Re: [Pce] WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir

[Weiqiang Cheng]

I've read the latest version of this document.
The draft is valuable and I support the adoption of this document.

B.R.
Weiqiang Cheng 

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发件人: Pce [mailto:pce-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Dhruv Dhody
发送时间: 2020年10月6日 01:17
收件人: pce@ietf.org
抄送: draft-ietf-pce-association-bi...@ietf.org; pce-chairs
主题: [Pce] WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir

Hi WG,

This email starts a working group last call for
draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir [1].  Please indicate your support or
concern for this draft. If you are opposed to the progression of the
draft to RFC, please articulate your concern. If you support it,
please indicate that you have read the latest version and it is ready
for publication in your opinion. As always, review comments and nits
are most welcome. A general reminder to the WG to be more vocal during
the LC and adoption calls.

The WG LC will end on 20th October 2020.

Thanks,
Dhruv & Julien
[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir/

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[Pce] PCE Controller & SDN Controller & Netconf/Yang NMS Controller - lines blurred and can the names be used ubiquitously meaning the same

[Gyan Mishra]

Dear TEAS, PCE, IDR, LSR, BESS, BIER  Spring Working Groups,

I have noticed that after reviewing many drafts across many WGs it seems in
the industry that the lines seem to be blurred between a PCE controller,
ODL or Openflow SDN Controller and a Netconf/Yang NMS Controller ZTP & Day
X provisioning.

As this is a software sitting on a server you can have a swiss army knife
server that does everything from PCE path computation to  Netconf/Yang ZTP
& Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL or Openflow
controller type functions as well.

How this comes into play and realization of the lines being blurred is the
use of BGP-LS in building the IGP topological graph of the network which
was designed for PCEP and PCE & PCC active & passive off line path
computation for both RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation.

However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now such as usage
as I am a Shepherd reviewing a draft for BGP-LS usage for BIER to use
BGP-LS to gather the elements internals within BIER using the same BGP-LS
data structures to populate with BIER specific information to graph the
BIER topology.  So here we are not doing any path computations as we are
using in this use case  for NMS type function to gather data for ZTP & Day
N provisioning.

Similarly other use cases such as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being
able to provision TS and capturing the TS Enhanced VPN RT & resource
information and leveraging BGP-LS to do the same data gathering & ZTP like
controller style provisioning.

It does seem as though BGP-LS as its a means of "data gathering" "dump
truck" of anything with the kitchen sink included to build any type of
topological graph of literally anything under the sun.  I see that is a
nice to leverage but it does in fact blur the lines of NMS Netconf/Yang
Controller based functionality and  PCE path computation functionality and
SDN controller based ZTP functionality into a single ubiquitous server that
can do all of the above and use BGP-LS to accomplish the "kitchen sink"
tasks.  It does however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a "tool" and
not just the original function which it was intended NLRI network
reachability.

Am I off base and please let me know as its BGP-LS is being way over
leveraged.  There are pros & cons to everything but I thought I would bring
up to the WG as an important discussion point.

Lots of food for thought.  Welcome all comments as well as concerns related
to this topic.

Kind Regards,



*Gyan Mishra*

*Network Solutions A**rchitect *



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