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--- Comment #35 from Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek  ---
Oh, nice. Not sure if Eric still plans to package this. Even if not, somebody
will sooner or later because there's still software out there that depends on
java3d.

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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--- Comment #34 from Harvey Harrison  ---
I have pulled in the changes that separate Java3d from java3d-utils. I have
tagged a version 1.6.2 in each of the projects vecmath, j3dcore and j3dutils.

This should resolve the licensing issue with java3d as it no longer requires
any of the code from j3dutils with the problematic statements.

The tags, or master branchs here can be used to package:

https://github.com/hharrison/vecmath
https://github.com/hharrison/java3d-core
https://github.com/hharrison/java3d-utils

Please advise if you run into any issues packaging, but at this point it should
be ready to go now.

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--- Comment #33 from Tom "spot" Callaway  ---
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Harvey, any updates here?

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--- Comment #32 from Tom "spot" Callaway  ---
On a cursory look, it does not seem like there is any real active upstream for
Java3d. I might be mistaken though.

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--- Comment #31 from mgans...@alice.de  ---
Are there any news about licensing?

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--- Comment #30 from Upstream Release Monitoring 
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jerboaa's scratch build of
java-1.8.0-openjdk?#d28765c33d068af9ff432a92443b93beeef88a22 for
git://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/java-1.8.0-openjdk?#d28765c33d068af9ff432a92443b93beeef88a22
and rawhide failed http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=12181621

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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--- Comment #29 from Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com ---
FWIW, even Sun/Oracle agrees that the nuclear clause makes that license
non-free, as do the lawyers who've reviewed it in the past.

In the not-too-distant past, Sun and Oracle were willing to relicense works
containing the nuclear clause to omit that clause. It might be worth filing a
bug with the relevant upstream to request relicensing there.

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--- Comment #28 from Felix Schwarz fschw...@fedoraproject.org ---
(In reply to Xavier Bachelot from comment #13)
 I'm a bit surprised this package is in Debian, as the license should
 probably be considered non-free for Debian too.

Debian considers this clause as a warranty disclaimer and not as a license
restriction: https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2012/09/msg00034.html
(just for completeness, I know that Fedora has different rules+obligations when
it comes to legal terms).

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--- Comment #26 from Jerry James loganje...@gmail.com ---
Could we get another update on the status, please?  Thanks for all the work
you've put into this, Harvey.

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--- Comment #27 from Harvey Harrison harvey.harri...@gmail.com ---
Sure, at this point I'm down to a single dependency, the Font3D class which
uses tesselation code from the j3dutils package.  I don't have huge amounts of
time these days to spend on Javs3d, so work is sporadic to say the least.

JOGL2 does ship tesselation utils that may provide suitable functionality that
could be adapted, but I'm not even looking at that until a regression with
offscreen canvases gets fixed.

I'm very willing to point people in the right direction if they want to help
out, otherwise the status is essentially unchanged for now. The one other
option is to get Oracle to relicense that file as plain BSD and then ship it,
or to find the original BSD code that it was based on and import that version
(I have not been able to find it unfortunately)

Harvey

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--- Comment #24 from Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com ---
Status here?

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--- Comment #25 from Harvey Harrison harvey.harri...@gmail.com ---
I found a few more two-way dependencies between Java3dutils and java3d, and
have only two left.  One is easy and one is a bit more difficult.

Easy - transparency sort comparator cache and interface
Harder - Font3D uses a geometryinfo class that unless I can find an
alternative, would have to be reimplemented.


WRT getting required dependencies into fedora:

- my vecmath fork has been packaged as vecmath 1.6.0 as of last week in rawhide
- in contact with the JOGL2 fedora packager, he will update to the 2.0.2
release soon

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--- Comment #22 from Harvey Harrison harvey.harri...@gmail.com ---
Looking at the remaining functions, it turns out the code in question was a
java port of some c++ code that was under a much more permissive license, I'm
just going to go back to the original c++ and re-port these two functions
myself.

Original c++:

http://www.geometrictools.com/

Covered by the Boost license:

http://www.boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt

I believe the boost license is an acceptable Fedora license, and is GPL
compatible, whom do I ask to make sure that is OK?

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--- Comment #23 from Susi Lehtola susi.leht...@iki.fi ---
(In reply to Harvey Harrison from comment #22)
 I believe the boost license is an acceptable Fedora license, and is GPL
 compatible, whom do I ask to make sure that is OK?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main?rd=Licensing

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--- Comment #19 from Susi Lehtola susi.leht...@iki.fi ---
(In reply to Harvey Harrison from comment #17)
 Updating status, I've removed the Java3d core dependency from j3dutils for
 all but one class which I'm still working one.  The class in question is
 com.sun.j3d.internal.Distance which is a collection of static math functions
 ported from the 'Wild Magic' library according to the file header.  Once
 this is removed, Java3d and vecmath should be OK to go into fedora.

Vecmath is already in Fedora.

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--- Comment #20 from Eric Smith space...@gmail.com ---
And the work I did on packaging upstream Java3d, and more recently on Harvey's
fork, has been based on using the existing Fedora vecmath package.

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--- Comment #21 from Harvey Harrison harvey.harri...@gmail.com ---
FWIW, I put in a bit of time this weekend and now have it down to only two
functions remaining in Java3d-utils that are used from Java3d-core, once those
are removed/reimplemented, Java3d should be ready to go in, it appears that a
new enough Jogl2 is already packaged in fedora, so Java3d should be pretty
simple to package now.

Harvey

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--- Comment #17 from Harvey Harrison harvey.harri...@gmail.com ---
Updating status, I've removed the Java3d core dependency from j3dutils for all
but one class which I'm still working one.  The class in question is
com.sun.j3d.internal.Distance which is a collection of static math functions
ported from the 'Wild Magic' library according to the file header.  Once this
is removed, Java3d and vecmath should be OK to go into fedora.

If anyone has a look at that file and feels it is OK to move it over the Java3d
core, I'd appreciate any advice, my current plans are to remove its use
entirely from core, but it is a larger task.

Because Java3d is now a java-only project and no longer ships any native code,
I imagine the fedora packages will need pruning.  How do I find the packager
for JOGL2 in Fedora-land to coordinate a suitably modern version of jogl2 for
Java3d's use?  I am involved in JOGL2 upstream, but not fedora as yet.

Harvey

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--- Comment #18 from gil cattaneo punto...@libero.it ---
hi
see https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/jogl2
after login, ask to become co-maintainer
regards

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--- Comment #16 from Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com ---
Thanks Harvey!  I'm definitely interested in packaging a version of Java3D with
the licensing problem resolved.  I'll look at the code at your links.

My primary interest in packaging Java3D was to support some 3D-printing related
applications, and I think using jogl2 as the back end should be perfectly fine
for that.

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--- Comment #14 from Harvey Harrison harvey.harri...@gmail.com ---
I've been maintaining a continuation of Java3d and in the medium term have
almost
removed all the dependency on the com.sun.internal code with the objectionable
license terms.

With that dependency removed, Java3d could be packaged without java3d-utils
which has the nuclear facilty clause on an otherwise 2-clause BSD license.

Java3d itself is GPLv2 w/ classpath exception.

https://github.com/hharrison/vecmath
https://github.com/hharrison/java3d-core
https://github.com/hharrison/java3d-utils

Note, my fork has removed all of the native backends and relies entirely on the
jogl2 project for OpenGL access.  Please let me know if people want me to check
back here when the internal stuff has been removed.

Cheers,

Harvey Harrison

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--- Comment #15 from Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com ---
Please do so, and thank you for undertaking this cleanup effort.

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--- Comment #11 from Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org ---
The problem with the nuclear facility clause is it makes the license
non-free, and thus voids the possibility to have the package in Fedora.

Has anyone filled a bug upstream to try and resolve the license issue ? If yes,
what the ticket number, I can't find it.

Eric, Gil, would you be willing to take this package to RPM Fusion ? It can
still be brought back to Fedora if the license issue is resolved someday.

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--- Comment #12 from gil cattaneo punto...@libero.it ---
hi Xavier,
I understand the problem but I do not need to have a package that is used only
in RPM Fusion. for me it is necessary to import
http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/ and its deps
(http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~billh/visad.html)
regards

p.s.
i know the difference between fedora and debian about the problems related to
licensing. but in the debian package exists ...
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-java/trunk/java3d/debian/copyright

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--- Comment #13 from Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org ---
Indeed, if Java3D goes to RPM Fusion, everything depending on it goes to RPM
Fusion too. They could be moved back to Fedora once Java3D moves back to Fedora
too (providing there are no other issue with them for Fedora, of course). I
think it's better to have the packages in RPM Fusion rather than not having
them at all, but you might have a different opinion :-)

Imho, the first step on the way to try and resolve this issue is to file a bug
upstream. That's why I first checked upstream bugtracker, then commented in
this ticket after failing to find a corresponding bug.

I'm a bit surprised this package is in Debian, as the license should probably
be considered non-free for Debian too.

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832853

Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org changed:

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 CC||punto...@libero.it

--- Comment #9 from Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org ---
*** Bug 881586 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832853

--- Comment #10 from gil cattaneo punto...@libero.it ---
there is someone want use this package for some nuclear facility?
Spec URL: http://gil.fedorapeople.org/java3d.spec
SRPM URL: http://gil.fedorapeople.org/java3d-1.5.2-1.fc16.src.rpm

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832853

Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org changed:

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 CC||xav...@bachelot.org

--- Comment #8 from Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org ---
If the license issue cannot be resolved with Oracle in a timely manner, you
might want to have this package included in a repository which accept non-free
license, such as RPM Fusion. This implies the other software that depend on
java3D will need to go there too.

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832853

Lameire Alexis alexisis-pristont...@hotmail.com changed:

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 CC||alexisis-pristontale@hotmai
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--- Comment #5 from Lameire Alexis alexisis-pristont...@hotmail.com ---
they are a licence issue into the com/sun/j3d/internal dir. I'll set the legal
flag to make a check if this file can be considered as a BSD like licence.

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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Lameire Alexis alexisis-pristont...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||182235 (FE-Legal)

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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Fedora End Of Life endofl...@fedoraproject.org changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Fedora End Of Life endofl...@fedoraproject.org ---
Those files are non-free because of this clause:

 * You acknowledge that this software is not designed, licensed or
 * intended for use in the design, construction, operation or
 * maintenance of any nuclear facility.

In the past, Sun was willing to drop that clause on a case by case basis (and
way back in 1998, they promised they were getting rid of it entirely...), but
now Sun is Oracle, and we have gotten very inconsistent help on licensing
issues from Oracle.

In addition, Oracle misleadingly lists that clause as part of the standard
Berkeley license here:
http://developers.sun.com/license/berkeley_license.html

You might try to reach out to the Java3d upstream to point out the issue, they
may have better luck resolving this issue.

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com changed:

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 CC||tcall...@redhat.com

--- Comment #7 from Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com ---
Whoops. That last comment was me. :)

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832853

--- Comment #2 from Joachim Katzer jokat...@gmx.de ---
Created attachment 602385
  -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=602385action=edit
Suggested changes to java3d.spec

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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Joachim Katzer jokat...@gmx.de changed:

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 CC||jokat...@gmx.de

--- Comment #3 from Joachim Katzer jokat...@gmx.de ---
I have successfully rebuilt the java3d src.rpm for my personal RHEL6 repo (on a
SL6 machine), but I had to make following changes (see attachment in Comment
2):

java3d uses JNI, but the 1.5.2-2 rpm is missing libj3dcore-ogl.so. As a
consequence I have also changed the installation directory for the .jar and .so
files to %{_jnidir}/%{name}.

2 additional BuildRequries are necessary: ant-nodeps, and mesa-libGLw-devel.

Applications using java3d may have to add %{_jnidir}/java3d to the
LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable before calling java in their wrapper script.

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832853

--- Comment #4 from Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com ---
Spec URL: http://fedorapeople.org/~brouhaha/java3d/java3d.spec
SRPM URL: http://fedorapeople.org/~brouhaha/java3d/java3d-1.5.2-3.fc16.src.rpm

Has most of the changes suggested by Joachim Katzer (thanks!).  Did not add
cleaning or defattr as they are declared obsolete in packaging guidelines.

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[Bug 832853] Review Request: java3d - Java 3D

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832853

--- Comment #1 from Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com ---
Spec URL: http://fedorapeople.org/~brouhaha/java3d/java3d.spec
SRPM URL: http://fedorapeople.org/~brouhaha/java3d/java3d-1.5.2-2.fc17.src.rpm

Updated to fix problem building with OpenJDK7.
Dropped bundled vecmath in favor of existing Fedora package.

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