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High David, I have and use the same phone that you had. I am long over do for an up grade, but I am very skeptical about which phone to get. I am with the same carrier that you're with, but they tell me that they don't know of a phone that does the same things that this one does. So I'm watching the market just to see what they will come up with for the blind. My best regards to you all! - Original Message - From: David Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability Well, I have had a LG4650 for the past two years, and while it didn't speak all the menus it was usableas a basic cell phone, and did let you know who was calling, and control more features of the phone than a phone with no speech output. I upgraded to a LG9900 a few days ago, and my wife and I attempted to get that phone setup last night so that aI could use its' wonderful features. Sorry to say, the voice command in this new phone seems to be worse than in the 4650, and there is no speech output in the very places where one needs speech output the most. To make matters worse the manual for this phone seems to be of not much help when attempting to get the phone setup for speech output. Long story short, I am going to take it back to Verizon tomorrow and get a 30 day trial on the Moterola Q so I can try it out with MobileSpeak Smartphone. LG has voice on at least 6 of their phones, but one almost wonders why when the fact is that the items that speak do little to help one get the phone realy setup, and the items that do not speak are the items one really need in order to do things like enter names in the contact list. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability : Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there : is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is : mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and : positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. : Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such : a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible : and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive : comment never did anyone any harm. : The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development : costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the : investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The : other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up : with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do : that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones : built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure : other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are : devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the : same problem, these devices do cost. : : On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: : : I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the : phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of : the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large : percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers : like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features : into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they : aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market : they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some : folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't : even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm : not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for : me. : : : : : : : of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: : I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with : accessability in mind. : : On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: : : Um, : : Actually, : : The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to : the OS. : : rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith : - Original Message - : From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM : Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin : : : It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS : have. : : Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch : screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to : impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device : stops us from using it which is unfortuante
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Hi, Same here and I am up in december for upgrade and my contract is over. Not sure what I'll do then as my 4650 works well for what I need it for. Rick - Original Message - From: John Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability High David, I have and use the same phone that you had. I am long over do for an up grade, but I am very skeptical about which phone to get. I am with the same carrier that you're with, but they tell me that they don't know of a phone that does the same things that this one does. So I'm watching the market just to see what they will come up with for the blind. My best regards to you all! - Original Message - From: David Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability Well, I have had a LG4650 for the past two years, and while it didn't speak all the menus it was usableas a basic cell phone, and did let you know who was calling, and control more features of the phone than a phone with no speech output. I upgraded to a LG9900 a few days ago, and my wife and I attempted to get that phone setup last night so that aI could use its' wonderful features. Sorry to say, the voice command in this new phone seems to be worse than in the 4650, and there is no speech output in the very places where one needs speech output the most. To make matters worse the manual for this phone seems to be of not much help when attempting to get the phone setup for speech output. Long story short, I am going to take it back to Verizon tomorrow and get a 30 day trial on the Moterola Q so I can try it out with MobileSpeak Smartphone. LG has voice on at least 6 of their phones, but one almost wonders why when the fact is that the items that speak do little to help one get the phone realy setup, and the items that do not speak are the items one really need in order to do things like enter names in the contact list. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability : Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there : is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is : mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and : positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. : Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such : a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible : and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive : comment never did anyone any harm. : The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development : costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the : investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The : other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up : with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do : that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones : built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure : other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are : devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the : same problem, these devices do cost. : : On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: : : I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the : phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of : the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large : percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers : like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features : into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they : aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market : they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some : folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't : even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm : not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for : me. : : : : : : : of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: : I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with : accessability in mind. : : On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: : : Um, : : Actually, : : The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to : the OS. : : rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith : - Original Message - : From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM : Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin
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Well, I have had a LG4650 for the past two years, and while it didn't speak all the menus it was usableas a basic cell phone, and did let you know who was calling, and control more features of the phone than a phone with no speech output. I upgraded to a LG9900 a few days ago, and my wife and I attempted to get that phone setup last night so that aI could use its' wonderful features. Sorry to say, the voice command in this new phone seems to be worse than in the 4650, and there is no speech output in the very places where one needs speech output the most. To make matters worse the manual for this phone seems to be of not much help when attempting to get the phone setup for speech output. Long story short, I am going to take it back to Verizon tomorrow and get a 30 day trial on the Moterola Q so I can try it out with MobileSpeak Smartphone. LG has voice on at least 6 of their phones, but one almost wonders why when the fact is that the items that speak do little to help one get the phone realy setup, and the items that do not speak are the items one really need in order to do things like enter names in the contact list. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability : Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there : is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is : mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and : positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. : Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such : a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible : and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive : comment never did anyone any harm. : The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development : costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the : investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The : other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up : with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do : that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones : built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure : other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are : devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the : same problem, these devices do cost. : : On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: : : I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the : phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of : the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large : percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers : like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features : into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they : aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market : they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some : folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't : even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm : not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for : me. : : : : : : : of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: : I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with : accessability in mind. : : On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: : : Um, : : Actually, : : The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to : the OS. : : rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith : - Original Message - : From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM : Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin : : : It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS : have. : : Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch : screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to : impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device : stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit : of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone : I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are : being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or : similar keyboard. : May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything : about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or : most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers : to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal : who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. : On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don
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Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth the trouble. - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Thankfully yes! The majority of the sighted market. definitely not the accessible market I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for three years now. It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. kG. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may be Rockbox for the 6th generation and here's hoping but even if their isn't, I can still use my Ipods quite happily and as far as I know, the wheel interface will stay the same so no, sorry, its not the end of the world and yep, thankfully, Apple are acting for a majority in the market. On 19/07/2007, at 9:19 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: Sorry dude! Not impressed. I get all this from my smart phone and Rockbox. Now, if your telling me
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Hmmm: Nokia Voice Aid provides eyes-free use of mobile core functions: provides audio feedback from the contact list, phone logs and by number dialling using joystick or keypad. Additionally provides audio feedback for voice mailbox and current time Voice Aid features volume adjustment and muting A little more them voice prompts don't you think? Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth the trouble. - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Thankfully yes! The majority of the sighted market. definitely not the accessible market I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for three years now. It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. kG. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep
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Yes ok, but my point is, did Nokia develop this? If they did then excellent, I take back what I said but I suspect that a third party developped it, that being the case then I stand by what I said. On 20/07/2007, at 4:35 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: Hmmm: Nokia Voice Aid provides eyes-free use of mobile core functions: provides audio feedback from the contact list, phone logs and by number dialling using joystick or keypad. Additionally provides audio feedback for voice mailbox and current time Voice Aid features volume adjustment and muting A little more them voice prompts don't you think? Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth the trouble. - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Thankfully yes! The majority of the sighted market. definitely not the accessible market I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for three years now. It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. kG. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio
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Developed by Nokia...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability Yes ok, but my point is, did Nokia develop this? If they did then excellent, I take back what I said but I suspect that a third party developped it, that being the case then I stand by what I said. On 20/07/2007, at 4:35 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: Hmmm: Nokia Voice Aid provides eyes-free use of mobile core functions: provides audio feedback from the contact list, phone logs and by number dialling using joystick or keypad. Additionally provides audio feedback for voice mailbox and current time Voice Aid features volume adjustment and muting A little more them voice prompts don't you think? Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth the trouble. - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Thankfully yes! The majority of the sighted market. definitely not the accessible market I've been
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Ok, well that's very nice to know that Nokia have taken the needs of some of their users into account. I know that Nokia have also done quite a bit for the hearing impaired, you can get from them a device which makes using the phone with hearing aids allot easier. On 20/07/2007, at 4:53 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: Developed by Nokia...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability Yes ok, but my point is, did Nokia develop this? If they did then excellent, I take back what I said but I suspect that a third party developped it, that being the case then I stand by what I said. On 20/07/2007, at 4:35 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: Hmmm: Nokia Voice Aid provides eyes-free use of mobile core functions: provides audio feedback from the contact list, phone logs and by number dialling using joystick or keypad. Additionally provides audio feedback for voice mailbox and current time Voice Aid features volume adjustment and muting A little more them voice prompts don't you think? Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth
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I just read some info about the fact that ATT and Code Factory are working together to provide accessible software for their phones! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth the trouble. - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Thankfully yes! The majority of the sighted market. definitely not the accessible market I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for three years now. It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. kG. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may be Rockbox for the 6th generation and here's hoping but even if their isn't, I can still use my Ipods quite happily
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What sort of accessabilty, visual? Speech? On 20/07/2007, at 8:11 AM, Gary Wood wrote: I just read some info about the fact that ATT and Code Factory are working together to provide accessible software for their phones! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth the trouble. - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Thankfully yes! The majority of the sighted market. definitely not the accessible market I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for three years now. It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. kG. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may be Rockbox for the 6th
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I don't understand the original point. Nokia includes Voice Aid on their phones for no charge, so what difference does it make whether Nokia did the development or they had a third party do it? I think the original point applies more to something like Talks or Mobile Speak, which was done by another company and costs you extra if you're going to put in on your phone. I do wonder how much Nokia works with the developers of Talks and Mobile Speak to make sure those products will work well on their phones and thus make their phones more accessible. I suspect there's some effort on Nokia's part, but not as much as we'd like to see. I also think it's good that ATT is now starting to package Talks and Mobile Speak with the N75 (I believe.). I know that the disability center at ATT isn't perfect, and this still doesn't give the blind all of the low cost options that a sighted person has, but it's still a development that needs to be encouraged, and it's still far better than where we were five years ago with respect to accessible cell phones. BTW, I'm not proposing that Nokia or the other cell phone providers have to incorporate screen reader technology into their products at no cost. I think the situation is analogous to the PC space, and I think Talks and Mobile Speak are better screen readers than we would get if Nokia or the other cell phone manufacturers were required to bundles a screen reader in with their products. Note that this is just my opinion, and I know it isn't shared by everyone. Keith Gillard wrote: Developed by Nokia...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability Yes ok, but my point is, did Nokia develop this? If they did then excellent, I take back what I said but I suspect that a third party developped it, that being the case then I stand by what I said. On 20/07/2007, at 4:35 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: Hmmm: Nokia Voice Aid provides eyes-free use of mobile core functions: provides audio feedback from the contact list, phone logs and by number dialling using joystick or keypad. Additionally provides audio feedback for voice mailbox and current time Voice Aid features volume adjustment and muting A little more them voice prompts don't you think? Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane
Re: Weighing Up accessability
I think it's speech! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability What sort of accessabilty, visual? Speech? On 20/07/2007, at 8:11 AM, Gary Wood wrote: I just read some info about the fact that ATT and Code Factory are working together to provide accessible software for their phones! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth the trouble. - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Thankfully yes! The majority of the sighted market. definitely not the accessible market I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for three years now. It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. kG. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Well yep, I
Re: Weighing Up accessability
Well I hope we'll hear more about that then. On 20/07/2007, at 10:10 AM, Gary Wood wrote: I think it's speech! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability What sort of accessabilty, visual? Speech? On 20/07/2007, at 8:11 AM, Gary Wood wrote: I just read some info about the fact that ATT and Code Factory are working together to provide accessible software for their phones! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is mainly for voice prompting etc but its at least a start and positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something bigger. Of course we all long for the perfect device but until we get such a device then we have to live and let live, adapt where possible and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive comment never did anyone any harm. The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the same problem, these devices do cost. On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for me. of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with accessability in mind. On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Um, Actually, The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to the OS. rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS have. Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or similar keyboard. May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why blindness organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill that is worth the trouble. - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin Thankfully yes! The majority of the sighted market. definitely not the accessible market I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for three years now. It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. kG. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio
