Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
MessageWhere do you work Zoe? moving to OZ at the end of the year and trying to build up a picture of good places to work. Shelly Midwife (England) - Original Message - From: bigpond To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. I work in the private system where we have just recently had a vaginal breech delivery. She was a known breech presentation ( 2nd baby ) and wanted a vaginal delivery. Her doctor fully supported her in this decision. She went into natural labour / no pain relief got up on to the bed a the last minute and everything was very hands off. We have also had three sets of twins born in the last month who were vaginal delivery ( 2 primips / 1 multi ) all with the second twin breech. These women all knew that it was 'possible' to have the birth they wanted even though they were in the private system. This was with three different doctors who are all 'skilled' in breech delivery. cheers zoe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 4:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. I think your friend would probably be safer with an elective c/s than attempting a breech birth in the private system. it is unlikely to be physiological but will be medically managed which is just not safe. If she is seriously considering a breech birth it's important that the practitioner is confident in breech birth and physiological labour. In both the public and private system the care is undertaken by midwives and the breech extracted by an Ob, this is not something I would recommend. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. Sorry if this is a double post, didn't see it come through: "Are there any Obs in Adelaide who are waterbirth and breech birth friendly? My friend is hoping to get into the Midwifery Group Practice at the Womens and Children's in Adelaide. Places are limited though and rather than the public system being the second option she would prefer private care with an Ob. Ultimately her birthing preference would be to have a waterbirth... are there any Obs that are open to accommodating this request? At the same time... are their any Obs in Adelaide that will deliver a breech baby vaginally (says something positive for their philosophy on birth)? Any recommendation/help with this would be greatly appreciated!!" Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth & Post Natal Services Conference 2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
I am putting a resource together, in its early stages but I am working on it: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, <http://www.bellybelly.com.au> BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth <http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/> & Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. Can we have the names of these practitioners then? As a member of the three consumer groups, I get weekly phone calls from women wanting these kinds of births, and they have no way of finding out who might or might not support them.only yesterday I talked to someone who has a friend who has twins, second one presenting breech, and has been told that the only way to 'deliver' them is in theatre by section, and that there is 'no-one in Adelaide that would do it any differently'. I'd love to know who the ob's are that are at least open to discussing this with women, and that's how I'd frame it, if asked, that these people would be worth making an appointment with and at least talking to about it. Tania I'd like the details too. I would love to find a supportive Ob in South Australia, where I am, and like Tania would be only too happy to recommend skilled practitioners inside the system here especially if they don't encourage epidural and sytocinon. That's pretty good going. Lisa Barrett
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
Message Can we have the names of these practitioners then? As a member of the three consumer groups, I get weekly phone calls from women wanting these kinds of births, and they have no way of finding out who might or might not support them…only yesterday I talked to someone who has a friend who has twins, second one presenting breech, and has been told that the only way to ‘deliver’ them is in theatre by section, and that there is ‘no-one in Adelaide that would do it any differently’. I’d love to know who the ob’s are that are at least open to discussing this with women, and that’s how I’d frame it, if asked, that these people would be worth making an appointment with and at least talking to about it… Tania I'd like the details too. I would love to find a supportive Ob in South Australia, where I am, and like Tania would be only too happy to recommend skilled practitioners inside the system here especially if they don't encourage epidural and sytocinon. That's pretty good going. Lisa Barrett
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
Can we have the names of these practitioners then? As a member of the three consumer groups, I get weekly phone calls from women wanting these kinds of births, and they have no way of finding out who might or might not support them…only yesterday I talked to someone who has a friend who has twins, second one presenting breech, and has been told that the only way to ‘deliver’ them is in theatre by section, and that there is ‘no-one in Adelaide that would do it any differently’. I’d love to know who the ob’s are that are at least open to discussing this with women, and that’s how I’d frame it, if asked, that these people would be worth making an appointment with and at least talking to about it… Tania _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bigpond Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 9:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. I work in the private system where we have just recently had a vaginal breech delivery. She was a known breech presentation ( 2nd baby ) and wanted a vaginal delivery. Her doctor fully supported her in this decision. She went into natural labour / no pain relief got up on to the bed a the last minute and everything was very hands off. We have also had three sets of twins born in the last month who were vaginal delivery ( 2 primips / 1 multi ) all with the second twin breech. These women all knew that it was 'possible' to have the birth they wanted even though they were in the private system. This was with three different doctors who are all 'skilled' in breech delivery. cheers zoe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 4:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. I think your friend would probably be safer with an elective c/s than attempting a breech birth in the private system. it is unlikely to be physiological but will be medically managed which is just not safe. If she is seriously considering a breech birth it's important that the practitioner is confident in breech birth and physiological labour. In both the public and private system the care is undertaken by midwives and the breech extracted by an Ob, this is not something I would recommend. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Kelly Zantey To: HYPERLINK "mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au"ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. Sorry if this is a double post, didn’t see it come through: “Are there any Obs in Adelaide who are waterbirth and breech birth friendly? My friend is hoping to get into the Midwifery Group Practice at the Womens and Children's in Adelaide. Places are limited though and rather than the public system being the second option she would prefer private care with an Ob. Ultimately her birthing preference would be to have a waterbirth... are there any Obs that are open to accommodating this request? At the same time... are their any Obs in Adelaide that will deliver a breech baby vaginally (says something positive for their philosophy on birth)? Any recommendation/help with this would be greatly appreciated!!” Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, HYPERLINK "http://www.bellybelly.com.au"BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby HYPERLINK "http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/"Australian Birth & Post Natal Services Conference 2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 29/01/2007 2:49 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 29/01/2007 2:49 PM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
MessageIsn't that just so wonderful to hear. It gives us so much hope. I was
present at a breech birth last year with Kelly. It was just awesome and like
you say so much hands off.
My biggest hope is though that these skilled doctors will pass on the skills to
the next generation and fingers crossed that they don't just get sucked back
into the system.
Di Gardner
- Original Message -
From: bigpond
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
I work in the private system where we have just recently had a vaginal breech
delivery. She was a known breech presentation ( 2nd baby ) and wanted a vaginal
delivery. Her doctor fully supported her in this decision. She went into
natural labour / no pain relief got up on to the bed a the last minute and
everything was very hands off. We have also had three sets of twins born in the
last month who were vaginal delivery ( 2 primips / 1 multi ) all with the
second twin breech. These women all knew that it was 'possible' to have the
birth they wanted even though they were in the private system. This was with
three different doctors who are all 'skilled' in breech delivery.
cheers
zoe
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett
Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 4:58 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
I think your friend would probably be safer with an elective c/s than
attempting a breech birth in the private system. it is unlikely to be
physiological but will be medically managed which is just not safe.
If she is seriously considering a breech birth it's important that the
practitioner is confident in breech birth and physiological labour. In both
the public and private system the care is undertaken by midwives and the breech
extracted by an Ob, this is not something I would recommend.
Lisa Barrett
- Original Message -
From: Kelly Zantey
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
Sorry if this is a double post, didn't see it come through:
"Are there any Obs in Adelaide who are waterbirth and breech birth
friendly?
My friend is hoping to get into the Midwifery Group Practice at the
Womens and Children's in Adelaide. Places are limited though and rather than
the public system being the second option she would prefer private care with an
Ob.
Ultimately her birthing preference would be to have a waterbirth... are
there any Obs that are open to accommodating this request? At the same time...
are their any Obs in Adelaide that will deliver a breech baby vaginally (says
something positive for their philosophy on birth)?
Any recommendation/help with this would be greatly appreciated!!"
Best Regards,
Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au
Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby
Australian Birth & Post Natal Services Conference 2007
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
I work in the private system where we have just recently had a vaginal breech delivery. She was a known breech presentation ( 2nd baby ) and wanted a vaginal delivery. Her doctor fully supported her in this decision. She went into natural labour / no pain relief got up on to the bed a the last minute and everything was very hands off. We have also had three sets of twins born in the last month who were vaginal delivery ( 2 primips / 1 multi ) all with the second twin breech. These women all knew that it was 'possible' to have the birth they wanted even though they were in the private system. This was with three different doctors who are all 'skilled' in breech delivery. cheers zoe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 4:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. I think your friend would probably be safer with an elective c/s than attempting a breech birth in the private system. it is unlikely to be physiological but will be medically managed which is just not safe. If she is seriously considering a breech birth it's important that the practitioner is confident in breech birth and physiological labour. In both the public and private system the care is undertaken by midwives and the breech extracted by an Ob, this is not something I would recommend. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. Sorry if this is a double post, didn't see it come through: "Are there any Obs in Adelaide who are waterbirth and breech birth friendly? My friend is hoping to get into the Midwifery Group Practice at the Womens and Children's in Adelaide. Places are limited though and rather than the public system being the second option she would prefer private care with an Ob. Ultimately her birthing preference would be to have a waterbirth... are there any Obs that are open to accommodating this request? At the same time... are their any Obs in Adelaide that will deliver a breech baby vaginally (says something positive for their philosophy on birth)? Any recommendation/help with this would be greatly appreciated!!" Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, <http://www.bellybelly.com.au> BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth <http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/> & Post Natal Services Conference 2007
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
I think your friend would probably be safer with an elective c/s than attempting a breech birth in the private system. it is unlikely to be physiological but will be medically managed which is just not safe. If she is seriously considering a breech birth it's important that the practitioner is confident in breech birth and physiological labour. In both the public and private system the care is undertaken by midwives and the breech extracted by an Ob, this is not something I would recommend. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. Sorry if this is a double post, didn't see it come through: "Are there any Obs in Adelaide who are waterbirth and breech birth friendly? My friend is hoping to get into the Midwifery Group Practice at the Womens and Children's in Adelaide. Places are limited though and rather than the public system being the second option she would prefer private care with an Ob. Ultimately her birthing preference would be to have a waterbirth... are there any Obs that are open to accommodating this request? At the same time... are their any Obs in Adelaide that will deliver a breech baby vaginally (says something positive for their philosophy on birth)? Any recommendation/help with this would be greatly appreciated!!" Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth & Post Natal Services Conference 2007
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
I’m not recommending anyone per say, because as we all know, the difference between the philosophies of midwives and private ob’s are often great…however, it is worth looking at Chris Wilkinson and Brian Peat at the Women’s and Childrens, and I know Basil Antonas does vaginal breeches for a second baby…not sure of any others that would put themselves out there with that kind of stuff, there are a couple of Ob’s at Burnside who recommend women to hire birthing pools (there are no baths there in their labour ward) – Karen Chandler and Tracey Bradbury, but I’ve never met either of them. They are both of the opinion that women can ‘wallow’ in labour, but not birth in water…not sure what the midwives that work there think about that. Not sure if that’s helpful, but a few names are better than none I suppose…something to go on with and start researching…of course, if she wants something better than that she should be looking for a practitioner who regularly attends waterbirths, and is comfortable with her birthing any which way she pleases – perhaps a private midwife?? Many are very comfortable with the idea of an uncomplicated breech, waterbirth, standing, whatever… :-) HTH Tania Xx PS you could always refer her to contact the Birth Matters group (my email or HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) for further information _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 12:00 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. Sorry if this is a double post, didn’t see it come through: “Are there any Obs in Adelaide who are waterbirth and breech birth friendly? My friend is hoping to get into the Midwifery Group Practice at the Womens and Children's in Adelaide. Places are limited though and rather than the public system being the second option she would prefer private care with an Ob. Ultimately her birthing preference would be to have a waterbirth... are there any Obs that are open to accommodating this request? At the same time... are their any Obs in Adelaide that will deliver a breech baby vaginally (says something positive for their philosophy on birth)? Any recommendation/help with this would be greatly appreciated!!” Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, HYPERLINK "http://www.bellybelly.com.au"BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby HYPERLINK "http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/"Australian Birth & Post Natal Services Conference 2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 29/01/2007 2:49 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 29/01/2007 2:49 PM
