Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Edu Braat]

We are also (part of) the system.
But yes, I agree.

Edu

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Op 19 jul 2013 om 20:31 heeft Anna Harris  het  
volgende geschreven:\


That helplessness that you feel Patrick, is not a personal problem.  
It is built into the system. You have been taught, ever since you  
were a child, that people knew better than you, your parents knew  
better, your teacher knew better, your boss knew better, your doctor  
knew better, the government knows better. That message suits this  
system, disempowers you. To find your own authentic voice is not  
easy. But that is what P2P is about. It is sharing, it is  
collaboration with people on the same level. It is a new way of  
relating with respect and dignity for each person, friend, stranger,  
acknowledging we are all part of one family. Maybe what we can  
accomplish on the global scale is very small, but the feeling we can  
get from doing what we can is transformative, and can turn that  
helpless feeling into positive creativity.


anna

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Patrick Anderson  
 wrote:

I think the tragedy of the commons is also
partly caused by a feeling of helplessness
combined with the (partially true) belief
that things are already so bad and the
amount we each add, individually, is so
small, that it hardly matters whether each
of us adds to the problem or not and so
we choose the short-term benefits over
the long-term benefits because it seems
(it feels as though) no matter what we do,
the end result will be the same.


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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Anna Harris]

Yes, Edu, even as we wake up to see how we were shaped by the system we
also realise how we are trapped in it, and recreate it ourselves. But that
knowledge also gives us power.

Personally for me there has to be a short term payback as well as thinking
of the benefit in the long term. If it was just down to imagining what it
would be like *if* billions of us did the same that would not motivate me.
What does it for me is connecting with the authentic voice within me, which
is to do with having the courage to trust myself no matter what.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Örsan  wrote:

> I think this is exactly the point that brings p2p and commons together:
> imagining billions of us would do a little or as much as we could to
> produce and/or protect the commons, the results would be giant like
> wikipedia or similar experiences. can be good to think of various levels
> and translevel implications in terms of solving porblems of governance and
> contuniation.
>
> On 19 jul. 2013, at 19:24, Patrick Anderson  wrote:
>
> > I think the tragedy of the commons is also
> > partly caused by a feeling of helplessness
> > combined with the (partially true) belief
> > that things are already so bad and the
> > amount we each add, individually, is so
> > small, that it hardly matters whether each
> > of us adds to the problem or not and so
> > we choose the short-term benefits over
> > the long-term benefits because it seems
> > (it feels as though) no matter what we do,
> > the end result will be the same.
> >
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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[June Gorman]

Anna, 

I truly second what you are so lovingly trying to say here!  It is a 
"disempowering" state developed in children while young and thus still very 
sensitive to emotional learning.  Unfortunately, when that learning is thus 
done badly by society's previous damage & reinforced in school, motivation and 
hope are both deeply damaged.  On both the individual and thus wider social 
level, instead of feeling "we can", we much more quickly accept the reinforced 
emotional learning that, "we can not!"

But in going towards the hope & the possibility instead, I always ask at this 
point which is more fun and enjoyable to believe and do?  And which direction 
are the people more interesting, creative and empowered? 

Especially the youth and children?

For me it therefore becomes no contest for where I want to put my energy and 
time.

Thanks for your spark, Anna!
June Gorman, Educator and Educational Theorist
Co-founder, Transformative Education Forum
Education Advisor, UN SafePlanet Campaign 
Board Project Director for Outreach, International Model United Nations 
Association 
Steering Committee, (UNESCO/Global Compact) K-12 Sector for Sustainability 
Education 
Member, UN Education Caucus for Sustainable Development
Member, UN Commons Cluster

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Anna Harris  wrote:

> Yes, Edu, even as we wake up to see how we were shaped by the system we also 
> realise how we are trapped in it, and recreate it ourselves. But that 
> knowledge also gives us power.
> 
> Personally for me there has to be a short term payback as well as thinking of 
> the benefit in the long term. If it was just down to imagining what it would 
> be like if billions of us did the same that would not motivate me. What does 
> it for me is connecting with the authentic voice within me, which is to do 
> with having the courage to trust myself no matter what.
> 
> 
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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[James Gien Varney-Wong]

Hi Orsan,

I think you hit the nail on the head

The answer lies in the heart of the question
and the solution lies in the heart of the problem

The solution to our perfect storm of crisis threatening to collapse human
civlization
is to rouse awake the sleeping giant of the masses

Is the cup half empty
or half full?

Most people, as Patrick and Anna have identified
feel the cup is half full
feel disempowered because, after all, I am only one person

Yes, I add to the problem of ecocide every day by my mere existence
because the system I exist within
is full of producers who pollute to make the goods and services I consume
in order to live
and in using those goods and services
 I too micro-pollute in order to live each day

Narratives are powerful
and this cup half-empty one
becomes its own self-fulfilling prophecy

For in seeing the world this way
I labdicate responsibility, limit my actions
and resign to continuing on this personal course which contributes to
mutual self destruction

It's only when our awareness stirs
due to our own transcendence of this narrative
or through an outside agent assisting us
that we see through the entire game

For when we awaken to the fact
that billions of people telling themselves the same story
is what, in fact creates the story
for our entire global community

Because billions of people play this cup half-empty narrative
over and over in their head and manifest in their actions (or lack thereof)
we mutually co-create the world we so despise
and so desperately want to change

So the key to awakening
is to recognize that we are sleeping


I have just integrated the ideas about the commons
in the introduction on one of my webpages on the Arctic Tipping Point:

http://ingienous.com/?page_id=8559




On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Örsan  wrote:

> I think this is exactly the point that brings p2p and commons together:
> imagining billions of us would do a little or as much as we could to
> produce and/or protect the commons, the results would be giant like
> wikipedia or similar experiences. can be good to think of various levels
> and translevel implications in terms of solving porblems of governance and
> contuniation.
>
> On 19 jul. 2013, at 19:24, Patrick Anderson  wrote:
>
> > I think the tragedy of the commons is also
> > partly caused by a feeling of helplessness
> > combined with the (partially true) belief
> > that things are already so bad and the
> > amount we each add, individually, is so
> > small, that it hardly matters whether each
> > of us adds to the problem or not and so
> > we choose the short-term benefits over
> > the long-term benefits because it seems
> > (it feels as though) no matter what we do,
> > the end result will be the same.
> >
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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Anna Harris]

That helplessness that you feel Patrick, is not a personal problem. It is
built into the system. You have been taught, ever since you were a child,
that people knew better than you, your parents knew better, your teacher
knew better, your boss knew better, your doctor knew better, the government
knows better. That message suits this system, disempowers you. To find your
own authentic voice is not easy. But that is what P2P is about. It is
sharing, it is collaboration with people on the same level. It is a new way
of relating with respect and dignity for each person, friend, stranger,
acknowledging we are all part of one family. Maybe what we can accomplish
on the global scale is very small, but the feeling we can get from doing
what we can is transformative, and can turn that helpless feeling into
positive creativity.

anna

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Patrick Anderson wrote:

> I think the tragedy of the commons is also
> partly caused by a feeling of helplessness
> combined with the (partially true) belief
> that things are already so bad and the
> amount we each add, individually, is so
> small, that it hardly matters whether each
> of us adds to the problem or not and so
> we choose the short-term benefits over
> the long-term benefits because it seems
> (it feels as though) no matter what we do,
> the end result will be the same.
>
>
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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Anna Harris]

Hi Edu,

I gave the example of air to show that considering scale in looking after a
given element really does not make sense. We have to find a way to protect
what is essential for the benefit of all. If that involves some private
property there would be no harm as long as the element was cared for in the
interests of humanity as a whole, - what you refer to as 'lmanaging their
property quite well'. I presume you don't mean just in their own interests
to the exclusion of the interests of humanity as a whole. I believe that is
the level which we have to consider. As long as that is priority I would
agree with you that public or private is less relevant.
Your point about survival being the primary motive force of evolution is
also debatable. See eg Jeremy Rifkin 'The Empathic Civilisation, and Lynne
McTaggart 'The Bond'. It is less a question of imposing a new moral regime,
as allowing what is inherent to emerge.

Anna



On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:26 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Anna,
>
> There is a saying that we won't have peace untill the last king is
> strangled with the innards of the last priest. If you update this to
> the last capitalist strangled with the innards of the last bureaucrat,
> we still will not be safe, I'm afraid.
>
> Although I agree that lots of problems come from private ownership,
> there have always been many private owners who managed their
> properties quite well, just as there have been many stewards who
> didn't take care too well of what was trusted to them.
> I think the point Hardin made was that it's foremost a matter of scale.
> And there is a lot of evidence (from Jared Diamond and others) that so
> called indigenous tribes didn't care about their surroundings (and
> neighbours) at all.
>
> I do believe we are making some progress but it's a long haul as
> humans did not evolve as moral animals but as very adaptable survivors
> and opportunists. Perhaps we have to wait for the Singularity ;+)
>
> Best Regards,
> Edu
>
>
>
> Quoting Anna Harris :
>
> > The 'commons' is now seen as more than a piece of land which was used as
> > shared grazing. The air we breathe is, or should be regarded as a
> > 'commons', which needs to be protected for this and future generations,
> as
> > is a long list such as water, seeds, oceans, the internet, etc. Many
> > elements which have become commodified, ie in private hands, and used for
> > profit, should be available freely. Land too should come into this
> > category. For many indigenous peoples the idea of land belonging to
> someone
> > is ludicrous.
> >
> > However that does not mean that they can be used to the point of
> extinction
> > as is happening now with private ownership. They do often require
> > management, as in air pollution, so the recognition of status as a
> commons
> > implies stewardship, international agreements to protect for this and
> > future generations. Such agreements may be difficult, but they are
> > essential for a sustainable society.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I happen to have read the original article The Tragedy of the Commons
> >> by Garrett Hardin (Science, 13 december 1968) the other night (you'll
> >> find it on the net) and it argues that the commons is only a good idea
> >> as long as the community is small and everybody knows each other, so
> >> ca. 150 people (the Dunbar number). Once it gets bigger, problems
> >> arise which just can't be solved.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Edu Braat,
> >> founder of Workpatch, member of Share.nl, the Dutch P2P foundation
> >>
> >> Quoting Michel Bauwens :
> >>
> >> > -- Forwarded message --
> >> > From: Jon Wheatley 
> >> > Date: Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM
> >> > Subject: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus
> >> > Commodities
> >> > To: Jon Wheatley 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > *
> >> >
> >> > **
> >> >
> >> >   P R E S S  R E L E A S E
> >> >
> >> > **
> >> >
> >> > -- Traces the erosion of the commons from the Industrial Revolution to
> >> > today?s neo-liberalism, arguing that a new commons is needed today.
>  --
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > *
> >> >
> >> > *
> >> > *
> >> >
> >> > *Nature for Sale:
> >> > The Commons versus
> >> > Commodities*
> >> >
> >> > * *
> >> >
> >> > *Giovanna Ricoveri*
> >> >
> >> > *Foreword by** Vandana Shiva*
> >> >
> >> > **
> >> >
> >> > *Out Now*
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > PB / £14.99 / 9780745333700 / 215mm x 135mm  /  June 13
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > *This book fills a gap, as it allows to understand the foundations for
> >> > waging a survival struggle against an encroaching climate. It will
> help
> >> > readers to penetrate the systematic nature of the war against Nature
> and
> >> it
> >> > can be a very useful tool in strengthening the movements to stop the
> >> > assault.*
> >> >
> >> > *Saul Landau, Vice Chair of the Institute for Policy Studies,
> Berkeley*
> >> >
> >> > **
> >> >
> >> > *An historical-philosophical inquiry into an alt

Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Örsan]

I think this is exactly the point that brings p2p and commons together: 
imagining billions of us would do a little or as much as we could to produce 
and/or protect the commons, the results would be giant like wikipedia or 
similar experiences. can be good to think of various levels and translevel 
implications in terms of solving porblems of governance and contuniation. 

On 19 jul. 2013, at 19:24, Patrick Anderson  wrote:

> I think the tragedy of the commons is also
> partly caused by a feeling of helplessness
> combined with the (partially true) belief
> that things are already so bad and the
> amount we each add, individually, is so
> small, that it hardly matters whether each
> of us adds to the problem or not and so
> we choose the short-term benefits over
> the long-term benefits because it seems
> (it feels as though) no matter what we do,
> the end result will be the same.
> 
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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Patrick Anderson]

> And caring about something like air pollution is
> simply not in the reach of most people, I think.
>

This reminds me of how people make choices in
their own lives that they eventually regret because
they cannot or do not see the consequences.

For example, none of us eat candy all day long
because we have learned it is bad for our health.

If we can get people to see the long-term results
of their actions they may begin to do the right
thing for *selfish* reasons.

But I think the time-delay between our actions
and the reactions of nature reduces our care
makes us believe what we do doesn't matter.
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[Edu Braat]

I agree.

Edu

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Op 19 jul 2013 om 19:24 heeft Patrick Anderson   
het volgende geschreven:\

> I think the tragedy of the commons is also
> partly caused by a feeling of helplessness
> combined with the (partially true) belief
> that things are already so bad and the
> amount we each add, individually, is so
> small, that it hardly matters whether each
> of us adds to the problem or not and so
> we choose the short-term benefits over
> the long-term benefits because it seems
> (it feels as though) no matter what we do,
> the end result will be the same.
>
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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Patrick Anderson]

I think the tragedy of the commons is also
partly caused by a feeling of helplessness
combined with the (partially true) belief
that things are already so bad and the
amount we each add, individually, is so
small, that it hardly matters whether each
of us adds to the problem or not and so
we choose the short-term benefits over
the long-term benefits because it seems
(it feels as though) no matter what we do,
the end result will be the same.
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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[edubraat]

Hi again,
I am a rational optimist (Matt Ridley) but I believe also that in  
general people will behave well only out of personal interest or when  
there is some form of social controll that will make it likely that  
one will be found out when behaving badly.
Even the strongest forms of innate empathy (for babies and helpless  
children) are often put aside in war situations and other conditions  
where it's everyone for himself.
And caring about something like air pollution is simply not in the  
reach of most people, I think.

Most of our efforts to make the world a better place, will probably be futile.
But that shouldn't stop us of course.

Best regards,
Edu

Quoting Anna Harris :

> Hi Edu,
>
> I gave the example of air to show that considering scale in looking after a
> given element really does not make sense. We have to find a way to protect
> what is essential for the benefit of all. If that involves some private
> property there would be no harm as long as the element was cared for in the
> interests of humanity as a whole, - what you refer to as 'lmanaging their
> property quite well'. I presume you don't mean just in their own interests
> to the exclusion of the interests of humanity as a whole. I believe that is
> the level which we have to consider. As long as that is priority I would
> agree with you that public or private is less relevant.
> Your point about survival being the primary motive force of evolution is
> also debatable. See eg Jeremy Rifkin 'The Empathic Civilisation, and Lynne
> McTaggart 'The Bond'. It is less a question of imposing a new moral regime,
> as allowing what is inherent to emerge.
>
> Anna
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:26 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi Anna,
>>
>> There is a saying that we won't have peace untill the last king is
>> strangled with the innards of the last priest. If you update this to
>> the last capitalist strangled with the innards of the last bureaucrat,
>> we still will not be safe, I'm afraid.
>>
>> Although I agree that lots of problems come from private ownership,
>> there have always been many private owners who managed their
>> properties quite well, just as there have been many stewards who
>> didn't take care too well of what was trusted to them.
>> I think the point Hardin made was that it's foremost a matter of scale.
>> And there is a lot of evidence (from Jared Diamond and others) that so
>> called indigenous tribes didn't care about their surroundings (and
>> neighbours) at all.
>>
>> I do believe we are making some progress but it's a long haul as
>> humans did not evolve as moral animals but as very adaptable survivors
>> and opportunists. Perhaps we have to wait for the Singularity ;+)
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Edu
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Anna Harris :
>>
>> > The 'commons' is now seen as more than a piece of land which was used as
>> > shared grazing. The air we breathe is, or should be regarded as a
>> > 'commons', which needs to be protected for this and future generations,
>> as
>> > is a long list such as water, seeds, oceans, the internet, etc. Many
>> > elements which have become commodified, ie in private hands, and used for
>> > profit, should be available freely. Land too should come into this
>> > category. For many indigenous peoples the idea of land belonging to
>> someone
>> > is ludicrous.
>> >
>> > However that does not mean that they can be used to the point of
>> extinction
>> > as is happening now with private ownership. They do often require
>> > management, as in air pollution, so the recognition of status as a
>> commons
>> > implies stewardship, international agreements to protect for this and
>> > future generations. Such agreements may be difficult, but they are
>> > essential for a sustainable society.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM,  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I happen to have read the original article The Tragedy of the Commons
>> >> by Garrett Hardin (Science, 13 december 1968) the other night (you'll
>> >> find it on the net) and it argues that the commons is only a good idea
>> >> as long as the community is small and everybody knows each other, so
>> >> ca. 150 people (the Dunbar number). Once it gets bigger, problems
>> >> arise which just can't be solved.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Edu Braat,
>> >> founder of Workpatch, member of Share.nl, the Dutch P2P foundation
>> >>
>> >> Quoting Michel Bauwens :
>> >>
>> >> > -- Forwarded message --
>> >> > From: Jon Wheatley 
>> >> > Date: Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM
>> >> > Subject: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus
>> >> > Commodities
>> >> > To: Jon Wheatley 
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > *
>> >> >
>> >> > **
>> >> >
>> >> >   P R E S S  R E L E A S E
>> >> >
>> >> > **
>> >> >
>> >> > -- Traces the erosion of the commons from the Industrial Revolution to
>> >> > today?s neo-liberalism, arguing that a new commons is needed today.
>>  --
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > *
>> >> >
>> >> > 

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[edubraat]

Hi Anna,

There is a saying that we won't have peace untill the last king is  
strangled with the innards of the last priest. If you update this to  
the last capitalist strangled with the innards of the last bureaucrat,  
we still will not be safe, I'm afraid.

Although I agree that lots of problems come from private ownership,  
there have always been many private owners who managed their  
properties quite well, just as there have been many stewards who  
didn't take care too well of what was trusted to them.
I think the point Hardin made was that it's foremost a matter of scale.
And there is a lot of evidence (from Jared Diamond and others) that so  
called indigenous tribes didn't care about their surroundings (and  
neighbours) at all.

I do believe we are making some progress but it's a long haul as  
humans did not evolve as moral animals but as very adaptable survivors  
and opportunists. Perhaps we have to wait for the Singularity ;+)

Best Regards,
Edu



Quoting Anna Harris :

> The 'commons' is now seen as more than a piece of land which was used as
> shared grazing. The air we breathe is, or should be regarded as a
> 'commons', which needs to be protected for this and future generations, as
> is a long list such as water, seeds, oceans, the internet, etc. Many
> elements which have become commodified, ie in private hands, and used for
> profit, should be available freely. Land too should come into this
> category. For many indigenous peoples the idea of land belonging to someone
> is ludicrous.
>
> However that does not mean that they can be used to the point of extinction
> as is happening now with private ownership. They do often require
> management, as in air pollution, so the recognition of status as a commons
> implies stewardship, international agreements to protect for this and
> future generations. Such agreements may be difficult, but they are
> essential for a sustainable society.
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I happen to have read the original article The Tragedy of the Commons
>> by Garrett Hardin (Science, 13 december 1968) the other night (you'll
>> find it on the net) and it argues that the commons is only a good idea
>> as long as the community is small and everybody knows each other, so
>> ca. 150 people (the Dunbar number). Once it gets bigger, problems
>> arise which just can't be solved.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Edu Braat,
>> founder of Workpatch, member of Share.nl, the Dutch P2P foundation
>>
>> Quoting Michel Bauwens :
>>
>> > -- Forwarded message --
>> > From: Jon Wheatley 
>> > Date: Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM
>> > Subject: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus
>> > Commodities
>> > To: Jon Wheatley 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> >   P R E S S  R E L E A S E
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > -- Traces the erosion of the commons from the Industrial Revolution to
>> > today?s neo-liberalism, arguing that a new commons is needed today.  --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> > *
>> > *
>> >
>> > *Nature for Sale:
>> > The Commons versus
>> > Commodities*
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > *Giovanna Ricoveri*
>> >
>> > *Foreword by** Vandana Shiva*
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > *Out Now*
>> >
>> >
>> > PB / £14.99 / 9780745333700 / 215mm x 135mm  /  June 13
>> >
>> >
>> > *This book fills a gap, as it allows to understand the foundations for
>> > waging a survival struggle against an encroaching climate. It will help
>> > readers to penetrate the systematic nature of the war against Nature and
>> it
>> > can be a very useful tool in strengthening the movements to stop the
>> > assault.*
>> >
>> > *Saul Landau, Vice Chair of the Institute for Policy Studies, Berkeley*
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > *An historical-philosophical inquiry into an alternative route to the
>> > current devastating economic and social order. Written by one of the
>> > leading intellectuals of the Italian left, among the first in Europe to
>> > deal with political ecology issues.*
>> >
>> > *Grazia Francescato, leading environmentalist and previous leader of the
>> > Italian Green Party*
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > Nature for Sale uncovers the rich heritage of common ownership which
>> > existed before the dominance of capitalist property relations. Giovanna
>> > Ricoveri argues that the subsistence commons of the past can be
>> reinvented
>> > today to provide an alternative to the current destructive economic
>> order.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ricoveri outlines the distinct features of common ownership as it has
>> > existed in history: cooperation, sustainable use of natural resources and
>> > decision-making through direct democracy. In doing so, she shows how it
>> is
>> > possible to provide goods and services which are not commodities
>> exchanged
>> > on the capitalistic market, something still demonstrated today in village
>> > communities across the global South.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tracing the erosion of the commons from the European enclosures at the
>> 

Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[edubraat]

Hi,
I happen to have read the original article The Tragedy of the Commons  
by Garrett Hardin (Science, 13 december 1968) the other night (you'll  
find it on the net) and it argues that the commons is only a good idea  
as long as the community is small and everybody knows each other, so  
ca. 150 people (the Dunbar number). Once it gets bigger, problems  
arise which just can't be solved.

Best regards,
Edu Braat,
founder of Workpatch, member of Share.nl, the Dutch P2P foundation

Quoting Michel Bauwens :

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jon Wheatley 
> Date: Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM
> Subject: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus
> Commodities
> To: Jon Wheatley 
>
>
>
> *
>
> **
>
>   P R E S S  R E L E A S E
>
> **
>
> -- Traces the erosion of the commons from the Industrial Revolution to
> today?s neo-liberalism, arguing that a new commons is needed today.  --
>
>
>
>
> *
>
> *
> *
>
> *Nature for Sale:
> The Commons versus
> Commodities*
>
> * *
>
> *Giovanna Ricoveri*
>
> *Foreword by** Vandana Shiva*
>
> **
>
> *Out Now*
>
>
> PB / £14.99 / 9780745333700 / 215mm x 135mm  /  June 13
>
>
> *This book fills a gap, as it allows to understand the foundations for
> waging a survival struggle against an encroaching climate. It will help
> readers to penetrate the systematic nature of the war against Nature and it
> can be a very useful tool in strengthening the movements to stop the
> assault.*
>
> *Saul Landau, Vice Chair of the Institute for Policy Studies, Berkeley*
>
> **
>
> *An historical-philosophical inquiry into an alternative route to the
> current devastating economic and social order. Written by one of the
> leading intellectuals of the Italian left, among the first in Europe to
> deal with political ecology issues.*
>
> *Grazia Francescato, leading environmentalist and previous leader of the
> Italian Green Party*
>
> **
>
> Nature for Sale uncovers the rich heritage of common ownership which
> existed before the dominance of capitalist property relations. Giovanna
> Ricoveri argues that the subsistence commons of the past can be reinvented
> today to provide an alternative to the current destructive economic order.
>
>
> Ricoveri outlines the distinct features of common ownership as it has
> existed in history: cooperation, sustainable use of natural resources and
> decision-making through direct democracy. In doing so, she shows how it is
> possible to provide goods and services which are not commodities exchanged
> on the capitalistic market, something still demonstrated today in village
> communities across the global South.
>
>
> Tracing the erosion of the commons from the European enclosures at the dawn
> of the Industrial Revolution to the new enclosures of modern capitalism,
> the book concludes by arguing that a new commons is needed today. It will
> be essential reading for activists as well as students and academics in
> history, politics, economics and development studies.
>
>
> *Giovanna Ricoveri is a writer and activist. She is the author of a book on
> the commons in Italian, Beni comuni vs Merci (2010) and editor of Beni
> comuni tra tradizione e futuro (2005). She is the founding editor of
> Capitalismo Natura Socialismo, which is part of the international network
> Capitalism Nature Socialism.*
>
> *
> *
>
> **
>
> *For further information, to request a review copy or to speak to the
> author please contact Jon Wheatley at j...@plutobooks.com or on 0208 374
> 6424*
> *
> *
>
> *
> *
>
>
>
>
> --
> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>
> Updates:
> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Anna Harris]

The 'commons' is now seen as more than a piece of land which was used as
shared grazing. The air we breathe is, or should be regarded as a
'commons', which needs to be protected for this and future generations, as
is a long list such as water, seeds, oceans, the internet, etc. Many
elements which have become commodified, ie in private hands, and used for
profit, should be available freely. Land too should come into this
category. For many indigenous peoples the idea of land belonging to someone
is ludicrous.

However that does not mean that they can be used to the point of extinction
as is happening now with private ownership. They do often require
management, as in air pollution, so the recognition of status as a commons
implies stewardship, international agreements to protect for this and
future generations. Such agreements may be difficult, but they are
essential for a sustainable society.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM,  wrote:

> Hi,
> I happen to have read the original article The Tragedy of the Commons
> by Garrett Hardin (Science, 13 december 1968) the other night (you'll
> find it on the net) and it argues that the commons is only a good idea
> as long as the community is small and everybody knows each other, so
> ca. 150 people (the Dunbar number). Once it gets bigger, problems
> arise which just can't be solved.
>
> Best regards,
> Edu Braat,
> founder of Workpatch, member of Share.nl, the Dutch P2P foundation
>
> Quoting Michel Bauwens :
>
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Jon Wheatley 
> > Date: Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM
> > Subject: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus
> > Commodities
> > To: Jon Wheatley 
> >
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> > **
> >
> >   P R E S S  R E L E A S E
> >
> > **
> >
> > -- Traces the erosion of the commons from the Industrial Revolution to
> > today?s neo-liberalism, arguing that a new commons is needed today.  --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *Nature for Sale:
> > The Commons versus
> > Commodities*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Giovanna Ricoveri*
> >
> > *Foreword by** Vandana Shiva*
> >
> > **
> >
> > *Out Now*
> >
> >
> > PB / £14.99 / 9780745333700 / 215mm x 135mm  /  June 13
> >
> >
> > *This book fills a gap, as it allows to understand the foundations for
> > waging a survival struggle against an encroaching climate. It will help
> > readers to penetrate the systematic nature of the war against Nature and
> it
> > can be a very useful tool in strengthening the movements to stop the
> > assault.*
> >
> > *Saul Landau, Vice Chair of the Institute for Policy Studies, Berkeley*
> >
> > **
> >
> > *An historical-philosophical inquiry into an alternative route to the
> > current devastating economic and social order. Written by one of the
> > leading intellectuals of the Italian left, among the first in Europe to
> > deal with political ecology issues.*
> >
> > *Grazia Francescato, leading environmentalist and previous leader of the
> > Italian Green Party*
> >
> > **
> >
> > Nature for Sale uncovers the rich heritage of common ownership which
> > existed before the dominance of capitalist property relations. Giovanna
> > Ricoveri argues that the subsistence commons of the past can be
> reinvented
> > today to provide an alternative to the current destructive economic
> order.
> >
> >
> > Ricoveri outlines the distinct features of common ownership as it has
> > existed in history: cooperation, sustainable use of natural resources and
> > decision-making through direct democracy. In doing so, she shows how it
> is
> > possible to provide goods and services which are not commodities
> exchanged
> > on the capitalistic market, something still demonstrated today in village
> > communities across the global South.
> >
> >
> > Tracing the erosion of the commons from the European enclosures at the
> dawn
> > of the Industrial Revolution to the new enclosures of modern capitalism,
> > the book concludes by arguing that a new commons is needed today. It will
> > be essential reading for activists as well as students and academics in
> > history, politics, economics and development studies.
> >
> >
> > *Giovanna Ricoveri is a writer and activist. She is the author of a book
> on
> > the commons in Italian, Beni comuni vs Merci (2010) and editor of Beni
> > comuni tra tradizione e futuro (2005). She is the founding editor of
> > Capitalismo Natura Socialismo, which is part of the international network
> > Capitalism Nature Socialism.*
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > **
> >
> > *For further information, to request a review copy or to speak to the
> > author please contact Jon Wheatley at j...@plutobooks.com or on 0208 374
> > 6424*
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> >
> >  >Updates:
> > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> >
> > #82 on t

[P2P-F] Fwd: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus Commodities

[Michel Bauwens]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jon Wheatley 
Date: Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Subject: New From Pluto Press - Nature for Sale: The Commons versus
Commodities
To: Jon Wheatley 



*

**

  P R E S S  R E L E A S E

**

-- Traces the erosion of the commons from the Industrial Revolution to
today’s neo-liberalism, arguing that a new commons is needed today.  --




*

*
*

*Nature for Sale:
The Commons versus
Commodities*

* *

*Giovanna Ricoveri*

*Foreword by** Vandana Shiva*

**

*Out Now*


PB / £14.99 / 9780745333700 / 215mm x 135mm  /  June 13


*This book fills a gap, as it allows to understand the foundations for
waging a survival struggle against an encroaching climate. It will help
readers to penetrate the systematic nature of the war against Nature and it
can be a very useful tool in strengthening the movements to stop the
assault.*

*Saul Landau, Vice Chair of the Institute for Policy Studies, Berkeley*

**

*An historical-philosophical inquiry into an alternative route to the
current devastating economic and social order. Written by one of the
leading intellectuals of the Italian left, among the first in Europe to
deal with political ecology issues.*

*Grazia Francescato, leading environmentalist and previous leader of the
Italian Green Party*

**

Nature for Sale uncovers the rich heritage of common ownership which
existed before the dominance of capitalist property relations. Giovanna
Ricoveri argues that the subsistence commons of the past can be reinvented
today to provide an alternative to the current destructive economic order.


Ricoveri outlines the distinct features of common ownership as it has
existed in history: cooperation, sustainable use of natural resources and
decision-making through direct democracy. In doing so, she shows how it is
possible to provide goods and services which are not commodities exchanged
on the capitalistic market, something still demonstrated today in village
communities across the global South.


Tracing the erosion of the commons from the European enclosures at the dawn
of the Industrial Revolution to the new enclosures of modern capitalism,
the book concludes by arguing that a new commons is needed today. It will
be essential reading for activists as well as students and academics in
history, politics, economics and development studies.


*Giovanna Ricoveri is a writer and activist. She is the author of a book on
the commons in Italian, Beni comuni vs Merci (2010) and editor of Beni
comuni tra tradizione e futuro (2005). She is the founding editor of
Capitalismo Natura Socialismo, which is part of the international network
Capitalism Nature Socialism.*

*
*

**

*For further information, to request a review copy or to speak to the
author please contact Jon Wheatley at j...@plutobooks.com or on 0208 374
6424*
*
*

*
*




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[P2P-F] Fwd: [fcf_discussion] Why the EU Commission's True Intent is to Kill Net Neutrality

[Michel Bauwens]

-- Forwarded message --
From: La Quadrature du Net 
Date: Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:41 PM
Subject: [fcf_discussion] Why the EU Commission's True Intent is to Kill
Net Neutrality
To: fcforum_discuss...@list.fcforum.net


Themes: NET NEUTRALITY, NEELIE KROES, EUROPEAN COMMISSION, ANALYSE

La Quadrature du Net – For immediate release

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Why the EU Commission's True Intent is to Kill Net Neutrality



*** Paris, 19 July 2013 — Since last week, after citizen groups started
criticizing the EU Commission over its leaked draft regulation threatening
to kill Net neutrality, Commissioner Neelie Kroes and her staff have tried
to defend their proposal on Twitter, arguing that these criticisms were
“misleading European citizens”. Here is a summary of what was said, not
said, and how it reveals that these criticisms are absolutely right:
https://www.laquadrature.net/en/why-the-eu-commissions-true-intent-is-to-kill-net-neutrality***






** About la Quadrature du Net **


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freedoms of citizens on the Internet. More specifically, it advocates for
the adaptation of French and European legislations to respect the founding
principles of the Internet, most notably the free circulation of knowledge.

In addition to its advocacy work, the group also aims to foster a better
understanding of legislative processes among citizens. Through specific and
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citizens' participation in the public debate on rights and freedoms in the
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