Re: online audio

2016-08-23 Thread Dane Trethowan

Ah now that's a good question and that's something I've not tackled before.

The advantage for me of having music in my Dropbox is that its also on 
the computer as well as in the cloud so I have it no matter where I want 
it and no special music folders are required on my computers, just Dropbox.


I do recall seeing in the Dropbox preferences somewhere where one could 
control what was synced and what wasn't so perhaps you might like to 
look there.




On 24/08/2016 4:32 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote:

Hello

how do you upload your music to dropbox with out having it download to 
your computer


I also agree I haven't used itunes in about 2 months.
not only that but it is really klunky on windows.
thanks
Hank

On 8/23/2016 8:51 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Your’e hit on the main reason why I’m happy not to use an iPhone for 
mainstream music listening these days.

I’m doing some reflection on the Windows PC side of things as I write.
About a month or so ago I did a clean installation of Windows 10 onto 
the Desktop machine and what do you know, I’ve not felt compelled to 
install iTunes onto that machine since, I have all my music in 
different places, on NAS storage and in my Dropbox for example and 
all my favourite players - whether they be Portable music players, 
Hi-Fi gadgets, Radios or computers - have access to it so no need for 
iTunes unless I want to put the music onto an iPhone which I don’t 
because its already in the Cloud and will be streamed to the iPhone 
should I choose to play music with it using the built-in Apple Music 
App which I don’t given the App has become so complex lately.
I’m also different in that I’m one of those who don’t like sitting in 
front of their computer listening to music or whatever unless I 
really have no option but to do so, I think I live by the old slogan 
my old Squeezebox Boom used to display when it was booting up, “Set 
your music free!”.



On 24 Aug 2016, at 1:32 AM, John Gurd  wrote:

Hi Andy
You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the 
equipment I want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play 
music from the built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as 
NatureSpace which has really nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of 
Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate well - deliberately so 
in order to force you to stay with one company. And what a carry-on 
it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for 
HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in 
called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you 
will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like 
you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not 
copy. And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as 
Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not certified for 
HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the 
jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations.


John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't 
going to happen is it?


Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV 
units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and 
it's only people like us who may know a little about these things 
that gain the benefits.


One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology 
, be able to play audio from any device through your home system, 
without even thinking about it.


I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all 
these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more 
complicated.


Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound 
and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen 
to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!





- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" 
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked 
to are an

exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so 
instead
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus 
the PC.


Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 
sound cards
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an 
amplifier and
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on 
internet

radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main
machine which sometimes happened. A

Re: online audio

2016-08-23 Thread Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona

Hello

how do you upload your music to dropbox with out having it download to 
your computer


I also agree I haven't used itunes in about 2 months.
not only that but it is really klunky on windows.
thanks
Hank

On 8/23/2016 8:51 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Your’e hit on the main reason why I’m happy not to use an iPhone for mainstream 
music listening these days.
I’m doing some reflection on the Windows PC side of things as I write.
About a month or so ago I did a clean installation of Windows 10 onto the 
Desktop machine and what do you know, I’ve not felt compelled to install iTunes 
onto that machine since, I have all my music in different places, on NAS 
storage and in my Dropbox for example and all my favourite players - whether 
they be Portable music players, Hi-Fi gadgets, Radios or computers - have 
access to it so no need for iTunes unless I want to put the music onto an 
iPhone which I don’t because its already in the Cloud and will be streamed to 
the iPhone should I choose to play music with it using the built-in Apple Music 
App which I don’t given the App has become so complex lately.
I’m also different in that I’m one of those who don’t like sitting in front of 
their computer listening to music or whatever unless I really have no option 
but to do so, I think I live by the old slogan my old Squeezebox Boom used to 
display when it was booting up, “Set your music free!”.


On 24 Aug 2016, at 1:32 AM, John Gurd  wrote:

Hi Andy
You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I want 
without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the built-in 
iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really nice 
nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate 
well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one company. And what 
a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for 
HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in called 
High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you will find will 
stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can listen, but you 
certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because of that, it refuses 
to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not 
certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for 
the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to 
happen is it?

Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or 
amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people 
like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits.

One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be able 
to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking 
about it.

I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.

Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it 
and post it again without any effort whatsoever!




- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" 
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an
exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.

Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main
machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then
getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified
5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use
a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless
headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other
rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and
age but as they're quite elderly I want something better.

I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in m

online audio

2016-08-23 Thread Dane Trethowan
Your’e hit on the main reason why I’m happy not to use an iPhone for mainstream 
music listening these days.
I’m doing some reflection on the Windows PC side of things as I write.
About a month or so ago I did a clean installation of Windows 10 onto the 
Desktop machine and what do you know, I’ve not felt compelled to install iTunes 
onto that machine since, I have all my music in different places, on NAS 
storage and in my Dropbox for example and all my favourite players - whether 
they be Portable music players, Hi-Fi gadgets, Radios or computers - have 
access to it so no need for iTunes unless I want to put the music onto an 
iPhone which I don’t because its already in the Cloud and will be streamed to 
the iPhone should I choose to play music with it using the built-in Apple Music 
App which I don’t given the App has become so complex lately.
I’m also different in that I’m one of those who don’t like sitting in front of 
their computer listening to music or whatever unless I really have no option 
but to do so, I think I live by the old slogan my old Squeezebox Boom used to 
display when it was booting up, “Set your music free!”.

> On 24 Aug 2016, at 1:32 AM, John Gurd  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andy 
> You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I 
> want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the 
> built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really 
> nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't 
> integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one 
> company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC 
> these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing 
> built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you 
> will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can 
> listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because 
> of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you 
> are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot 
> simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
> Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
> 
> Hi again John.
> 
> God, it's getting even more complicated eh?
> 
> I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to 
> happen is it?
> 
> Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or 
> amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people 
> like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits.
> 
> One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be able 
> to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking 
> about it.
> 
> I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
> threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.
> 
> Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
> could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit 
> it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Gurd" 
> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
> Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop 
> speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an 
> exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.
> 
> My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead 
> I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.
> 
> Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards 
> each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and 
> stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet 
> radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main 
> machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then 
> getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 
> 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use 
> a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless 
> headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other 
> rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and 
> age but as they're quite elderly I want something better.
> 
> I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC 
> den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or 
> receive