
  intervention,(5) the conclusion that routine use of 
  cardiotocography for 20 minutes on admission to the 
  delivery ward does not improve neonatal outcome is 
  reasonable. Several aspects of the Impey report deserve 
  comment. The investigators were very careful in the 
  implementation of their trial. Randomisation of women to 
  the treatment or control group was blinded and 
  statistically based. The authors used an appropriate 
  intention-to-treat analysis and prespecified any subgroup 
  analyses. Non-parametric methods were used appropriately 
  when data failed to satisfy Gaussian assumptions. The 
  analysis examined the effect of changing the method of 
  randomisation during the trial. One concern about the 
  study design is that the power calculation assumed a 50% 
  reduction in risk, whereas practitioners might find a 25% 
  reduction clinically meaningful. This issue, along with 
  difficulties in generalising to other populations from two 
  trials (the Impey study and Mires et al(5)) done in 
  populations at similar risk, may mean that further trials 
  are still warranted. The finding that there was no 
  increase in caesarean delivery rate, for example, could 
  relate to a low rate of caesarean delivery at this 
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal monitoring

[jireland]

mary have u changed your address? jan 
daer mary i sent a lovely couple to you she was 
tall and french and he dark and hand some they were all keen on home birth have 
they had their yet lots of love jan 

  - Original Message - 
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  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: list 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:54 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] fetal 
  monitoring
  
  
  
  
   

  


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  20030826-33# Revisiting the use of the 
electronic fetal monitor - Lancet , vol 361, no 9356, February 2003, 
pp 445-446 Thacker SB; Stroud DF - (February 
2003)

   
  Concerns 
about the efficacy and safety of routine electronic fetal 
monitoring in labour have led expert panels in the USA and 
Canada(1,2) to recommend that such monitoring be limited to 
high-risk pregnancies. The latest systematic review supports 
that concern;(3) yet, the use of electronic fetal monitoring 
in low-risk pregnancies continues to expand globally. The 
identification of high-risk pregnancies that would benefit 
from the use of electronic fetal monitoring during labour 
remains an important research issue. In this issue of The 
Lancet, Lawrence Impey and colleagues report the results of 
a randomised controlled trial that assessed the efficacy of 
admission cardiotocography for 8580 low-risk women in labour 
as measured by reductions in the rate of neonatal and 
maternal morbidity and mortality. Like the 1985 trial from 
the same institution that assessed the efficacy of 
intrapartum fetal monitoring,(4) this study is carefully 
designed and well conducted. Taken together with similar 
findings from the only other reported trial of this 
intervention,(5) the conclusion that routine use of 
cardiotocography for 20 minutes on admission to the delivery 
ward does not improve neonatal outcome is reasonable. 
Several aspects of the Impey report deserve comment. The 
investigators were very careful in the implementation of 
their trial. Randomisation of women to the treatment or 
control group was blinded and statistically based. The 
authors used an appropriate intention-to-treat analysis and 
prespecified any subgroup analyses. Non-parametric methods 
were used appropriately when data failed to satisfy Gaussian 
assumptions. The analysis examined the effect of changing 
the method of randomisation during the trial. One concern 
about the study design is that the power calculation assumed 
a 50% reduction in risk, whereas practitioners might find a 
25% reduction clinically meaningful. This issue, along with 
difficulties in generalising to other populations from two 
trials (the Impey study and Mires et al(5)) done in 
populations at similar risk, may mean that further trials 
are still warranted. The finding that there was no increase 
in caesarean delivery rate, for example, could relate to a 
low rate of caesarean delivery at this hospital compared 
with other institutions. The study by Impey and colleagues 
provides no evidence that the routine use of 
cardiotocography for 20 minutes on admission is effective 
for identifying pregnancies that will benefit from 
electronic fetal monitoring in labour, but additional 
trials, particularly among high-risk populations, might 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: presentation - words of wisdom?

[jireland]

I think thats it it has to come from the woman ie  
I want an active birth. ie Thanks fior that information but at the moment I dont 
want whatever ie arm ctg 
Yes its possible in a public hospital to be in 
charge as long as the midwife supports the woman and thats the problem to often 
the mw has her own agenda ie active birth no drugs intact perinem time 
management etc if a woman is making an informed chioce then we should support 
her . [also give har alternatives etc ]
Recently I supported a woman through her planned 
c/s no medical reason the woman had a wonder ful birth experience and her baby 
and her are bonded and b/f with passion. Her last birth was "normal" and she had 
severe PND was medicated b/f a disaster and problems with 4 yr old still .She 
needed to run the show and she did jan ps it was hard for me 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nola 
  Aicken 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:03 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: presentation - 
  words of wisdom?
  
  Thanks Jo and Melissa for your responses. Whilst 
  your comments are invaluable, I was actually wondering about midwives 
  perceptions on whether they think it is possible to have an active birth in a 
  public hospital. As a clinician myself, I find that it is becoming a rarity to 
  see a woman come into the unit in which I work and have an active 
  birth, without some form of intervention. Indeed it is not all about 
  the obstetrical model. The last woman I cared for in labour, during a 
  night shift, was in the unit 10 minutes and stated, "I want an epidural. It is 
  my right!" That's a hard call!
   
  Nola
   
   

[ozmidwifery] solids for 11mth old

[jireland]

a mother who is fully b/f her baby on demand at 11 
months is asking me why her daughter has to have food? I chatted about fe oral 
experiences teeth social and food experiences.
the mother would like a ref for introducing solids 
that are organic and wheat and diary free any good info or web sites etc jan 

[ozmidwifery] whats happening ?

[jireland]

bad run? 
unbelievable 5 births this month3 c/s trans from 
homebirth 1 normal del priv hosp 1 normal del home what is happening  
bewildered tired and yuk jan 

Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[jireland]

Twilight sleep was OMNOPON AND SCOPOLAMINE and the babies survived very 
well I have used it about 25 yrs ago mostly for women having their baby adopted 
or having a stillborn baby they yelled with pain but remember on one leval 
nothing jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lesley 
  Kuliukas 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Rather ironically this was promoted by the feminist movement. It was a 
  German technique adopted by the Americans as a way to emancipate women from 
  the pain of labour and so free them from the sexist burden of childbirth 
  pain.
  Lesley
  .
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:00 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?

Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it 
was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with it it 
in 1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and nearly 
died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for 
"painless labour".  It was painless alright because women were 
unconcious and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM
 - Original Message - 

  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural 
delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into 
hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep 
and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or 
in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
days - i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  


  
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[ozmidwifery] genital herpes

[jireland]

GH at 36 weeks what would u do anticipating a 
homebirth jan 

[ozmidwifery] chicken pox

[jireland]

Ihave aclient who is 16 wks pregnant and her son 
has chicken pox we had long chates and she decided to test for abs she has none 
the dr suggested an inj of immunoglobulins which he says are harmless to the 
fetus 
anyone there know any thing? 
jan 

[ozmidwifery] Re: [ukmidwifery] pe induction

[jireland]

Thanks for replys the mother with severe PE NEEDED TO BE DELIVERED A C/S OR
TRY INDUCTION AT 33 WEEKS ?
The mother decided on c/s on the monday then that mornig bravley changed her
mind tues morning had prosten gel that evening went to LW lots of high blood
pressuresblood tests later on wed morning the head was down the cx ripe she
had an ARM and syntocinon was upright and active and delivered 4 hrs later a
well 1.966grm baby with apgars of 9 and 10 she had no analgesia and post del
held her baby close skin to skin for 1 hr during which time the baby found
the breast and feed .
we sent 10 mls of antte natal colostrum with babe and before long had
another 10 mls that gives us a 4 hr start on suppling babes needs which will
be a struggle any tips
jan
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From: Jennifer Vaudin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ukmidwifery] pe induction


> >Hi Jan,
> >Did you get any responses to your question other than from Sarah? No
longer
> >working in a hospital myself, I'd be really interested to know what the
> >current practice/recommendations are re: induction or caesarean at 33
weeks
> >for pre-eclampsia.
> >Andrea Bilcliff
>
>
> I've seen research that indicates that neonatal outcomes are as good
> for induction even earlier than this, but high likelihood of failure
> (IIRC >50%). But ?greater likelihood of success in a multip. I don't
> think I would agree to ARM personally in these circumstances, but a
> couple of doses of Prostin I would try. As her midwife you could help
> to ensure that the birth is no more medicalised than it needs to be
> or she wants eg positions
>
> There's a pre-eclampsia support list.
>
> 1: J Matern Fetal Med 2001 Oct;10(5):305-11 Labor induction for the
> preterm severe pre-eclamptic patient: is it worth the effort?
> Blackwell SC, Redman ME, Tomlinson M, Landwehr JB Jr, Tuynman M,
> Gonik B, Sorokin Y, Cotton DB. Division of Maternal-Fetal Medicine,
> Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Wayne State University,
> Detroit, Michigan, USA. OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to
> examine the success rate of labor induction in patients with severe
> pre-eclampsia delivered at X/= 34 weeks' gestation; to identify
> factors associated with its success; and to evaluate neonatal
> outcomes based on induction success or failure. METHODS: We
> identified pregnancies complicated by severe pre-eclampsia delivered
> at < 28 weeks.
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[jireland]

thanks that would be great jan
- Original Message -
From: Sally Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola


> there is a place just off malvern road that offers hypnobirthing, wil find
> out details if you wish.
>
> Sally
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:22 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola
>
>
> >
> > from client can someone help?
> > have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem
> thanks
> > in anticipation jan
> > what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> > > areola at the moment?
> > >
> > > Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> > > yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's
in
> > the
> > > US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
> > >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[jireland]

Iwould love a photocopy and there are n signs f thrush she is 28 weeks
pregnant jan
- Original Message -
From: Lois Wattis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola


> Hello Jan - regarding the Hypnobirthing query -
> A fellow midwife found me a one-page article published in the latest
> "Wellbeing" magazine on Hypnobirthing - Australian based info and
contacts.
> Let me know if you would like me to post you a photocopy.  Quite a good
> theoretical description of it, though I felt it was a bit weak in the
> 'scientific explanation '. Cheers, Lois
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:22 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola
>
>
>
> from client can someone help?
> have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem
thanks
> in anticipation jan
> what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> > areola at the moment?
> >
> > Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> > yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
> the
> > US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
> >
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[ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola

[jireland]

from client can someone help?
have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem thanks
in anticipation jan
what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> areola at the moment?
>
> Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in
the
> US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr!
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth centre

[jireland]

they all read this list. Just be yourself jan
- Original Message - 
From: Ken Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:50 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth centre


> 
> Am being interviewed for a position in the birth centre at the
> angliss Hospital, Ferntree Gully.  Any-one have any info, good or bad?
> Maureen
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine at Birth

[jireland]

ditto Mary jan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:29 
PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine 
  at Birth
  
  Sandra, thank you for your frank discussion of hep B vacc at birth on 
  this list and the "birth talk" list.  I am definitely not supportive of 
  this agenda and thankfully as I practice in homebirth, I do not have to give 
  this vaccination..actually I would refuse and refer parents to a GP if they 
  did want it.  MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Always Greener

[jireland]

 
Its oppurtune that u say that, an unmedicated woman 
doesn't need to be told to push.  Last night I was at a very normal birth 
2nd babe undunder water at home and the mother was caught up in speed of 
birth and after the head birth nothing happened in next contractions as the mum 
was so ,"tight" so I felt i had to tell her to push even then it wasn't 
instant  So I guess its not good to have hard and fast rules love jan  


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christina 
  & Damien 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:40 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Always 
  Greener
  
  The episode last night of an unplanned homebirth (due 
  to a car not starting  to get them to hospital) was not too bad 
  considering the crappy way most births are portrayed on T.V. 
  My 2 gripes are: Childbirth is not a great time for 
  cow jokes,  and unmedicated women don't need to be told to 
  push!
  I often think that the main function of antenatal 
  classes is to undo all the bad messages that women get from T.V. and 
  magazines.
  Christina.

Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation at term

[jireland]

I think it's that there is NO prcieved risk with 
c/s. jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 2:54 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech 
  presentation at term
  
  it is sad, Tania and that is how it "normally" 
  goes. I talked  with a woman recently who had a c/s for her third baby 
  since it was breech after having had 2 previous normal vaginal births. The 
  reason given her was essentially lack of practitioner skill with vaginal 
  breech birth and consequently the  danger of it (maybe it was around 
  the other way- some listener bias here) and she was also told that ecv was now 
  considered too dangerous so was advised against it. She was only 38 + weeks 
  with the bum not engaged when she received the cesarean and both her other 
  babies had gone to 41+ weeks. Is there any evidence to support this statement 
  about ecv's at term? It isn't what I have studied, researched, or heard 
  before. That didn't come out of the term breech trial too did it?
   
  marilyn
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Tom, Tania and 
Sam Smallwood 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:37 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] re: breech 
presentation at term

To all who were so supportive and helpful,
 
My friend has just rung me and informed me that her baby 
is head down!  She had a couple of sessions of accupuncture and 
moxibustion, which made her baby extremely active, and then saw a 
chiropractor, and did lots of visualisation, meditation, playing music to 
her baby, and postural stuff at home, and voila!  She is absolutely 
blown away by the responses from this list, I printed them out for her 
(thankyou Andrea for the link to your page, the moxibustion stuff was 
great), and now eagerly awaits labour and hopefully an empowering 
birth.  What a pity she received no encouragement, ideas, or 
instruction whatsoever from the practitioner she sees as her primary 
maternity care provider, and pays good money to consult, except that they 
would wait and see and then if her baby was breech at term she would be 
booked in for a section.  Sad isn't it.  
 
Thanks once again
 
Tania
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] ?Cx shut down

[jireland]

Sally your quite right esp with a pp high in pelvis 
the cx is held open by bag of membranes . also the pos you do the ve in makes a 
diff ie gravity or beatle pos love jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 
  Westbury 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 7:37 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] ?Cx shut 
  down
  
  
  I have 
  recently had a client at 8cm with buldging membranes 
  who after transfer to hospital and ARM was 5cm. The doctor then abused me and 
  told me that I was misleading him about how far along she was. What would be 
  the point of that!! Cervix do change
   
  Sally 
  Westbury
  Homebirth 
  Midwife
  "In 
  any society, the way a woman gives birth and the kind of care given to her and 
  the baby, points as sharply as an arrowhead to the key values of the 
  culture.
  ~Sheila 
  Kitzinger-Women as Mothers
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] swanhill homebirth

[jireland]

october  love jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Andrea 
  Quanchi 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:21 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] swanhill 
  homebirth
  Jan, Swan hill is two hours past Echuca and 2 1/2 from Mildura. 
  Haven't heard of anyone there who is working outside the hospital but you 
  never know. When is she due?Andrea QuanchiOn Wednesday, February 12, 
  2003, at 01:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A client wants me to go to 
swanhill for a birth now thats a long way whos theere and what midwifery 
models are available 
jan

[ozmidwifery] swanhill homebirth

[jireland]

A client wants me to go to swanhill for a birth now 
thats a long way whos theere and what midwifery models are available jan 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth through water

[jireland]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth through water



Dera JULIE COULD U PLEASE send the list of web 
sites thankyou jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Clarke 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:15 
  AM
  Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Birth through 
  water
  
  
  Dear 
  Rosemary 
  Desert Rose Midwife at 
  Alice Springs  - message for you 
  below – please scroll down.
  hug
  
  Julie 
  Clarke
  Childbirth 
  and Parenting Educator
  Transition 
  into Parenthood
  9 
  Withybrook Pl
  Sylvania  NSW  2224
  T. 
  (02) 9544 6441
  F 
  (02) 9544 9257
  M. 
  0401 265 530
  email 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: Shea 
  Caplice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Monday, 10 February 
  2003 7:55 PMTo: Julie 
  ClarkeSubject: Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] Birth through water
   
  
Thanks 
julie I am not on Oz midwifery so my suggestion is that she tries to come to 
the waterbirth day in Adelaide on Feb 27th which covers all those questions. 
My email is on the back of the video so if you would like to let the list 
know I am open for inquiries. Thank you so much for passing the info on I am 
unable to be on oz midwifery as it creates too much traffic for 
meBlessings SheaDear SheaI saw this on ozmid 
and thought I’d forward it on to you – Would you have any advice to 
offer?Julie 
ClarkeChildbirth and 
Parenting EducatorTransition into 
Parenthood9 
Withybrook PlSylvania 
 NSW  2224T. 
(02) 9544 6441F 
(02) 9544 9257M. 
0401 265 530email 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rosemary & Wayne 
WeckertSent: Saturday, 8 
February 2003 4:50 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth through 
waterHello all you wise consumers and 
midwivesI am requesting information 
about birth through water in the public health system. Policies, procedures, 
protocols, learning packages or accreditation course for midwives. etc. etc. 
My interest for 2003 is to make this choice available in our hospital, or 
maybe it's a dream, or a perfomance development plan. Anyway any good texts 
or course providers. We have the video The Art of Birth produced by Shea 
Caplice and Teya Dusseldorp, very inspiring great to see Jan Robinson and 
others at work. I have to put the case to the medical team as well as 
hospital management, I know it will be a long process but we have to start 
somewhere. I will be working on the consumers as well through the Childbirth 
Education Association, who incidently have taken NMAP on board with an 
article in the latest newsletter and the petition being advertised in the 
office.A new midwife to our unit from 
England said our baths would not be suitable because of back care for the 
midwife! My response was that from what I've read the baby is birthed by the 
mum, hands off by the midwife, so why should there be a 
 problem!!Anyway just the first of many 
quips I'm sure.I'll be waiting patiently for a 
response.regards 
RosemaryDesert Rose 
MidwifeAlice Springs 

   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Info on Rhesus negative births

[jireland]

Title: Message



If the baby was jaundice at birth then this is a 
case where medical intervention and maternal separation is warranted. This may 
be  a result of isoimmunization where the mothers antibodies which she 
produced in her last pregnancy [1.5% chance with good antenatal and 
postnatal surveillance ] have attacked the babies red blood cells and the baby 
needed to be born for medical care before it became very anaemic 
and extremely unwell.
 There is no reason she can't touch and hold 
her baby she may like to have a member of her family with he baby 24 /7 play 
known sounds or music to babe have an some articles to sleep with ie hat that 
alternates between her and babe share each other smells,put a sign on cot this 
is 'Mary daughter of blah blah and sister of etc- no teats or dummies 
please I am b/f and the staff can be left with instructions to call p-parents re 
any testing etc so they can be there with their baby ie the family part the mum 
should feel she is in charge of things the mother bed should have many photos of 
baby with her with her sister and her relatives all reminders that this is her 
newborn Finally as babe improves the care should transfer to beside mums bed 
.Hope he latter is very soon Jan 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Wayne 
  and Caroline McCullough 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 11:09 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info on Rhesus 
  negative births
  
  A friend of mine 
  had her baby by C-Section this week due to problems resulting from her being 
  RH negative and her husband being RH positive. She was 37 weeks and the baby 
  has been in NICU since late last night because of severe jaundice (my guess is 
  that's from the operation). She has not been able to hold her baby or 
  breastfeed yet and has had massive headaches, poor thing but I think she is 
  expressing milk so that's a good sign. This is her second baby but I think she 
  also had a C-Section with the first.
   
  We did talk a lot 
  about her birthing options before the baby was born but I am not educated 
  enough on Rhesus factors to know whether or not her C-Section and the 
  separation from her baby was indeed necessary. Does anyone know more about 
  this? I am not going to go and tell her now that it was not necessary if that 
  was the case but I would like to know for my own personal 
  knowledge.
   
  Am planning on 
  calling her tomorrow to see how she is getting on (and how baby is getting 
  on). She is at the Mater Mothers Hospital in Brisbane.
   
  Cheers,
   
  Cas 
  McCullough

Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC support

[jireland]

please get her to contact me off the list jan ireland
- Original Message -
From: HELEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:54 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC support


> Has anyone got info on a support group for women who have had a traumatic
> birth ( & caesarean) and  are contemplating a future baby?  This mothe
lives
> in Melbourne.  She lady has been told her pelvis is too small  (one of her
> measurements is 0.7cm too small), scan done sometime after the first
birth,
> when she was not pregnant!  She is doing lots of research and has seen a
> supportive Gp & is soon to see a 2nd Obs.  I wonder if there is a lovely
> midwife that would be happy to coomunicate with her by email or phone on
the
> issue of CPD and future birth.   She has
> been fed so much misinformation and I'm unsure of how to reassure her
> further.  Her breastfeeding experience after the caesarean birth wasn't
all
> that great, but there I can assist her.   Thank-you all
> Helen Grainger  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[ozmidwifery] place of birth and outcome[long]

[jireland]

Happy New Year, 
 
This year I have attended 6 births 
Some dec babies were late [10.12 and 15 days] and 1 
jan baby early  [38plus]   and 2 on time  which resulted in one baby 
on the 2nd of jan and then 5 births in 4 days.
  2 pg homebirths; 1 mg home birth; one 
private hosp vbac; and 1pg birth centre ; and 1 birth centre 
mg.
ONLY 4 of these 6 women had nvds.
 
All had myself with them and were cared for at home 
even if planning a home birth.All were well prepared for normal birth I think 
all could have had a normal birth.
 
So whats the piont of this Can you guess who had 
the c/s and who had the forceps I really think u could and if so why do we 
continue to practise like we do ? or why don't things change.
 Sue Cookson explained the abuse of her client 
last week 
and I again 
witnessed the same the horizontal abuse towards MIPP is horrific 
why?
 
 WHERE ARE THE MIDWIVES IN THE MEDICAL MODELS 
i REALLY EXPECT THEM TO STAND UP AND PRACTISE OR TAKE ON THEIR HANDMAIDEN ROLES 
OF PATHETIC DRS HELPERS,AND[ ALL THIS WELL U HAVE A LIVE BABY STUFF BE HAPPY,] 
AS WHAT THEY DO .
One couple said to me they thought the midwife was 
the ctg technician that mw was her mw for 8 hrs.
There are fantastic mws working in the system BUT 
they are rare perhaps women are punished if they have a MIPP with them 
?
What can we do to prevent abuse to women during 
childbirth tired angry mw who isn't content with 6 healthy babies 
sorry about length please Hospital midwives give me 
some insight . jan 
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] support needed

[jireland]

Continunity of known care is hard to achieve at the moment contiunity of
philosophy is what BC offer and a known midwife is the luck of the draw
However they often turn out to just perfect
I was recently at a conference in Melbourne one of the presenters was  Nicky
Leap who I would describe as the right person to
> talk this trough with a sympathetic midwife on the programme but doesn't
> know who to contact and is fearful of having her concerns dismissed.
Nicky is working 1 day a week at a BC in Sydney and I think that is the one.
cheers Jan
- Original Message -
From: Larry & Megan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:21 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] support needed


> A woman in the inner west of Sydney is looking for some support. She is 35
> weeks pregnant, first baby, and is currently booked in at the
> R.P.A.(formerly King George V), in the midwifery programme, to birth in
the
> birth centre.
> However she is not feeling like there has been muchh continuity and has
not
> felt comfortable with many of the midwives she has met. She would like to
> talk this trough with a sympathetic midwife on the programme but doesn't
> know who to contact and is fearful of having her concerns dismissed.
> Any suggestions?
> Any doulas in this area that are available, it might be a way of getting
> some continuity for her.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Megan.
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[ozmidwifery] homebirth mw needed

[jireland]

Looking for a homebirth for one of my clients who 
moved from sunny Melb to somewhere between
Llismore through to Byron bay 

[ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP

[jireland]

Dear Listers 
 
I have a client single mum 1st babe looking for 
helpwith every thing after babe .any contacts
She is birthing in a private hospital in May and 
lives in Port Melbourne in Victoria jan
This is what she wrote 
 
"My mom told me that after she gave birth, she had 
somebody who stayed with her and helped with the baby and the house work and all 
that.  She called this person a nurse maid.  I thought that perhaps 
this would be a doula.  But, I've looked on the internet for information on 
doulas and they seem to be birth partners".However I have you as my birth 
attendant. 
'  
 
Who is it who can stay with me and give me after birth 
support when I get home?  Where do I look for this information?  

 
Because the biggest thing I seem to  be combatting 
is the isolation, I think this is important to get handled.  I spoke to my 
ob/gyn and she doesn't know much about doulas.  Can you tell me how to go 
about arranging this after birth support.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[ozmidwifery] induction at 38 weeks for twins

[jireland]

Dear colleagues A client of mine PG very healthy is 
expecting twins . 
Is therre any reason for induction at 38 weeks ? 

non identical seperate 
placentas. 
Is there any study that suggests a 1% chance in a 
twin pregnacy of FDIU between 38 and 40 weeks  and therefre an 
induction is manatory jan 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: mothers rights in public hospital

[jireland]

Title: Message



cass I work with lots of families in private system 
here's an overveiw get a birthplan and get it signed by ob
staff in hospital do what the dr says 
the back up for your dr has to respect[ with your 
encouragment ] his mates signiture
in short no ctg unless problem with babe's heart 
and or mec liguor then intermitant 
stay home as long as comfortable
no epidural no syntocinon
no time frames .
I find working with one person ie ob easier than a 
whole system I find the staff answer only to the ob 
I find that most work is done in antenatal period 
so there is no negotiating except in new situations ie unexpected things that 
happen
the birth plan for obs and hosp different ie hosp 
WE have discussed issues around our birth ad naueseum with, "mr vaginal birth 
whatever" and we will come into hosp in established labour have no ctg I 
will ask for drugs if I need them do not offer I will use shower and 
bath and deliver my baby when and how I like . sort of  as suits your 
personality cheers jan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Wayne 
  and Caroline McCullough 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:03 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: mothers 
  rights in public hospital 
  
  I am 
  new to this group as of today but wanted to comment on this thread. My second 
  baby is due in April, I am VBAC and we are going to a private hospital in 
  Brisbane (I can hear the gasps already : ) ). Anyway, I am wondering if 
  private "patients" can be refused treatment if they do not consent to 
  monitoring or IV lines. After all, what are they going to do, throw a pregnant 
  woman out on the street? I am taking a private traditional midwife with me to 
  the hospital to provide birth support and advocate on my behalf (the hospital 
  is aware of this and has so far been supportive) so hopefully this will make 
  refusal much easier. I am not entirely sure I can talk my doctor around before 
  the birth, but will try anyway. He seems pretty reasonable overall (for an 
  obgyn anyway). He's even agreed to deliver breech (probably the only doc 
  in Brisbane who still does breech deliveries, although not all that often 
  anymore because most women assume breech means cut).
   
  Please let me know if anyone has any thoughts on 
  this.
   
  Cheers,
   
  Cas 
  McCullough
  

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robyn 
ThompsonSent: Thursday, 12 December 2002 7:58 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
mothers rights in public hospital 
This is an interesting topic and really good educational programme 
about rights and responsibilities would be good.
 
The word Policy is often used in the hospital system as a means to 
take control of women and make the staff feel safe from possible 
litigation.
 
A 
Policy is not a legally binding document, it is a blanket statement for the 
population, written to protect the hospital and the staff.  The women 
who are forced to conform to such Policies have not had any hand 
in writing such documentation, their individual needs are 
negated.
 
Everyone has the right to say NO, nothing should ever be done to 
anyone without informed consent.  If we could just make all women feel 
confident to use this approach when they get into a situation where they say 
and mean NO we would be empowering these women to make informed decisions. 
The trouble is, it's quite scary when they feel vulnerable in the 
hospital system with all the "experts" hovering.
 
Routine Fetal monitoring is a prime example.  Compliance to 
20 minutes of fetal monitoring on arrival is the expected norm here and 
is hospital Policy.  In reality fetal monitoring does not have to be 
done at any time if the mother says NO.

  Regular auscultation with her consent and understanding of the 
  progress of labour is be more valuable. 
  Routine 4 hourly vaginal examination is another where women should 
  say NO. 
  Giving a baby formula without written and informed consent is yet 
  another and so on and so on
Just my comments,    Robyn
   

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Debby 
  MSent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:44 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: mothers rights 
  in public hospital 
  
  Jill, when I was trying to get into the Birth Centre at RWH I raised 
  just this question. The NSW Womens Service actually publish a book on the 
  rights of pregnant mothers - I gave my copy away after my baby was born 
  and can't remember what it was called but I am sure they would know. 

  
  In addition I found out from one of the doctors at the hospital that 
  re

Re: [ozmidwifery] Anti-D - new guidelines

[jireland]

dEAR tANIA
My understaning unfortunatly is that aust women 
have had a 1percent chance of immunization and women having anti-D at  28 week a 
o.3 per cent chance As I have 2 families on my books from both populations who 
were rh immunized in their 1st preg any thing to aviod their pain is 
worthwhile jan  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom, Tania and Sam 
  Smallwood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:18 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Anti-D - new 
  guidelines
  
  Hi there,
   
  Just received the new guidelines for administration of 
  anti-D to pregnant and post-partum women today in the mail.  To be 
  honest, found it a bit difficult to understand, but maybe I need a bit of 
  extra sleep under my belt before I tackle it again!  My question to the 
  list is this, it appears that due to a shortage of anti-D, the guidelines for 
  administration were changed, and for a period of approx. 2 years, women didn't 
  routinely receive it during their pregnancy.  Now that supplies seem to 
  be more abundant, the guidelines have been changed back, to include 
  administration of one dose of immunoglobulin 624 IU at between 28 and 34 weeks 
  of pregnancy.  So what have the outcomes for the women with negative 
  blood groups during the past 2 years, when this hasn't been routine, and is 
  there adequate research to suggest that every woman should be having this 
  dose?  It is a blood product after all, and a rare and expensive one at 
  that.  I know we all want to err on the side of caution, but it seems 
  strange that it was stopped due to a shortage, and now that it's available, we 
  should all be giving it again, with no explanation of what indeed the impact 
  of not administering it during this antenatal period was.
   
  Hope this makes sense, 
   
  Tania

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Patients rights and responsibilities

[jireland]

thanks robyn I am collecting a lot of useful info to "share with the  less
informed. jan
- Original Message -
From: Robyn Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:10 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Patients rights and responsibilities


> Jan this maybe the correct address to look up Public and Private patients
> rights and responsibilities
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:13 PM
> To: Robyn Thompson
> Subject: Re: Patients rights and responsibilities
>
>
> Dear Robyn,
>
> Thank you for your e-mail to the Commonwealth Department of Health and
> Ageing.
> This Department formulates and administers Health Policy.  Suggest you
> contact
> the Victorian Department of Human Services regarding your enquiry.  For
your
> convenience I have attached below the website address for the Victorian
DHS.
>
>  Victorian Department of Human Services
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Paula Cryer
> Public Affairs
> Department of Health and Ageing
>
>
>
>
>
> "Robyn Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 12/12/2002 09:24:14
>
> To:   WEBMASTER@health_gov_au
> cc:
>
> Subject:  Patients rights and responsibilities
>
>
>
> Can you please help me with the correct on-line access to Public and
Private
> Patients Health Charter.  I want to look up rights and responsibilities.
>
> thanking youRobyn Thompson
>
> Robyn Thompson
>
> Melbourne Midwifery
> Specialist Services  Pty Ltd  (abn 34 007 423 994)
> Independent Midwifery Practice
>
> Midwife Practitioner
> *Homebirth
> *Lactation
> *Maternal & Child Health
>
> www.melbmidwifery.com.au
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[ozmidwifery] re portland

[jireland]

Finally found mws to go but baby beat us all 
awaiting news love jan 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech baby

[jireland]

I don't know any one in the area I live in 
vic,
 but at 35 week I would be very hopful the 
baby would turn research supports late ECV
 I WOULD RING AROUND AND GET KNOWN 
COMPLEMENTARY PRACTITIONER EXPERT IN THIS AREA IE CHIROPRACTERS ACUPUNTURE ALSO 
GET BREECH WISE woman wise book mine is out at moment I think thats is and do 
exercises to turn 
Very importatly help the mum organise time for 
herself so she can connect with babe ie spiol her love jan 
PS AND IF BABY STAYS THAT WAY HAVE A NORMAL BIRTH 

 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Joyce, Sally 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:06 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech baby
  
  
   
  
Hi 
everyone.
 
I 
am hoping someone can help me.
 
I 
have a friend who is 35wks who lives in Uralla near Armidale, NSW. Currently 
the baby is in the breech position and had been for the last 8 or so weeks. 
It is her third baby and has planned and is desperately hoping for a 
natural birth. Does anyone know someone in the area who has experience in 
turn breeches?
 
Thanks.
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Ruptured Uterus

[jireland]

dear Sonja the epidural and syntocinon are the 
usual culprits
Once the woman has lost her powers or had them 
taken and the 30 mins palp is done and then synto increased any thing incl rupt 
uterus can happen labour is dynamic and reacts in an unpredictable fashion 
when challenged by intervention .
hands off is always safest .and hands on of a known 
midwife there for that woman especially if intervention becomes a need. jan 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barry 
  MacGregor 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:55 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ruptured 
  Uterus
  
  Could someone please enlighten me on how does one 
  end up with a ruptured uterus during an induction of labour.   How 
  can this happen if you palp contractions etc.
  Interesting things happen in these "we're a high 
  risk unit you know" hospitals
  Regards Sonja
  new midwife that is still apparently 
  "green"

Re: [ozmidwifery] mothers rights in public hospital

[jireland]

dear Robyn,
Thanks i'LL GO TO THEIR WEB SITE AND TRY FIND IT 
yOU DON'T FANCY A DRIVE TO pORTLAND do you only 3 more hrs than Moe GREAT WORK 
your doing clinically and behind the scenes love jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robyn 
  Thompson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:41 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] mothers rights 
  in public hospital
  
  Jan
  The 
  Royal Women's provides a booklet "Patient's Rights"  quite a good tool if 
  you need to debate anything with women in the system.  The Homebirth Bill 
  of Rights and Responsibilities is on my website also.  I am sure there 
  will also be something available on Consumer Rights from one of the government 
  departments.
   
  Hope 
  this is helpful
   
  Robyn 
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:09 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] mothers rights in public hospital
dear listers
Ihave the seymor report re fetal welfare and 
the law but can someone direct me to maternal rights in a public hosp . what 
does apublic pt have to do in a hosp? Is there a document
' handy
' that states it is assualt to do any thing to 
a person without their permission ie a vaginal excamination or cutting the 
cord or giving oxytocics
jan 

[ozmidwifery] mothers rights in public hospital

[jireland]

dear listers
Ihave the seymor report re fetal welfare and the 
law but can someone direct me to maternal rights in a public hosp . what does 
apublic pt have to do in a hosp? Is there a document
' handy
' that states it is assualt to do any thing to a 
person without their permission ie a vaginal excamination or cutting the cord or 
giving oxytocics
jan 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland

[jireland]

terry and sally  she is still going term +11days and still unable to have
her home birth jan my phone no is 0417379175 jan
- Original Message -
From: Child Birth Information Service <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland


> Hi Andrea,
> Did your mother to be find a midwife, I have just had a birth and I am
free
> now, but maybe she has birthed already or found a midwife, and I'm in
> Hobart, maybe just too far. Any way I'm free if required.
> Terry Stockdale
> Independent Midwife Hobart
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andrea Bilcliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Ozmidwifery Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Capers Birth News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:21 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland
>
>
> > I've been asked to pass on this message in the hope that someone will be
> > able to help. Is there a midwife living near or willing to travel to
> > Portland (expenses paid) this weekend?
> > A woman is 6 days post-dates with her 3rd baby. All is well, 2 previous
> > normal births. Desperately wants a homebirth, own midwife had to leave
and
> > the woman doesn't want to do it unassisted. Thinks it will happen soon!
> > Andrea
> >
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[jireland]

To all mws and consumers I have just witnessed a 
complete hands off breech birth baby girl born up to the nipple line in caul 
clear liquor intact perineum great apgars and believe it or not in one of our 
public hospitals in melbourne .in hosp all up 6 hrs and home the power of women 
jan MIPP

[ozmidwifery] breast/bottle

[jireland]

Is there any research that supports breast is more 
taxing than bottle for the premature  newborn . 
the paed says only 2 b/f in 24hrs and the other [ 
6] gavage or bottle .Its a fight to increase b/f in this active well fattening 
up boy born at 32 weeks and now 10 days old back to birth weight and rooting 
around for the breast .No problem with milk supply 
jan

Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland

[jireland]

victoria
- Original Message - 
From: Andrea Bilcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland


> Oz! : )
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kirsten Blacker" 
> 
> > Portland OREGON? or somewhere in Oz?
> > Kirsten
> 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland

[jireland]

thanks sally things are grim in vic at the moment jan 
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From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland


> I wish I could be there. When I lived in Geelong I would go to Portland
> for a birth.
> 
> Fingers Crossed for her.
> 
> I have contacted some midwifes I know down that way.
> 
> Sally Wesbury
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Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water

[jireland]

pete I would sieve the water boil the water  and send a specimen for m and c
before and after birth and if all that it to complicated i would say how
about standing for birth and then sitting down again although i think its
all a bit grubby[could get a lovley postpartum infection . I have had no
experience with dam water but Ihave had a water truck deliver water for tub.
love and happy xmas. jan
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From: Malavisi, Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water


>
> Could people tell me of their experiences with birthing in dam water, we
> really don't have enough rainwater on site to use, this dam water is used
> for general washing etc it runs through the solar hotwater service but is
> quite turbid, yours in midwifery pete malavisi
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Fw: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

[jireland]

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)


> Plans around birth incl children need to remain open to change ie leaving
> kids asleep following the childs needs at that moment but the magic of,
> "christmas" is often captured when chilren are present .
> This year a 10 year girl defused a tense situation with  grumpy obs in a
> pulic hosp ,as her mum pushed, an undigested pumpkin seed appeared from
her
> bottom which the child annouced with great gusto to one and all .
>
> Two boys at their sisters birth at home asked their mum as the head
crowned
> aout 7am would she be finished by breakfast .
>
> AN EXCITED 2 YR OLD WOKE AT USUAL TIME O6OO TO GREET HIS SISTER SWIMMING
> PAST HIS MUM TO SEE HIM .
>
> Billie changed her clothes 3 times then decided at 3yrs of age  to go play
> next door as," it "was taking too long.another 3 yr old had her clothes
off
> and was at last allowed in the pool with her parents and new sister .
>
> Another 10 year old girl hopped into her bed with the door shut upset by
> thenoised of a precipitate labour her support person jioned her and they
> emerged when"it" was over and made a cake.
>
> Flurescent ear plugs, little hands helping the midwife, thomas the tank
> torches searching for a sign of baby ,batman, knights with swords and
> fairies all dressed to greet the new babe
> I could go on and on wide eyed interested kids doing what they liked with
> their own person there for them.
> Chidren at birth go with the moment and have good child centred back up
> plans jan
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Jo & Dean Bainbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)
>
>
> > Likened it to having to concentrate when driving the car and looking for
a
> > carpark, can't talk much then either
> >
> > Oh Megan!  Does that mean you are one of 'those' car park seekers who
take
> > the challenge to find the perfect park very seriously!!!
> > Jo Bainbridge
> > founding member CARES SA
> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > phone: 08 8388 6918
> > birth with trust, faith & love...
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)
> >
> >
> > > We planned on having out two sons present at the birth at home of
number
> > > three, boys were 3 1/2years and just under two. I showed them the
video
> of
> > > number two being born, water birh at home, we watched it lots and also
> > some
> > > other videos our midwife lent us. I told them about the noise I might
> make
> > > and about how not to talk when I was concentrating on the baby coming
> out.
> > > Likened it to having to concentrate when driving the car and looking
for
> a
> > > carpark, can't talk much then either. I told them it might hurt me,
but
> it
> > > was a special hurt just for helping babies to come out. I told them it
> had
> > > to come out between my legs, a special whole that only mummies have,
> boys
> > > don't have one. Daddy would be rubbing my back and helping me and the
> > baby.
> > > Importantly you need to arrange a person/s for the children, someone
> they
> > > trust and they need to support your philosophies of childbirth, you
> don't
> > > want their fear coming into your birth. My husband wasn't as keen as I
> > was,
> > > but he agreed to take it as it came. I also told them that I might
want
> to
> > > be on my own and they may have to go for a walk or to grandma's. I
> > > acknowledged that this could upset them and hence affect my labour,
but
> > > figured I would allow half an hour extra in labour for this to be
worked
> > > through(not scientifically based).Birth can take a while so children
> will
> > > probably want other things to do. You have to accept that may not even
> > like
> > > to be there at the time, nothing is set in concrete.
> > > It helps if they are involved with the pregnancy, attending
appointments
> > if
> > > in hospital or helping the midwife if at home. Kids just love the
tools
> of
> > a
> > > midwife, fundal measurements might be a bit out though if they help.
> > > Some good books are "Having a Baby" by Jenni Overend and also the
writer
> > of
> > > "Maisie Mouse" series has one about introducing a new sibling etc,
> (sorry
> > > don't know the name).
> > > Lots of talking, my youngest wasn't that interested, but the older boy
> new
> > > all about the placenta and unbilical cord, he loved the blood and
mess.
> > > After all my education, baby decided to enter the world in the middle
of
> > the
> > > night and the boys slept right through it all. We woke the eldest up a
> > > couple of hours later to help cut the cord. Little one didn't wake til
> > usual
> > > time. It was

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

[jireland]

Plans around birth incl children need to remain open to change ie leaving
kids asleep following the childs needs at that moment but the magic of,
"christmas" is often captured when chilren are present .
This year a 10 year girl defused a tense situation with  grumpy obs in a
pulic hosp ,as her mum pushed, an undigested pumpkin seed appeared from her
bottom which the child annouced with great gusto to one and all .

Two boys at their sisters birth at home asked their mum as the head crowned
aout 7am would she be finished by breakfast .

AN EXCITED 2 YR OLD WOKE AT USUAL TIME O6OO TO GREET HIS SISTER SWIMMING
PAST HIS MUM TO SEE HIM .

Billie changed her clothes 3 times then decided at 3yrs of age  to go play
next door as," it "was taking too long.another 3 yr old had her clothes off
and was at last allowed in the pool with her parents and new sister .

Another 10 year old girl hopped into her bed with the door shut upset by
thenoised of a precipitate labour her support person jioned her and they
emerged when"it" was over and made a cake.

Flurescent ear plugs, little hands helping the midwife, thomas the tank
torches searching for a sign of baby ,batman, knights with swords and
fairies all dressed to greet the new babe
I could go on and on wide eyed interested kids doing what they liked with
their own person there for them.
Chidren at birth go with the moment and have good child centred back up
plans jan

- Original Message -
From: Jo & Dean Bainbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)


> Likened it to having to concentrate when driving the car and looking for a
> carpark, can't talk much then either
>
> Oh Megan!  Does that mean you are one of 'those' car park seekers who take
> the challenge to find the perfect park very seriously!!!
> Jo Bainbridge
> founding member CARES SA
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> phone: 08 8388 6918
> birth with trust, faith & love...
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)
>
>
> > We planned on having out two sons present at the birth at home of number
> > three, boys were 3 1/2years and just under two. I showed them the video
of
> > number two being born, water birh at home, we watched it lots and also
> some
> > other videos our midwife lent us. I told them about the noise I might
make
> > and about how not to talk when I was concentrating on the baby coming
out.
> > Likened it to having to concentrate when driving the car and looking for
a
> > carpark, can't talk much then either. I told them it might hurt me, but
it
> > was a special hurt just for helping babies to come out. I told them it
had
> > to come out between my legs, a special whole that only mummies have,
boys
> > don't have one. Daddy would be rubbing my back and helping me and the
> baby.
> > Importantly you need to arrange a person/s for the children, someone
they
> > trust and they need to support your philosophies of childbirth, you
don't
> > want their fear coming into your birth. My husband wasn't as keen as I
> was,
> > but he agreed to take it as it came. I also told them that I might want
to
> > be on my own and they may have to go for a walk or to grandma's. I
> > acknowledged that this could upset them and hence affect my labour, but
> > figured I would allow half an hour extra in labour for this to be worked
> > through(not scientifically based).Birth can take a while so children
will
> > probably want other things to do. You have to accept that may not even
> like
> > to be there at the time, nothing is set in concrete.
> > It helps if they are involved with the pregnancy, attending appointments
> if
> > in hospital or helping the midwife if at home. Kids just love the tools
of
> a
> > midwife, fundal measurements might be a bit out though if they help.
> > Some good books are "Having a Baby" by Jenni Overend and also the writer
> of
> > "Maisie Mouse" series has one about introducing a new sibling etc,
(sorry
> > don't know the name).
> > Lots of talking, my youngest wasn't that interested, but the older boy
new
> > all about the placenta and unbilical cord, he loved the blood and mess.
> > After all my education, baby decided to enter the world in the middle of
> the
> > night and the boys slept right through it all. We woke the eldest up a
> > couple of hours later to help cut the cord. Little one didn't wake til
> usual
> > time. It was a fast and demanding labour so it was appropriate that the
> boys
> > weren't there, I believe I wouldn't have coped as well, things happen
for
> a
> > reason.
> > My oldest, now 4 1/4 years thinks I should have another baby so as our
> > midwife can visit us again and so as he can be awake to see the birth
this
> > time. I love this, but dad's not to keen. He offered to pay the midwife

Re: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

[jireland]

thanks I'm in melbourne and that is part of my plan 
jan 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Larry & 
  Megan 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:07 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] jittery 
  newborn
  
  Don't know where you are, but again I would recommend an 
  experienced cranial osteopath. Not saying it will cure anything, but will 
  rule out some things. Regardless, the difference osteopathic treatment does to 
  the body is worth its weight in gold.
   
  worth a try,
  Megan.
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2002 
7:46To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] jittery 
newborn
Case to ponder 
4 hr 1st stage 1hr 40 mins 2nd MI till 30 mins 
before birth at term plus 2days PG 4000 gram baby SVD under water at 
home apgars 9+10 .breast feed well
mother GBS + AND DECLINED abs unless 
PROM or prem birth etc etc
No signs of sepis at birth or subsequent days 
some transient rapid resps and early jaundice 
problem periods of jittering when disturbed not 
cold not hypo bf non stop if limbs held then jittereing ceases no 
associated high pitch in cry or unusual stare in eyes babe is well and now 
d6 still jitters at times not confused with moro a real tremor fine motor 
type
Any mws out there come across this 
before? I havn't in an otherwise well 
babe and I've been around 30 years love jan 

Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] A follow thru journey.....when Sally met Harry....(Long)

[jireland]

 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:37 
  AM
  Subject: Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] A follow 
  thru journey.when Sally met Harry(Long)
  In a message dated 24/11/02 10:16:24 AM AUS Eastern 
  Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  After all story telling was the way that all important 
information is passed between peoples, between generation.Beautiful story 
Tina. LoveSally WestburyLove and thanks to you 
  SallyTinaXX

[ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

[jireland]

Case to ponder 
4 hr 1st stage 1hr 40 mins 2nd MI till 30 mins 
before birth at term plus 2days PG 4000 gram baby SVD under water at home 
apgars 9+10 .breast feed well
mother GBS + AND DECLINED abs unless PROM 
or prem birth etc etc
No signs of sepis at birth or subsequent days some 
transient rapid resps and early jaundice 
problem periods of jittering when disturbed not 
cold not hypo bf non stop if limbs held then jittereing ceases no 
associated high pitch in cry or unusual stare in eyes babe is well and now d6 
still jitters at times not confused with moro a real tremor fine motor 
type
Any mws out there come across this 
before? I havn't in an otherwise well babe 
and I've been around 30 years love jan  

[ozmidwifery] WRONG ADRESS

[jireland]

URGENT PLEASE DISREGARD PREVIOUS E-MAIL SENT TO 
WRONG ADDRESS JAN 
PLEASE DELETE CONTAINS PRIVATE 
INFORMATION
APOLIGIES  

Re: [ozmidwifery] see you

[jireland]

Dear Betty Sarah will be home till md monday please 
ring her as Vanessa would like to start her follow thru cheers jan 93804616 
sARAH hOWLELL
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aviva 
  Sheb'a 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:21 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] see you
  
  I hope it all goes well, Liz! Look after 
  yourself and fly with it.
  love,
  aviva
  - Original Message - 
  From: ec newnham 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:00 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] see you
  
  Dear all, much as I love 
  this list, I am going off for a few months while I get all my assignments 
  finished for this year. Thanks for doing what you all do. It is a wonderful 
  forum.
  Tania, thanks for 
  responding to my thoughts about GMP. I have your email, so I'll keep in 
  touch.
  See you all when I'm a 
  midwife! 
  Love, 
Liz.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts?

[jireland]

For me working full time for 42 weeks a year 
is peerfect  I think for 1 mw 6 births  per mth is right the o/c is a tremendous 
strain and more than 6 clients is over the top and less is not enough 
income
so I try to take 1 4 wk period off 1 2 week period 
and snatch another couple off when births permit .
I have a large family and am the main bread winner 
plus am around home alot as I consult from home . jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:29 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric 
  Perception - Your thoughts?
  
  Dear Sally and all:
   
  I think I am going to get flak from you all for 
  this response but here goes. I can only comment on what I know, and what you 
  describe Sally, 20 births/month sounds ideal but at least on the West Coast of 
  America, wher I lived until recently,  (including  California and 
  Washington USA and British Columbia, Canada) it would be a part-time practice 
  and could only happen financially in either a very rural area or if the 
  midwife had a partner who was basically supporting the family. In the USA we 
  carried a number of emergency drugs  such as pitocin, merthergine, Mg 
  SO4, adrenaline, IV fluids, that apart from the oxytocics were never used 
  (thankfully) but dates expire and the drugs have to be replaced, so we had a 
  lot of supplies that needed to be replaced continuously, not to mention 
  stationary or taxes. So, at least for us, 20 births/month did not generate an 
  income that could support a single mother and her family. There is also annual 
  licensing fees and insurance which were significant outlays and increasing. We 
  also had 2 midwives or 1 midwife and a second attendant trained in maternal 
  and neonatal resucc etc. at each birth, so unless she was your partner or 
  student then you would be paying your second attendant $200-$300 per birth. 
  When you actually do the accounting you don't do private practice for the 
  money, it truly is a labor of love. And, unfortunately it is with great 
  heartache that many (not all) independent midwives cease practice, it is a 
  hard profession to stay married in and raise kids in. Some of you appear to 
  have amazing and incredibly supportive partners and from my observation this 
  is what is necessary to survive for a longish independent career. Only one 
  practice that I worked in had this small number of births and they struggled 
  financially both midwives having other part-time jobs. of course when you're 
  older (as I am) and the children have grown and are no longer at home (or you 
  aren't) and you are single, then there are no such restrants on your 
  practice.
   
  The other practices I worked in had an average of 
  40births/month/midwife (incidently in BC, Canada the maximum number of births 
  is 40 and the minimum is 10 per year, continuity of care, there was no maximum 
  in the USA). With this number of births we did not do homevisits for all of 
  the prenatals but had the mums come to our clinic, which were all very homey 
  and actually a great place for the mums to meet. WE made appointments at times 
  when the mums, dads, and kids could come, they seemed to like the outing. Our 
  home visits were more to make sure we knew how to get there. However, being 
  this busy is exhausting and especially if you have a cluster of long labours 
  not necessarily best practice ( example if your 4 ladies for October and 2 
  from November all birth the last weekend in October you can be quite 
  stretched. Constantly being on call should not be underestimated in its affect 
  on your life health and well being. 
   
  I am not saying this to put down independent 
  practice, NMAP both of which I totally and wholeheartedly support, I am just 
  saying it to make the point that those who are apprehensive of their ability 
  or even willingness to commit to being on call should not be put down, but 
  rather encouraged by searching for systems that will be supportive of the 
  midwives and the mothers. There are practices around the world, primarily it 
  seems in Britain where the groups of midwives have worked out a sharing of 
  duties, time on call, etc. that have been beneficial to all and liveable for 
  the midwives. We should acknowledge that being on call can be very 
  tough for the practitioners. 
   
  I think what may put a lot off too is the mess 
  that they see being on call makes of the doctors lives that they observe. I 
  think we must remember that GP's get called out for outpatients and other 
  non-obstetric emergencies too, so in a rural practice this must be really 
  demanding. The obstetricians I know have worked in group practices and so have 
  rotated the on call time. I do think it is fair to say that most people don't 
  relish being on call though we love going to births.
   
  I really do hope you don't all take this the 
  wrong way.
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

[jireland]

Hi
Looking for an independant mw sth of lismore jan
- Original Message -
From: barbara glare & chris bright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community


> Hi,
>
> I just did the crash course on TV advertising, helping to  organise "The
> Boss" ads for ABA.  Having no money to work with, we had to do the old
> "loaves and fishes" trick and get in happening at a minimal cost.   I, too
> think Nic and Vicki's "In union" would make a terrific basis for an ad.
> Makes me cry every time.  I can help with costs and contacts.
>
> Love, Barb
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] raynaud's disease

[jireland]

only aviod rapid change in temp ie warm wet cloth 
on to nipple as soon as baby detaches warm gel packs in air conditioning .also 
the usual attachment of course. jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 
  Westbury 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:30 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] raynaud's 
  disease
  
  
  What wisdom out there 
  about Raynaud’s disease? Any wonderful advise.
   
  In peace and 
  joy
   
  Sally 
  Westbury

Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression

[jireland]

hi lyn thanks for e-mail great news 
another son and a great labour Ihave spoken to Ellie  and she was thrilled 
with her care looking forward to debrieing with u soon I AM AT HOME TODAY LOTS 
OF LOVE jAN

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  lyn 
  kelson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and 
  post natal depression
  
  Dear Veronica,
  Good luck with your research. It's 
  always good to remember when we undertake projects like these that it as much 
  about us learning new skills as it is about making ground breaking 
  discoveries. Another avenue you could follow up concerning placenta ingestion 
  is the making of homeopathic tablets from a small portion of placenta, I have 
  known a couple of people to do this recently.
  Enjoy your study
  Regards
  Lyn.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Veronica 
Herbert 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:11 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and 
post natal depression

Dear Carol,
Yep you are right there is no current research into this 
topic at all Very frustrating... but I am still pursuing the topic as I 
find it very fascinating.  I have decided to do a Qualitative study 
entitled "Placentophagy - Personal experiences of an 'unmentionable' 
practice" in which I will interview 5 women who have undertaken 
placentophagy.
Now as for the lit review, I think I will have to make 
close links to other alternative practices such as Lotus births. Not sure if 
I can stretch to the 1500 word lit review but will give it a shot!!! It is 
my understanding that in the lit review you also critique other research and 
I can point out the limitations in the research.
from Veronica
(Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat).

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Carol Thorogood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:31 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta 
  and post natal depression
  
  Dear 
VeronicaCongratulations on your venture. My e-mail 
  isn't very positive I'm afraid. I don't want to discourage you but. 
  There are no valid research studies that show that eating the placenta has 
  any beneficial effects.  There are a few anecdotal studies which 
  refer to its beneficial effects but in terms of evidence based midwifery 
  there is nothing useful in the literature.  So, if you have to do a 
  literature review for your research proposal it will be  awfully 
  thin. However, there are a few women who eat it and swear by it but it'd 
  be awfully hard to prove. So, my advice is to find something that others 
  have done so you'll have lots to talk about in the proposal.  
  Alternatively you could set up a randomised controlled trial to see if it 
  has an effect in reducing the incidence of PND. But that would be awfully 
  hard to do and you'd probably need a couple of thousand women who are 
  prepared to eat their placentas and then match them with a couple of 
  thousand who don't.  It all sounds too hard to me!  Anyway good 
  luck and have fun.Carol
  Carol ThorogoodVisiting Midwifery ScholarSchool 
  of Nursing and MidwiferyFlinders University, Adelaide, 
  5001Telephone: 08 8201 
  3924Fax:   
  08 8201 3410 

[ozmidwifery] off list

[jireland]

Hi  i AM GOING OFF LIST FOR 3 WEEKS JAN 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Ongoing physiological 3rd stage.

[jireland]

Lyn I'm sure that the client can't be refused care abnd that she can make 
an informed decision re all medication at the time. A disclaimer will 
suffice and accurate documentation  WHAT the hell is happening to our 
birthing services jan  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  lyn 
  kelson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 3:56 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ongoing 
  physiological 3rd stage.
  
  Just to thank people for their input to this topic, and to pass on the 
  response I received when I questioned the intro of a policy re physiological 
  3rd stage.
  I was informed that it was the hospital policy that all women birthing at 
  this rural hosp, would consent to having 3rd stage medically managed. If they 
  chose to have a physiological 3rd stage then they would have to choose to 
  birth at an alternative venue. 
  This policy came about after some severe pph's, and now they choose to 
  actively manage 3rd stage in all cases. It is a relatively small mid service, 
  generally with 1 midwife allocated to birthing suite. Obs up to 30 min 
  away, unless it is his OT day.
   
   I can't believe that a hospital can dictate to women how they will 
  birth their placenta, or deny them services because of a choice they 
  make.
   Does any one else know if other hospitals are manipulating women's 
  birth choices this way? If so, how can they do it? Can they actually deny care 
  to women on the basis of their informed choices re care?
  I am astounded by all of this.
  Thanks 
  Lyn.
   

[ozmidwifery] lactation /stillbirth

[jireland]

Advice appreciated 
Apart from firm support cold packs ice/cabbage 
leaves sage tea and no stimulation of breasts .Has anyone ant ideas to mimimize 
lactation in a term mother of stillborn baby.
regards Jan 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria

[jireland]

Sally the vic borad of nursing has never publically 
suggested in any shape or form that independant mws have a problem when and if 
they do we can act Is this niave?
Where does your information come from 
?
 jan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 
  Westbury 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:03 
  AM
  Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in 
  Victoria
  
  
  I’m astounded by the 
  silence on this issue… 
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  On Behalf Of Sally 
  WestburySent: 
  Monday, 9 September 
  2002 2:44 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in 
  Victoria
   
  Tina, or anyone else 
  who know,
   
  I’m curious to know 
  how (or if) the insurance issues for the Midwifery students has been 
  resolved.
   
   
  I would also urge 
  people to be careful about naming any midwife in 
  Victoria who may be attending 
  homebirths. It is my understanding that the Nurses Board of Victoria will 
  deregister anyone who attends a homebirth with out the professional indemnity 
  insurance that we cannot get, if they are informed of it. This information 
  could come from any person. Say someone who doesn’t like homebirths reads in 
  the newspaper or on ozmidwifery that a midwife has been publically thanked for 
  her help, they ring the board and tell them.. the board can deregister 
  them.
   
  Sound like a witch 
  hunt to me. I’m glad I’m not there but am really worried who will be next. 
  
   
  What action is 
  happening in Victoria to discuss this with 
  the Board at present? What help do you need in 
  Victoria?
   
  Sally 
  Westbury

Re: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births???

[jireland]

at home and in birth centres and hospital in public 
and private when women are informed strong and not interfered with harder to get 
as u progress along ie home---hosp but possible when women are 
truley informed and supported by known midwives jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 
  Westbury 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:59 
  AM
  Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 
  'natural' births???
  
  
  At 
  home.
   
  Sally 
  Westbury
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 7:40 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 
  'natural' births???
   
  Dear All,A bunch of us direct 
  entry midwives from Flinders Uni in South Oz have been following women through 
  their pregnancies.  We have been taught all about 'natural' birth but 
  most of us are yet to see one.  We can't believe the amount of 
  interventions that happen (and we are only allowed to go to public hospitals 
  at the moment!!)  I shudder to think what it will be like in the private 
  sector.  Where are all of these non-interventionist births 
  happening??   Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes 
  avoidable things happening to women.   We can't wait until we 
  graduate and can have a say in what goes on.  Keep up the 
  fightJohanna

Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

[jireland]

This is so simple that I don't mean to insult any one babies don't need to
be weighed at birth the next day if the parents want to know is better also
believe it or not I now suggest all mothers in the private system have their
babe weighed on the SAME scales ie wait till they go to PN ward .I have
proved that at one part priv hosp in melb there is a 300grm diff in LW and
PN scales .
Look at the baby is it alert and feeding whats happening in the nappy dept
and forget the scales . Jan
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From: Irene Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


> I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing more
> than 10% of their birth weight on day 3.   Is anyone
> else out there experiencing this  and are there any
> studies on this subject.   This is particularly babies
> of caucasian mothers.   Can anyone shed light on this
> for me?
> Irene Munro
> Alice Springs
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

[jireland]

Mary I have noticed that the u/s person who has 
been and remains the person  I refer women to is doing more and more 
vaginal u/s when there is a problem ie not a good veiw etc but always after 
asking the woman who often declines.
But as a routine sounds very unusal 
practise. jan 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: list 
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal 
  ultrasounds
  
  There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal 
  ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest.  Is this an accepted 
  practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM  

[ozmidwifery] purple hearts

[jireland]

I WOULD IKE SOME PURPLE HEARTS FOR 11-9 How do 
I go about ? jan

[ozmidwifery] vbac fdiu

[jireland]

Closure and thanks 
Well the body got the idea and the 
woman surrended and after spon onset of 
labour 3 hrs later a 3.3 kg humble baby boy was born ,still and loved by all 
.
As tears roll out the family delivered their baby 
under water no problems.natural 3rd stage no perineal trama. The woman 
feels empowered and appears to be well  into the process of that grieving 
journey . Thankyou for all your advice from the family amd midwife 
.

[ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[jireland]

Dear Listers has any one information re waiting for 
spontaneous labour whenthe baby has died in utero at 39 weeks . the woman 
and her family want towait but the medical staff want to induce .Her 
last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another good reason to wait .Look 
forward to answers ASAPJAN IRELAND 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Gloria Lemay

[jireland]

Title: Message



yes please jan MIPP

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:09 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Gloria 
  Lemay
  
  I went to the site again this morning and was 
  able to get to the forum on 'legal battles and birth policies'. It takes 
  awhile so I downloaded the 4 pages if anyone would like me to send them a copy 
  off list as they would be attachments (4 of them). The father has now posted a 
  new comment. The postings cover a range of topics including regulation of 
  midwifery, lay midwifery, different cultural interpretations of individual and 
  collective rights, informed consent/informed choice, midwifery 
  interventions/non-intervention in labour (ARM, cervical stretching, FHT 
  monitoring and interpretation) guidelines for transfer and many, many others. 
  All very very hot topics as well as very interesting. The father's story (the 
  current one, I didn't see the first one) is heart rentching (sp?) and I would 
  tend to agree with Rochelle's first assessment of the midwifery care. However, 
  it is difficult to have a discussion about something without everyone having 
  the same info. Since I have downloaded the info I could post some of it here 
  if people are interested: just a cut and paste job, I don't know if that 
  infringes any copywright laws though. The father's letter would just be a long 
  post. I wont do it without a go ahead. 
   
  One issue that does come up for me is 
  prolonged labor, how long is too long? When does it become obstructed 
  labour? 
  marilyn
   --- Original Message - 
  
From: 
Vicki Chan 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:42 
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Gloria 
Lemay

I 
went and had a look last night...the father's comments had been removed as 
considered inappropriate but there were many more letters on the subject... 
great unrest in midwifery in Canada it seems or medwifery as some are 
calling it :(...we have to go sooo carefully..keep the women at the centre 
of every decision made...

  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn 
  KleidonSent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:20 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Gloria 
  Lemay
  Hi Rochelle: I am trying to figure out if it 
  is the midwifery today site or my computer, but I was stuck at "forum" 
  after clicking on it for 20 minutes and didn't get any further. I will try 
  again later. marilyn
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Timothy & Rochelle 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:36 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Gloria 
Lemay

Dear List,
 
Just clarifying the details of the Web site mentioned 
in my previous email.  Take the following steps;  First, go to 
www.midwifery.com  On the 
left hand side of the home page is a blue menu.  Within this menu 
is a heading, 'Community' and immediately under this heading is a 
sub-heading, 'Forums'.  Click on 'Forums'  Then scroll 
down and click on 'Legal Battles and Birth Politics'  A 
heading appears, 'Midwife Gloria Lemay's Legal Battles'  
Immediately under this heading is, 1 2 3 4  Click on 3.  
Finally, click on post headed Marc-Dov and dated 16th August, 
7:17 (15th entry from top).
 
Thankyou Marilyn for your reply. Hope this 
helps.
 
Regards
Rochelle
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac day sept 11

[jireland]

no it's jan ireland hampton vic 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lynne 
  Staff 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac day sept 
  11
  
  Wish I could come Jan, but I'm a bit far away!! 
  Is Sept 11 going to be a regular thing?
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:49 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac day sept 
11

Anyone interested ?Come and share at 
Jan's house sept 11 lots of insppiring stories from my practice re courage 
of women to be impowered by their birth rsvp for nos lol jan
 

[ozmidwifery] vbac day sept 11

[jireland]

Anyone interested ?Come and  share at 
Jan's house sept 11 lots of insppiring stories from my practice re courage of 
women to be impowered by their birth rsvp for nos lol jan
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] PROM

[jireland]

Thanks jess that article thta david posted is excellant.
come and visit on the 7th I miss u too my woman was gbs neg and the hosp did
the heavy on antibiotics love jan
- Original Message -
From: Jessica Simms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] PROM


hi Jan,   how are you?  I miss you!
Ive just looked through my lecture notes and found one reference to GBS -
here it is
Btromberger et al.  2000.  The influence of intrapartum antibiotics on the
clinical spectrum of early-onset group B streptococcalinfection in term
infants.  Paediatrics. Vol 106 No.2 August 2000 pp244-249.
My notes also state 0.5-1% of neonates of gbs pos mothers develop s&s of gbs
infection - of these 75-90% occur within the first week of life (most within
the first 6 hours of life).
Neonatal mortality -8 of 49 cases in 1998.
Not sure if these stats are in the article?
Hope this helps a little.
love Jess



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Re: [ozmidwifery] HBA

[jireland]

Andrea I have approached HBA  several times to no avail . All my clients who
have HBA also have tried to get me a provider no GOOD LUCK Jan
- Original Message -
From: Andrea Quanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] HBA


> I know we discussed this ages ago but can anyone recall the answer.
> I have a client who has private insurance with HBA and they say they
> will refund her some of my fees if I am registered with them but when I
> rang them they said I had to have a provider number. When I pointed out
> that midwives don't have provider numbers they claimed that they had
> some registered who did? So does anyone know how one goes about meeting
> their requirements and how long does it all take to sort out?
> Thanks
> Andrea Quanchi
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[ozmidwifery] PROM

[jireland]

I would like a steer in the right direction for 
research pretaining to risks of ruptured membranes over 24 hrs .ie neonatal 
outcome 'the" doctor on duty stated that my client a known GBS neg with rupt 
membranes 24 hrs and in good labour ran the risk of her baby having an infection 
as follows 1 in 100 babies will become septic usually pneumonia and 1 in 5 of 
those will die if the mother refuses antibiotics in labour.
cheers jan 

[ozmidwifery] looking for midwife IN WA

[jireland]

Dear listers I have 
an enquiry from a lady in WA I asked her where she lives ans below 

"The 
Vines, WA 6069, but are not sure for how long, its in the country and I want to 
move back to the beach for summer
so 
some places nearby are:
 
Scarborough
Balcatta
Innaloo
Doubleview
Karinyup
Osborne Park
 
even 
if you can point me in the right right direction re a midwifery contact list in 
WA off the web or something, that would be great "
ALL HELP APPRECIATED 
REGARDS JAN 

[ozmidwifery] looking for homebirth midwife

[jireland]

any of u rare midwives out Colac WAY BIRREGURRA edd 
2-2-03 cheers jan