Re: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld
You mean I really do have to get involved with Media Player? Oh good grief. On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 05:56:09 +1100, you wrote: Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com
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Hi, You can just install a codec pack then it plays flac fine. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 8. november 2014 22:48 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld There are a lot of people out there still using Winamp but the time will come - if it hasn’t come already - when those people are going to run into difficulties. I’ve been playing with WMP for the last few days and I’m quite surprised at the flexibility of the player, in fact I’d go so far as to say its been just about a closely guarded secret smile. Sure, WMP has some annoying problems in my opinion, its not very flexible when it comes to playing Audio formats such as FLAC but for most people I’d imagine this isn’t a problem and in any case, if you’re that concerned about playing Lossless formats then you can use software to convert your FLAC collection to Lossless Windows Media Audio. My favourite player across platforms is VLC which just keeps getting better. On 9 Nov 2014, at 7:19 am, John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks Dane, I think I may have a go at this. I've ignored WMP up to now, but as Winamp is no longer being updated I'm starting to think about other options. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 07 November 2014 18:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from _your_ windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane --- Denne e-mail blev kontrolleret for virusser af Avast antivirussoftware. http://www.avast.com --- Denne e-mail blev kontrolleret for virusser af Avast antivirussoftware. http://www.avast.com
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Yes indeed but the point is we're already seeing support issues with various audio devices and so forth, given that Winamp is not being developed any longer then its not likely those issues are going to be resolved, that's a risk you take when you use any software or product that is no longer being developed or supported. As I've said many times, I just can't quite work out why anyone would go out of their way to use something that's no longer being supported when there are dozens of support alternatives out there which are just ast functional, just as accessible, freely available with more functionality than the Pro version of Winamp ever had, keyboard shortcuts abound etc. On 9/11/2014 8:30 PM, Brian Olesen wrote: Hi, You can just install a codec pack then it plays flac fine. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 8. november 2014 22:48 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld There are a lot of people out there still using Winamp but the time will come - if it hasn’t come already - when those people are going to run into difficulties. I’ve been playing with WMP for the last few days and I’m quite surprised at the flexibility of the player, in fact I’d go so far as to say its been just about a closely guarded secret smile. Sure, WMP has some annoying problems in my opinion, its not very flexible when it comes to playing Audio formats such as FLAC but for most people I’d imagine this isn’t a problem and in any case, if you’re that concerned about playing Lossless formats then you can use software to convert your FLAC collection to Lossless Windows Media Audio. My favourite player across platforms is VLC which just keeps getting better. On 9 Nov 2014, at 7:19 am, John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks Dane, I think I may have a go at this. I've ignored WMP up to now, but as Winamp is no longer being updated I'm starting to think about other options. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 07 November 2014 18:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from _your_ windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane --- Denne e-mail blev kontrolleret for virusser af Avast antivirussoftware. http://www.avast.com --- Denne e-mail blev kontrolleret for virusser af Avast antivirussoftware. http://www.avast.com
RE: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld
Yes...but I, too, have heard along the lines of the same thing (that Winamp will be back) and I _still_ maintain that WMP 12 just isn't that accessible! If someone can show me differently, well alright! But it's not like WMP 11; that's for sure! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:39 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Pigs might fly too! On 9 Nov 2014, at 10:38 am, Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net wrote: from what someone said the people that bought winamp should come out with a new version soon, hopefully later this year. On 11/8/2014 3:48 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: There are a lot of people out there still using Winamp but the time will come - if it hasn’t come already - when those people are going to run into difficulties. I’ve been playing with WMP for the last few days and I’m quite surprised at the flexibility of the player, in fact I’d go so far as to say its been just about a closely guarded secret smile. Sure, WMP has some annoying problems in my opinion, its not very flexible when it comes to playing Audio formats such as FLAC but for most people I’d imagine this isn’t a problem and in any case, if you’re that concerned about playing Lossless formats then you can use software to convert your FLAC collection to Lossless Windows Media Audio. My favourite player across platforms is VLC which just keeps getting better. On 9 Nov 2014, at 7:19 am, John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks Dane, I think I may have a go at this. I've ignored WMP up to now, but as Winamp is no longer being updated I'm starting to think about other options. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 07 November 2014 18:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_ windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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I’m not going to say more at the risk of repeating myself as I’ve already written on the topic of wMP, if anyone can tell me what’s not accessible in the player then please do, I’ve been using the player as other list members would know since early last week I think I started exploring it. On 10 Nov 2014, at 4:38 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Yes...but I, too, have heard along the lines of the same thing (that Winamp will be back) and I _still_ maintain that WMP 12 just isn't that accessible! If someone can show me differently, well alright! But it's not like WMP 11; that's for sure! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:39 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Pigs might fly too! On 9 Nov 2014, at 10:38 am, Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net wrote: from what someone said the people that bought winamp should come out with a new version soon, hopefully later this year. On 11/8/2014 3:48 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: There are a lot of people out there still using Winamp but the time will come - if it hasn’t come already - when those people are going to run into difficulties. I’ve been playing with WMP for the last few days and I’m quite surprised at the flexibility of the player, in fact I’d go so far as to say its been just about a closely guarded secret smile. Sure, WMP has some annoying problems in my opinion, its not very flexible when it comes to playing Audio formats such as FLAC but for most people I’d imagine this isn’t a problem and in any case, if you’re that concerned about playing Lossless formats then you can use software to convert your FLAC collection to Lossless Windows Media Audio. My favourite player across platforms is VLC which just keeps getting better. On 9 Nov 2014, at 7:19 am, John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks Dane, I think I may have a go at this. I've ignored WMP up to now, but as Winamp is no longer being updated I'm starting to think about other options. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 07 November 2014 18:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_ windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld
Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com
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Thanks Dane, I think I may have a go at this. I've ignored WMP up to now, but as Winamp is no longer being updated I'm starting to think about other options. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 07 November 2014 18:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_ windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com
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There are a lot of people out there still using Winamp but the time will come - if it hasn’t come already - when those people are going to run into difficulties. I’ve been playing with WMP for the last few days and I’m quite surprised at the flexibility of the player, in fact I’d go so far as to say its been just about a closely guarded secret smile. Sure, WMP has some annoying problems in my opinion, its not very flexible when it comes to playing Audio formats such as FLAC but for most people I’d imagine this isn’t a problem and in any case, if you’re that concerned about playing Lossless formats then you can use software to convert your FLAC collection to Lossless Windows Media Audio. My favourite player across platforms is VLC which just keeps getting better. On 9 Nov 2014, at 7:19 am, John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks Dane, I think I may have a go at this. I've ignored WMP up to now, but as Winamp is no longer being updated I'm starting to think about other options. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 07 November 2014 18:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_ windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld
from what someone said the people that bought winamp should come out with a new version soon, hopefully later this year. On 11/8/2014 3:48 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: There are a lot of people out there still using Winamp but the time will come - if it hasn’t come already - when those people are going to run into difficulties. I’ve been playing with WMP for the last few days and I’m quite surprised at the flexibility of the player, in fact I’d go so far as to say its been just about a closely guarded secret smile. Sure, WMP has some annoying problems in my opinion, its not very flexible when it comes to playing Audio formats such as FLAC but for most people I’d imagine this isn’t a problem and in any case, if you’re that concerned about playing Lossless formats then you can use software to convert your FLAC collection to Lossless Windows Media Audio. My favourite player across platforms is VLC which just keeps getting better. On 9 Nov 2014, at 7:19 am, John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks Dane, I think I may have a go at this. I've ignored WMP up to now, but as Winamp is no longer being updated I'm starting to think about other options. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 07 November 2014 18:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_ windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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Pigs might fly too! On 9 Nov 2014, at 10:38 am, Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net wrote: from what someone said the people that bought winamp should come out with a new version soon, hopefully later this year. On 11/8/2014 3:48 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: There are a lot of people out there still using Winamp but the time will come - if it hasn’t come already - when those people are going to run into difficulties. I’ve been playing with WMP for the last few days and I’m quite surprised at the flexibility of the player, in fact I’d go so far as to say its been just about a closely guarded secret smile. Sure, WMP has some annoying problems in my opinion, its not very flexible when it comes to playing Audio formats such as FLAC but for most people I’d imagine this isn’t a problem and in any case, if you’re that concerned about playing Lossless formats then you can use software to convert your FLAC collection to Lossless Windows Media Audio. My favourite player across platforms is VLC which just keeps getting better. On 9 Nov 2014, at 7:19 am, John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks Dane, I think I may have a go at this. I've ignored WMP up to now, but as Winamp is no longer being updated I'm starting to think about other options. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 07 November 2014 18:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_ windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
OzTech How to Stream Digital Media From Your Windows 7 PC | PCWorld
Hi! I'm setting up another Windows machine for someone who wants to stream media files from the machine to DLAN compatible devices, in particular a Surround-Sound Receiver. I'm no expert when ot comes to the DLNA side of things and I know this topic does come up on the list from time to time, another Google search was in order to see if I could discover any new information on the topic, and low and behold, I found what seems to be quite a nice tutorial on the subject, thought others on the list may find it interesting, helpful and instructive. http://www.pcworld.com/article/245888/how_to_stream_digital_media_from_your_windows_7_pc.html To send a message to the list, send a message to: ozt...@damorris.com To leave the list at any time send a message to oztech-unsubscr...@damorris.com To contact the list owner, send an email to: a...@damorris.com ___ OzTech mailing list ozt...@damorris.com http://damorris.com/mailman/listinfo/oztech_damorris.com
