Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres

2007-03-05 Thread Denise Hynd
Dear Kate 
Are you in WA 
I can put you in touch with various people who can give you some background to 
the closure of Swan and Mandurah birth Centres 
here is my off list contact 

Denise Hynd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake 
of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our 
bodies will be handled.

- Linda Hes

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kate reynolds 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:28 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres


  Hi all, 

   

  Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in 
Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients billed? 
Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and therefore bill 
for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in case???

   

  Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth 
Centres in WA were closed?

  Cheers,

  kate



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres

2007-03-05 Thread Susan Cudlipp
Hi Kate
I must have missed the first post here - just got Denise's reply.
I was one of the Swan Districts Birth Centre team when it began.  The reasons 
given for it's eventual closure were many and varied but boiled down to:

Insufficient consumer use- this was sad and I'm sure that had there been 
greater public demand/awareness we might still be in business.  Those that 
used our FBC loved it, but our exclusion and transfer criteria policies meant 
a high transfer-out rate, also just the one room meant that if 2 FBC ladies 
were labouring at the same time it was 'first come first serve'. A large 
proportion of transfers were for this reason.   So our numbers were only about 
70 births per year, but we handled all of the ante-natal care for those who 
chose FBC or our GP/MW Public ANC option.

Expense, and what was seen (by management) as waste of resources in use of 
experienced midwives, sometimes 'doubling-up' of services i.e. home visiting, 
childbirth classes. cars, mobile phones (Oh the trouble we had trying to get 
more than ONE mobile phone in the beginning!!)  We were also on a higher wage 
scale to allow for the unsociable hours of on-call and nights.

Difficulty in recruiting midwives to the system of on-call within a team of 
only 3 midwives, trying to recruit from within staff already employed, many of 
whom were not interested in this sort of work/system. It was hard to take time 
off when ther was no one to relieve!  I worked for the fist 18 months without 
a holiday because there were no replacements - also meant you could not be 
sick!

Pressure from the Obs who did not approve and who were not willing to 'pick up 
the disasters that the m/w's and GP's could not handle' - never have been 
'team players' our guys!!

And basically and bottom line (IMHO) was that it was established after sitting 
empty for many years while fighting to overcome the objections to its use (a 
bit like our bath on labour ward is right now - still not allowed to use the 
blessed thing - 6 months down and counting!!)  and that management never 
really wanted it to succeed, we were under threat of closure almost from the 
first birth.  They want to run an obstetric unit and have no place for GP or 
midwifery-led options - despite all they say to the contrary. 

We fought long and hard, and tried some different options to overcome the above 
issues but eventually lost our unit, and sadly our lovely GPs, most of whom no 
longer have any outlet to practice obstetrics at all which is a great loss to 
our local women. The FBC is now used as the doctors' private flat for when they 
are here on their 24hour (highly lucrative) stints. For a while we were able to 
use it as a private place to care for women/families undergoing pregnancy loss, 
the doctor on duty would move out and these families really appreciated this 
service. However the Obs have even taken this away and refuse to go sleep 
anywhere else when the situation occurs, even though there are very acceptable 
alternatives open to them.

I for one still mourn its loss - although have to say that it was by no means a 
'perfect' system and there are many better ways to organise mid-led care.  Met 
one of 'my' FBC mums and 11 year-old boy last week, she was visiting a friend 
and new bub,  and I still remembered her name, her son's name and her surname 
(for me quite amazing as I have a big problem with names:-)) even remembered 
where she had lived!  That was the difference - we really knew our FBC ladies 
and had a good time with them and their births.

As for Mandurah - I have no idea but would imagine a similar story - anyone out 
there who was part of that team?

Regards
Sue
PS
email off list if you want more details
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise Hynd 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres


  Dear Kate 
  Are you in WA 
  I can put you in touch with various people who can give you some background 
to the closure of Swan and Mandurah birth Centres 
  here is my off list contact 

  Denise Hynd
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the 
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, 
our bodies will be handled.

  - Linda Hes

- Original Message - 
From: Kate reynolds 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres


Hi all, 

 

Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in 
Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients billed? 
Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and therefore bill 
for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in case???

 

Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth 
Centres

[ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres

2007-03-04 Thread Kate reynolds
Hi all, 

 

Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in
Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients
billed? Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and
therefore bill for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in
case???

 

Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth
Centres in WA were closed?

Cheers,

kate