Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 11/25/2014 02:14 AM, Digimer wrote: On 24/11/14 10:12 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Oh, bring him! crazy++ What, you want to bring the guy who's boldly maintaining the outpost on the southern frontier? ;) *cough* Barring a miracle or a sudden huge advance in matter transporter technology I'm rather unlikely to make it, I'm afraid. But I'll add my voice to what Lars said in another email - go all physical (with good minutes/notes/etherpads for others to review - which I assume is what's going to happen this time), or all virtual. Mixing the two is exceedingly difficult to do well, IMO. Regards, Tim -- Tim Serong Senior Clustering Engineer SUSE tser...@suse.com ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Folks, Fabio, thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere. However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015 hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't public.) I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive? Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue. It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany already. I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer Summit does? Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise make it hard to justify travel expenses time off). Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such as Vienna xor Prague? I'd love to get some more feedback from the community. As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader participation. Regards, Lars -- Architect Storage/HA SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. -- Oscar Wilde ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
Am Montag, 24. November 2014, 15:39:57 schrieb Lars Marowsky-Bree: On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Folks, Fabio, thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere. However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015 hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't public.) I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive? Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue. It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany already. I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer Summit does? Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise make it hard to justify travel expenses time off). Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such as Vienna xor Prague? I'd love to get some more feedback from the community. As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader participation. Hi, I will do some advertisement in Germany. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Michael Schwartzkopff -- [*] sys4 AG http://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64, +49 (162) 165 0044 Franziskanerstraße 15, 81669 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 11/24/2014 3:39 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Folks, Fabio, thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere. However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015 hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't public.) I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive? Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue. It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany already. I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer Summit does? Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise make it hard to justify travel expenses time off). Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such as Vienna xor Prague? I'd love to get some more feedback from the community. I agree. some feedback would be useful. As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader participation. dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow people to travel for more than just HA Summit. I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. Fabio ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 24/11/14 09:54 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote: On 11/24/2014 3:39 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Folks, Fabio, thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere. However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015 hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't public.) I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive? I suspect a lot of it is that, given people's busy schedules, February seems far away. Also, I wonder how much discussion has happened outside of these lists. Is it really that there hasn't been much feedback? Fabio started this ball rolling, so I would be interested to hear what he's heard. Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue. It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany already. I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer Summit does? Requested feedback given; Virtual meetings are never as good, and I really don't like this idea. In my experience, just as much productive decision making happens in the unofficial after-hours activities as during formal(ish) meetings/presentations. I think it is very important that the meeting remain in-person if at all possible. Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise make it hard to justify travel expenses time off). Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such as Vienna xor Prague? Personally, I don't care where we meet, but I do believe Fabio already ruled out a relocation. I'd love to get some more feedback from the community. I agree. some feedback would be useful. digimer puts on her flame-retardant pantaloons and waits for the worst... -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow people to travel for more than just HA Summit. Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Regards, Lars -- Architect Storage/HA SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. -- Oscar Wilde ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 11/24/2014 4:12 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow people to travel for more than just HA Summit. Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Fabio ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
Am Samstag, 1. November 2014, 06:06:39 schrieb Fabio M. Di Nitto: just a kind reminder. On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote: All, it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all developers and vendors involved in Linux HA. I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in Brno [1]. DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices. My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and the 5th of February. The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA projects and explore common areas of improvements. I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd. Thoughts? Fabio PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see an answer :) [1] http://devconf.cz/ Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not? I have heard only from few people so far. I am interested. Two days should be enough. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Michael Schwartzkopff -- [*] sys4 AG http://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64, +49 (162) 165 0044 Franziskanerstraße 15, 81669 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
just a kind reminder. On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote: All, it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all developers and vendors involved in Linux HA. I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in Brno [1]. DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices. My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and the 5th of February. The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA projects and explore common areas of improvements. I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd. Thoughts? Fabio PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see an answer :) [1] http://devconf.cz/ Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not? I have heard only from few people so far. Cheers Fabio ___ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org