[ozmidwifery] Australian Story

[Timothy & Rochelle]

Dear List,
 
I think I saw an add tonight for next weeks Australian Story 
(Monday 28th ABC 8:00pm) to be the follow up to 'Losing Layla', so might want 
to keep an eye out. 
 
Rochelle

[ozmidwifery] Australian Story

[Larry & Megan]

I needed to comment on the follow up of Vanessa,Layla and her very beautiful
Raphael and I wish no disrespect to her or her choices. I was watching and
crying as we all no doubt were but when I saw her baby being born by
caesarean my whole body wrenched and I cried new tears that caught me by
surprise. I cried for all the babies denied the chance to be born vagianlly,
it is not the gentle birth that they promise. I know she has her live baby
and I wish her all the love in the world for that.
I was intrigued that her epidural didn't work and my thoughts were that she
needed to feel the pain of her child being born. I wonder what difference it
would make to the heeling process to have a subsequent pregnancy supported
by a midwife who could help you on the journey? It looked as if she chose
technology and obstetric care which can give you a live baby but doesn't
address those deeper concerns about the bodies ability to birth. I wonder if
she explored the option of one-on-one midwifery care?

Just some thoughts I had on it,
Megan.

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[ozmidwifery] australian story

[Grant and Louise]

  Vanessa's first birth was a C/section too. Was that 
  safe?
   
  LOUISE
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[Dr Penelope A Barrett]

I wondered why she had said that she was having a caesarean section because
it was 'safest' way to go. She may have had other reasons but this was not a
good editing job (whoever did it) to let this bit get out without context.
The partner's comments I found a bit 'off' - talking about what she had been
prior to the pregnancy and then afterwards - implying it was a bit of a
turnoff - again possibly a poor editing job as comments like this may have
been taken out of context.

I thought that this wasn't such a sound message to be sending out on
national TV as it's not true.

Penny.


On 30/10/02 11:51 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I needed to comment on the follow up of Vanessa,Layla and her very beautiful
> Raphael and I wish no disrespect to her or her choices. I was watching and
> crying as we all no doubt were but when I saw her baby being born by

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[Jodie Miller]

I watched that show with interest and I feel that Vanessa Gorman simply felt 
she had more "control" in the context of a caesarean delivery, that she 
wanted to avoid any "surprises" such that natural vaginal birth might present 
to her.  I felt sorry for her as a second vaginal birth might have been a 
very healing experience for her.just my lay opinion.

Jodie Miller




On Tuesday 05 November 2002 12:21, Dr Penelope A Barrett wrote:
> I wondered why she had said that she was having a caesarean section because
> it was 'safest' way to go. She may have had other reasons but this was not
> a good editing job (whoever did it) to let this bit get out without
> context. The partner's comments I found a bit 'off' - talking about what
> she had been prior to the pregnancy and then afterwards - implying it was a
> bit of a turnoff - again possibly a poor editing job as comments like this
> may have been taken out of context.
>
> I thought that this wasn't such a sound message to be sending out on
> national TV as it's not true.
>
> Penny.
>
> On 30/10/02 11:51 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I needed to comment on the follow up of Vanessa,Layla and her very
> > beautiful Raphael and I wish no disrespect to her or her choices. I was
> > watching and crying as we all no doubt were but when I saw her baby being
> > born by

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[Marilyn Kleidon]

Wasn't the first birth an emergency c/s? I got the feeling 
she thought the baby was alive and well before labour started and then the baby 
pased mec, the emergency c/s and the MAS. I think there was a lot of fear 
involved and I think at least in the Women's Weekly story the mum acknowledged 
that. I too was disappointed that she opted for a ceasarean birth, but I have 
never had to face her situation. Many, many issues which may or may not ever be 
faced.
 
I worked with an amazing woman in the USA who had a very empowering 
homebirth vbac with her second daughter after a stillbirth due to ascending 
E.coli infection with her first. Her first birth had been an intended homebirth 
that was transfered to the hospital for prolonged labour after prolonged 
rupture of membranes and mec liquor. The mum and babe were monitored with ctg 
upon admission and a satisfactory trace was obtained. The cesarean was finally 
done for so-called FTP but not fetal distress, the baby was moribund when born, 
though they did try to resuscitate her. Apparently the whole theatre staff were 
crying, as they had all expected a live baby. This birth had happened in a small 
rural hospital in another state, so everyone new each other it was very 
traumatic. The mom had not dilated past 3cm during this birth. So, with her 
second birth we decided that if we had to do a VE no matter what it would never 
be 3cm. This mom worked so hard on processing all through her pregnancy and 
before and afterwards, on many levels too psychological, spiritual, physical. 
When she did go into labour, she galloped along so that when I got there and she 
requested a VE there was no lying about her 6cm and 2 hours later she had a 
lovely 9.5 lb baby girl crying in her arms. Mom had been certain she was having 
a boy, and was just overjoyed and overwhelmed with her daughter.
 
Just my thoughts.
marilyn

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[Terry Garnons-Williams]

Marilyn: we need more of these stories - thanks so much 
for sharing this one with us.  Cheers! terry

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  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
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  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] australian 
  story
  
  Wasn't the first birth an emergency c/s? I got the feeling 
  she thought the baby was alive and well before labour started and then the 
  baby pased mec, the emergency c/s and the MAS. I think there was a lot of 
  fear involved and I think at least in the Women's Weekly story the mum 
  acknowledged that. I too was disappointed that she opted for a ceasarean 
  birth, but I have never had to face her situation. Many, many issues which may 
  or may not ever be faced.
   
  I worked with an amazing woman in the USA who had a very empowering 
  homebirth vbac with her second daughter after a stillbirth due to ascending 
  E.coli infection with her first. Her first birth had been an intended 
  homebirth that was transfered to the hospital for prolonged labour after 
  prolonged rupture of membranes and mec liquor. The mum and babe were monitored 
  with ctg upon admission and a satisfactory trace was obtained. The cesarean 
  was finally done for so-called FTP but not fetal distress, the baby was 
  moribund when born, though they did try to resuscitate her. Apparently the 
  whole theatre staff were crying, as they had all expected a live baby. This 
  birth had happened in a small rural hospital in another state, so everyone new 
  each other it was very traumatic. The mom had not dilated past 3cm during this 
  birth. So, with her second birth we decided that if we had to do a VE no 
  matter what it would never be 3cm. This mom worked so hard on processing all 
  through her pregnancy and before and afterwards, on many levels too 
  psychological, spiritual, physical. When she did go into labour, she galloped 
  along so that when I got there and she requested a VE there was no lying about 
  her 6cm and 2 hours later she had a lovely 9.5 lb baby girl crying in her 
  arms. Mom had been certain she was having a boy, and was just overjoyed and 
  overwhelmed with her daughter.
   
  Just my thoughts.
  marilyn
  
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Louise 
To: Ozmidwifery 
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:05 
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  Vanessa's first birth was a C/section too. Was that 
  safe?
   
  LOUISE
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