RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
As far as I know it is but I think they're talking about their embedded player. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 2:17 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Hi Steve! But isn't Winamp a part of AOL? - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Access-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PC-Audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. As you know through the recent release of the accessible webmail product, AOL Instant Messenger and other products, we're committed to ensuring the usability of our products and services with screen access software. There are times however where business needs put us in a situation where we regrettably cannot deliver an accessible interface when a product is first launched. This is the case with AOL Radio. We will certainly look to you, Mr. Roderick and others to test the accessibility of the new player interface once the team is a bit further down the path of implementing the necessary usability improvements. Best, Tom Forwarded message from Rick Roderick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gui-talk] AOL radio To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying the new version of AOL radio. Unfortunately, some of the keys are not working. I am using Internet Explorer and JAWS 9. When I get to the categories, it says that a particular category is off and to press open it. When I press Enter, I simply hear the same message, and the category remains closed. I go into a selection of all stations, and not all the stations come up. I am able to choose a category from this area, however. When I do so, I then select a station. Everything works fine. However, when I hit Alt-Left-Arrow to go back to the list, I can't get out of the current station. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
Hi Steve! But isn't Winamp a part of AOL? - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Access-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PC-Audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. As you know through the recent release of the accessible webmail product, AOL Instant Messenger and other products, we're committed to ensuring the usability of our products and services with screen access software. There are times however where business needs put us in a situation where we regrettably cannot deliver an accessible interface when a product is first launched. This is the case with AOL Radio. We will certainly look to you, Mr. Roderick and others to test the accessibility of the new player interface once the team is a bit further down the path of implementing the necessary usability improvements. Best, Tom Forwarded message from Rick Roderick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gui-talk] AOL radio To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying the new version of AOL radio. Unfortunately, some of the keys are not working. I am using Internet Explorer and JAWS 9. When I get to the categories, it says that a particular category is off and to press open it. When I press Enter, I simply hear the same message, and the category remains closed. I go into a selection of all stations, and not all the stations come up. I am able to choose a category from this area, however. When I do so, I then select a station. Everything works fine. However, when I hit Alt-Left-Arrow to go back to the list, I can't get out of the current station. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
Hi On the subject of aol, I have just installed aol 8 it installed spy zapper, can I disable this and if so how do I achieve this? Regards Adrien You can get me off list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I support cobweb, why don't you? Cobweb is a charity which provides support for sick and disabled children and their families. To find out more or to make a donation go to: www.cobwebfoundation.org Speakon is a free fully self-voicing accessible multimedia program for the visually impaired, find out more by downloading the software from: http://www.a-technic.net/speakon.htm You can join the speakon user group by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:29 AM To: Access-L; PC-Audio Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. As you know through the recent release of the accessible webmail product, AOL Instant Messenger and other products, we're committed to ensuring the usability of our products and services with screen access software. There are times however where business needs put us in a situation where we regrettably cannot deliver an accessible interface when a product is first launched. This is the case with AOL Radio. We will certainly look to you, Mr. Roderick and others to test the accessibility of the new player interface once the team is a bit further down the path of implementing the necessary usability improvements. Best, Tom Forwarded message from Rick Roderick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gui-talk] AOL radio To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying the new version of AOL radio. Unfortunately, some of the keys are not working. I am using Internet Explorer and JAWS 9. When I get to the categories, it says that a particular category is off and to press open it. When I press Enter, I simply hear the same message, and the category remains closed. I go into a selection of all stations, and not all the stations come up. I am able to choose a category from this area, however. When I do so, I then select a station. Everything works fine. However, when I hit Alt-Left-Arrow to go back to the list, I can't get out of the current station. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
I'd first look at uninstalling it. Although it installed with a package of other products it may still have an uninstallation program of its own. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrien Collins Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:10 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Hi On the subject of aol, I have just installed aol 8 it installed spy zapper, can I disable this and if so how do I achieve this? Regards Adrien You can get me off list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I support cobweb, why don't you? Cobweb is a charity which provides support for sick and disabled children and their families. To find out more or to make a donation go to: www.cobwebfoundation.org Speakon is a free fully self-voicing accessible multimedia program for the visually impaired, find out more by downloading the software from: http://www.a-technic.net/speakon.htm You can join the speakon user group by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:29 AM To: Access-L; PC-Audio Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. As you know through the recent release of the accessible webmail product, AOL Instant Messenger and other products, we're committed to ensuring the usability of our products and services with screen access software. There are times however where business needs put us in a situation where we regrettably cannot deliver an accessible interface when a product is first launched. This is the case with AOL Radio. We will certainly look to you, Mr. Roderick and others to test the accessibility of the new player interface once the team is a bit further down the path of implementing the necessary usability improvements. Best, Tom Forwarded message from Rick Roderick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gui-talk] AOL radio To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying the new version of AOL radio. Unfortunately, some of the keys are not working. I am using Internet Explorer and JAWS 9. When I get to the categories, it says that a particular category is off and to press open it. When I press Enter, I simply hear the same message, and the category remains closed. I go into a selection of all stations, and not all the stations come up. I am able to choose a category from this area, however. When I do so, I then select a station. Everything works fine. However, when I hit Alt-Left-Arrow to go back to the list, I can't get out of the current station. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help,
burning cds and dvds
Hi all What are you using to burn cds and dvds that is accessible? regards Richard Beausoleil PRODUCTIONS BEAUSOLEIL Arrangements musicaux - studio Spectacle musicaux de styles variés Événements corporatifs ou privés Tél : (514) 924-0411 Courriel : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.myspace.com/richardbeausoleil Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: talks
Paul, You can get all of your questions answered about Talks by joining the Talks Users List. To find out how, go to: http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Oeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: talks I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to my phone? My question is how to install talks on the phone? Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: burning cds and dvds
Windows Media Player is accessible for CD's and I can't remember which burner to use for DVDs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PRODUCTIONS BEAUSOLEIL Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:22 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: burning cds and dvds Hi all What are you using to burn cds and dvds that is accessible? regards Richard Beausoleil PRODUCTIONS BEAUSOLEIL Arrangements musicaux - studio Spectacle musicaux de styles variés Événements corporatifs ou privés Tél : (514) 924-0411 Courriel : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.myspace.com/richardbeausoleil Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
It will be with your other installed applications in the add/remove programs folder. If you're running Vista it will be under programs and features which you'll find in the control panel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrien Collins Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:38 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) HI Ok Where do I find it on my system? Regards Adrien You can get me off list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I support cobweb, why don't you? Cobweb is a charity which provides support for sick and disabled children and their families. To find out more or to make a donation go to: www.cobwebfoundation.org Speakon is a free fully self-voicing accessible multimedia program for the visually impaired, find out more by downloading the software from: http://www.a-technic.net/speakon.htm You can join the speakon user group by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of albert griffith Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) I'd first look at uninstalling it. Although it installed with a package of other products it may still have an uninstallation program of its own. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrien Collins Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:10 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Hi On the subject of aol, I have just installed aol 8 it installed spy zapper, can I disable this and if so how do I achieve this? Regards Adrien You can get me off list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I support cobweb, why don't you? Cobweb is a charity which provides support for sick and disabled children and their families. To find out more or to make a donation go to: www.cobwebfoundation.org Speakon is a free fully self-voicing accessible multimedia program for the visually impaired, find out more by downloading the software from: http://www.a-technic.net/speakon.htm You can join the speakon user group by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:29 AM To: Access-L; PC-Audio Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. As you know through the recent release of the accessible webmail product, AOL Instant Messenger and other products, we're committed to ensuring the usability of our products and services with screen access software. There are times however where business needs put us in a
Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
Darrell, In his response, Tom Wlodkowski did not offer a workplan or timeframe on how the access concern would be resolved. He indicated that there was no commitment from CBS Radio and other third parties to give AOL the ability to modify the interface for accessibility. Currently what we have are promises from time Warner that can't actually be fulfilled. has anyone asked Tom for the time frame for resolution and ongoing updates? Regarding alternate methods, consider accessing a CBS Radio stream and capturing all the URL's that are generated with a program such as Replay A/V or URL sniffer. Plug each URL into Winamp and in nearly all the stations I have tried, I eventually connected with the station. Bookmark the station and then access it in Winamp in the future. I have listened to WXRT in Chicago for about a year now with this method. Other cool CBS stations are likely similar. Kelly - Original Message - From: Darrell Shandrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Yeah, really, even I believe a lawsuit or anything close over this situation would be jumping the gun. I'd definitely like to know about alternative streaming options though. - Original Message - From: albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) I don't think so. AOL seems to be acting in good faith but we'll have to wait and see. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris ramsay Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:32 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) sounds like time for another law suit. chris - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Access-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PC-Audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:28 PM Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. As you know through the recent release of the accessible webmail product, AOL Instant Messenger and other products, we're committed to ensuring the usability of our products and services with screen access software. There are times however where business needs put us in a situation where we regrettably cannot deliver an accessible interface when a product is first launched. This is the case with AOL Radio. We will certainly look to you, Mr. Roderick and others to test the accessibility of the new player interface once the team is a bit further down the path of implementing the necessary usability improvements. Best, Tom
RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
HI Ok Where do I find it on my system? Regards Adrien You can get me off list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I support cobweb, why don't you? Cobweb is a charity which provides support for sick and disabled children and their families. To find out more or to make a donation go to: www.cobwebfoundation.org Speakon is a free fully self-voicing accessible multimedia program for the visually impaired, find out more by downloading the software from: http://www.a-technic.net/speakon.htm You can join the speakon user group by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of albert griffith Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) I'd first look at uninstalling it. Although it installed with a package of other products it may still have an uninstallation program of its own. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrien Collins Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:10 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Hi On the subject of aol, I have just installed aol 8 it installed spy zapper, can I disable this and if so how do I achieve this? Regards Adrien You can get me off list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I support cobweb, why don't you? Cobweb is a charity which provides support for sick and disabled children and their families. To find out more or to make a donation go to: www.cobwebfoundation.org Speakon is a free fully self-voicing accessible multimedia program for the visually impaired, find out more by downloading the software from: http://www.a-technic.net/speakon.htm You can join the speakon user group by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:29 AM To: Access-L; PC-Audio Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. As you know through the recent release of the accessible webmail product, AOL Instant Messenger and other products, we're committed to ensuring the usability of our products and services with screen access software. There are times however where business needs put us in a situation where we regrettably cannot deliver an accessible interface when a product is first launched. This is the case with AOL Radio. We will certainly look to you, Mr. Roderick and others to test the accessibility of the new player interface once the team is a bit further down the path of implementing the necessary usability improvements. Best, Tom Forwarded message from Rick Roderick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Kelly, Indeed, I am understanding so long as AOL is actively working with CBS to meet their accessibility obligations under the laws and in accordance with NFB's previously agreed upon settlement with AOL. If it turns out this is, in fact, not happening in good faith, then NFB should be ultimately taking the lead as the organization who originally made the agreement. In the meantime, I am aware of URL capturing, but I feel it should be AOL who provides this information officially as an alternative for its blind and visually impaired listeners as a means of showing good faith. I will say one good thing for AOL in this instance. They are, at least, admitting there is a problem, which is a heck of a lot more than most mainstream technology companies do for us these days. Most companies continue to believe it is acceptable to ignore our needs. That's happening for one reason. We're not making our voices heard frequently and loudly enough! - Original Message - From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Darrell, In his response, Tom Wlodkowski did not offer a workplan or timeframe on how the access concern would be resolved. He indicated that there was no commitment from CBS Radio and other third parties to give AOL the ability to modify the interface for accessibility. Currently what we have are promises from time Warner that can't actually be fulfilled. has anyone asked Tom for the time frame for resolution and ongoing updates? Regarding alternate methods, consider accessing a CBS Radio stream and capturing all the URL's that are generated with a program such as Replay A/V or URL sniffer. Plug each URL into Winamp and in nearly all the stations I have tried, I eventually connected with the station. Bookmark the station and then access it in Winamp in the future. I have listened to WXRT in Chicago for about a year now with this method. Other cool CBS stations are likely similar. Kelly - Original Message - From: Darrell Shandrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Yeah, really, even I believe a lawsuit or anything close over this situation would be jumping the gun. I'd definitely like to know about alternative streaming options though. - Original Message - From: albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) I don't think so. AOL seems to be acting in good faith but we'll have to wait and see. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris ramsay Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:32 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) sounds like time for another law suit. chris - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Access-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PC-Audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:28 PM Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record
RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
Yeah, and CBS itself is a pretty big business too. If they promise to work with them to make the player more accessible, that's really all they can do. At 10:52 PM 6/6/2008, you wrote: I don't think so. AOL seems to be acting in good faith but we'll have to wait and see. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris ramsay Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:32 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) sounds like time for another law suit. chris - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Access-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PC-Audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:28 PM Subject: Fwd: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) From: Curtis Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings and felicitations: I have been asked to post the following message on behalf of Tom Wlodkowski, Director of Accessibility for America Online (AOL). Mr. Wlodkowski does not bring good news, I am afraid; however, in his favor, he is doing his best to provide us with advance notice and a promise to work to make things better. He and I have worked together for several years on accessibility issues pertaining to America Online, and I believe him to be a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities. Should you wish to contact Mr. Wlodkowski directly, his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is Mr. Wlodkowski's message and the original post to which it refers: Cordially, Curtis Chong --- The player Mr. Roderick references in his original GUI Talk post below is one built by AOL. While there were some compatibility issues between the AOL Radio player and JAWS due to the use of javascript, it was generally usable. Regrettably, this player will no longer be available as of June 9. In fact we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience and plan to work with our partner to improve usability of our new player in subsequent releases. Beginning on June 9, the AOL Radio product will be powered by CBS Radio. The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. As you know through the recent release of the accessible webmail product, AOL Instant Messenger and other products, we're committed to ensuring the usability of our products and services with screen access software. There are times however where business needs put us in a situation where we regrettably cannot deliver an accessible interface when a product is first launched. This is the case with AOL Radio. We will certainly look to you, Mr. Roderick and others to test the accessibility of the new player interface once the team is a bit further down the path of implementing the necessary usability improvements. Best, Tom Forwarded message from Rick Roderick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gui-talk] AOL radio To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying the new version of AOL radio. Unfortunately, some of the keys are not working. I am using Internet Explorer and JAWS 9. When I get to the categories, it says that a particular category is off and to press open it. When I press Enter, I simply hear the same message, and the category remains closed. I go into a selection of all stations, and not all the stations come up. I am able to choose a category from this area, however. When I do so, I then select a station. Everything works fine. However, when I hit Alt-Left-Arrow to go back to the list, I can't get out of the current station. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more...
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Darrell I wish it were as simple as you suggest -- making voices louder. The reasons go beyond that and are far more practical. Other than the legal legs accessability (whatever that is) stands on, the marketplace well realizes that the blind are such an insignificant economic group to market to (both due to incomes as well as numbers) that who cares. Learn to work with the alternatives -- everything from Replay Av's url finder to 3rd station databases -- and one's radio listening life will be far more pleasant. Like many things, these will be resolved though admittedly many people will be inconvenienced as adaptive equipment software vendors, scripters, and other 3rd parties attempt to figure all this out. It would be nice if some new player showed its face at 6 am and the adapters figured it out by 6:15. But that doesn't and cannot happen. Let's see what this means, if anything, for bookmarked and preset CBS urls come Monday. I have RAV set to do one at 6 am and another at 1 pm Eastern. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Tyler, My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: http:/./www.verisandwireless.com Will Talks work on it? My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM Subject: Re: talks Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a screen reader for your phone, as I understand it. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM Subject: Re: talks High Paul, What is Talks? Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for blind people? Thanks. John. - Original Message - From: Paul Oeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: talks I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to my phone? My question is how to install talks on the phone? Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: 6/6/2008 8:01 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Radio
Hello Everyone, As an accessibility evangelist, of course, I disagree with any and all those who frequently make statements emphasizing our smallness and insignificance in the world at large as a means to justify doing little or nothing about accessibility challenges. Yes. We are very tiny in number in comparison with the rest of the population who is not blind, but that really has nothing to do with how well we can make our voices heard in order to achieve positive changes for the better. One possible metaphore might be to compare us with those who profess their faith in the Jewish religion here in the United States, which is an incredibly small minority in number as compared with catholics and evangelical Christians. Despite their small numbers, the Jewish seem to experience little or no difficulty making their needs known and they tend to enjoy great success and wealth in all walks of life. I'd like to see something similar happen for those of us who are blind. We can't look to others to make this happen, but only to ourselves. It must start with us! We must decide that we are valuable human beings deserving of our human rights, of the accessibility and equal treatment with our sighted peers we must enjoy in order to be able to fully participate in society on a par with the sighted. Though it starts with us, a technological world dictates that we have equal access to information in the information and knowledge age. Accessibility must ultimately be available if we are to actively and productively participate in such critical areas of life as education, employment and leisure. We must achieve equality of opportunity through making our own accessibility solutions where practical and advocating for reasonable accomodations when accessibility is required in order for us to participate. The issues boil down to one of these two needs in all cases. There is no third option of taking the path of least resistance; not if we want to count ourselves as fully living and breathing human beings and citizens, possessing the same inalienable rights and responsibilities already enjoyed by the sighted. One excellent example of a project where we are making our own accessibility is Benetech's Bookshare project available at http://www.bookshare.org. Blind people and others with print reading disabilities subscribe to a web based service where they may download and read from a selection of tens of thousands of books available in an accessible, electronic format for use on their computers and portable assistive technology. This is all made possible by a team of blind and sighted volunteers who scan books into electronic format and validators who correct scanning errors and reformat the books for final entry into the collection. Another example of making our own accessibility is the existence of the blindness access technology industry. We spend tens of thousands of dollars on screen readers, Braille displays, scanners with optical character recognition software, specialized personal digital assistants (PDAs) and a myriad of other high and low technology items on which we have grown to depend in order to adapt ourselves to the world. In many cases, government agencies purchase some or all of this technology under specific circumstances, but this is, by no means, guaranteed. Despite our own efforts, there often remains a wide gap between that which we are able to make accessible on our own and that technology which we must use in the classroom, on the job, etc. When we are not able to close these gaps through our own efforts and assistive technology, reasonable accomodations on the part of the developer of that technology are required if we are to be permitted full and equal participation. Failures to reasonably accomodate our needs often result in the curtailment of educational opportunities and even the needless loss of jobs! As a blind community, we can take actions such as the following to improve our accessibility to the world of technology around us: * Understand that we need equal accessibility in order to participate in society on a par with our sighted peers. * Believe and live the concept that accessibility through reasonable accomodations is a human right and the right thing to do in all cases. * Check with other individuals and organizations in the blind community to see if the technology has already been made accessible. * Write letters to technology developers asking that they reasonably accomodate our need for accessibility. * When available, provide suggestions and technical consulting necessary to improve accessibility. * Work to have existing legislation covering accessibility enforced more consistently and frequently. * Encourage the passage of new legislation to clarify our needs and mandate increased accessibility in areas not already covered. Achieving equal participation in the knowledge age is currently a hard fought
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John, Go to: http://www.nuance.com/talks/phones.asp to see a list of supported phones. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 6:25 PM Subject: Re: talks Hello Tyler, My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: http:/./www.verisandwireless.com Will Talks work on it? My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM Subject: Re: talks Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a screen reader for your phone, as I understand it. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM Subject: Re: talks High Paul, What is Talks? Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for blind people? Thanks. John. - Original Message - From: Paul Oeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: talks I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to my phone? My question is how to install talks on the phone? Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: 6/6/2008 8:01 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry talks won't work on that phone -- must be using the Symbian operating system of certain types. on Saturday 06/07/2008 DJ DOCTOR P([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote Hello Tyler, My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: http:/./www.verisandwireless.com Will Talks work on it? My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM Subject: Re: talks Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a screen reader for your phone, as I understand it. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM Subject: Re: talks High Paul, What is Talks? Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for blind people? Thanks. John. - Original Message - From: Paul Oeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: talks I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to my phone? My question is how to install talks on the phone? Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: 6/6/2008 8:01 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From America Online(AOL) Radio
Hello Darrow, I agree with you 250%! I live in a small town in North Florida where accessibility is an on going battle for me and other blind people that live here. Take the simple act of crossing the street for an example. A blind person can't cross the streets without fearing for his or her life. Sure we have the walk buttons that turns on a red light, but how are we to know that it's on? There is no audible signal given to us blind people. I and a few others, are fighting to change that. This is what must be done about this AOL on line radio thing. If we just set by and do nothing, then the sighted people will yank our lives away from us. This is why we blind people need to stand up for our rights. This is why I agree with you 250%. I will send emails to these people and tell them how I feel. The rest of you on this list, need to do the same. If they don't listen to us, then a law soot is required to bring fourth a change in our favor. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Darrell Shandrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Wlodkowski, Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From America Online(AOL) Radio Hello Everyone, As an accessibility evangelist, of course, I disagree with any and all those who frequently make statements emphasizing our smallness and insignificance in the world at large as a means to justify doing little or nothing about accessibility challenges. Yes. We are very tiny in number in comparison with the rest of the population who is not blind, but that really has nothing to do with how well we can make our voices heard in order to achieve positive changes for the better. One possible metaphore might be to compare us with those who profess their faith in the Jewish religion here in the United States, which is an incredibly small minority in number as compared with catholics and evangelical Christians. Despite their small numbers, the Jewish seem to experience little or no difficulty making their needs known and they tend to enjoy great success and wealth in all walks of life. I'd like to see something similar happen for those of us who are blind. We can't look to others to make this happen, but only to ourselves. It must start with us! We must decide that we are valuable human beings deserving of our human rights, of the accessibility and equal treatment with our sighted peers we must enjoy in order to be able to fully participate in society on a par with the sighted. Though it starts with us, a technological world dictates that we have equal access to information in the information and knowledge age. Accessibility must ultimately be available if we are to actively and productively participate in such critical areas of life as education, employment and leisure. We must achieve equality of opportunity through making our own accessibility solutions where practical and advocating for reasonable accomodations when accessibility is required in order for us to participate. The issues boil down to one of these two needs in all cases. There is no third option of taking the path of least resistance; not if we want to count ourselves as fully living and breathing human beings and citizens, possessing the same inalienable rights and responsibilities already enjoyed by the sighted. One excellent example of a project where we are making our own accessibility is Benetech's Bookshare project available at http://www.bookshare.org. Blind people and others with print reading disabilities subscribe to a web based service where they may download and read from a selection of tens of thousands of books available in an accessible, electronic format for use on their computers and portable assistive technology. This is all made possible by a team of blind and sighted volunteers who scan books into electronic format and validators who correct scanning errors and reformat the books for final entry into the collection. Another example of making our own accessibility is the existence of the blindness access technology industry. We spend tens of thousands of dollars on screen readers, Braille displays, scanners with optical character recognition software, specialized personal digital assistants (PDAs) and a myriad of other high and low technology items on which we have grown to depend in order to adapt ourselves to the world. In many cases, government agencies purchase some or all of this technology under specific circumstances, but this is, by no means, guaranteed. Despite our own efforts, there often remains a wide gap between that which we are able to make accessible on our own and that technology which we must use in the classroom, on the job, etc. When we are not able to close these gaps
Re: talks
High Garry, thank you man, I will do that. If not tonight, then I will tomorrow right after church. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Re: talks John, Go to: http://www.nuance.com/talks/phones.asp to see a list of supported phones. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 6:25 PM Subject: Re: talks Hello Tyler, My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: http:/./www.verisandwireless.com Will Talks work on it? My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM Subject: Re: talks Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a screen reader for your phone, as I understand it. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM Subject: Re: talks High Paul, What is Talks? Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for blind people? Thanks. John. - Original Message - From: Paul Oeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: talks I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to my phone? My question is how to install talks on the phone? Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: 6/6/2008 8:01 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Hello Mike, Well, hmm, of course, urgings to advocate for better accessibility do not negate other items on one's plate, and I even said this particular specific matter isn't of the utmost priority in my own article on this subject... :-) This AOL player issue is primarily used in the article as yet another example of possibly taking steps backward and attempting to do something about it. How many minutes does it take each of you to write two short notes: one to the AOL accessibility team and another to CBS? I even provided the e-mail address and link in my article. What more do you want? Of course, again, there are always many many reasons and ways to justify doing absolutely nothing at all. Somehow, doing or saying nothing at all about any accessibility issue, regardless of importance, is emphasized over taking any action. Oh, well... - Original Message - From: Mike Pietruk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio John and Darrell While I sympathize with your cause (and at this point do you guys even know what problems this player will present, if any), blind people in particular and Americans in general have far bigger things on their plate these days then worrying if someone can get at a media player. John, your safely crossing a street deserves 250% greater attention than this CBS/AOL player. Perhaps this player will prove workable via scripts or whatever. Perhaps other players can and will play the same streams. Frankly, I am ffar more concerned about the spiraling cost of gas, how expensive medical care and insurance is, that, in the case of northern Florida, you guys are fighting the Central part of the state over water wrights, and the myriads of other social issues that involve quality of life. Sure, it would be nice if this player worked out of the box; but having watched so many of these blindness evangelist battles, I often have found that the things that get complained about are usable either directly or indirectly. It is not that this isn't important; but there are far more things that ought to be viewed as important and perhaps some values are totally out of whack when quantums of energy get directed to an audio player rather than other things. There aren't unlimited dollars out there; and frankly I have a greater concern that John can get home safely than whether he'll have to use another player to listen to his favorite sports talk show. why? Well, if he cannot get around safely, he won't be able to listen to those shows anyway? And if he cannot afford adequate health care directly or indirectly, he won't be around to listen either. America is going through tough times these days; look at home foreclosures, rising unemployment rates, and all the rest. Politicians cannot embrace the types of things we are talking here at the moment as frankly it is even sad that we can give these things greater importance when there are true hurts out there, not just inconveniences. Yes, I'll be curious Monday to see what this means if anything. However, I am guessing that all of us will be listening to most of the same things we do today, but perhaps in a slightly different way. And before writing off the new AOL player, I would suggest first looking at the product to see if the warnings are warranted. Perhaps they are, but they may not be also. And there are many ways to listen to the same thing. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Please keep this thread related to audio and not make it a rant about Accessibility issues. Thank you, Tom Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From America Online(AOL) Radio
Well stated man! I was looking for those words of wisdom But I'm glad you pulled them out of the tool box for me. So many people, so many sheep! BAhAhAAA! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: June 7, 2008 10:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From America Online(AOL) Radio John and Darrell While I sympathize with your cause (and at this point do you guys even know what problems this player will present, if any), blind people in particular and Americans in general have far bigger things on their plate these days then worrying if someone can get at a media player. John, your safely crossing a street deserves 250% greater attention than this CBS/AOL player. Perhaps this player will prove workable via scripts or whatever. Perhaps other players can and will play the same streams. Frankly, I am ffar more concerned about the spiraling cost of gas, how expensive medical care and insurance is, that, in the case of northern Florida, you guys are fighting the Central part of the state over water wrights, and the myriads of other social issues that involve quality of life. Sure, it would be nice if this player worked out of the box; but having watched so many of these blindness evangelist battles, I often have found that the things that get complained about are usable either directly or indirectly. It is not that this isn't important; but there are far more things that ought to be viewed as important and perhaps some values are totally out of whack when quantums of energy get directed to an audio player rather than other things. There aren't unlimited dollars out there; and frankly I have a greater concern that John can get home safely than whether he'll have to use another player to listen to his favorite sports talk show. why? Well, if he cannot get around safely, he won't be able to listen to those shows anyway? And if he cannot afford adequate health care directly or indirectly, he won't be around to listen either. America is going through tough times these days; look at home foreclosures, rising unemployment rates, and all the rest. Politicians cannot embrace the types of things we are talking here at the moment as frankly it is even sad that we can give these things greater importance when there are true hurts out there, not just inconveniences. Yes, I'll be curious Monday to see what this means if anything. However, I am guessing that all of us will be listening to most of the same things we do today, but perhaps in a slightly different way. And before writing off the new AOL player, I would suggest first looking at the product to see if the warnings are warranted. Perhaps they are, but they may not be also. And there are many ways to listen to the same thing. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Like AOL sucks dude! What I heard mike offer was possible alternatives. I also red that he thinks there are more important issues facing Americans today. Blind Evangelist? What the $#%^ is that any way? Sounds to me like an exaduragion of one's own self importance and influence! Hallelujah! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow Sent: June 7, 2008 10:48 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio Hello Mike, Well, hmm, of course, urgings to advocate for better accessibility do not negate other items on one's plate, and I even said this particular specific matter isn't of the utmost priority in my own article on this subject... :-) This AOL player issue is primarily used in the article as yet another example of possibly taking steps backward and attempting to do something about it. How many minutes does it take each of you to write two short notes: one to the AOL accessibility team and another to CBS? I even provided the e-mail address and link in my article. What more do you want? Of course, again, there are always many many reasons and ways to justify doing absolutely nothing at all. Somehow, doing or saying nothing at all about any accessibility issue, regardless of importance, is emphasized over taking any action. Oh, well... - Original Message - From: Mike Pietruk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio John and Darrell While I sympathize with your cause (and at this point do you guys even know what problems this player will present, if any), blind people in particular and Americans in general have far bigger things on their plate these days then worrying if someone can get at a media player. John, your safely crossing a street deserves 250% greater attention than this CBS/AOL player. Perhaps this player will prove workable via scripts or whatever. Perhaps other players can and will play the same streams. Frankly, I am ffar more concerned about the spiraling cost of gas, how expensive medical care and insurance is, that, in the case of northern Florida, you guys are fighting the Central part of the state over water wrights, and the myriads of other social issues that involve quality of life. Sure, it would be nice if this player worked out of the box; but having watched so many of these blindness evangelist battles, I often have found that the things that get complained about are usable either directly or indirectly. It is not that this isn't important; but there are far more things that ought to be viewed as important and perhaps some values are totally out of whack when quantums of energy get directed to an audio player rather than other things. There aren't unlimited dollars out there; and frankly I have a greater concern that John can get home safely than whether he'll have to use another player to listen to his favorite sports talk show. why? Well, if he cannot get around safely, he won't be able to listen to those shows anyway? And if he cannot afford adequate health care directly or indirectly, he won't be around to listen either. America is going through tough times these days; look at home foreclosures, rising unemployment rates, and all the rest. Politicians cannot embrace the types of things we are talking here at the moment as frankly it is even sad that we can give these things greater importance when there are true hurts out there, not just inconveniences. Yes, I'll be curious Monday to see what this means if anything. However, I am guessing that all of us will be listening to most of the same things we do today, but perhaps in a slightly different way. And before writing off the new AOL player, I would suggest first looking at the product to see if the warnings are warranted. Perhaps they are, but they may not be also. And there are many ways to listen to the same thing. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
OOPs! Sorry dude! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: June 7, 2008 11:13 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio Please keep this thread related to audio and not make it a rant about Accessibility issues. Thank you, Tom Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Winamp Scripts
You can read about the Window-Eyes scripts for Winamp and the features they contain so far at https://www.gwmicro.com/Script_Central/Scripts/Script_Details/?scriptid=1016. These scripts will be able to be used once the public beta of Window-Eyes 7 is released. Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
