Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-13 Thread Rick Harmon
Hi,

There were several news stories a week or so ago stating that this wasn't 
true.  It was supposedly investigated and there wasn't any evidence to prove 
it.

Rick

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From: Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:03 PM
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O wow I just read this threadl maye I will not buy ipod after reding that.
- Original Message - 
From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


I never used an IPod, and after this article, I guess I never will!
- Original Message - 
From: John Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


Do they really? I had no idea they broke. What a crappy device. And
the way they treat those workers is wrong. I gave up on trying to use
IPod Shuffle and now just use a satellite radio.

On 9/10/06, Nick G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Death to the IPod, thank you very much...That's one device I really hate,
 and the thing about using chinese workers in those conditions...well...May
 explain, for instance, why IPod Nanos break in half.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:09 PM
 Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


 The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
 weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
 people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers,
 and
 health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
 workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14
 hours
 a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
 they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
 still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in
 front
 of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
 overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and
 stress.
 How cool is that?

 Kelly





 The Observer [UK]

 Sunday September 10, 2006


 Why the iPod is losing its cool

 Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
 to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
 common to be cutting edge

 David Smith, technology correspondent



 The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
 search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
 gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
 live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
 of the consumer icons of the Western world.

 The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
 Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
 Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
 'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
 disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
 simply have become too common to be cool.

 On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
 Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
 fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
 bin of history.

 Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
 yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
 devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
 capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
 half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
 industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
 a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
 an iPod with a mobile phone.

 Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
 cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
 equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
 actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
 to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
 forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
 25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
 far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
 for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
 some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
 'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
 the entire player must

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-12 Thread Gary Wood
I never used an IPod, and after this article, I guess I never will!
- Original Message - 
From: John Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


Do they really? I had no idea they broke. What a crappy device. And
the way they treat those workers is wrong. I gave up on trying to use
IPod Shuffle and now just use a satellite radio.

On 9/10/06, Nick G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Death to the IPod, thank you very much...That's one device I really hate,
 and the thing about using chinese workers in those conditions...well...May
 explain, for instance, why IPod Nanos break in half.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:09 PM
 Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


 The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
 weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
 people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, 
 and
 health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
 workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 
 hours
 a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
 they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
 still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in 
 front
 of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
 overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and 
 stress.
 How cool is that?

 Kelly





 The Observer [UK]

 Sunday September 10, 2006


 Why the iPod is losing its cool

 Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
 to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
 common to be cutting edge

 David Smith, technology correspondent



 The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
 search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
 gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
 live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
 of the consumer icons of the Western world.

 The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
 Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
 Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
 'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
 disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
 simply have become too common to be cool.

 On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
 Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
 fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
 bin of history.

 Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
 yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
 devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
 capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
 half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
 industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
 a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
 an iPod with a mobile phone.

 Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
 cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
 equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
 actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
 to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
 forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
 25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
 far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
 for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
 some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
 'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
 the entire player must be replaced,' she said. 'We have heard from some
 conspiracy theorists that the batteries are made to die soon after the
 warranty ends.

 'Other complaints are that iTunes [Apple's online music store] is
 overpriced and the format is not easily transferred on to other players.
 In our ethnography interviews, some long-time iPod-users told us that they
 have stopped updating their iPods because it's too much work, while other
 consumers who had bought iPods more recently had not even taken theirs out
 of the package to set it up.'

 She added that the iPod is in danger of becoming a victim of its own
 success: 'Some backlash

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-12 Thread Sarah
O wow I just read this threadl maye I will not buy ipod after reding that.
- Original Message - 
From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


I never used an IPod, and after this article, I guess I never will!
- Original Message - 
From: John Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


Do they really? I had no idea they broke. What a crappy device. And
the way they treat those workers is wrong. I gave up on trying to use
IPod Shuffle and now just use a satellite radio.

On 9/10/06, Nick G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Death to the IPod, thank you very much...That's one device I really hate,
 and the thing about using chinese workers in those conditions...well...May
 explain, for instance, why IPod Nanos break in half.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:09 PM
 Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


 The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
 weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
 people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers,
 and
 health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
 workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14
 hours
 a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
 they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
 still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in
 front
 of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
 overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and
 stress.
 How cool is that?

 Kelly





 The Observer [UK]

 Sunday September 10, 2006


 Why the iPod is losing its cool

 Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
 to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
 common to be cutting edge

 David Smith, technology correspondent



 The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
 search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
 gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
 live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
 of the consumer icons of the Western world.

 The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
 Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
 Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
 'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
 disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
 simply have become too common to be cool.

 On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
 Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
 fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
 bin of history.

 Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
 yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
 devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
 capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
 half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
 industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
 a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
 an iPod with a mobile phone.

 Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
 cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
 equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
 actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
 to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
 forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
 25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
 far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
 for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
 some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
 'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
 the entire player must be replaced,' she said. 'We have heard from some
 conspiracy theorists that the batteries are made to die soon after the
 warranty ends.

 'Other complaints are that iTunes [Apple's online music store] is
 overpriced and the format is not easily transferred on to other players.
 In our ethnography interviews, some long-time iPod-users told us that they
 have stopped

RE: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-11 Thread André van Deventer
I must agree.  It sounds like some kind of a horror story ...

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Doc
Sent: 11 September 2006 01:24 AM
To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool 

how did you varify this information?
**

  I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it robert Doc Wright
http://www.wrightplaceinc.net msn [EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons of the Western world.

The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
simply have become too common to be cool.

On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
bin of history.

Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
an iPod with a mobile phone.

Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
the entire player must be replaced,' she said. 'We have heard from some
conspiracy theorists that the batteries are made to die soon after the
warranty ends.

'Other complaints are that iTunes [Apple's online music store] is
overpriced and the format is not easily transferred on to other players.
In our ethnography interviews, some long-time iPod-users told us that they
have stopped updating their iPods because it's too much work, while other
consumers who had bought iPods more recently had not even taken theirs out
of the package to set it up.'

She added that the iPod is in danger of becoming a victim of its own
success: 'Some backlash is against the ubiquity of the iPod - everyone has
those white headphones on the train.'

Analysts warn that the iPod has passed its peak. From its launch five
years ago its sales graph showed a consistent upward curve, culminating in
a period around last Christmas that saw a record 14 million sold. But
sales fell

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-11 Thread Dana S. Leslie
No more so than the well-documented cases of virtually enslaved textile 
workers in the *American* Marianas. If you don't know about/believe these 
latter, consult Google.
- Original Message - 
From: André van Deventer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: Why the iPod is losing its cool


I must agree.  It sounds like some kind of a horror story ...



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Doc
Sent: 11 September 2006 01:24 AM
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

how did you varify this information?
**

  I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it robert Doc Wright
http://www.wrightplaceinc.net msn [EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons of the Western world.

The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
simply have become too common to be cool.

On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
bin of history.

Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
an iPod with a mobile phone.

Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
the entire player must be replaced,' she said. 'We have heard from some
conspiracy theorists that the batteries are made to die soon after the
warranty ends.

'Other complaints are that iTunes [Apple's online music store] is
overpriced and the format is not easily transferred on to other players.
In our ethnography interviews, some long-time iPod-users told us that they
have stopped updating their iPods because it's too much work, while other
consumers who had bought iPods more recently had not even taken theirs out
of the package to set it up.'

She added that the iPod

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-11 Thread Kelly Pierce
People aren't paying $300 and $400 per textile unit at retail to a company 
that tells them they are sophisticated and smart for using this product. 
Another story says that Apple spends far more on advertising iPods than it 
does to pay the workers or the contract manufacturer that produce them. 
Apple uses essentially slave labor and then turns around and fires up a huge 
and expensive marketing machine to represent a far different world in which 
this machine exists.

Kelly




- Original Message - 
From: Dana S. Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


No more so than the well-documented cases of virtually enslaved textile
workers in the *American* Marianas. If you don't know about/believe these
latter, consult Google.
- Original Message - 
From: André van Deventer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: Why the iPod is losing its cool


I must agree.  It sounds like some kind of a horror story ...



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Doc
Sent: 11 September 2006 01:24 AM
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

how did you varify this information?
**

  I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it robert Doc Wright
http://www.wrightplaceinc.net msn [EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons of the Western world.

The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
simply have become too common to be cool.

On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
bin of history.

Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
an iPod with a mobile phone.

Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
some panellists,' said the organisation's

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-11 Thread Dana S. Leslie
BTW, I'm not saying this situation isn't an outrage; just that it is a FAR 
FROM UNIQUE outrage. PRECISELY the same sort of thing has been going on in 
the women's high-fashion industry, FOR DECADES.


- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


People aren't paying $300 and $400 per textile unit at retail to a company
that tells them they are sophisticated and smart for using this product.
Another story says that Apple spends far more on advertising iPods than it
does to pay the workers or the contract manufacturer that produce them.
Apple uses essentially slave labor and then turns around and fires up a huge
and expensive marketing machine to represent a far different world in which
this machine exists.

Kelly




- Original Message - 
From: Dana S. Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


No more so than the well-documented cases of virtually enslaved textile
workers in the *American* Marianas. If you don't know about/believe these
latter, consult Google.
- Original Message - 
From: André van Deventer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: Why the iPod is losing its cool


I must agree.  It sounds like some kind of a horror story ...



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Doc
Sent: 11 September 2006 01:24 AM
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

how did you varify this information?
**

  I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it robert Doc Wright
http://www.wrightplaceinc.net msn [EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons of the Western world.

The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
simply have become too common to be cool.

On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
bin of history.

Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
an iPod with a mobile phone.

Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-11 Thread Dana S. Leslie
No? I suggest you research the subject. Plenty of American women pay far 
more than $300/$400 per dress/suit, because they are told they are 
sophisticated/elegant for doing so -- garments that are manufactured by 
virtually enslaved workers, in the Northern. CHECK IT OUT!
- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


People aren't paying $300 and $400 per textile unit at retail to a company
that tells them they are sophisticated and smart for using this product.
Another story says that Apple spends far more on advertising iPods than it
does to pay the workers or the contract manufacturer that produce them.
Apple uses essentially slave labor and then turns around and fires up a huge
and expensive marketing machine to represent a far different world in which
this machine exists.

Kelly




- Original Message - 
From: Dana S. Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


No more so than the well-documented cases of virtually enslaved textile
workers in the *American* Marianas. If you don't know about/believe these
latter, consult Google.
- Original Message - 
From: André van Deventer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: Why the iPod is losing its cool


I must agree.  It sounds like some kind of a horror story ...



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Doc
Sent: 11 September 2006 01:24 AM
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

how did you varify this information?
**

  I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it robert Doc Wright
http://www.wrightplaceinc.net msn [EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons of the Western world.

The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
simply have become too common to be cool.

On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
bin of history.

Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
an iPod with a mobile phone.

Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-11 Thread Kelly Pierce
And who is responsible for that?  the Washington Post in an article on new 
year's eve says the tag team of Republican Congressman Tom Delay and 
Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff
 bought off local elected officials and blocked efforts in congress to 
investigate the matter or impose tougher labor standards and human rights 
enforcement.  The republican party has also stood in the way.  The 
Republican Chairman of the House resource committee has blocked hearings and 
investigations on the Mariana situation requested by Congressman George 
Miller of California.  the excerpt and link to the story is below.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/30/AR2005123001480_pf.html

In addition to the million-dollar payment involving the London law firm, for 
example, half a million dollars was donated to the U.S. Family Network by 
the
owners of textile companies in the Mariana Islands in the Pacific, according 
to the tax records. The textile owners -- with Abramoff's help -- solicited
and received DeLay's public commitment to block legislation that would boost 
their labor costs, according to Abramoff associates, one of the owners and
a DeLay speech in 1997.





- Original Message - 
From: Dana S. Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


No? I suggest you research the subject. Plenty of American women pay far
more than $300/$400 per dress/suit, because they are told they are
sophisticated/elegant for doing so -- garments that are manufactured by
virtually enslaved workers, in the Northern. CHECK IT OUT!
- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


People aren't paying $300 and $400 per textile unit at retail to a company
that tells them they are sophisticated and smart for using this product.
Another story says that Apple spends far more on advertising iPods than it
does to pay the workers or the contract manufacturer that produce them.
Apple uses essentially slave labor and then turns around and fires up a huge
and expensive marketing machine to represent a far different world in which
this machine exists.

Kelly




- Original Message - 
From: Dana S. Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


No more so than the well-documented cases of virtually enslaved textile
workers in the *American* Marianas. If you don't know about/believe these
latter, consult Google.
- Original Message - 
From: André van Deventer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: Why the iPod is losing its cool


I must agree.  It sounds like some kind of a horror story ...



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Doc
Sent: 11 September 2006 01:24 AM
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

how did you varify this information?
**

  I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it robert Doc Wright
http://www.wrightplaceinc.net msn [EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-11 Thread Tom
Please try to post messages to the PC Audio list without 
getting political. I think it's important for us to 
understand the working conditions where electronics products 
are manufactured so we can make purchasing decisions 
accordingly, but politicians in both parties in the United 
States get greedy when it comes to dollar signs.
Thank you,

Tom

** Original Message **
And who is responsible for that?  the Washington Post in an 
article on new year's eve says the tag team of Republican 
Congressman Tom Delay and Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff  
bought off local elected officials and blocked efforts in 
congress to investigate the matter or impose tougher labor 
standards and human rights enforcement.  The republican party 
has also stood in the way.  The Republican Chairman of the 
House resource committee has blocked hearings and 
investigations on the Mariana situation requested by 
Congressman George Miller of California.


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Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-10 Thread Nick G
Death to the IPod, thank you very much...That's one device I really hate, 
and the thing about using chinese workers in those conditions...well...May 
explain, for instance, why IPod Nanos break in half.
- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons of the Western world.

The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
simply have become too common to be cool.

On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
bin of history.

Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
an iPod with a mobile phone.

Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
the entire player must be replaced,' she said. 'We have heard from some
conspiracy theorists that the batteries are made to die soon after the
warranty ends.

'Other complaints are that iTunes [Apple's online music store] is
overpriced and the format is not easily transferred on to other players.
In our ethnography interviews, some long-time iPod-users told us that they
have stopped updating their iPods because it's too much work, while other
consumers who had bought iPods more recently had not even taken theirs out
of the package to set it up.'

She added that the iPod is in danger of becoming a victim of its own
success: 'Some backlash is against the ubiquity of the iPod - everyone has
those white headphones on the train.'

Analysts warn that the iPod has passed its peak. From its launch five
years ago its sales graph showed a consistent upward curve, culminating in
a period around last Christmas that saw a record 14 million sold. But
sales fell to 8.5 million in the following quarter, and down to 8.1
million in the most recent three-month period. Wall Street is reportedly
starting to worry that the bubble will burst.

Tomi Ahonen, a technology brand expert and author, said: 'For the
first time the iPod has

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-10 Thread John Moore
Do they really? I had no idea they broke. What a crappy device. And
the way they treat those workers is wrong. I gave up on trying to use
IPod Shuffle and now just use a satellite radio.

On 9/10/06, Nick G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Death to the IPod, thank you very much...That's one device I really hate,
 and the thing about using chinese workers in those conditions...well...May
 explain, for instance, why IPod Nanos break in half.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:09 PM
 Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


 The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
 weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
 people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
 health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
 workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
 a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
 they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
 still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
 of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
 overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
 How cool is that?

 Kelly





 The Observer [UK]

 Sunday September 10, 2006


 Why the iPod is losing its cool

 Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
 to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
 common to be cutting edge

 David Smith, technology correspondent



 The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
 search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
 gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
 live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
 of the consumer icons of the Western world.

 The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
 Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
 Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
 'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
 disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
 simply have become too common to be cool.

 On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
 Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
 fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
 bin of history.

 Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
 yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
 devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
 capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
 half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
 industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
 a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
 an iPod with a mobile phone.

 Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
 cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
 equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
 actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
 to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
 forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
 25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
 far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
 for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
 some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
 'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
 the entire player must be replaced,' she said. 'We have heard from some
 conspiracy theorists that the batteries are made to die soon after the
 warranty ends.

 'Other complaints are that iTunes [Apple's online music store] is
 overpriced and the format is not easily transferred on to other players.
 In our ethnography interviews, some long-time iPod-users told us that they
 have stopped updating their iPods because it's too much work, while other
 consumers who had bought iPods more recently had not even taken theirs out
 of the package to set it up.'

 She added that the iPod is in danger of becoming a victim of its own
 success: 'Some backlash is against the ubiquity of the iPod - everyone has
 those white headphones on the train.'

 Analysts warn that the iPod has passed its peak. From its launch five
 years ago its sales graph showed a consistent upward curve, culminating in
 a period around last Christmas that saw

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-10 Thread tj
with regard to that, that article is horidly out of date, that information 
came out last spring, and apple since  investigated and inforced better 
working condissions oin the factory, which is  one thing i must give them 
credit for, as apple has been  notably proactive on employee rights. A 50 
hour work week  maximum  has been inforced with a requirement of 2 days off 
a week, (10 hour days) with breaks. I'm no supporter of the ipod, but i feel 
its important to give credit where its due when it comes to these issues.

tj
- Original Message - 
From: Nick G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool


Death to the IPod, thank you very much...That's one device I really hate,
and the thing about using chinese workers in those conditions...well...May
explain, for instance, why IPod Nanos break in half.
- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons of the Western world.

The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
simply have become too common to be cool.

On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
bin of history.

Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
an iPod with a mobile phone.

Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
the entire player must be replaced,' she said. 'We have heard from some
conspiracy theorists that the batteries are made to die soon after the
warranty ends.

'Other complaints are that iTunes [Apple's online music store] is
overpriced and the format is not easily transferred on to other players.
In our ethnography interviews, some long-time iPod-users told us that they
have stopped updating their iPods because it's too much work, while other
consumers who had bought iPods more recently had not even

Re: Why the iPod is losing its cool

2006-09-10 Thread Doc
how did you varify this information?
**

  I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it
robert Doc Wright
http://www.wrightplaceinc.net
msn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Why the iPod is losing its cool


The iPod lost its cool for me when I read the Sunday Mirror expose a few
weeks ago.  The story told of a place it called Ipod city where 200,000
people work and live with factories, dormitories, restaurants, grocers, and
health clinics.  It even has its own transit system.  The article said
workers for Apple assemble iPods by hand standing up at tables for 14 hours
a day.  They are paid much less then other factory workers in China.  If
they try to stretch their arms or legs after many hours of standing nearly
still, Apple's minders force them to do push ups and humiliate them in front
of other workers.  The offending worker is then slapped with mandatory
overtime, toiling until they virtually collapse from exhaustion and stress.
How cool is that?

Kelly





The Observer [UK]

Sunday September 10, 2006


Why the iPod is losing its cool

Apple has added ever more extras to its digital music-player in a bid
to stem falling sales. But fears are rising that the device is now too
common to be cutting edge

David Smith, technology correspondent



The Mermaid, Puddle Dock, is not the first place you might go in
search of the cool and cutting edge. That will not stop an expectant crowd
gathering at the conference centre in London's Blackfriars this week for a
live satellite broadcast from San Francisco that could make or break one
of the consumer icons of the Western world.

The iPod, the digital music player beloved of everyone from Coldplay's
Chris Martin to President George Bush, is in danger of losing its sheen.
Sales are declining at an unprecedented rate. Industry experts talk of a
'backlash' and of the iPod 'wilting away before our eyes'. Most
disastrously, Apple's signature pocket device with white earphones may
simply have become too common to be cool.

On Tuesday the eyes of iPod-lovers the world over will be on Steve
Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, when he seeks to allay
fears that it could follow Sony's tape-playing Walkman into the recycling
bin of history.

Jobs is widely expected to announce the most ambitious iPod service
yet - the sale of feature-length films via the internet for viewing on the
devices, which may receive an expanded 'widescreen' and improved storage
capacity. If downloading movies from a computer to an iPod proves even
half as revolutionary as it did for music, the multibillion-pound DVD
industry could be quaking. There are rumours that Jobs will also announce
a long expected 'iPhone', combining the music function and sleek style of
an iPod with a mobile phone.

Industry-watchers warn that the iPod could soon be regarded by teenage
cynics as their 'parents' player' because a mass-market product rarely
equates with edgy fashionability. Although it has sold nearly 60 million
actual iPods and a billion downloaded songs worldwide, cracks have begun
to appear in the edifice. The Zandl Group, a New York-based trends
forecaster which regularly interviews a panel of 3,000 consumers aged
25-35, recently picked up its first significant criticisms. 'The iPod is
far and away the most popular tech gadget with our panellists - however,
for the first time we are hearing negative feedback about the iPod from
some panellists,' said the organisation's spokeswoman, Carla Avruch.
'Panellists cite that the batteries are not replaceable, so when they die
the entire player must be replaced,' she said. 'We have heard from some
conspiracy theorists that the batteries are made to die soon after the
warranty ends.

'Other complaints are that iTunes [Apple's online music store] is
overpriced and the format is not easily transferred on to other players.
In our ethnography interviews, some long-time iPod-users told us that they
have stopped updating their iPods because it's too much work, while other
consumers who had bought iPods more recently had not even taken theirs out
of the package to set it up.'

She added that the iPod is in danger of becoming a victim of its own
success: 'Some backlash is against the ubiquity of the iPod - everyone has
those white headphones on the train.'

Analysts warn that the iPod has passed its peak. From its launch five
years ago its sales graph showed a consistent upward curve, culminating in
a period around last Christmas that saw a record 14 million sold. But
sales fell to 8.5 million in the following quarter, and down to 8.1
million in the most recent three-month period. Wall Street is reportedly
starting to worry that the bubble will burst.

Tomi Ahonen, a technology brand expert and author, said: 'For the
first time the iPod has had