RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

Yesterday was a bit of a flop - had a very questionable registrar who had no
history on my client (well hadn't bothered reading which she should have
being a high risk patient, in more ways than just a VBAC). She had trouble
finding the cervix and continued on to say it was closed. I asked if it was
at least soft and she said yes, but on speaking to my client who apparently
checked for herself only hours before, she said it was definitely hard and
closed - so I am really questioning this registrar who had no idea... My
client is going public at Monash... Registrar made her another appointment
for next Friday (11 days post dates) which I thought was good in that they
are giving her the opportunity to go into spontaneous labour - but we had to
ask her several times for a scan to check placenta function / fluid since
she was going overdue ('no, you had one at 19 weeks you don't need anymore
for a pregnancy - how about some monitoring?') - to which we reminded her
that in her last pregnancy, the umbilical cord fell off the placenta as baby
was born via caesar... *argh* - it was a complete nightmare for poor mum and
me to listen to it! She said yes about a balloon induction but then said no
they don't have the skills to do it - very confusing - it was like she had
no idea what was going on. So mum is freaking out, will be going for more
monitoring and a scan on Tuesday morning to which mum is more relieved to
get confirmation of the placenta and fluid being okay. I think if this
registrar turns up when mum is in labour, she will have a heart attack. If
she makes it to Friday, she has an appointment with the consultant, so
she'll get more sense out of it... I really hope she can hang in there.

Best Regards,
 
Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2005 9:33 PM
To: Ozmidwifery
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- Original Message -
From: "Kathy McCarthy-Bushby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


> Hi Kelly,
> The balloon can be used for any primip or multip with an unripe cervix
with
> baby in a cephalic position. The balloon seems to be far safer with 
> far
less
> side effects than the prostaglandin gel (which of course can not be 
> used
in
> vbac women). I have also seen the balloon used in women planning a 
> vbac after 1 and 2 c/s with success. Ooops, i'd better clarify, the 
> balloon is not used for women with a breech baby. what i meant to say 
> that the woman
I
> was talking about had previously had a c/s for a breech baby and 
> achieved
a
> vbac with the next baby in a head down position in the second 
> pregnancy.
The
> balloon has only been around in recent years and it may not exist in 
> all hospitals, but it is worth looking into. We were initially all a 
> bit sceptical in our unit when the balloon was introduced, but in 
> hindsight,
we
> can see that the balloon is a far safer option than the prostaglandin 
> gel for both the mother and baby. Keep on reminding the woman that she 
> can do this regards
> kathy
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?
>
>
> Thank-you so much for this info Kathy - do they use this on other 
> women
too,
> apart from the vbac or breech women? I've just never heard of it 
> before!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kelly Zantey
> Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle 
> Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby Australian Little 
> Tikes Specialists
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy 
> McCarthy-Bushby
> Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2005 3:38 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?
>
>
> Hi Kelly,
> Kate has given you a great reply on balloon inductions which have been 
> safely used with vbac induction. After insertion of the balloon, the 
> woman may begin contracting and the balloon may fall out once the 
> woman is
dilated
> to 3-4cm, or if the balloon doesn't fall out overnight, then it is 
> removed the next morning, followed by artificially rupturing the 
> membranes. Some women experience period pain, back pain, difficulty 
> urinating and early lab

RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Judy Chapman]

This one? 
http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/index.htm
Cheers
Judy

--- Vedrana Valèiæ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I remember I was reading somewhere about how 40 weeks is not
> the mean duration of pregnancy, it is more, and it is
> different for first and subsequent pregnancies. I can't seem
> to find that article anywhere. This might be of interest to
> her, if I could just find it somewhere... It was pretty old, I
> think from the sixties last centry.
> 
> Vedrana
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Kelly @ BellyBelly
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:58 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?
> 
> Thank-you so much for this, have forwarded it to her... She's
> still going at
> 40w3d with no signs of anything happening as yet, appointment
> with the high
> risk Ob tomorrow where I know there will be talk of induction
> / caesar...
> Can you please tell me more about this balloon induction - not
> heard of it
> before? Want to be armed with info for what's to come with the
> challenge
> tomorrow... 
> 
> Best Regards,
>  
> Kelly Zantey
> Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
> Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
> Australian Little Tikes Specialists
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Kathy
> McCarthy-Bushby
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 5:49 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?
> 
> 
> Hi Kelly,
> The website www.birthrites.org has a page on natural induction
> including
> information on EPO doses either orally or vaginally, nipple
> stimulation,
> accupressure (4 fingers above the inner aspect of the ankle
> bone). EPO, is
> great for women planning a vbac for ripening the cervix, but
> if she doesn't
> get into labour naturally, EPO can make the cervix ripe for
> ARM and the
> balloon induction has been safely used for vbac women with an
> unripe cervix.
> kathy
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?
> 
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum
> who's hoping
> for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont
> induce her of
> course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with
> ripening her cervix.
> I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can
> anyone confirm or
> recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none
> the less, but
> often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg &
> baby like this.
> Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia
> with the first
> but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still
> be okay with
> EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think
> she's actually
> quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood
> pressure
> (she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with
> her tomorrow to
> hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in
> fewer words
> she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a
> big chat
> tomorrow.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kelly Zantey
> Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
> Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
> Australian Little
> Tikes Specialists
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Vedrana Valčić]

Found it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2342739&dopt=Citation

Obstet Gynecol. 1990 Jun;75(6):929-32. Related Articles, Links  

Comment in: 
Obstet Gynecol. 1990 Oct;76(4):732-4.

The length of uncomplicated human gestation.

Mittendorf R, Williams MA, Berkey CS, Cotter PF.

Department of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, 
Massachusetts.

By retrospective exclusion of gestations with known obstetric complications, 
maternal diseases, or unreliable menstrual histories, we found that 
uncomplicated, spontaneous-labor pregnancy in private-care white mothers is 
longer than Naegele's rule predicts. For primiparas, the median duration of 
gestation from assumed ovulation to delivery was 274 days, significantly longer 
than the predicted 266 days (P = .0003). For multiparas, the median duration of 
pregnancy was 269 days, also significantly longer than the prediction (P = 
.019). Moreover, the median length of pregnancy in primiparas proved to be 
significantly longer than that for multiparas (P = .0032). Thus, this study 
suggests that when estimating a due date for private-care white patients, one 
should count back 3 months from the first day of the last menses, then add 15 
days for primiparas or 10 days for multiparas, instead of using the common 
algorithm for Naegele's rule.

MeSH Terms: 
Female 
Humans 
Parity 
Pregnancy* 
Private Practice 
Retrospective Studies 
Time Factors 

PMID: 2342739 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

I remember I was reading somewhere about how 40 weeks is not the mean duration 
of pregnancy, it is more, and it is different for first and subsequent 
pregnancies. I can't seem to find that article anywhere. This might be of 
interest to her, if I could just find it somewhere... It was pretty old, I 
think from the sixties last centry.

Vedrana

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ 
BellyBelly
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:58 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

Thank-you so much for this, have forwarded it to her... She's still going at
40w3d with no signs of anything happening as yet, appointment with the high
risk Ob tomorrow where I know there will be talk of induction / caesar...
Can you please tell me more about this balloon induction - not heard of it
before? Want to be armed with info for what's to come with the challenge
tomorrow... 

Best Regards,
 
Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy
McCarthy-Bushby
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 5:49 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hi Kelly,
The website www.birthrites.org has a page on natural induction including
information on EPO doses either orally or vaginally, nipple stimulation,
accupressure (4 fingers above the inner aspect of the ankle bone). EPO, is
great for women planning a vbac for ripening the cervix, but if she doesn't
get into labour naturally, EPO can make the cervix ripe for ARM and the
balloon induction has been safely used for vbac women with an unripe cervix.
kathy
- Original Message -
From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's hoping
for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her cervix.
I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like this.
Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow to
hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
tomorrow.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.co

RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Vedrana Valčić]

I remember I was reading somewhere about how 40 weeks is not the mean duration 
of pregnancy, it is more, and it is different for first and subsequent 
pregnancies. I can't seem to find that article anywhere. This might be of 
interest to her, if I could just find it somewhere... It was pretty old, I 
think from the sixties last centry.

Vedrana

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ 
BellyBelly
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:58 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

Thank-you so much for this, have forwarded it to her... She's still going at
40w3d with no signs of anything happening as yet, appointment with the high
risk Ob tomorrow where I know there will be talk of induction / caesar...
Can you please tell me more about this balloon induction - not heard of it
before? Want to be armed with info for what's to come with the challenge
tomorrow... 

Best Regards,
 
Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy
McCarthy-Bushby
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 5:49 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hi Kelly,
The website www.birthrites.org has a page on natural induction including
information on EPO doses either orally or vaginally, nipple stimulation,
accupressure (4 fingers above the inner aspect of the ankle bone). EPO, is
great for women planning a vbac for ripening the cervix, but if she doesn't
get into labour naturally, EPO can make the cervix ripe for ARM and the
balloon induction has been safely used for vbac women with an unripe cervix.
kathy
- Original Message -
From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's hoping
for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her cervix.
I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like this.
Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow to
hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
tomorrow.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby Australian Little
Tikes Specialists

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Kathy McCarthy-Bushby]

Hi Kelly,
Kate has given you a great reply on balloon inductions which have been
safely used with vbac induction. After insertion of the balloon, the woman
may begin contracting and the balloon may fall out once the woman is dilated
to 3-4cm, or if the balloon doesn't fall out overnight, then it is removed
the next morning, followed by artificially rupturing the membranes. Some
women experience period pain, back pain, difficulty urinating and early
labour signs with the balloon in place and a very small percentage are
unable to tolerate the balloon at all, so it is usually removed. I remember
caring for a woman at 39 weeks with a history of elective c/s for a breech
baby who was being induced for a particular reason for the 2nd pregnancy,
she had the balloon inserted, it stayed in overnight, she had lots of
contractions overnight, but not in established labour, next morning the
balloon was removed, an ARM perforned at 10am, by 1.30 pm she had given
birth vaginally to a beautiful girl.

Your Client has options here, an induction should not be considered until
she is post dates just like any other primip who hasn't laboured regardless
of whether she has laboured or  not in the past eg 41 weeks. Another woman I
know was 10 days post dates when she went into spontaneous labour on the
11th day after starting EPO the day before and she gave birth vaginally to
her baby as well (she now has had 2 successful vbacs). The plan was that she
would see the Doctors on day 12 to discuss induction or c/s, but of course,
it wasn't necessary. I have seen women successfully acheive a vbac following
ARM and syntocinon induction, but of course, very close fetal monitoring is
required and the woman's chances of acheiving a vbac drop to about 50%, but
it is nonetheless possible. It can be helpful to consider natural
alternatives following an ARM to avoid syntocinon infusion eg nipple
stimulation, accupressure.

 Another opption to consider would be offering some sort of compromise to
the Doctor eg more frequent assessment of the baby's well being can help the
woman buy more time to await labour. Another way to deal with the Doctor is
to ask "why" or use BRAN eg 'what are the benefits, risks, alternatives or
options of doing nothing" for vaginal birth, c/s or awaiting spontaneous
labour, induction etc.
Kathy
- Original Message -
From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Thank-you so much for this, have forwarded it to her... She's still going at
40w3d with no signs of anything happening as yet, appointment with the high
risk Ob tomorrow where I know there will be talk of induction / caesar...
Can you please tell me more about this balloon induction - not heard of it
before? Want to be armed with info for what's to come with the challenge
tomorrow...

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy
McCarthy-Bushby
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 5:49 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hi Kelly,
The website www.birthrites.org has a page on natural induction including
information on EPO doses either orally or vaginally, nipple stimulation,
accupressure (4 fingers above the inner aspect of the ankle bone). EPO, is
great for women planning a vbac for ripening the cervix, but if she doesn't
get into labour naturally, EPO can make the cervix ripe for ARM and the
balloon induction has been safely used for vbac women with an unripe cervix.
kathy
- Original Message -
From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's hoping
for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her cervix.
I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like this.
Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow to
hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She'

RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Kate Reynolds]

Hi Kelly,

A balloon induction is similar to the old way of induction before E2 gel
(used to feed F2alpha into the catheter every 2 hours). A foleys catheter is
inserted through the cervix, the balloon is then inflated with 30mls sterile
H2O, the catheter is placed on traction (i.e taped firmly to the woman's
lower thigh - done while prone with relevant leg bent at knee). The
principle is that the inflated balloon stimulates the cervix/prostaglandins
and over time ripens the cervix. When the Cx is ripe the catheter will
either fall out or come out easy when gently 'tugged'. A small number labour
spontaneously but most are then suitable for ARM and if an Ob has anything
to do it, synto. KEMH has done a recent study (not sure if published yet),
very effective, no need for drugs (therefore less hyperstimulation and
associated risks). Insertion is somewhat uncomfortable for women but
complications are rare. I can get you a copy of a policy if you would like.

Cheers,
Kate
PS this is the 'in a nutshell' version.


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

Thank-you so much for this, have forwarded it to her... She's still going at
40w3d with no signs of anything happening as yet, appointment with the high
risk Ob tomorrow where I know there will be talk of induction / caesar...
Can you please tell me more about this balloon induction - not heard of it
before? Want to be armed with info for what's to come with the challenge
tomorrow... 

Best Regards,
 
Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy
McCarthy-Bushby
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 5:49 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hi Kelly,
The website www.birthrites.org has a page on natural induction including
information on EPO doses either orally or vaginally, nipple stimulation,
accupressure (4 fingers above the inner aspect of the ankle bone). EPO, is
great for women planning a vbac for ripening the cervix, but if she doesn't
get into labour naturally, EPO can make the cervix ripe for ARM and the
balloon induction has been safely used for vbac women with an unripe cervix.
kathy
- Original Message -
From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's hoping
for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her cervix.
I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like this.
Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow to
hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
tomorrow.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby Australian Little
Tikes Specialists

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Kathy McCarthy-Bushby]

Hi Kelly,
The website www.birthrites.org has a page on natural induction including
information on EPO doses either orally or vaginally, nipple stimulation,
accupressure (4 fingers above the inner aspect of the ankle bone). EPO, is
great for women planning a vbac for ripening the cervix, but if she doesn't
get into labour naturally, EPO can make the cervix ripe for ARM and the
balloon induction has been safely used for vbac women with an unripe cervix.
kathy
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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's hoping
for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her cervix.
I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like this.
Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow to
hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
tomorrow.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[brendamanning]

Sorry, I mean stand firm with the NO EL C/S not IOL..either 
really..think I'll just go back to bed  SO that my brain 
will function normally, weeell  better anyway!


BM
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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?



Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's hoping
for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her 
of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her 
cervix.

I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like 
this.

Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow 
to

hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
tomorrow.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[brendamanning]

DOH !!!
Night duty brain !!
BM
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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?



Evening Primrose Oil

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, 19 September 2005 12:51 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

Kelly,
What is EPO ?
Brenda
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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?



Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's 
hoping

for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her
of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her
cervix.
I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm 
or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, 
but

often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like
this.
Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay 
with

EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow
to
hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
tomorrow.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[brendamanning]

Or the hot sex & hot curry alternative.
Or the cod liver oil (30ml in 150 ml orange juice)
OR lots of nipple stimulation (pump 10min every hour or hand stimulation 
same time frame OR...)


OR, stand firm & say NO IOL !!!

Brenda
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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?



Sorry, Evening Primrose Oil - oops! :oS

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanning
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2005 12:51 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Kelly,
What is EPO ?
Brenda
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?



Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's
hoping for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont
induce her of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her
cervix.
I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm 
or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, 
but

often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like
this.
Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay 
with

EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow
to
hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
tomorrow.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle
Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby Australian Little
Tikes Specialists

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[jo]

Evening Primrose Oil

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, 19 September 2005 12:51 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

Kelly,
What is EPO ?
Brenda
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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


> Hello everyone,
>
> I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's hoping
> for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her 
> of
> course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her 
> cervix.
> I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
> recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
> often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like 
> this.
> Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
> but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
> EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
> quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
> (she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow 
> to
> hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
> she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
> tomorrow.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kelly Zantey
> Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
> Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
> Australian Little Tikes Specialists
>
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

Sorry, Evening Primrose Oil - oops! :oS

Best Regards,
 
Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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Sent: Monday, 19 September 2005 12:51 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


Kelly,
What is EPO ?
Brenda
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?


> Hello everyone,
>
> I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's 
> hoping for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont 
> induce her of
> course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her
> cervix.
> I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
> recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
> often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like 
> this.
> Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
> but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
> EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
> quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
> (she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow 
> to
> hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
> she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
> tomorrow.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kelly Zantey
> Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle 
> Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby Australian Little 
> Tikes Specialists
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?

[brendamanning]

Kelly,
What is EPO ?
Brenda
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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oral EPO dose for cervix?



Hello everyone,

I know it's probably a bit late to try this, but I have a mum who's hoping
for a VBAC, EDD today but in order to beat a caesar (they wont induce her 
of
course) we're thinking of giving EPO a go to help with ripening her 
cervix.

I have read somewhere that 500mg tid is often used - can anyone confirm or
recommend dosage they have used? She'll ask a herbalist none the less, but
often I find they aren't well versed on specifics for preg & baby like 
this.

Also her BP is creeping up a little, she had pre-eclampsia with the first
but obviously done well with this pregnancy - will this still be okay with
EPO or is there something else I could recommend? I think she's actually
quite frightened having had a previous caesar hence the blood pressure
(she's had a great BP otherwise) so I am going to meet with her tomorrow 
to

hopefully relax her about a vaginal birth. She's told me in fewer words
she's frightened but I think she's keeping it in - will have a big chat
tomorrow.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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