xitel hifi link
Hi all Have now decided exactly what to do with my hifi stuff. In my circumstances I am looking at the xitel hifi link. A friend of mine has one. She is very very particular regarding sound and is very satisfied with it. It seems to be a no nonsense little DAC with clear sound. For a very reasonable price. Does anyone on the list have experience with this piece of hardware? Please note that I will only be playing audio cds and music in various formats from my computer on it. I just need a good quality digital to analog converter. Andre
Re: xitel hifi link
I have two of them. They work very well. Essentially, they become the default sound card for your computer so you'll need to designate your computer's sound card to be used with your screen reader. They do cause a bit of a mess with the wires and keeping the 2 different DACs straight, in my case. For the price, I don't think you can go wrong though. - Original Message - From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:44 AM Subject: xitel hifi link Hi all Have now decided exactly what to do with my hifi stuff. In my circumstances I am looking at the xitel hifi link. A friend of mine has one. She is very very particular regarding sound and is very satisfied with it. It seems to be a no nonsense little DAC with clear sound. For a very reasonable price. Does anyone on the list have experience with this piece of hardware? Please note that I will only be playing audio cds and music in various formats from my computer on it. I just need a good quality digital to analog converter. Andre
Re: Xitel HIFI link
I don't use the Xitel HIFI 100 any more but it should do what you want! Unless you are using an old Windows XP machine, you don't need to install any drivers. it has analog and toslink digital outs. I have it packed away so I can't immediately check to see if it has an SPDIF out on it. -Original Message- From: André van Deventer Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:44 AM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: xitel hifi link Hi all Have now decided exactly what to do with my hifi stuff. In my circumstances I am looking at the xitel hifi link. A friend of mine has one. She is very very particular regarding sound and is very satisfied with it. It seems to be a no nonsense little DAC with clear sound. For a very reasonable price. Does anyone on the list have experience with this piece of hardware? Please note that I will only be playing audio cds and music in various formats from my computer on it. I just need a good quality digital to analog converter. Andre
RE: xitel hifi link
Clifford I will probably be using it as my primary sound card anyway as I have an induction loop system connected to one of the outputs of my Nad amplifier which I use to listen to speech because of a hearing loss. Thanx for the feedback. This seems to be the way I will go then. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Clifford Blackwell Sent: 22 April 2015 02:53 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: xitel hifi link I have two of them. They work very well. Essentially, they become the default sound card for your computer so you'll need to designate your computer's sound card to be used with your screen reader. They do cause a bit of a mess with the wires and keeping the 2 different DACs straight, in my case. For the price, I don't think you can go wrong though. - Original Message - From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:44 AM Subject: xitel hifi link Hi all Have now decided exactly what to do with my hifi stuff. In my circumstances I am looking at the xitel hifi link. A friend of mine has one. She is very very particular regarding sound and is very satisfied with it. It seems to be a no nonsense little DAC with clear sound. For a very reasonable price. Does anyone on the list have experience with this piece of hardware? Please note that I will only be playing audio cds and music in various formats from my computer on it. I just need a good quality digital to analog converter. Andre
Re: xitel hifi link
Here's a review of it, make of it what you will. http://www.cnet.com/au/products/xitel-hifi-link/ On 22/04/2015 10:44 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Have now decided exactly what to do with my hifi stuff. In my circumstances I am looking at the xitel hifi link. A friend of mine has one. She is very very particular regarding sound and is very satisfied with it. It seems to be a no nonsense little DAC with clear sound. For a very reasonable price. Does anyone on the list have experience with this piece of hardware? Please note that I will only be playing audio cds and music in various formats from my computer on it. I just need a good quality digital to analog converter. Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
lossless streaming via bluetooth
Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computers speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loops input is connected to my hifis output also. So I need to find a way for my computers speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre
RE: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi
Another angle on this. If you can stream music to your computer from your iphone through the airport express, can you do it the other way round, i.e. stream music from your to your iphone? Just curious. André -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 12:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Nice, I'll have to see where I can find one, as far as I know Amazon don't ship electronic goods to Australia. On 22/04/2015 8:23 AM, Tim Grady wrote: Sure does. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:16 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Now that's nice! a cheap DAC for an iPhone and its about time there was one. So I take it this device supports AirPlay and does it support DLNA as well? On 22/04/2015 8:01 AM, Tim Grady wrote: I have something called a veetop sold by amazon that will do what you want for $36 American and even sports an optical output. The manual isn't great and therefor it only got a 3.7 ranking on Amazon. Asside from the audio, you can transmit to your wi-fi or if you are traveling in a car directly to it from a smart phone or Idevice. It originally sold for something like $89 but is now $36. Because of the louxy manual, Amazon does have an instruction page you can get to by clicking on the veetop link in the description. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 10:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Thanks for that, I'll follow this one up as I'm looking for something that supports DLNA, my Denon AVR2113 and other devices support DLNA but I'm looking for a Stand-Alone device similar to the Airport Express so I can hook that up to other devices with a line-in. I did know of other solutions but wanted to keep the thing simple and cost affective as the person who started the discussion was on a budget. Arcam for example have a complete AirPlay DAC solution which replaces the Airport Express, its $800 though - I'm sure its worth every penny knowing the quality of Arcam gear -. Only my musings of course but - when it comes to audio quality - I think I'd rather put my faith in company's with a reputation for audio quality such as Arcam rather than those that don't have a reputation for audio quality such as Dlink but - having said all that - I appreciate that we're all on a limited budget and have to do the best we can do with what we can afford. On 21/04/2015 12:37 AM, brianolesen wrote: Hi, Actually there are other great solutions as well. DLink has a very cool one. DCH-M225 It supports a wider span of protocols. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 19. april 2015 20:07 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi the output jack of the Airport Express is a line-out jack, the jack is a 3.5MM jack which can either be used for analogue or digital line-out. On 20/04/2015 4:01 AM, André van Deventer wrote: Dane Can you please explain. If I want to invest in this I would like to know as much as possible. Also, do you know whether the 3.5 mm jack is a high impedence output as for connection to stereo systems or a low impedence output as for use with headphones? My system does not have digital inputs and I do not have the funds to invest in this at this stage. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 19 April 2015 07:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi Come again? Who said anything about using iTunesw, there are other options that can be used. On 20/04/2015 3:22 AM, Fanus wrote: Hello I think Andre's problem is that he does not want to use iTunes to stream. I too have the Express and unlike many folks I like iTunes. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 7:08 PM Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi This can be made so very simple, buy an Apple Airport Express plug it into the Line-in of your Hi-Fi in the other room and stream to your hearts content. If your Hi-Fi has a digital input then you can make full use of this by using the digital output of the Airport Express. You can also put the Airport Express to good use as an extra Wireless Access Point, Wireless Extender etc. I think the Airport Express is only $50 now, about the same cost as a good RCA lead and yep, I
Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi
This arrived about 10 minutes ago, took me all of 2 minutes to get the device connected to my Home Network but I knew that would be the case. Small ain't it, its far smaller than the Airport Express and plugs directly into a wall outlet like an AC Plugpack so I'm going to have to find a slightly longer Patch Cord than I had prepared for the arrival of the D-Link. Audio is about what I'd expect from a $50 device and I'm not complaining, thanks for sharing this with the list as its a cheap and clever way to convert your spare sterio or whatever into a DLNA/AirPlay compatible receiver. On 21/04/2015 12:37 AM, brianolesen wrote: Hi, Actually there are other great solutions as well. DLink has a very cool one. DCH-M225 It supports a wider span of protocols. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 19. april 2015 20:07 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi the output jack of the Airport Express is a line-out jack, the jack is a 3.5MM jack which can either be used for analogue or digital line-out. On 20/04/2015 4:01 AM, André van Deventer wrote: Dane Can you please explain. If I want to invest in this I would like to know as much as possible. Also, do you know whether the 3.5 mm jack is a high impedence output as for connection to stereo systems or a low impedence output as for use with headphones? My system does not have digital inputs and I do not have the funds to invest in this at this stage. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 19 April 2015 07:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi Come again? Who said anything about using iTunesw, there are other options that can be used. On 20/04/2015 3:22 AM, Fanus wrote: Hello I think Andre's problem is that he does not want to use iTunes to stream. I too have the Express and unlike many folks I like iTunes. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 7:08 PM Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi This can be made so very simple, buy an Apple Airport Express plug it into the Line-in of your Hi-Fi in the other room and stream to your hearts content. If your Hi-Fi has a digital input then you can make full use of this by using the digital output of the Airport Express. You can also put the Airport Express to good use as an extra Wireless Access Point, Wireless Extender etc. I think the Airport Express is only $50 now, about the same cost as a good RCA lead and yep, I wouldn't like to risk running a long RCA lead, the possability of more interference and loss of quality is certainly there. I don't want to brag but streaming around my house is my passion so yeah, I like to think I know one or two things about streaming or getting audio/video from one location to another smile. On 20/04/2015 2:46 AM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Am moving to a new flat and have to sort out my sound stuff now. I play all my music through the computer now. My hifi system will be standing in one room and my computer in another one. So I need to get the sound from one to the other. I have the following options: 1.Using the output of a digital to audio converter and lay down an RCA to RCA cable of quite a few meters from one room to the other. This might be the cheapest way. But with such a long cable you will start to find interference as these cables are not supposed to be so long. And you do also get some sound reduction. 2.Using some kind of LAN device. I do not know if such a thing exist at all – a device with which you can stream music ythrough LAN that has an analog output. It would also necessitate the laying of long cables which could also be a problem. 3.Then there is the option I may want to examine. My question is whether with the technology available today it is possible to stream music in lossless format through a WIFI connection. I would like to do this using my media player of choice which is Foobar 2000 at present. I don’t want to use Itunes as I find it cumbersome and limited. Any suggestions about which way to go? -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth
Hallo Andre I hear what you say. I do have an Bt transmitter and receiver but I do find that there is a loss in quality, especially when the two devices are more than five meters apart. In the same room, no problem but even in adjacent rooms with a brick wall between, I can hear a bit of drop in quality, however I use this for casual background music and then it is not a problem. I must admit that my bt devices are cheap stuff. The price of each was less than R400.00, so maybe there are more expensive bt devices. The problem is that I could not find any of these in SA, so fortunately my son was in Germany last year and he could purchase the devices there. Interestingly enough, the receiver is a German product, speedlink, and although it was so cheap, it has built-in speech tellling me when it switches on and of and also telling when it is paring. Reggards Fanus Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:10 AM Subject: lossless streaming via bluetooth Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer's speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop's input is connected to my hifi's output also. So I need to find a way for my computer's speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre
Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth
You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer’s speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop’s input is connected to my hifi’s output also. So I need to find a way for my computer’s speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi
Replying to my own email smile I forgot to mention that Airfoil Speakers is also available for Android though I think the name is different, if you looking for the App on iTunes and in the Google Play Store respectively look for Airfoil Speakers Touch. On 22/04/2015 6:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Yep, use an App called Airfoil Speakers. On 22/04/2015 4:02 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Another angle on this. If you can stream music to your computer from your iphone through the airport express, can you do it the other way round, i.e. stream music from your to your iphone? Just curious. André -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 12:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Nice, I'll have to see where I can find one, as far as I know Amazon don't ship electronic goods to Australia. On 22/04/2015 8:23 AM, Tim Grady wrote: Sure does. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:16 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Now that's nice! a cheap DAC for an iPhone and its about time there was one. So I take it this device supports AirPlay and does it support DLNA as well? On 22/04/2015 8:01 AM, Tim Grady wrote: I have something called a veetop sold by amazon that will do what you want for $36 American and even sports an optical output. The manual isn't great and therefor it only got a 3.7 ranking on Amazon. Asside from the audio, you can transmit to your wi-fi or if you are traveling in a car directly to it from a smart phone or Idevice. It originally sold for something like $89 but is now $36. Because of the louxy manual, Amazon does have an instruction page you can get to by clicking on the veetop link in the description. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 10:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Thanks for that, I'll follow this one up as I'm looking for something that supports DLNA, my Denon AVR2113 and other devices support DLNA but I'm looking for a Stand-Alone device similar to the Airport Express so I can hook that up to other devices with a line-in. I did know of other solutions but wanted to keep the thing simple and cost affective as the person who started the discussion was on a budget. Arcam for example have a complete AirPlay DAC solution which replaces the Airport Express, its $800 though - I'm sure its worth every penny knowing the quality of Arcam gear -. Only my musings of course but - when it comes to audio quality - I think I'd rather put my faith in company's with a reputation for audio quality such as Arcam rather than those that don't have a reputation for audio quality such as Dlink but - having said all that - I appreciate that we're all on a limited budget and have to do the best we can do with what we can afford. On 21/04/2015 12:37 AM, brianolesen wrote: Hi, Actually there are other great solutions as well. DLink has a very cool one. DCH-M225 It supports a wider span of protocols. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 19. april 2015 20:07 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi the output jack of the Airport Express is a line-out jack, the jack is a 3.5MM jack which can either be used for analogue or digital line-out. On 20/04/2015 4:01 AM, André van Deventer wrote: Dane Can you please explain. If I want to invest in this I would like to know as much as possible. Also, do you know whether the 3.5 mm jack is a high impedence output as for connection to stereo systems or a low impedence output as for use with headphones? My system does not have digital inputs and I do not have the funds to invest in this at this stage. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 19 April 2015 07:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi Come again? Who said anything about using iTunesw, there are other options that can be used. On 20/04/2015 3:22 AM, Fanus wrote: Hello I think Andre's problem is that he does not want to use iTunes to stream. I too have the Express and unlike many folks I like iTunes. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 7:08 PM Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi This can be made so very simple, buy an Apple Airport Express plug it into the Line-in of your Hi-Fi in the other room and stream to
Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth
Hello Dane and list Well, let me disclose my ignorance: what is meant by lossless? Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer’s speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop’s input is connected to my hifi’s output also. So I need to find a way for my computer’s speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth
To put it bluntly, think of Lossless Streaming as if you had two devices each connected by a good quality physical audio/video cable or cables. On 22/04/2015 6:28 PM, Fanus wrote: Hello Dane and list Well, let me disclose my ignorance: what is meant by lossless? Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer’s speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop’s input is connected to my hifi’s output also. So I need to find a way for my computer’s speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi
Hello Andre Not with the Express because it does not have an input port. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:02 AM Subject: RE: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Another angle on this. If you can stream music to your computer from your iphone through the airport express, can you do it the other way round, i.e. stream music from your to your iphone? Just curious. André -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 12:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Nice, I'll have to see where I can find one, as far as I know Amazon don't ship electronic goods to Australia. On 22/04/2015 8:23 AM, Tim Grady wrote: Sure does. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:16 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Now that's nice! a cheap DAC for an iPhone and its about time there was one. So I take it this device supports AirPlay and does it support DLNA as well? On 22/04/2015 8:01 AM, Tim Grady wrote: I have something called a veetop sold by amazon that will do what you want for $36 American and even sports an optical output. The manual isn't great and therefor it only got a 3.7 ranking on Amazon. Asside from the audio, you can transmit to your wi-fi or if you are traveling in a car directly to it from a smart phone or Idevice. It originally sold for something like $89 but is now $36. Because of the louxy manual, Amazon does have an instruction page you can get to by clicking on the veetop link in the description. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 10:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Thanks for that, I'll follow this one up as I'm looking for something that supports DLNA, my Denon AVR2113 and other devices support DLNA but I'm looking for a Stand-Alone device similar to the Airport Express so I can hook that up to other devices with a line-in. I did know of other solutions but wanted to keep the thing simple and cost affective as the person who started the discussion was on a budget. Arcam for example have a complete AirPlay DAC solution which replaces the Airport Express, its $800 though - I'm sure its worth every penny knowing the quality of Arcam gear -. Only my musings of course but - when it comes to audio quality - I think I'd rather put my faith in company's with a reputation for audio quality such as Arcam rather than those that don't have a reputation for audio quality such as Dlink but - having said all that - I appreciate that we're all on a limited budget and have to do the best we can do with what we can afford. On 21/04/2015 12:37 AM, brianolesen wrote: Hi, Actually there are other great solutions as well. DLink has a very cool one. DCH-M225 It supports a wider span of protocols. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 19. april 2015 20:07 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi the output jack of the Airport Express is a line-out jack, the jack is a 3.5MM jack which can either be used for analogue or digital line-out. On 20/04/2015 4:01 AM, André van Deventer wrote: Dane Can you please explain. If I want to invest in this I would like to know as much as possible. Also, do you know whether the 3.5 mm jack is a high impedence output as for connection to stereo systems or a low impedence output as for use with headphones? My system does not have digital inputs and I do not have the funds to invest in this at this stage. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 19 April 2015 07:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi Come again? Who said anything about using iTunesw, there are other options that can be used. On 20/04/2015 3:22 AM, Fanus wrote: Hello I think Andre's problem is that he does not want to use iTunes to stream. I too have the Express and unlike many folks I like iTunes. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 7:08 PM Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi This can be made so very simple, buy an Apple Airport Express plug it into the Line-in of your Hi-Fi in the other room and stream to your hearts content. If your Hi-Fi has a digital input then you can make full use of this by using the
Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth
Hallo Andre Unfortunately the express keeps the voiceover speech on the phone or if you transmit from PC the jrfw speech stays on the pc. Bluetooth does transmit the speech but as I stated at least with cheap bt devices there is a slight reduction in quality. - Original Message - From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:25 AM Subject: RE: lossless streaming via bluetooth Fanus Thanx man My problem is that the hifi is connected to my induction loop through I also have to listen to the computer speech. It seems that the airport express will not allow me to transmit the computer speech as well as the music through wifi? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Fanus Sent: 22 April 2015 09:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth Hallo Andre I hear what you say. I do have an Bt transmitter and receiver but I do find that there is a loss in quality, especially when the two devices are more than five meters apart. In the same room, no problem but even in adjacent rooms with a brick wall between, I can hear a bit of drop in quality, however I use this for casual background music and then it is not a problem. I must admit that my bt devices are cheap stuff. The price of each was less than R400.00, so maybe there are more expensive bt devices. The problem is that I could not find any of these in SA, so fortunately my son was in Germany last year and he could purchase the devices there. Interestingly enough, the receiver is a German product, speedlink, and although it was so cheap, it has built-in speech tellling me when it switches on and of and also telling when it is paring. Reggards Fanus Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:10 AM Subject: lossless streaming via bluetooth Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer's speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop's input is connected to my hifi's output also. So I need to find a way for my computer's speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre
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With Airfoile you should be able to do this actually but the problem then would be that there would be a delay, AirPlay, DLNA - or even Bluetooth - was never really designed with Screen Reading Software in mind. On 22/04/2015 5:25 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Fanus Thanx man My problem is that the hifi is connected to my induction loop through I also have to listen to the computer speech. It seems that the airport express will not allow me to transmit the computer speech as well as the music through wifi? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Fanus Sent: 22 April 2015 09:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth Hallo Andre I hear what you say. I do have an Bt transmitter and receiver but I do find that there is a loss in quality, especially when the two devices are more than five meters apart. In the same room, no problem but even in adjacent rooms with a brick wall between, I can hear a bit of drop in quality, however I use this for casual background music and then it is not a problem. I must admit that my bt devices are cheap stuff. The price of each was less than R400.00, so maybe there are more expensive bt devices. The problem is that I could not find any of these in SA, so fortunately my son was in Germany last year and he could purchase the devices there. Interestingly enough, the receiver is a German product, speedlink, and although it was so cheap, it has built-in speech tellling me when it switches on and of and also telling when it is paring. Reggards Fanus Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:10 AM Subject: lossless streaming via bluetooth Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer's speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop's input is connected to my hifi's output also. So I need to find a way for my computer's speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Fanus Thanx man My problem is that the hifi is connected to my induction loop through I also have to listen to the computer speech. It seems that the airport express will not allow me to transmit the computer speech as well as the music through wifi? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Fanus Sent: 22 April 2015 09:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth Hallo Andre I hear what you say. I do have an Bt transmitter and receiver but I do find that there is a loss in quality, especially when the two devices are more than five meters apart. In the same room, no problem but even in adjacent rooms with a brick wall between, I can hear a bit of drop in quality, however I use this for casual background music and then it is not a problem. I must admit that my bt devices are cheap stuff. The price of each was less than R400.00, so maybe there are more expensive bt devices. The problem is that I could not find any of these in SA, so fortunately my son was in Germany last year and he could purchase the devices there. Interestingly enough, the receiver is a German product, speedlink, and although it was so cheap, it has built-in speech tellling me when it switches on and of and also telling when it is paring. Reggards Fanus Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:10 AM Subject: lossless streaming via bluetooth Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer's speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop's input is connected to my hifi's output also. So I need to find a way for my computer's speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre
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Yep, use an App called Airfoil Speakers. On 22/04/2015 4:02 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Another angle on this. If you can stream music to your computer from your iphone through the airport express, can you do it the other way round, i.e. stream music from your to your iphone? Just curious. André -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 12:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Nice, I'll have to see where I can find one, as far as I know Amazon don't ship electronic goods to Australia. On 22/04/2015 8:23 AM, Tim Grady wrote: Sure does. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:16 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Now that's nice! a cheap DAC for an iPhone and its about time there was one. So I take it this device supports AirPlay and does it support DLNA as well? On 22/04/2015 8:01 AM, Tim Grady wrote: I have something called a veetop sold by amazon that will do what you want for $36 American and even sports an optical output. The manual isn't great and therefor it only got a 3.7 ranking on Amazon. Asside from the audio, you can transmit to your wi-fi or if you are traveling in a car directly to it from a smart phone or Idevice. It originally sold for something like $89 but is now $36. Because of the louxy manual, Amazon does have an instruction page you can get to by clicking on the veetop link in the description. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 10:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: lossless music streaming by wifi Thanks for that, I'll follow this one up as I'm looking for something that supports DLNA, my Denon AVR2113 and other devices support DLNA but I'm looking for a Stand-Alone device similar to the Airport Express so I can hook that up to other devices with a line-in. I did know of other solutions but wanted to keep the thing simple and cost affective as the person who started the discussion was on a budget. Arcam for example have a complete AirPlay DAC solution which replaces the Airport Express, its $800 though - I'm sure its worth every penny knowing the quality of Arcam gear -. Only my musings of course but - when it comes to audio quality - I think I'd rather put my faith in company's with a reputation for audio quality such as Arcam rather than those that don't have a reputation for audio quality such as Dlink but - having said all that - I appreciate that we're all on a limited budget and have to do the best we can do with what we can afford. On 21/04/2015 12:37 AM, brianolesen wrote: Hi, Actually there are other great solutions as well. DLink has a very cool one. DCH-M225 It supports a wider span of protocols. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 19. april 2015 20:07 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi the output jack of the Airport Express is a line-out jack, the jack is a 3.5MM jack which can either be used for analogue or digital line-out. On 20/04/2015 4:01 AM, André van Deventer wrote: Dane Can you please explain. If I want to invest in this I would like to know as much as possible. Also, do you know whether the 3.5 mm jack is a high impedence output as for connection to stereo systems or a low impedence output as for use with headphones? My system does not have digital inputs and I do not have the funds to invest in this at this stage. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 19 April 2015 07:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi Come again? Who said anything about using iTunesw, there are other options that can be used. On 20/04/2015 3:22 AM, Fanus wrote: Hello I think Andre's problem is that he does not want to use iTunes to stream. I too have the Express and unlike many folks I like iTunes. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 7:08 PM Subject: Re: lossless music streaming by wifi This can be made so very simple, buy an Apple Airport Express plug it into the Line-in of your Hi-Fi in the other room and stream to your hearts content. If your Hi-Fi has a digital input then you can make full use of this by using the digital output of the Airport Express. You can also put the Airport Express to good use as an extra Wireless Access Point, Wireless Extender etc. I think the Airport Express is only $50 now, about the same cost as a good
Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth
So, if I plug one end of a cable into my iPhone's headphone sock and the other end into my hifi's aux input, that will be lossless and when I stream with my Express it will be digital? is the difference then analog versus digital? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:31 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth To put it bluntly, think of Lossless Streaming as if you had two devices each connected by a good quality physical audio/video cable or cables. On 22/04/2015 6:28 PM, Fanus wrote: Hello Dane and list Well, let me disclose my ignorance: what is meant by lossless? Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer’s speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop’s input is connected to my hifi’s output also. So I need to find a way for my computer’s speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Yes, the link between devices is a lossless digital one. Problem is that the signal will be somewhat degraded by the DAC - Digital To Analoge Converter - in the iPhone but we've being a little picky here and there's probably not all that much you can do about it unless you're prepared to spend the extra money on an external DAC unit for your iPhone that plugs into the dock connector, they're not all that expensive, I bought one for my iPhone some time ago, cost $30. On the other hand the Samsung Note4 Android phone have better quality DAC'S so you can fully appreciate the sound when you're streaming to the phone using AirPlay or DLNA, or just playing files from the phone's memory or an SD card etc. On 22/04/2015 8:16 PM, Fanus wrote: So, if I plug one end of a cable into my iPhone's headphone sock and the other end into my hifi's aux input, that will be lossless and when I stream with my Express it will be digital? is the difference then analog versus digital? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:31 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth To put it bluntly, think of Lossless Streaming as if you had two devices each connected by a good quality physical audio/video cable or cables. On 22/04/2015 6:28 PM, Fanus wrote: Hello Dane and list Well, let me disclose my ignorance: what is meant by lossless? Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer’s speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop’s input is connected to my hifi’s output also. So I need to find a way for my computer’s speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Won't work in my situation unfortunately. I have to use braille quite a lot. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 11:31 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth Either that or you could use your iPhone or Android device, that way you have the voice wherever you go with you and your streaming going to your stereo system independent of the speech. On 22/04/2015 7:06 PM, André van Deventer wrote: I'm beginning to think that the only way will be to route a cable between the two rooms. It does seem that my need to also stream the sound of the screen reader may preclude any other way!! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 10:16 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computers speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loops input is connected to my hifis output also. So I need to find a way for my computers speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Fanus As I understand the thing wifi is lossless streaming. With Bluetooth the data has to be compressed in order to allow it to be streamed across Bluetooth. This means that you lose sound quality as you have already mentioned you experienced. This is not the case with wifi as I understand it. For example: if you take a song in .wav format which is lossless and the same song in mp3 format which is in compressed form, you will see that the file size differs substantially. The less compressed it is the larger the size. The same thing during transmission. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Fanus Sent: 22 April 2015 12:17 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth So, if I plug one end of a cable into my iPhone's headphone sock and the other end into my hifi's aux input, that will be lossless and when I stream with my Express it will be digital? is the difference then analog versus digital? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:31 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth To put it bluntly, think of Lossless Streaming as if you had two devices each connected by a good quality physical audio/video cable or cables. On 22/04/2015 6:28 PM, Fanus wrote: Hello Dane and list Well, let me disclose my ignorance: what is meant by lossless? Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computers speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loops input is connected to my hifis output also. So I need to find a way for my computers speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Using a headphone out socket on any device will also seriously degrade the sound quality as the impedence between the input of the amplifier and the headphone output differs greatly. The inputs on an amplifier are high impedence while the headphone socket has a much lower output which causes an impedence mismatch. Also you are limited by the audio quality of the specific headphone amplifier. The digital to audio converter is not the only factor here. That is why you will always get better quality with a proper high impedence line out output than using a headphone socket. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 12:30 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth Yes, the link between devices is a lossless digital one. Problem is that the signal will be somewhat degraded by the DAC - Digital To Analoge Converter - in the iPhone but we've being a little picky here and there's probably not all that much you can do about it unless you're prepared to spend the extra money on an external DAC unit for your iPhone that plugs into the dock connector, they're not all that expensive, I bought one for my iPhone some time ago, cost $30. On the other hand the Samsung Note4 Android phone have better quality DAC'S so you can fully appreciate the sound when you're streaming to the phone using AirPlay or DLNA, or just playing files from the phone's memory or an SD card etc. On 22/04/2015 8:16 PM, Fanus wrote: So, if I plug one end of a cable into my iPhone's headphone sock and the other end into my hifi's aux input, that will be lossless and when I stream with my Express it will be digital? is the difference then analog versus digital? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:31 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth To put it bluntly, think of Lossless Streaming as if you had two devices each connected by a good quality physical audio/video cable or cables. On 22/04/2015 6:28 PM, Fanus wrote: Hello Dane and list Well, let me disclose my ignorance: what is meant by lossless? Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computers speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loops input is connected to my hifis output also. So I need to find a way for my computers speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Exactly and that's where the external DAC comes into its own, on the one I have you can make adjustments to match the headphones or the amp you're using. On 22/04/2015 8:57 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Using a headphone out socket on any device will also seriously degrade the sound quality as the impedence between the input of the amplifier and the headphone output differs greatly. The inputs on an amplifier are high impedence while the headphone socket has a much lower output which causes an impedence mismatch. Also you are limited by the audio quality of the specific headphone amplifier. The digital to audio converter is not the only factor here. That is why you will always get better quality with a proper high impedence line out output than using a headphone socket. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 12:30 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth Yes, the link between devices is a lossless digital one. Problem is that the signal will be somewhat degraded by the DAC - Digital To Analoge Converter - in the iPhone but we've being a little picky here and there's probably not all that much you can do about it unless you're prepared to spend the extra money on an external DAC unit for your iPhone that plugs into the dock connector, they're not all that expensive, I bought one for my iPhone some time ago, cost $30. On the other hand the Samsung Note4 Android phone have better quality DAC'S so you can fully appreciate the sound when you're streaming to the phone using AirPlay or DLNA, or just playing files from the phone's memory or an SD card etc. On 22/04/2015 8:16 PM, Fanus wrote: So, if I plug one end of a cable into my iPhone's headphone sock and the other end into my hifi's aux input, that will be lossless and when I stream with my Express it will be digital? is the difference then analog versus digital? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:31 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth To put it bluntly, think of Lossless Streaming as if you had two devices each connected by a good quality physical audio/video cable or cables. On 22/04/2015 6:28 PM, Fanus wrote: Hello Dane and list Well, let me disclose my ignorance: what is meant by lossless? Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer’s speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop’s input is connected to my hifi’s output also. So I need to find a way for my computer’s speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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That's correct yes so - to to add to the complexity of the whole thing - if you're playing a MP3 file and you stream it over most Bluetooth systems then not only are you streaming data which already has a loss of quality due to compression, you're also compressing it again streaming to the Bluetooth Device thus losing more quality. There is a method of Lossless Bluetooth transfer available in the APTX Bluetooth profile but I've seen very vew devices able to support this let alone receivers at this timeand IOS devices do not support it and won't as they don't have the necessary hardware to. the Samsung devices such as the Note4 and S5 - I assume too the S6 - support the streaming of Bluetooth APTX and the ony speaker I know that supports reception of it at this time is the Bowers And Wilkins T7, I'll do some research on this as I'm sure there are more devices available. On 22/04/2015 8:51 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Fanus As I understand the thing wifi is lossless streaming. With Bluetooth the data has to be compressed in order to allow it to be streamed across Bluetooth. This means that you lose sound quality as you have already mentioned you experienced. This is not the case with wifi as I understand it. For example: if you take a song in .wav format which is lossless and the same song in mp3 format which is in compressed form, you will see that the file size differs substantially. The less compressed it is the larger the size. The same thing during transmission. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Fanus Sent: 22 April 2015 12:17 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth So, if I plug one end of a cable into my iPhone's headphone sock and the other end into my hifi's aux input, that will be lossless and when I stream with my Express it will be digital? is the difference then analog versus digital? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:31 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth To put it bluntly, think of Lossless Streaming as if you had two devices each connected by a good quality physical audio/video cable or cables. On 22/04/2015 6:28 PM, Fanus wrote: Hello Dane and list Well, let me disclose my ignorance: what is meant by lossless? Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer’s speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop’s input is connected to my hifi’s output also. So I need to find a way for my computer’s speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
RE: lossless streaming via bluetooth
I'm beginning to think that the only way will be to route a cable between the two rooms. It does seem that my need to also stream the sound of the screen reader may preclude any other way!! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 10:16 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computers speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loops input is connected to my hifis output also. So I need to find a way for my computers speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Either that or you could use your iPhone or Android device, that way you have the voice wherever you go with you and your streaming going to your stereo system independent of the speech. On 22/04/2015 7:06 PM, André van Deventer wrote: I'm beginning to think that the only way will be to route a cable between the two rooms. It does seem that my need to also stream the sound of the screen reader may preclude any other way!! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 22 April 2015 10:16 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: lossless streaming via bluetooth You have to get Bluetooth adapters and receivers that are capable of Lossless Bluetooth streaming and most are not. Its pretty hit and miss when you're talking about streaming via Bluetooth when the devices are in different rooms. And finally, the iPhone is not capable of streaming Lossless Bluetooth, a lot of the newer Android phones are capable of doing this and they include the Samsung Note4, S6 etc, that's why a lot of mobile phones use either DLNA or AirPlay depending on your choice of phone, the streaming is lossless and it can be done over longer distances though granted usually you have to have a Wi-Fi network as your foundation when doing this.. On 22/04/2015 4:10 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Hi all Changed the subject line but to some extent it is still related to the lossless streaming of music. Is it at all viable to use Bluetooth to stream lossless music from two rooms situated next to each other. This might also be an option for me to use. Unfortuantely my situation is a bit more complicated than usual. I have an induction loop system in my flat through my computer’s speech also has to go in order for me to hear it.The loop’s input is connected to my hifi’s output also. So I need to find a way for my computer’s speech also to go to the next room!! So Wifi may not be the way to go? I suppose FM transmission is not very good at this stage? That is why I was also thinking of using Bluetooth? Andre -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
