Re: Fwd: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths
Good on you Judy. Leigh From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths Date: 11/02/2002 13:47:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Listers Below is the note I sent and the answer from the ninemonths.com.au site after reading their babyfeeding page. Judy From: Lisa Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:06:04 +1100 Dear Judy Thanks for your feedback on breastmilk. We were aware when we presented information on this topic that it is a hot topic and have tried to present facts without being biased. Our main aim was to provide information for women who were, for some reason or another, unable to breastfeed. However, it appears some of the copy may not be as 'neutral' as we had intended and I have passed your information on to the contributors who are working on our site. They have made some alterations in areas which may be miscontrued. As you will notice, we do not take advertising or promotion, nor are we sponsored by any organisation. Our site is written and maintained by volunteers and we try our best to present multiple points of view. Thanks again for taking the time to provide your thoughts. Lisa Bowman Site Manager - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: Contact us From Ninemonths Name:Judy Chapman Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:breastfeeding Message: I am sorry but I won't be reccomending your site to anyone with your luke warm policies on breast feeding. Your reasons given to bottle feed are selfish and materialistic. It is this sort of attitude that is contributing to the breakdown of families and our social structure today. Men need to realise that their role is not to take over the job of women but to nurture her and protect her and make it safe for her to use her God given ability to feed her baby in the most healthy way available. As for control over the babies feeding quantities, just as you only eat what you want to eat and would resist efforts to have food forced down you throat, a baby who is breast fed gets the choice of only eating to need, not force. A more likely chance to be normal weighted in an increasingly obese society. Judy Judy Chapman Midwife 07 47490764 _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fwd: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths
Dear Listers Below is the note I sent and the answer from the ninemonths.com.au site after reading their babyfeeding page. Judy From: Lisa Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:06:04 +1100 Dear Judy Thanks for your feedback on breastmilk. We were aware when we presented information on this topic that it is a hot topic and have tried to present facts without being biased. Our main aim was to provide information for women who were, for some reason or another, unable to breastfeed. However, it appears some of the copy may not be as 'neutral' as we had intended and I have passed your information on to the contributors who are working on our site. They have made some alterations in areas which may be miscontrued. As you will notice, we do not take advertising or promotion, nor are we sponsored by any organisation. Our site is written and maintained by volunteers and we try our best to present multiple points of view. Thanks again for taking the time to provide your thoughts. Lisa Bowman Site Manager - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: Contact us From Ninemonths Name:Judy Chapman Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:breastfeeding Message: I am sorry but I won't be reccomending your site to anyone with your luke warm policies on breast feeding. Your reasons given to bottle feed are selfish and materialistic. It is this sort of attitude that is contributing to the breakdown of families and our social structure today. Men need to realise that their role is not to take over the job of women but to nurture her and protect her and make it safe for her to use her God given ability to feed her baby in the most healthy way available. As for control over the babies feeding quantities, just as you only eat what you want to eat and would resist efforts to have food forced down you throat, a baby who is breast fed gets the choice of only eating to need, not force. A more likely chance to be normal weighted in an increasingly obese society. Judy Judy Chapman Midwife 07 47490764 _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths
Judy and Listers, I also 'complained' to ninemonths regarding the article in question (thanks for the referral Pinky), and received a reply almost word for word the same as Judy's. I have just now replied back to Ms Bowman (they're going to really hate me) pointing out the misgivings I have on her reasoning: Our main aim was to provide information for women who were, for some reason or another, unable to breastfeed., since to me it appears this material is designed to be read by pregnant women, not those who have had or are having breastfeeding difficulties - and therein lies the most annoying aspect of this article - to me anyway. Jo - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths Dear Listers Below is the note I sent and the answer from the ninemonths.com.au site after reading their babyfeeding page. Judy From: Lisa Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Contact us From Ninemonths Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:06:04 +1100 Dear Judy Thanks for your feedback on breastmilk. We were aware when we presented information on this topic that it is a hot topic and have tried to present facts without being biased. Our main aim was to provide information for women who were, for some reason or another, unable to breastfeed. However, it appears some of the copy may not be as 'neutral' as we had intended and I have passed your information on to the contributors who are working on our site. They have made some alterations in areas which may be miscontrued. As you will notice, we do not take advertising or promotion, nor are we sponsored by any organisation. Our site is written and maintained by volunteers and we try our best to present multiple points of view. Thanks again for taking the time to provide your thoughts. Lisa Bowman Site Manager - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: Contact us From Ninemonths Name:Judy Chapman Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:breastfeeding Message: I am sorry but I won't be reccomending your site to anyone with your luke warm policies on breast feeding. Your reasons given to bottle feed are selfish and materialistic. It is this sort of attitude that is contributing to the breakdown of families and our social structure today. Men need to realise that their role is not to take over the job of women but to nurture her and protect her and make it safe for her to use her God given ability to feed her baby in the most healthy way available. As for control over the babies feeding quantities, just as you only eat what you want to eat and would resist efforts to have food forced down you throat, a baby who is breast fed gets the choice of only eating to need, not force. A more likely chance to be normal weighted in an increasingly obese society. Judy Judy Chapman Midwife 07 47490764 _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Contact us From Ninemonths
Heres what I wrote to them and my relies. I submitted this letter to them. Its not really good as my little one was at my feet, pulling my pants down, bashing the keyboard and eating the mouse mat. You have stated in about us that your online guide to pregnancy, birth and life is to provide information, support, and guidance. You claim to be providing the best information and saving the expectant parents time. However, I think it is clear that your company has done very little research, and is presenting issues in a biased, anti-baby manner, contrary to UN and WHO reccomendations. You present an argument between breast or bottle, when in fact, there is no argument. It is officially accepted that breastmilk is superior to artificial human's milk in every way. How can you state that formula 'today' has properties closely matched to that of human milk, when we don't know enough about human milk and the availability of nutrients in different combinations. Human milk changes day to day, hour to hour in nutritional value, quantity and taste. Yet, you state that formula is similar It doesn't even come close. You present an argument that states that a bottle feeding mother can be free to go to work, yet you don't mention that a breastfeeding mother can also do the same. You say that breastmilk can prevent a long list of diseases, but you don't comment that feeding infant formulas can cause these diseases. You say that breastmilk is inexpensive, when in fact, it is free. You also make an insinuation that breastfeeding can cause sibling rivalry (where did you get that one from), extreme discomfort to the mother, that the father cannot nurture and care for a breastfed infant as well as he could if the infant was bottlefed. I suggest you do some research about the issue, and present it in an unbiased view, rather than the way in which an infant formula company would present it. Dear Macha, Thanks for your feedback on breastmilk. We were aware when we presented information on this topic that it is a hot topic and have tried to present facts without being biased. Our main aim was to provide information for women who were, for some reason or another, unable to breastfeed. However, it appears some of the copy may not be as 'neutral' as we had intended and I have passed your information on to the contributors who are working on our site. They have made some alterations in areas which may be miscontrued. As you will notice, we do not take advertising or promotion, nor are we sponsored by any organisation. Our site is written and maintained by volunteers and we try our best to present multiple points of view. Thanks again for taking the time to provide your thoughts. Lisa Bowman Site Manager exactly the same as the other reply...still no changes to the site...but then Sorry if I came over a little harsh, I didnt expect a reply. I can see where you are coming from, but really there is no decision to be made. All mothers should be encouraged to breastfeed, not offered a choice of what can to some people appear as 2 equals. Rather than worrying about making mothers who have been unable to breastfeed (I am one of them) feel 'guilt', I suggest that there should be another section about women's feelings of grief when things go wrong. They should not be made to feel guilty, but acknowledge their grief for losing their b/feeding relationship and suggest ways to improve the realtionship with baby, like close feeding, co sleeping and bathing etc. They should also be told that it is not them who have failed, but rather the system that has failed them, possibly due to inappropriate advice and lack of eduaction. Maureen Minchin's book called breastfeeding matters is a great guide for this and suggested reading if anyone wants to. Macha. Dear Macha, Online at the moment so I thought I'd send a reply. Thanks for the suggestion about starting another section. We have had a lot of response and queries about breast feeding so it appears that there definitely needs to be more written on this topic and we will endeavour to do so. Feedback like yours (and no it wasn't too harsh) is really useful as we need to know what people are interested/concerned about. All the best and thanks again for taking the time to provide information. Lisa Bowman Site Manager -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
