Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
Yes, I think a lot of the machines marketed for home theater use a probably a lot bigger and size, and then you pay quite a premium because they have to do stuff to make them run quiet because you don't really want to hear fans running from a tower in the livingroom either. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:19 AM Subject: Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
I would guess, and the ghz rating isn't near everything these days that the systems with for say, a 1.8 ghz i7 would seem slower than a 2.8 or whatever i5, unless having 2 more cores helps a given application. - Original Message - From: Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini It is an i5, which sucks for audio editing. It is doable, but not as responsive as an i7. I can understand your interest in this machine. Macs are overpriced and underpowered compared to high performance Windows machines. Kelly On 11/15/14, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: I have configured my Mac as it goes. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 15:03, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Interesting you took it that way as its vastely different from a Mac mini, try configuring a Mac Mini yourself and see how you get on smile. The only similarity between the Nuc and the Mac Mini are the size of the machines really, even the entry level Mac Mini is more expensive than a Nuc though having said that the Mac Mini is pretty much read to go out of the box, all the user need do is set up keyboard and display. There are other computers similar in size to the Nuc and Mac Mini and perhaps the most famous of these is the Samsung Chromebox. I bought one about a year ago and I won't go on about it here because it really doesn't have any audio qualities worth speaking of apart from a headphones socket and it can play audio but its not the power house like a Nuc or a Mac Mini, the Chromebox relies totally on Google to run. On 16/11/2014 1:41 AM, Kulvinder Bhogal wrote: I was simply going by the fact that this is made to look like a Mac Mini and that is all. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 10:19, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
I was simply going by the fact that this is made to look like a Mac Mini and that is all. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 10:19, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
Interesting you took it that way as its vastely different from a Mac mini, try configuring a Mac Mini yourself and see how you get on smile. The only similarity between the Nuc and the Mac Mini are the size of the machines really, even the entry level Mac Mini is more expensive than a Nuc though having said that the Mac Mini is pretty much read to go out of the box, all the user need do is set up keyboard and display. There are other computers similar in size to the Nuc and Mac Mini and perhaps the most famous of these is the Samsung Chromebox. I bought one about a year ago and I won't go on about it here because it really doesn't have any audio qualities worth speaking of apart from a headphones socket and it can play audio but its not the power house like a Nuc or a Mac Mini, the Chromebox relies totally on Google to run. On 16/11/2014 1:41 AM, Kulvinder Bhogal wrote: I was simply going by the fact that this is made to look like a Mac Mini and that is all. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 10:19, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
I have configured my Mac as it goes. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 15:03, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Interesting you took it that way as its vastely different from a Mac mini, try configuring a Mac Mini yourself and see how you get on smile. The only similarity between the Nuc and the Mac Mini are the size of the machines really, even the entry level Mac Mini is more expensive than a Nuc though having said that the Mac Mini is pretty much read to go out of the box, all the user need do is set up keyboard and display. There are other computers similar in size to the Nuc and Mac Mini and perhaps the most famous of these is the Samsung Chromebox. I bought one about a year ago and I won't go on about it here because it really doesn't have any audio qualities worth speaking of apart from a headphones socket and it can play audio but its not the power house like a Nuc or a Mac Mini, the Chromebox relies totally on Google to run. On 16/11/2014 1:41 AM, Kulvinder Bhogal wrote: I was simply going by the fact that this is made to look like a Mac Mini and that is all. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 10:19, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
It is an i5, which sucks for audio editing. It is doable, but not as responsive as an i7. I can understand your interest in this machine. Macs are overpriced and underpowered compared to high performance Windows machines. Kelly On 11/15/14, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: I have configured my Mac as it goes. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 15:03, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Interesting you took it that way as its vastely different from a Mac mini, try configuring a Mac Mini yourself and see how you get on smile. The only similarity between the Nuc and the Mac Mini are the size of the machines really, even the entry level Mac Mini is more expensive than a Nuc though having said that the Mac Mini is pretty much read to go out of the box, all the user need do is set up keyboard and display. There are other computers similar in size to the Nuc and Mac Mini and perhaps the most famous of these is the Samsung Chromebox. I bought one about a year ago and I won't go on about it here because it really doesn't have any audio qualities worth speaking of apart from a headphones socket and it can play audio but its not the power house like a Nuc or a Mac Mini, the Chromebox relies totally on Google to run. On 16/11/2014 1:41 AM, Kulvinder Bhogal wrote: I was simply going by the fact that this is made to look like a Mac Mini and that is all. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 10:19, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
I thought the differences between i5 and i processors were more to do with the handling of video encoding/decoding and display. On what do you base your statements regarding audio editing? I use several computers here, my Windows Desktop is an I5 along with my iMac, so what am I missing when it comes t audio editing. People on this list I'm sure have been using Sound Forge with machines which came out earlier than I5 machines did and I'm sure there are plenty of people on list who are using Dual Core machines and successfully using Sound Forge or whatever editor they prefer. I always thought the key to good audio editing was a good reliable hard drive or even a SSD these days. Anyway getting back to the point of the Nuc, its going to be a media ceter here so no, not much audio editing will take place if any though I am thinking of using it as a broadcasting hub too. On 16/11/2014 6:35 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: It is an i5, which sucks for audio editing. It is doable, but not as responsive as an i7. I can understand your interest in this machine. Macs are overpriced and underpowered compared to high performance Windows machines. Kelly On 11/15/14, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: I have configured my Mac as it goes. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 15:03, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Interesting you took it that way as its vastely different from a Mac mini, try configuring a Mac Mini yourself and see how you get on smile. The only similarity between the Nuc and the Mac Mini are the size of the machines really, even the entry level Mac Mini is more expensive than a Nuc though having said that the Mac Mini is pretty much read to go out of the box, all the user need do is set up keyboard and display. There are other computers similar in size to the Nuc and Mac Mini and perhaps the most famous of these is the Samsung Chromebox. I bought one about a year ago and I won't go on about it here because it really doesn't have any audio qualities worth speaking of apart from a headphones socket and it can play audio but its not the power house like a Nuc or a Mac Mini, the Chromebox relies totally on Google to run. On 16/11/2014 1:41 AM, Kulvinder Bhogal wrote: I was simply going by the fact that this is made to look like a Mac Mini and that is all. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 10:19, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
I have to disagree since it is a matter of what you wish to do with the machine. What I mean by that is that you can buy Macs that are high powered and are more than capable for audio and video editing. However, if you decide to buy a budget machine, then that is what you get, an under powered machine. Equally, on the question of price, I have seem Windows boxes that are overpriced for what they are. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 19:35, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: It is an i5, which sucks for audio editing. It is doable, but not as responsive as an i7. I can understand your interest in this machine. Macs are overpriced and underpowered compared to high performance Windows machines. Kelly On 11/15/14, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: I have configured my Mac as it goes. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 15:03, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Interesting you took it that way as its vastely different from a Mac mini, try configuring a Mac Mini yourself and see how you get on smile. The only similarity between the Nuc and the Mac Mini are the size of the machines really, even the entry level Mac Mini is more expensive than a Nuc though having said that the Mac Mini is pretty much read to go out of the box, all the user need do is set up keyboard and display. There are other computers similar in size to the Nuc and Mac Mini and perhaps the most famous of these is the Samsung Chromebox. I bought one about a year ago and I won't go on about it here because it really doesn't have any audio qualities worth speaking of apart from a headphones socket and it can play audio but its not the power house like a Nuc or a Mac Mini, the Chromebox relies totally on Google to run. On 16/11/2014 1:41 AM, Kulvinder Bhogal wrote: I was simply going by the fact that this is made to look like a Mac Mini and that is all. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 10:19, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
Hi! An Audio Engineer friend of mine has been following this discussion and sends comments regarding Kelly's statement below and Mini PC machines thus. snip Hmm; ignoring all the emotive garbage, there *is* at least *some* truth to the statement, inasmuch as the I5 isn't a patch on the I7: no hyperthreading and (I believe) limited virtualisation. But you'd have to be doing something pretty damned extreme (dozens of plugins and God knows how many parallel tracks) to see the difference for standard audio editing. Somehow, I don't think SoundForge is going exactly to behave much differently. :D The shot about Macs being overpriced for their CPU power is far more true for Australia, where PCs are so cheap compared e.g. to the U.K. or U.S.. You really can get some very nice little mini-PCs here that are cheaper than a Mac, and probably far more powerful (I7, 4GB RAM and all Intel boards. Go to the U.K. or U.S. though, and things are very different. snip Go Figure smile. On 16/11/2014 6:35 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: It is an i5, which sucks for audio editing. It is doable, but not as responsive as an i7. I can understand your interest in this machine. Macs are overpriced and underpowered compared to high performance Windows machines. Kelly On 11/15/14, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: I have configured my Mac as it goes. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 15:03, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Interesting you took it that way as its vastely different from a Mac mini, try configuring a Mac Mini yourself and see how you get on smile. The only similarity between the Nuc and the Mac Mini are the size of the machines really, even the entry level Mac Mini is more expensive than a Nuc though having said that the Mac Mini is pretty much read to go out of the box, all the user need do is set up keyboard and display. There are other computers similar in size to the Nuc and Mac Mini and perhaps the most famous of these is the Samsung Chromebox. I bought one about a year ago and I won't go on about it here because it really doesn't have any audio qualities worth speaking of apart from a headphones socket and it can play audio but its not the power house like a Nuc or a Mac Mini, the Chromebox relies totally on Google to run. On 16/11/2014 1:41 AM, Kulvinder Bhogal wrote: I was simply going by the fact that this is made to look like a Mac Mini and that is all. Smiles. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 10:19, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: These machines are no pretenders, they’re proper Intel machines, much the same as your Desktop or Notebook but one hell of a lot smaller, perfect as the audio/video hub in your lounge room because of their size, put them literally anywhere, can you imagine a desktop machine taking up room in your family living area which could otherwise be occupied by seating, coffee tables or whatever other comforts and furniture a lounge room has these days? On 15 Nov 2014, at 8:37 pm, Kulvinder Bhogal kbhog...@btinternet.com wrote: Here here. Very well said. Why buy a pretender. Regards. Kulvinder On 15 Nov 2014, at 01:33, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
Dane Trethowan's iPhone at +61400494862 has had the privlidge of delivering the above eMail to you. On 15 Nov 2014, at 12:33 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Seems too expensive for something you have to add lots of things to, like your ram and storage. Buy the Mini and be done with it. Mary I'm just looking at prices now and it really depends on what you want to do. The Machine for example at a shop I'm browsing as I write is priced at $75 and then you have your memory and whatever hard drive you want on top of that, at the most that's around $200 so really that's a bargain, all that has to be done then is to install your choice of operating system, the audio is there via HDMI or headphone/microphone socket on the back, 3 USB ports - 1 3.0 and 2 2.0 - for other devices. Bluetooth and Wi-Fi already built-in along with an Eternet socket. Ah yes, of course you'll have to get a keyboard but still very cheap and economical for a dekstop machine.
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
Well, the prices quoted in the review were a whole bunch more than $75. If you have the help or are competent to install the memory and storage, then $75 plus that stuff isn't a bad deal. Mary
Re: Windows Machine Like A Mac Mini
Yes you’re right about the review, there are different models of Nuc around it seems, the review was focusing on a Quad Core i5, there are Duo Core models and they are cheaper, certainly they would provide the functionality most people would need. The memory you could probably install yourself but some people may prefer to have it installed for them obviously. On 15 Nov 2014, at 3:13 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Well, the prices quoted in the review were a whole bunch more than $75. If you have the help or are competent to install the memory and storage, then $75 plus that stuff isn't a bad deal. Mary ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
