So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
We have enough radio waves bombarding our body, now we have to use Blue Tooth if we want to charge and listen. P. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:29 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I’ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Well perhaps with all these radio waves and all the aliens might finally take away all those who just like complaining all day long . > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:35 AM, Peter Scanlon wrote: > > We have enough radio waves bombarding our body, now we have to use Blue Tooth > if we want to charge and listen. > > P. > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL > Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:29 AM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message----- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I’ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret sauce. Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design. Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. Tim Noonan Consultant Speaker Coach Phone: +61 419 779 669 Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au Skype: VoiceReadings Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan Coaching & Consulting: www.timnoonan.com.au Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, and I am not sure it will even fit on the 7! The Rode support people would not comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test. On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound > one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done. > There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I’ve seen cases > already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. > As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon > would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this > area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing > condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. > I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine > about it all. > > > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > > "thinness". > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > > Campos > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. > > Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting > > that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to > > be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. > > Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple > > themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and > > break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like > > that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff > > that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > > Trethowan > > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > > To: PC Audio Discussion List > > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus > > stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - > > and that can only be a plus. > > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice > > additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of > > Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet > > another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can > > plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > > Arcam DAC . > > > > ** > > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Hmm, interesting. I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method. Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan wrote: > > The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple > secret sauce. > > Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. > > Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone > jack and the Airpod tech and design. > > Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News > https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz > > On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > Tim Noonan > Consultant Speaker Coach > > Phone: +61 419 779 669 > Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au > Skype: VoiceReadings > Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan > > Coaching & Consulting:www.timnoonan.com.au > Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au > Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water > Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
guess you’ll have to read the compatibility notes on that microphone if you do decide to upgrade to a 7. I won’t be upgrading but I am curious to hear what a 7 sounds like given it has stereo speakers. The speaker in the iPhone 6 and 6S sounds absolutely glorious compared to Apple’s past IOS efforts. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:55 AM, John Covici wrote: > > I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, > and I am not sure it will even fit on the 7! The Rode support people > would not comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test. > > On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400, > Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound >> one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done. >> There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I’ve seen cases >> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. >> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon >> would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in >> this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing >> condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. >> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine >> about it all. >> >>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: >>> >>> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of >>> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the >>> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. >>> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of >>> "thinness". >>> >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit >>> Campos >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM >>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >>> >>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue >>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they >>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like >>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. >>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting >>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to >>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. >>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple >>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and >>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like >>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff >>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>> Trethowan >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >>> >>> Indeed it has and no real surprises. >>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus >>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - >>> and that can only be a plus. >>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice >>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of >>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet >>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. >>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can >>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. >>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the >>> Arcam DAC . >>> >>> ** >>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >>> halfwits in this world behind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> >> > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > cov...@ccs.covici.com > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Airplay requires Wi-Fi. I found that out the hard way, when I tried to stream something to my airplay enabled stereo from my phone which was on LTE at the time, not Wi-Fi. No joy. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Hmm, interesting. > I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with > Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when > streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method. > Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps > that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth. > >> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan wrote: >> >> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple >> secret sauce. >> >> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. >> >> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone >> jack and the Airpod tech and design. >> >> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News >> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz >> >> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> >> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue >> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they >> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like >> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. >> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting >> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be >> wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords >> always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use >> for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something >> like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree >> it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded >> but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >> Trethowan >> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >> >> Indeed it has and no real surprises. >> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo >> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that >> can only be a plus. >> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, >> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, >> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another >> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. >> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can >> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. >> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the >> Arcam DAC . >> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tim Noonan >> Consultant Speaker Coach >> >> Phone: +61 419 779 669 >> Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au >> Skype: VoiceReadings >> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan >> >> Coaching & Consulting:www.timnoonan.com.au >> Inspirational Speaking:www.visionarycommunications.com.au >> Gemwater Bottles:www.timnoonan.com.au/water >> Voice Readings:www.voicereadings.com >> >> > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > >
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Thanks for posting that article, Tim. I just have a couple of comments on it. Somebody on another list I am on pointed out that the Samsung S7 and S7 active have that waterproof speck of 68 IPS is it 68, not 67. They have a headphone jack, and their spec is actually better than the new iPhone in that respect. Since they are actually really waterproof up to the standard that the watch is, rather than the less stringent standards that the new iPhone 7 meets. The other thing is about the AirPods. These things cost 160 bucks. And they're not held into your ears buy anything. For instance, I have a Bluetooth earpiece from Plantronics, the voyager legend. It has kind of a clip thing that goes behind your ear. It's not going anywhere. It's not going to drop out of your ear. I can just imagine how many people are going to lose an air pot along the way and not realize it. At $160 a pop, that is going to elicit a lot of irritation rather quickly I think. I suspect there will be a third-party solutions for people who really feel they need to have both the ability to listen to headphones and charge their phone at the same time and who don't want to go wireless with stereo phones. These AirPods, they sound great. But they don't seem practical, because I think they will be far far too easy to inadvertently drop out of your ear. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Tim Noonan wrote: > > The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple > secret sauce. > > Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. > > Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone > jack and the Airpod tech and design. > > Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News > https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz > > On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > Tim Noonan > Consultant Speaker Coach > > Phone: +61 419 779 669 > Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au > Skype: VoiceReadings > Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan > > Coaching & Consulting:www.timnoonan.com.au > Inspirational Speaking:www.visionarycommunications.com.au > Gemwater Bottles:www.timnoonan.com.au/water > Voice Readings:www.voicereadings.com > >
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen underwater... (smiles) -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay. > I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Actually, I wouldn't mind so much about the removal of the jack if Apple granted licence to use the lightning connector to others free of charge. As things stand any headphone manufacturer making use of the lightning connector has to pay Apple a fee as Apple holds the patent. That will unnecessarily restrict the numbers of manufacturers to those with the cash and willing to design products just for Apple gear that are useless for anything else. Oh, by the way, the pods that come with the iPhone are lightening,, you have to pay 150 bucks for the airpods. And to date Apple don't even use the optional Bluetooth lossless APTEX standard John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Noonan Sent: 08 September 2016 01:54 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret sauce. Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design. Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay. I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. Tim Noonan Consultant Speaker Coach Phone: +61 419 779 669 Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au Skype: VoiceReadings Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan Coaching & Consulting: www.timnoonan.com.au Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com
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And in stereo too! > On 8 Sep 2016, at 7:39 PM, John Gurd wrote: > > Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen > underwater... (smiles) > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL > Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints > about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something > substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm > losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge > my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several > hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound > one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. > There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases > already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. > As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon > would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this > area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing > condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. > I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine > about it all. > >> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: >> >> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of >> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the >> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. >> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of >> "thinness". >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit >> Campos >> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >> >> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue >> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they >> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like >> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. >> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting >> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be >> wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords >> always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use >> for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something >> like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree >> it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded >> but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >> Trethowan >> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >> >> Indeed it has and no real surprises. >> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo >> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that >> can only be a plus. >> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, >> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, >> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another >> standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them. >> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can >> plug in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay. >> I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the >> Arcam DAC . >> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Yeah that sucks. Does it cost anything to use APTX? Why could it be that they don't use it? Lausless is epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:50 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, I wouldn't mind so much about the removal of the jack if Apple granted licence to use the lightning connector to others free of charge. As things stand any headphone manufacturer making use of the lightning connector has to pay Apple a fee as Apple holds the patent. That will unnecessarily restrict the numbers of manufacturers to those with the cash and willing to design products just for Apple gear that are useless for anything else. Oh, by the way, the pods that come with the iPhone are lightening,, you have to pay 150 bucks for the airpods. And to date Apple don't even use the optional Bluetooth lossless APTEX standard John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Noonan Sent: 08 September 2016 01:54 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret sauce. Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design. Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay. I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. Tim Noonan Consultant Speaker Coach Phone: +61 419 779 669 Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au Skype: VoiceReadings Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan Coaching & Consulting: www.timnoonan.com.au Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen underwater... (smiles) -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message----- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay. > I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Yeah I guess either the death sad as it is weren’t enough for Apple to care and so far as charging and using goes well use the air pods whilst charging. Again their be a man and suck it attitude maybe too harsh, but see though they also know humans hate change. Now there is a point too that Change isn't always good. New isn't always better. I hae no idea. I'd have to feel the fone up to see if there's anything to when Leo said that they could have kept the port. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:29 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Maybe. It's just human nature though. We don't like sudden change but we also resist if we can. We'll continue in the old way if it's not taken away. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I’ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
This connects by lightning right? Sweet Watter has that mike. It should I don't see why it wouldn't fit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, and I am not sure it will even fit on the 7! The Rode support people would not comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test. On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Whilst I don?t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I?m in a position to comment as I have done. > There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I?ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. > As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I?ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that?s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. > I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > > > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > > Hamit Campos > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > > Dane Trethowan > > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > > To: PC Audio Discussion List > > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. > > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn?t presented with much information on them. > > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC?s if better sound is what we?re after or we have AirPlay. > > I?ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . > > > > ** > > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. > > > > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
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I would find that so hypocritical if that's the case. I mean you trash talk blue tooth oh but hush hush we are using it with our appleness. Like Seriously Apple? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:58 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Hmm, interesting. I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method. Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan wrote: > > The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple > secret sauce. > > Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. > > Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone > jack and the Airpod tech and design. > > Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News > https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz > > On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > Tim Noonan > Consultant Speaker Coach > > Phone: +61 419 779 669 > Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au > Skype: VoiceReadings > Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan > > Coaching & Consulting:www.timnoonan.com.au > Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au > Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water > Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Yeah I wanna hear itEspecially since in mike turms they did mid side stereo not the usual which would be more like X Y. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced guess you’ll have to read the compatibility notes on that microphone if you do decide to upgrade to a 7. I won’t be upgrading but I am curious to hear what a 7 sounds like given it has stereo speakers. The speaker in the iPhone 6 and 6S sounds absolutely glorious compared to Apple’s past IOS efforts. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:55 AM, John Covici wrote: > > I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, > and I am not sure it will even fit on the 7! The Rode support people > would not comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test. > > On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400, > Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound >> one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done. >> There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I’ve seen cases >> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. >> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon >> would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in >> this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing >> condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. >> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine >> about it all. >> >>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: >>> >>> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of >>> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the >>> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. >>> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of >>> "thinness". >>> >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Hamit Campos >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM >>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >>> >>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue >>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they >>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like >>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. >>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting >>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to >>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. >>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple >>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and >>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like >>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff >>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >>> >>> Indeed it has and no real surprises. >>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus >>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - >>> and that can only be a plus. >>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice >>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of >>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet >>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. >>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can >>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. >>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the >>> Arcam DAC . >>> >>> ** >>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >>> halfwits in this world behind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> >> > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > cov...@ccs.covici.com > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Unless Leo had a good look at the inside of the phone, he is in no position to know whether they could've kept the port and kept the size the same. Blowing smoke as usual. That's what these guys on these big bloviating podcasts do. They blow smoke. They stir the water. Blah blah blah. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Yeah I guess either the death sad as it is weren’t enough for Apple to care > and so far as charging and using goes well use the air pods whilst charging. > Again their be a man and suck it attitude maybe too harsh, but see though > they also know humans hate change. Now there is a point too that Change isn't > always good. New isn't always better. I hae no idea. I'd have to feel the > fone up to see if there's anything to when Leo said that they could have kept > the port. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:29 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > >
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Hi! Yes i will wait to update as i have the Iphone SE on a pay plan. I would like to buy the new apple watch though. / > On 8 Sep 2016, at 00:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug > in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the > Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > >
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Hi! Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay. But i may have heard wrong. /A > On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Hmm, interesting. > I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with > Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when > streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method. > Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps > that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth. > >> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan wrote: >> >> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple >> secret sauce. >> >> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. >> >> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone >> jack and the Airpod tech and design. >> >> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News >> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz >> >> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> >> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue >> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they >> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like >> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. >> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting >> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be >> wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords >> always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use >> for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something >> like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree >> it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded >> but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >> Trethowan >> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >> >> Indeed it has and no real surprises. >> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo >> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that >> can only be a plus. >> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, >> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, >> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another >> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. >> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can >> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. >> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the >> Arcam DAC . >> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tim Noonan >> Consultant Speaker Coach >> >> Phone: +61 419 779 669 >> Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au >> Skype: VoiceReadings >> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan >> >> Coaching & Consulting: www.timnoonan.com.au >> Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au >> Gemwater Bottles:www.timnoonan.com.au/water >> Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com >> >> > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > >
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
It would connect, but it wants to press the home button and there is none. On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:18:43 -0400, Hamit Campos wrote: > > This connects by lightning right? Sweet Watter has that mike. It should I > don't see why it wouldn't fit. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John > Covici > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:55 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, and I > am not sure it will even fit on the 7! The Rode support people would not > comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test. > > On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400, > Dane Trethowan wrote: > > > > Whilst I don?t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound > one at that - thus I believe I?m in a position to comment as I have done. > > There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I?ve seen cases > already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. > > As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon > would be up to the job not that I?ve had absolute personal experience in > this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing > condition but that?s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this > list. > > I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just > whine about it all. > > > > > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > > > > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > > > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > > > Hamit Campos > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > > > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > > > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > > > > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than > blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. > Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting > that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be > wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords > always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use > for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something > like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree > it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded > but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > > > Dane Trethowan > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > > > To: PC Audio Discussion List > > > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > > > > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > > > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus > stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - > and that can only be a plus. > > > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice > additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of > Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet > another standard? I wasn?t presented with much information on them. > > > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can > plug in DAC?s if better sound is what we?re after or we have AirPlay. > > > I?ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on > the Arcam DAC . > > > > > > ** > > > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of > the halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > cov...@ccs.covici.com > > > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
What John said pretty much applies to many of Apple's facilities for what of a better way to describe them, AirPlay is another example which I suspect is one of the reasons why so many manufacturers just aren't bothering with AirPlay these days prefering to use Bluetooth aptX. I have a set of Philips cans - can't remember the model number now - which are equipped with a Lightning doc connector. Now these cans cost well over $400 Australian but they're worth every cent as far as I'm concerned, audio is excellent through the in-built DAC of these cans so you guessed it, the cans take the digital stream straight from the iPhone itself. Philips do make a 3.5MM minijack version of the same cans for around the same amount of money. On 9/09/2016 1:00 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Yeah that sucks. Does it cost anything to use APTX? Why could it be that they don't use it? Lausless is epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:50 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, I wouldn't mind so much about the removal of the jack if Apple granted licence to use the lightning connector to others free of charge. As things stand any headphone manufacturer making use of the lightning connector has to pay Apple a fee as Apple holds the patent. That will unnecessarily restrict the numbers of manufacturers to those with the cash and willing to design products just for Apple gear that are useless for anything else. Oh, by the way, the pods that come with the iPhone are lightening,, you have to pay 150 bucks for the airpods. And to date Apple don't even use the optional Bluetooth lossless APTEX standard John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Noonan Sent: 08 September 2016 01:54 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret sauce. Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design. Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay. I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. Tim Noonan Consultant Speaker Coach Phone: +61 419 779 669 Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au Skype: VoiceReadings Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan Coaching & Consulting: www.timnoonan.com.au Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
Yep quite, I couldn't give much of a damn either but I guess it gets everyone out of the house to complain about something. On 9/09/2016 1:03 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen underwater... (smiles) -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay. I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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You watch, in 3 weeks all this will have been forgotten. On 9/09/2016 1:09 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Yeah I guess either the death sad as it is weren’t enough for Apple to care and so far as charging and using goes well use the air pods whilst charging. Again their be a man and suck it attitude maybe too harsh, but see though they also know humans hate change. Now there is a point too that Change isn't always good. New isn't always better. I hae no idea. I'd have to feel the fone up to see if there's anything to when Leo said that they could have kept the port. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:29 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
But the funny thing about all this is that no one has to change, hang on to your iPhone 6 or ^S and use it, you don't have to buy a 7 and I certainly don't intend to though the Headphone socket isn't the reason . On 9/09/2016 1:13 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Maybe. It's just human nature though. We don't like sudden change but we also resist if we can. We'll continue in the old way if it's not taken away. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I’ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Fitting isn't the problem, the Apple hardware may very well be. On 9/09/2016 1:18 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: This connects by lightning right? Sweet Watter has that mike. It should I don't see why it wouldn't fit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, and I am not sure it will even fit on the 7! The Rode support people would not comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test. On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400, Dane Trethowan wrote: Whilst I don?t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I?m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I?ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I?ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that?s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn?t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC?s if better sound is what we?re after or we have AirPlay. I?ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
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Again I must be missing something absolutely vitally important, I've never seen any sense whatever in owning an Apple Watch particularly from an audio point of view. On 9/09/2016 1:40 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Yes i will wait to update as i have the Iphone SE on a pay plan. I would like to buy the new apple watch though. / On 8 Sep 2016, at 00:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Once upon a time that may have been true but Apple devices - as far as I know - are using the newer Bluetooth 4.x standards which cut down on power usage. On 9/09/2016 1:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay. But i may have heard wrong. /A On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan wrote: Hmm, interesting. I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method. Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth. On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan wrote: The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret sauce. Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design. Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. Tim Noonan Consultant Speaker Coach Phone: +61 419 779 669 Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au Skype: VoiceReadings Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan Coaching & Consulting: www.timnoonan.com.au Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is charging done wirelessly as well? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen underwater... (smiles) -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standa
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Just a lightning connector unfortunately, I wonder why Apple have held back on Wireless charging. On 9/09/2016 11:56 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is charging done wirelessly as well? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen underwater... (smiles) -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Indeed it has and no real surprises. The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them. No mention of atpX unfor
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Somebody on another list I am on said, and I have no idea if they are blowing smoke or actually know something, that Apple has some kind of agreement with somebody who has developed a wireless charging system where you can be within 15 feet of the source, and have your device be charging without having to have a pad or anything plugged in, except presumably some sort of thing plugged into a wall socket. They were speculating that Apple may have found some kind a flaw in a chip or somesuch thing which meant they didn't go with wireless charging this time. Again, I have no idea. I have certainly red things about companies trying to develop wireless charging where you don't have to have direct contact between your device and whatever is charging it. And this guy is claiming that Apple has an agreement with this company that will make that happen. I really don't see the big deal about wireless charging where you have a pad that's plugged into the wall, then you have to put your phone on the pad. What's the big deal between that and a dock? If they get this wireless charging where somehow the charge is conducted through the air to your device, now that is worth pursuing perhaps. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Just a lightning connector unfortunately, I wonder why Apple have held back > on Wireless charging. > > > >> On 9/09/2016 11:56 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: >> Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is >> charging done wirelessly as well? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit >> Campos >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >> >> To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now >> what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord >> anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what >> evs. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >> >> Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen >> underwater... (smiles) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL >> Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >> >> Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints >> about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining >> something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, >> but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and >> charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting >> several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >> Trethowan >> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >> >> Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound >> one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. >> There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases >> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. >> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon >> would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in >> this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing >> condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. >> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine >> about it all. >> >>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: >>> >>> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of >>> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the >>> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. >>> I resent having a substanti
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I wouldn't dismiss that one, I'm sure I've read something that in the media but it went mysteriously quiet. On 9/09/2016 12:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote: Somebody on another list I am on said, and I have no idea if they are blowing smoke or actually know something, that Apple has some kind of agreement with somebody who has developed a wireless charging system where you can be within 15 feet of the source, and have your device be charging without having to have a pad or anything plugged in, except presumably some sort of thing plugged into a wall socket. They were speculating that Apple may have found some kind a flaw in a chip or somesuch thing which meant they didn't go with wireless charging this time. Again, I have no idea. I have certainly red things about companies trying to develop wireless charging where you don't have to have direct contact between your device and whatever is charging it. And this guy is claiming that Apple has an agreement with this company that will make that happen. I really don't see the big deal about wireless charging where you have a pad that's plugged into the wall, then you have to put your phone on the pad. What's the big deal between that and a dock? If they get this wireless charging where somehow the charge is conducted through the air to your device, now that is worth pursuing perhaps. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Just a lightning connector unfortunately, I wonder why Apple have held back on Wireless charging. On 9/09/2016 11:56 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is charging done wirelessly as well? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen underwater... (smiles) -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it.
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I think they looked at a diagram or something. Which isn't the same as looking at the actual thing and feeling it up. But my Nephew Jonathan said that from the picks he saw meh it's about the same size. So maybe the speaker took the space up or the taptic or what ever you call that vibrator in the new home button. Oh well Se La Vi. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 11:31 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Unless Leo had a good look at the inside of the phone, he is in no position to know whether they could've kept the port and kept the size the same. Blowing smoke as usual. That's what these guys on these big bloviating podcasts do. They blow smoke. They stir the water. Blah blah blah. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Yeah I guess either the death sad as it is weren't enough for Apple to care and so far as charging and using goes well use the air pods whilst charging. Again their be a man and suck it attitude maybe too harsh, but see though they also know humans hate change. Now there is a point too that Change isn't always good. New isn't always better. I hae no idea. I'd have to feel the fone up to see if there's anything to when Leo said that they could have kept the port. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:29 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn't presented with much information on them. > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug in DAC's if better sound is what we're after or we have AirPlay. > I'll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC . > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > > >
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Hi, There is an adapter included. And there is a pair of lightning ear bots included as well. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit Campos Sendt: 8. september 2016 17:04 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen underwater... (smiles) -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that > can only be a plus. > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, > a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, > interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another > standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on t
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Hi, Yep. 4.2 to be precise. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 8. september 2016 21:16 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Once upon a time that may have been true but Apple devices - as far as I know - are using the newer Bluetooth 4.x standards which cut down on power usage. On 9/09/2016 1:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: > Hi! > Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay. > But i may have heard wrong. > /A >> On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> Hmm, interesting. >> I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with >> Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when >> streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method. >> Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps >> that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth. >> >>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan wrote: >>> >>> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple >>> secret sauce. >>> >>> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. >>> >>> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the >>> headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design. >>> >>> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News >>> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> >>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue >>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they >>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like >>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. >>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting >>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to >>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. >>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple >>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and >>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like >>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff >>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>> Trethowan >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >>> >>> Indeed it has and no real surprises. >>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus >>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - >>> and that can only be a plus. >>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice >>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of >>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet >>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. >>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can >>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. >>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the >>> Arcam DAC . >>> >>> ** >>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >>> halfwits in this world behind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim Noonan >>> Consultant Speaker Coach >>> >>> Phone: +61 419 779 669 >>> Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au >>> Skype: VoiceReadings >>> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan >>> >>> Coaching & Consulting: www.timnoonan.com.au >>> Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au >>> Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water >>> Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com >>> >>> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> >
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Hi, Oh sure there is a lightning connector. Best regards Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Steve Jacobson Sendt: 9. september 2016 03:56 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is charging done wirelessly as well? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen underwater... (smiles) -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done. There are ways around the charging problem as you put it, I�ve seen cases already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors. As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list. I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine about it all. > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote: > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of > "thinness". > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit > Campos > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo > Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that > they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider > at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always > tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the > ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've > done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare > for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se > la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. > > -----Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced > > Indeed it has and no real surprises. > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo > speakers which should dramatically improve the s
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Ah the 7's using 4.2? Epic. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Olesen Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 11:11 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: SV: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Hi, Yep. 4.2 to be precise. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 8. september 2016 21:16 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced Once upon a time that may have been true but Apple devices - as far as I know - are using the newer Bluetooth 4.x standards which cut down on power usage. On 9/09/2016 1:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: > Hi! > Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay. > But i may have heard wrong. > /A >> On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> Hmm, interesting. >> I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with >> Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when >> streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method. >> Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps >> that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth. >> >>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan wrote: >>> >>> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple >>> secret sauce. >>> >>> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec. >>> >>> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the >>> headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design. >>> >>> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News >>> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> >>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue >>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they >>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like >>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. >>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting >>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to >>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. >>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple >>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and >>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like >>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff >>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced >>> >>> Indeed it has and no real surprises. >>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus >>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - >>> and that can only be a plus. >>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice >>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of >>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet >>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them. >>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can >>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay. >>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the >>> Arcam DAC . >>> >>> ** >>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >>> halfwits in this world behind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim Noonan >>> Consultant Speaker Coach >>> >>> Phone: +61 419 779 669 >>> Email: t...@timnoonan.com.au >>> Skype: VoiceReadings >>> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan >>> >>> Coaching & Consulting: www.timnoonan.com.au >>> Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au >>> Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water >>> Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com >>> >>> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> >