Re: [P2P-F] Spanda journals essays of the day

[Michel Bauwens]

Dear Gregory:


by the way, I did a first processing of your article here,
https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Consciousness_and_the_Post-Capitalist_Commons

and here are some remarks which I share with our mailing list

I wrote on fb:

"Dear Gregory Wilpert :
I have 2 issues with your vision in the paper; the first is that you call
cooperatives 'capitalist commons'; now that may be correct as saying that
coops are the form that commons can take within capitalism, but they were
clearly posed as an alternative to it, often antagonistic, even though some
were transformed into collectively-competing entities within the capitalist
market; still I find this term too much of a short hand
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Michel Bauwens  also even
today, many 'post-capitalist' commons are actually subsumed within
capitalism, and not necessarily opposed to that; developer commons for
example, are mostly clearly liberal in their basic orientation; others,
whom I don't agree with, want to exclude those from the commons defintion,
and only recognize anti-capitalist commons as true commons;
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Michel Bauwens  finally, you
seem to almost exclusively equate post-capitalist commons with cultural
commons, while the transformation towards physical production has been
underway for at least 15 years and there are commons-based physical
production communities (such as Atelier Paysan)
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Re: [P2P-F] Spanda journals essays of the day

[Michel Bauwens]

ok, thanks, we will check the licensing!

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Zachary Stein  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Confused by this thread, but do what you will with my and Marc
> paper--within reason and the letter of Spanda's contracts (I think it is
> creative commons)…
>
> Let me know what you need from me.
>
> zak
>
>
> *Dr. Zachary Stein*
> *www.zakstein.org *
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Michel Bauwens 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Gregory:
>
>
> by the way, I did a first processing of your article here, https://wiki.
> p2pfoundation.net/Consciousness_and_the_Post-Capitalist_Commons
>
> and here are some remarks which I share with our mailing list
>
> I wrote on fb:
>
> "Dear Gregory Wilpert
> : I have 2 issues
> with your vision in the paper; the first is that you call cooperatives
> 'capitalist commons'; now that may be correct as saying that coops are the
> form that commons can take within capitalism, but they were clearly posed
> as an alternative to it, often antagonistic, even though some were
> transformed into collectively-competing entities within the capitalist
> market; still I find this term too much of a short hand
> Like 
>  · Reply  · 2 mins
> 
> Edit 
> [image: Michel Bauwens] 
> Michel Bauwens  also even
> today, many 'post-capitalist' commons are actually subsumed within
> capitalism, and not necessarily opposed to that; developer commons for
> example, are mostly clearly liberal in their basic orientation; others,
> whom I don't agree with, want to exclude those from the commons defintion,
> and only recognize anti-capitalist commons as true commons;
> Like 
>  · Reply  · 1 min
> 
> Edit 
> [image: Michel Bauwens] 
> Michel Bauwens  finally, you
> seem to almost exclusively equate post-capitalist commons with cultural
> commons, while the transformation towards physical production has been
> underway for at least 15 years and there are commons-based physical
> production communities (such as Atelier Paysan)
>
>
>


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