Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
yes and the company that sells them had a stand at the icm and quoted one hospital where i worked abt 500, 000 bucks to set up three rooms with their machines and the midwives station desk etc (of course the true costs only came out when we dragged it out of them). i wondered what the women would think abt their 500,000 been spent in this way. not to mention the very basics that had not been covered like NOT using dodgy paper soCTG's can also be stored over the 35 odd yearsrequired. Sally-Anne (Brown) - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 1/05/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 1/05/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
well that certainly blows out of the water the argument that intermittent auscultation cant be done because the staff dont have time. how many extra MWs could be employed for one to one care with an extra half a million?? --- Sally-Anne Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes and the company that sells them had a stand at the icm and quoted one hospital where i worked abt 500, 000 bucks to set up three rooms with their machines and the midwives station desk etc (of course the true costs only came out when we dragged it out of them). i wondered what the women would think abt their 500,000 been spent in this way. not to mention the very basics that had not been covered like NOT using dodgy paper so CTG's can also be stored over the 35 odd years required. Sally-Anne (Brown) - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 1/05/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 1/05/2006 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
sue that is sad, i also work at a large hospital in adelaide and this certainly never happens as it is hospital protocol that all women who are on ctg have a midwife with them, i hope your expereinces elsewhere are better than that particular one. regards - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems Hi,I was a student at a large Adelaide hospital and last year I witnessedmost of the midwives staying at the front desk for most of the time watching 'their' women's CTGs.I found it appalling - that we as students were observing this as modern midwifery management; that the women were treated with such lack of compassion and skill; that this was a large teaching hospital - no wonder most of the young doctors have no idea about normal birth.Needless to say I complained to appropriate sources and have refused to revisit that hospital for a clinical placement.Let me get a sore back and dirty knees any day and maybe I'd also have some idea of the woman I was assisting through birth and some idea of how I could help her achieve what she wanted.Sue the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i work in and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending her. regards - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
Hi sue and Sharon, you are right this is sad.Any woman who has a problem that needs to be monitored shouldn't need a protocol to tell the midwife theyshould be in the room with their lady. In fact every midwife should stay with their lady whether they need monitoring or not. (And the research of the benefitsof continuous monitoring VS. intermittent monitoring with a continuous known carer should also be thought about). Any chance you could name the big hospitals you work at so that we can make our clinical assessments on your experiences. Lisa - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems sue that is sad, i also work at a large hospital in adelaide and this certainly never happens as it is hospital protocol that all women who are on ctg have a midwife with them, i hope your expereinces elsewhere are better than that particular one. regards - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems Hi,I was a student at a large Adelaide hospital and last year I witnessedmost of the midwives staying at the front desk for most of the time watching 'their' women's CTGs.I found it appalling - that we as students were observing this as modern midwifery management; that the women were treated with such lack of compassion and skill; that this was a large teaching hospital - no wonder most of the young doctors have no idea about normal birth.Needless to say I complained to appropriate sources and have refused to revisit that hospital for a clinical placement.Let me get a sore back and dirty knees any day and maybe I'd also have some idea of the woman I was assisting through birth and some idea of how I could help her achieve what she wanted.Sue the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i work in and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending her. regards - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
This from the hospital which claims to be extending it's birth centre ethos to LD? That's clearly a crock. I can't believe the lengths hospitals will go to in an effort to avoid dealing with CLIENTS in an appropriate and evidence based manner. This is up there with the new robot designed to labour and birth for training MWs and Obs. J
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i work in and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending her. regards - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
I thought it was more so that the woman wasn't stuck in the room - she can go for a walk to the coffee shop or in the garden or something. Just to normalise labour a bit for those considered a bit more high risk.JoOn 28/04/2006, at 3:19 PM, sharon wrote:the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i work in and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending her.regards- Original Message -From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systemsI was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad…Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
hi all I think any move to make continuous monitoring easier to do is dangerous as it means more and more women will be subjected to it. im sure everyones aware of the huge cochrane review comparing intermittent aus with continuous monitoring. this looks at both high and low risk women and finds an increased incidence of caesareans and instrumental deliveries with no improvement in neonatal morbidity or mortality. so i think whether its done by satellite or not, it is largely a bad ideaif people are going to continue to use continuous monitoring anyway, satellite sounds on the surface to be a much better choice because of mobility and comfort can it still be used if a woman if in water ? Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was more so that the woman wasn't stuck in the room - she can go for a walk to the coffee shop or in the garden or something. Just to normalise labour a bit for those considered a bit more high risk.JoOn 28/04/2006, at 3:19 PM, sharon wrote:the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i work in and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending her. regards- Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
Hi, I was a student at a large Adelaide hospital and last year I witnessed most of the midwives staying at the front desk for most of the time watching 'their' women's CTGs. I found it appalling - that we as students were observing this as modern midwifery management; that the women were treated with such lack of compassion and skill; that this was a large teaching hospital - no wonder most of the young doctors have no idea about normal birth. Needless to say I complained to appropriate sources and have refused to revisit that hospital for a clinical placement. Let me get a sore back and dirty knees any day and maybe I'd also have some idea of the woman I was assisting through birth and some idea of how I could help her achieve what she wanted. Sue the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i work in and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending her. regards - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
Hi Kelly, I worked with telemetry CTG's in 1986 at Westmead where everyon'es CTG could be seen at the desk (we were trying to escape back then as well). The patients couldn't move around then, but the newer telemetry units work without a central viewing area. I don't know about satellites but you never know. Joan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Friday, 28 April 2006 13:55To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad... Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us by return e-mail and delete the document. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Eastern Health is not liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication or for any delay in its receipt.
