Re: [Pce] IPR Check on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth

2019-01-18 Thread Ravi Singh
Hi Julien
I was away from my email in Dec.

> A reply is required from each of you before we can proceed with publication
> request.

" Apart from disclosure #2996, I am not aware of any other IPR that applies to 
this draft"

Regards
Ravi

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> Dear authors of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth,
> 
> Could you please send an email to the PCE mailing list saying whether you
> are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-
> bandwidth beyond the one with the ID 2996. If so, please indicate if it has
> been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules. (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
> and 5378 for more details.) If you are not aware of other IPR that applies,
> please reply saying "Appart from disclosure #2996, I am not aware of any
> other IPR that applies to this draft".
> 
> A reply is required from each of you before we can proceed with publication
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> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Julien
> 
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Re: [Pce] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-01-18 Thread Jonathan Hardwick
Hi Alvaro

I'm sorry that it has taken longer than I thought to reply to your comments!  
Please find our replies below.  I will post an updated version of the document 
as soon as I can.

Many thanks
Jon



--
DISCUSS:
--

I am balloting DISCUSS because I think that there are some technical and 
clarity issues that makes understanding, and potentially implementing this 
document hard.  I also want to discuss the "backwards compatibility" and the 
use of TLVs as sub-TLVs in PCEP as introduced in this document.

(1) MSD Definition.  The MSD may be learned from a variety of sources, 
including the SR-PCE-CAPABILITY sub-TLV defined in this document.  It is 
important then for the MSD to be defined consistently everywhere.  Please use 
the BMI-MSD definition from rfc8491.

[Jon] Happy to change this.  This draft actually pre-dates RFC 8491, but now 
the definition has moved there, we can point to it.


(2) Ability to signal the MSD per link, not just per node.  Clearly the 
calculation of paths through specific links (using an Adjacency SID, for
example) would require that information (if different/lower from what the node 
may support).

Note that §6.1 seems to assume that the MSD will normally be advertised through 
different mechanisms, and it uses that to work around the fact that there's no 
link-specific information: "Furthermore, whenever a PCE learns the MSD for a 
link via different means, it MUST use that value for that link regardless of 
the MSD value exchanged in the SR-PCE-CAPABILITY sub-TLV."  However, the text 
doesn't mandate the IGP/BGP-LS information to be available to the PCE.  IOW, as 
written, the specification can't guarantee the proper calculation of paths that 
require the PCE to consider link MSDs.

[Jon] In many deployments we anticipate that link MSDs are homogeneous.  In 
those cases, link state routing might not distribute per-link MSDs (e.g. 
routers might not even support RFC 8491).  In such cases, the per-node MSD on 
the PCEP session is sufficient.  All the draft says is that MSD information 
available from link state routing, if any, must take priority over that defined 
on the PCEP session.  I don't see a problem with that.


(3) Extensibility to advertise other MSD-Types. [This point is not 
DISCUSS-worthy, but I'm including it here since I'm already talking about the 
MSD.]

rfc8491 (aka I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd) and 
I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd encode the MSD advertisement as a pair:
MSD-Type and MSD-Value, with the expectation that "new MSD-Types will be 
defined to signal additional capabilities, e.g., entropy labels, SIDs that can 
be imposed through recirculation, or SIDs associated with another data plane 
such as IPv6."  IOW, the encoding is reusable with other dataplanes.  I peeked 
into draft-negi-pce-segment-routing-ipv6 [*] and i don't see anything in there 
that couldn't be signaled using the SR-PCE-CAPABILITY sub-TLV defined here (+ 
the MSD_Value).  I think this is important for consistency.

[*] I realize that draft-negi-pce-segment-routing-ipv6 is not even a WG 
document, but it is the only potential reference I found to what a different 
dataplane might look line. 

[Jon] This document (and the SR-PCE-CAPABILITY) is scoped to MPLS only.  I 
believe that draft-negi defines its own SRV6-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV and I don't see 
any reference to MSD in it, but if a new MSD type is needed for other dataplane 
types, I think it's expected that a new SR capability TLV will be defined to 
convey it.  I don't expect to generalize the SR-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV.

Note that the MSD in the SR-PCE-CAPABILITY is a BMI-MSD. Although RFC 8491 
defines a generic MSD container, the MSD in this document is specifically a 
BMI-MSD.


(4) §6.2.2 (Interpreting the SR-ERO):

  o  If the subobjects contain NAI only, then the PCC first converts
 each NAI into a SID index value by looking it up in its local
 database, and then proceeds as above.

I believe that this step in the interpretation of the SR-ERO is not properly 
specified.

Which "local database" are you referring to?  §6.2.2.1 mentions the SR-DB (when 
talking about errors)...but the specification should be clear about which 
database and what the specific procedure is.

[Jon] You are right, this should be more explicit.  How about this.

NEW
  If the subobjects contain NAI only, the PCC first converts
  each NAI into a SID index value and then proceeds as above.
  To convert an NAI to a SID index, the PCC looks for a fully-specified
  prefix or adjacency matching the fields in the NAI.  If the PCC finds
  a matching prefix/adjacency, and the matching prefix/adjacency has a SID 
associated
  with it, then the PCC uses that SID.  If the PCC cannot find a
  matching prefix/adjacency, or if the matching prefix/adjacency has no SID 
associated
  with it, the PCC behaves as