request for developement of updated jaws scripts for Otsjuke 1.75
Hi Listers, Just a little note. For those who have been using Otsjuke scripts for jaws, developed by the snowman might have realised that with the new Otsjuke 1.75, due to some new enhancements, some of the scripts capabilities are broken. Also, there are some new features that require some upgrade to the scripts. The Snowman is seeking for those who are interested for an upgrade to the scripts to send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to express your interest in development of the scripts. So, if you have always wanted to get the full potential of the new Otsjuke 1.75 with the powerful scripts written by Snowman, do send in your emails to him so that he could start to work on the scripts soon. Thanks for your time. Regards, Edwin. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Audio on Windows Vista
Hi All, I recently tried playing with Windows Vista and thought of asking some audio related questions as I am still in the midst of exploring. I got to say that, if vista matures a little further as time progresses, its worthwhile the upgrade just for the audio part. 1 very big bonus is that we could now control indivisual volume controls through the mixer. For example, if we are listening to real player streams, on xp systems, when u tune down the volume, it utilise the wav volume and this would affect our screen readers too. However, on vista, u could indivisually set the current active application's volume level. In this case, u could have different levels for your screen reader and real player. This is especially benificial for jaws as eloquence of jaws on xp system uses the main level of the volume control of your soundcard. But, I am just a bit puzzled. If such a powerful volume mixer exists in vista, why there isn't a volume control icon on the startup group like in xp? I know 1 could just go to control panel and go in to the sounds item to select our sources and go in to the properties page to set them, however, i find slightly of a hassel to do that. Of-course I could just create a shortcut of the sndvol32.exe at the start menu. Any intake from listers on this? Next, though not completely audio related, but someword related. I tried installing Sound Forge 8.0D in vista. I got a msg that SF needs .frame network 1.1. I tried installing but got some error message and my .dot frame network couldn't be installed. Does listers know why is this so and is there a work around? Finally, its regarding vista's windows media centre. I understand that we could setup our tv-tuner card to work with WMC and use it to set schedules and recordings etc and just use it without installing any related pvr softwares, as in xp. Currently, I have a cable set top box attached to my card. When I tried configuring it and told it that my card is attached to a external set top box, it told me that I need a microsoft remote control or something of that sort. I am a bit puzzled on this. How exactly does this work? Is WMC any accessible at all? Have I done anything wrong? Thanks all and hope to get any relevant input from listers who have experience with vista and its audio. Thanks. Regards, Edwin. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
backing up purchase drm licence using wm11
Hi Listers, As he subjects says, how could 1 do a backup of drm licences to a file or some way to get it backuped so that we could in future restore back if needed such as reformating our system etc? My friend tried using wm11 but don't seem to get anyway out. Thanks. Regards, Edwin. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Audio on Windows Vista
Hi Larry, Yes, i totally agree with what you said. That's why, as I have mentioned, vista shouldn't be a primary and only os that 1 should have. I am just having it as a secondary operating system. It does pay of quite a bit to upgrade to a newer os eh? Smile. Regards, Edwin. - Original Message - From: "Larry N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Audio on Windows Vista > Hi Edwin. As far as I know, Sound Forge 8.0 cannot be installed on Vista. > You would have to upgrade to Sound Forge 9.0 to use the program on Vista. > > One of my Vista concerns is that it will not run some programs that were > designed for XP. So, yes you do indeed have advantages with new Vista > audio > alternatives, but you may also find that a necessary element of the > upgrade > is to upgrade software as well. And in some cases, there could be software > packages that the developer has abandoned. > > While these audio aspects are no reason to reject Vista, it seems to me > that > they must be considered when deciding whether or not to upgrade to Vista. > > Just my two cents for whatever it's worth. > > Larry > - Original Message - > From: "Edwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 7:48 PM > Subject: Audio on Windows Vista > > >> Hi All, >> >> I recently tried playing with Windows Vista and thought of asking some >> audio >> related questions as I am still in the midst of exploring. I got to say >> that, if vista matures a little further as time progresses, its >> worthwhile >> the upgrade just for the audio part. 1 very big bonus is that we could >> now >> control indivisual volume controls through the mixer. For example, if we >> are >> listening to real player streams, on xp systems, when u tune down the >> volume, it utilise the wav volume and this would affect our screen >> readers >> too. However, on vista, u could indivisually set the current active >> application's volume level. In this case, u could have different levels >> for >> your screen reader and real player. This is especially benificial for >> jaws >> as eloquence of jaws on xp system uses the main level of the volume >> control >> of your soundcard. But, I am just a bit puzzled. If such a powerful >> volume >> mixer exists in vista, why there isn't a volume control icon on the >> startup >> group like in xp? I know 1 could just go to control panel and go in to >> the >> sounds item to select our sources and go in to the properties page to set >> them, however, i find slightly of a hassel to do that. Of-course I could >> just create a shortcut of the sndvol32.exe at the start menu. Any intake >> from listers on this? >> >> Next, though not completely audio related, but someword related. I tried >> installing Sound Forge 8.0D in vista. I got a msg that SF needs .frame >> network 1.1. I tried installing but got some error message and my .dot >> frame >> network couldn't be installed. Does listers know why is this so and is >> there >> a work around? >> >> Finally, its regarding vista's windows media centre. I understand that we >> could setup our tv-tuner card to work with WMC and use it to set >> schedules >> and recordings etc and just use it without installing any related pvr >> softwares, as in xp. Currently, I have a cable set top box attached to my >> card. When I tried configuring it and told it that my card is attached to >> a >> external set top box, it told me that I need a microsoft remote control >> or >> something of that sort. I am a bit puzzled on this. How exactly does this >> work? Is WMC any accessible at all? Have I done anything wrong? >> >> Thanks all and hope to get any relevant input from listers who have >> experience with vista and its audio. Thanks. >> >> Regards, >> Edwin. >> >> >> >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MP3DirectCut Version 2.07 is now Available
Hi Steve and all, Have been reading about this program but didn't take any plunge to go download. Finally, have just downloaded it. Could Steve or any1 of u who have experience using this program give a little tutorial on how to use it? Is it accessible with screen readers? How could 1 do editting with this program? Thanks. Regards, Edwin. - Original Message - From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: MP3DirectCut Version 2.07 is now Available > MP3DirectCut version 2.07 is now available and one place where you > can download it from is at http://mpesch3.de1.cc. Here are the > changes in this version: > > Fixed append paste bug > Fixed missing language file bug > Menu item for new program window > Paste to cursor position on no selection > Minor corrections > > > Regards Steve > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: steve1963 > MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for an accessible professional soundcard
Hi All, It has been some time since I was subscribed to this list. From the olden days of Yahoogroups and now to its own domain. Cool! Time really flies. Hope all of you are fine. Wonder who's the moderator of this list? Smile. Ok, now to my question. I am seriously thinking of investing a more like professional soundcard such as those made by m-audio etc. I am now actually having a M-audio firewire 410. Unfortunately, its control panel is extremely in-accessible. I have been leaving with it for quite some time and am puzzled about it so thought of changing something like this model but yet could give me equivalent quality or even better. Any good recomendations? I did ponder about creative's x5 range of cards but am afraid of them due to all my previous experiences with them. Are they any better now? Smile. I do hope those who have very good knowledge of soundcards could respond to my enquiry soon. Thanks once again for your help. Have a wonderful x'mas. Regards, Edwin. Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for an accessible professional soundcard
Hi Keith, Well, strange enough, the delta card's panel are different from the firewire range of cards, though they are from the same company. Grin! I wish to look for something external that has what the firewire offers and not having to be constrained by in-accessibility. Any suggestions from listers? Thanks. Edwin. - Original Message - From: "Keith Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible professional soundcard > Hi and welcome back. At one time I heard that the Delta pro sound card > had > an accessible control panel however I don't know if there being made these > days? > > Cheers...Keith > > - Original Message - > From: "Edwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:16 PM > Subject: Looking for an accessible professional soundcard > > > Hi All, > > It has been some time since I was subscribed to this list. From the olden > days of Yahoogroups and now to its own domain. Cool! Time really flies. > Hope > all of you are fine. Wonder who's the moderator of this list? Smile. > > Ok, now to my question. I am seriously thinking of investing a more like > professional soundcard such as those made by m-audio etc. I am now > actually > having a M-audio firewire 410. Unfortunately, its control panel is > extremely > in-accessible. I have been leaving with it for quite some time and am > puzzled about it so thought of changing something like this model but yet > could give me equivalent quality or even better. Any good recomendations? > I > did ponder about creative's x5 range of cards but am afraid of them due to > all my previous experiences with them. Are they any better now? Smile. > > I do hope those who have very good knowledge of soundcards could respond > to > my enquiry soon. Thanks once again for your help. > > Have a wonderful x'mas. > > Regards, >Edwin. > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I made a big boo-boo!
Hi Uncle Steve, Hope all's well and fine with ya. To answer your question, yes, SF6 does have limitations of opening up wav files for more than 2 gigs. If you want to use SF to open files more than 2 gigs, u got to go for SF9D and above. Hope it helps. Regards, Edwin. - Original Message - From: "Steve Matzura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pc-audio" Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: I made a big boo-boo! >I recorded a wave file, standard ready-for-CD-type wave file > parameters, but I wasn't watching the clock and let it run over 2gb in > size (ran to 2.28gb to be exact). Now, when I want to open it in > Sound Forge Version 7, I get an error that tells me it can't do it. Is > it because the file is too big? Was this fixed in Version 8? Should I > use a file-splitter to cut it down to manageable sized pieces, and if > so, which one? Or will some other editor handle a big file like this > properly, and if so, which one? > > Thanks in advance. > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I made a big boo-boo!
U asked: > What about a tool like MP3 Direct Cut but for wave files? Is there > such a thing? > Sorry uncle steve, not that i know of. Perhaps listers might share some light on it if there is indeed 1? Edwin. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning MPG files to a DVD
Hi, Go get video redo tv suite from www.videoredo.com. Its accessible, allows you to edit and burn mpg files to dvd. Thanks. Regards, Edwin. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Burning MPG files to a DVD > Hi everyone! > > Can someone tell me if there's an easy way to burn MPG video files to > a DVD so it can be played on a standard DVD player? What additional > tools may I need? > > > > * > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > PHONE: +613 8732 9237 > Fax: +613 9743 7954 > mobile: +61 418 773 5532 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: callto:grtdane12 > ** > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Mosen List Founder > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: adobe audition
Hi, Could I ask, which adobe audition version are you using and when you mean accessible, does it mean for all instances like managing multi-tracks and performing related tasks? Thanks. Regards, Edwin. -- From: "DJ DOCTOR P" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:51 PM To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Subject: Re: adobe audition High Joe, Yes it is, I use it at the radio station that I work for too as well. The computer at work, is running Windows XP pro and Jaws 9. I use the software to produce adds to air on the mane station and also the sister station that we have on am. I haven't had any problems with it at all! Hope this helps. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: "joe bollard" To: "pc -audio" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:45 AM Subject: adobe audition hello friends, a quick question, is adobe audition blind friendly, some of my sighted audio friends are using it, it is also being used at the radio station with which i am involved, i might think of purchasing it if i thought it was blind friendly, any help will be really appreciated regards from ireland, joe., To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: adobe audition
Hi dan, could you be so kind to send me those jaws scripts to try it out if its possible? Thanks. Regards, Edwin. -- From: "dan thompson" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:09 AM To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Subject: Re: adobe audition I use adobe audition1.5 and no multi-tracks don't work fo me without using the mouse routing keys and you must pay very very close attetnition where you are. because any distraction can cause to loose your place. I found it to much of a chance of messing up with window-eyes. However, I am going to try with wome new jaws scrips I just got and see what happens. - Original Message - From: "Edwin" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:03 PM Subject: Re: adobe audition Hi, Could I ask, which adobe audition version are you using and when you mean accessible, does it mean for all instances like managing multi-tracks and performing related tasks? Thanks. Regards, Edwin. -- From: "DJ DOCTOR P" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:51 PM To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Subject: Re: adobe audition High Joe, Yes it is, I use it at the radio station that I work for too as well. The computer at work, is running Windows XP pro and Jaws 9. I use the software to produce adds to air on the mane station and also the sister station that we have on am. I haven't had any problems with it at all! Hope this helps. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: "joe bollard" To: "pc -audio" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:45 AM Subject: adobe audition hello friends, a quick question, is adobe audition blind friendly, some of my sighted audio friends are using it, it is also being used at the radio station with which i am involved, i might think of purchasing it if i thought it was blind friendly, any help will be really appreciated regards from ireland, joe., To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Skype not closing in Windows 7
Hi Peter, Pardon me but what I think u meant was putting skype in the system tray while u are sign in right ? and if u need to bring skype back to the foreground, u would just call it from the system tray, just like on windows xp and vista? If so, its fairly simple. just go to the skype options, under advance, tab till u hear, keep skype in the taskbar while I'm signed in. its check by default, just uncheck it, tab to safe, and you are done. hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Edwin. -- From: "Peter Tighe" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:30 AM To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Subject: Skype not closing in Windows 7 Hi, Before I take myself off to the Funny Farm, can anyone confirm that the latest version of Skype 4.2 will not close or exit in Windows 7 either 32bit or 64 bit? Is there any solution? Ireluctantly ran Skype inVista compatibility mode to get around this problem. Thanks, Peter To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Convert .WTV Recorded TV To DVRMS2
Hi there, Actually, the latest version of video re-do tv suite 4 does have support for wtv formats. also, if u are using windows 7, u could just convert wtv formats to dvrms. Thanks. Regards, Edwin. -- From: "Rob" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:05 PM To: ; "'Technology list for the Blind and Vision Impaired'" ; "'PC Audio'" Subject: Convert .WTV Recorded TV To DVRMS2 I am looking for a JAWS friendly program to convert recorded tv from Windows 7 Media Center (.wtv) to DVRMS2 format. I want to use Video Redo TV Suite to remove commercials and perform other edits on the program. Does the latest version of Replay Media Converter include the .WTV format? What other program will perform this conversion? Thanks for your help. Rob To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Iriver with Rockbox
Hi there Dane, 5 years u said? its indeed a long time. actually, rockbox has come quite far now. their latest version is 3.70 and has been rock solid through these years. there is a utility that the team has come up with for u to do all relevant rockbox stuffs which is the rockbox utility which can be downloaded from www.rockbox.org. its not the most accessible software around but with some efficient computer knowledge, its definitely usable. let me know if u need further help and I'll see how much I could assist you. I dare not say I'm extremely efficient, but my last built was version 3.60 so I think I could roughly help u a little if u so need. Thanks. Regards, Edwin. -- From: "Dane Trethowan" Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:11 AM To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Subject: Iriver with Rockbox Hi! Has anyone set one of these up? I did it 5 years ago but I've forgotten all I learnt then , discarded my Iriver for something else and now I have another one so could people with the "know how" please email me? Thanks in Advance. By the way I have an Iriver H320. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Iriver with Rockbox
Hi David, Go to the rockbox web site and download the rockbox utility. everything can be done in that program including creating of speaking menu/voice clips of your files, updating your IRiver firmware to work with rockbox if u haven't done so, installing the latest rockbox software etc. the software is quite complex and its rather difficult to explain over here. however, it should be easy to navigate around if u take some time to explore it. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Edwin. -- From: "david" Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:30 PM To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Subject: Re: Iriver with Rockbox hi mate i as a rockbox and iriver user i would love to update my version of rockbox as well could you assist? please - Original Message - From: "Edwin" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Iriver with Rockbox Hi there Dane, 5 years u said? its indeed a long time. actually, rockbox has come quite far now. their latest version is 3.70 and has been rock solid through these years. there is a utility that the team has come up with for u to do all relevant rockbox stuffs which is the rockbox utility which can be downloaded from www.rockbox.org. its not the most accessible software around but with some efficient computer knowledge, its definitely usable. let me know if u need further help and I'll see how much I could assist you. I dare not say I'm extremely efficient, but my last built was version 3.60 so I think I could roughly help u a little if u so need. Thanks. Regards, Edwin. -- From: "Dane Trethowan" Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:11 AM To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Subject: Iriver with Rockbox Hi! Has anyone set one of these up? I did it 5 years ago but I've forgotten all I learnt then , discarded my Iriver for something else and now I have another one so could people with the "know how" please email me? Thanks in Advance. By the way I have an Iriver H320. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Jawbone Jambox info needed
Hi, for the jambox, at the side of the unit, there is a 3-step toggle switch. at the far bottom is the off position. gently push it till you get a click. that's to turn the unit on. however, while turning on, if you constantly hold on the switch and push to the far top for some time, it will be in pairing mode. If you have already paird with your device, to avoid any confusion, just gently push the button to the on position and release it immediately so as not to toggle to pairing mode. As for the 3 rubbery buttons, the indent circular button is the mode button which allows you to answer calls/check battery status etc and the other 2 are volume controls. Hope it helps. -- Regards, Edwin. From: "Donald L. Roberts" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:00 PM To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Subject: Jawbone Jambox info needed I received a Jawbone Jambox for Christmas and really like the sound for its size. I am however having problems understanding how to use it, not because I think there is something wrong with the unit but rather because I do not understand how to operate it. I listened to Robert Carter's podcoast, but somehow my unit seems to operate differently although I have not attempted to update the firmware yet. Sometimes, when I put the two-position switch on the right end of the Jambox in the up position, the synthesizer tells me that the unit is in pairing mode, but it other times this announcement is not made when the switch is turned on. So please would someone briefly explain the function of each of its four buttons. Thanks. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
mp3 from dvd
I am going to be getting a dvd of a concert. Is there a tutorial somewhere that will tell me how to turn this into MP3 files and which extracter should I use, since I just got a new computer and don't have an extractor program on here yet. I am open to all suggestions. Thanks. Kurt Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
